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Raising the issue in the Lok Sabha, the Leader of the Opposition, Sushma Swaraj, laid stress on the need for rising above party lines and sending an unequivocal message that people from the North-East had the freedom to live, work and study wherever they wished to in the country. Presided over by Sonia Gandhi, the Congress core committee also discussed the matter. Sources said the party suspected the involvement of right-wing outfits such as the RSS, VHP and Bajrang Dal in spreading the rumours.

The sources revealed that preliminary IB reports had pointed to the role of some of these outfits as well as a few Jehadi ones trying to fish in troubled waters
Hindutva outfits are behind the exodus of North-East people, Racist-mail sorry Daily mail have found out from president of secular party.

These Hindutva outfits are the reason behind London riots too?
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Indignant over Assam, well-heeled Indians won’t see the bigger picture

Article lacks focus but it does have the right messages in some places.
He avoids the trouble from Mumbai and UP though.
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RSS was behind Hitler, Sadam, Mumbai Bomb blasts, Gijarat Riots, Gadafi regime, Partition of India ( Jinaah was an RSS agent), Mao attack on India.

You see as in Malegoan Blasts, it was RSS agents who paid all these perpatrators to commit all these acts :lol:
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A paki forum that many shameless Indians throng to was also behind the spread of those morphed Burma images. MHA took note of it and is blocking the site. The pakis have deleted the thread but it is still there in google cache. An interested party saved all those pages for posterity to make this paki site and its fake indian site permanently banned form India.
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In Bengaluru looks like the police really meant business this time. As I see it no untoward incident reported any where on Id Day. Looks like the police was watching each and every procession taken out. Poor folks (the cops) had all their leaves cancelled, if my chai-wallah heard it right.
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James B wrote:A paki forum that many shameless Indians throng to was also behind the spread of those morphed Burma images. MHA took note of it and is blocking the site. The pakis have deleted the thread but it is still there in google cache. An interested party saved all those pages for posterity to make this paki site and its fake indian site permanently banned form India.
Yeah the entire thread was pulled from Google cache and made available here as PDF files http://dl.dropbox.com/u/93747314/Fake%2 ... 0Burma.zip

Caution : Extremely graphic images are shown.
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They also showed Paksitani Hyderabad's Independence days pics, as Indian muslims celebrating Pak Independence day in Indian Hyderabad.
Now many of the puki forums are either not accessible from India or are in the process of becoming so.
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Muslim organizations issue utltimatum to Bodos
The leading Muslim leaders of southern Assam has taken serious note of an inflammatory appeal and quit notice issued to Bodos living in Barrak Valley by All-Assam Imam Parishad (AAIP) and Muslim Youth Students Association.

The AAIP executive body, which came to know about the threat, in an emergency meeting on Sunday expelled its president Abdul Basit who issued the “ultimatum” to the Bodos living in Barak Valley districts to “leave the valley within August 25 or face consequences”.

AAIP Karimganj district committee president Moulana Abdul Warish said that the ultimatum issued by the working president of the organisation Abdul Basit against the Bodos was not that of AAIP. The issue was never discussed in the executive committee of AAIP and no one authorised the functionary to talk to the media on the subject. Therefore, Mr Basit has been expelled from the organisation, he said.

An FIR has also been registered against Mr Basit.
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Aditya Sinha | Agency: DNA | Sunday, August 19, 2012

My father-in-law was extremely annoyed by the election of President Pranab Mukherjee because as the proprietor of the Assam Tribune (my wife’s grandfather, RG Baruah, the paper’s founder, is considered one of the builders of modern Assam) he supported the Assam agitation in the early 1980s. President-da was at that time Union finance minister, but more importantly he was hatchet-man to then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. When the late Mrs Gandhi asked him what the matter in Assam was, hatchet-man replied that it was an anti-Bengali agitation — not an anti-Bangladeshi one — and that became the Congress party’s template for the “Assam problem”. Hatchet-man tried to get my father-in-law to “come to the mainstream”, as he put it; but even a conservative paper like Assam Tribune was not going to go against the popular mood despite innumerable personal entreaties by the then Chief Minister Hiteshwar Saikia (in whose house Prime Minister Manmohan Singh dubiously claims residence and thereby current membership in the Rajya Sabha, technically if not morally fulfilling the criterion of the PM having to be from Parliament). So hatchet-man directed the chairman of a bank that handled the paper’s day-to-day financial dealings to cripple the paper; he also launched tax cases against my father-in-law (none of this hatchet-baazi worked). Now my father-in-law is irritated because the paper’s 75th anniversary is coming up, and as during the golden jubilee he had wanted to invite the President to the celebration. At 80 he’s too old to hold his nose and invite this one.

The agitation invaded “mainstream” Indian consciousness with the 1983 Nellie massacre, in which nearly two thousand Bangladeshi Muslims were killed by members of a plains tribe. After Partition, such a large-scale massacre was unheard of; but soon after marriage my wife matter-of-factly told me that the Northeast tribes were ruthlessly violent, especially the Bodos and the Nagas. It seemed paradoxical, as the Northeast is one of the most beautiful places on Earth, filled with the most beautiful women on Earth. Yet it was one of the most violent places in India though it didn’t grab headlines in the way that Punjab and J&K did, because of the “tyranny of distance”, as a TV anchor has put it, between New Delhi and Assam). In 1990, for instance, as a Union home ministry correspondent I visited a mass grave of ULFA victims unearthed in the dense Lakhipathar forest near Digboi. It was a stench that buries itself in one’s memory. The next year when I visited Guwahati, my father-in-law refused to let me out of the house as ULFA had kidnapped a Russian mining engineer; his beheaded body was found in the Brahmaputra. It was proof of the notion that beauty and violence are sometimes inextricably interlinked.

The Bodos were then also violently agitating for political separation. Ironically shadowy government outfits had trained many Bodos in guerilla warfare, in response to the 1962 Chinese invasion. It was often alleged that the Bodos were used by Rajiv Gandhi’s government to destabilise the AGP government in Assam, the first government led by former student agitators. The Bodos got their political autonomy but that hasn’t helped much economically; the entire Northeast is still mostly in economic doldrums even though the PM of the last nine years is supposed to represent it. Thus, the recent past has seen lots of signs of Bodos looking for political consolidation, and many feel that the Bodo violence is aimed at driving Bangladeshis out of Bodoland into Dhubri, a border district, as part of this consolidation.

On Thursday morning, the young Bodo lady who stays with us in Mumbai, along with two large groups of fellow Bodos affiliated with her Byculla church, abruptly packed and left for Assam. She told my wife that the village elders had summoned them back, saying that after Eid “juddho hobo” (war is coming). The Bodos in Mumbai already had the scare of their lives with an unnecessarily violent demonstration at Azad Maidan last week (the Christian Bodos were attending services at the time and were too scared to disperse back to their homes; my wife was doubly worried because our son had to stay inside Xavier’s College till the rampage was over). You can expect that some of that fear that they faced in different cities at the hands of some hotheads is going to be channelised into a tragedy.

It’s no secret that a storm is brewing, so what is the government going to do? It is already rumoured that the faction in the Assam Congress is exploiting the violence to try and dislodge Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi. The CM at the very least should have publicly dismissed rumours and soothed his citizens. The nation’s home minister, Sushilkumar Shinde, seems blasé; my political correspondents in Mumbai say that’s because he’s hanging around only for six months or so, waiting to perhaps switch jobs with Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan. When the man who gave his party the wrong political template and let Assam burn is now enjoying a cushy sinecure in grand Rashtrapati Bhawan then what do you expect from the other political pygmies? And as my father-in-law asks, what is the alternative?

—The writer is the Editor-in-Chief, DNA, based in Mumbai

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Two posts from NewsInsight.net

http://www.newsinsight.net/archivedebat ... recno=2335
Do or die
Islamists threaten the Indian state as never before, says N.V.Subramanian.

17 August 2012: The fleeing of north-easterners from southern and western cities exposes India's vulnerabilities in the manner that the November 2008 Pakistani terror attack on Bombay did. If one was a frontal assault on the Indian state, the other takes the nature of a psychological war. And both have threatened the nation's unity and integrity in unprecedented ways. The prime minister did not speak a day sooner when he gave voice to similar apprehension in the face of the forced exodus of people of the North East from Bangalore and elsewhere.

By any measure, the 2008 Bombay attack was audacious. But it fell in the pattern of Pakistan's incremental jihad against India since it provoked the Kargil limited war under a nuclear overhang. The attack on the XV corps headquarters in Srinagar, the Kandahar hijack, the Parliament attack of December 2001, and terror strikes in Bombay, Delhi and elsewhere were high points of that incremental jihadi campaign. Pakistan was testing the threshold of India's tolerance before it went for war.

With the Parliament attack, Pakistan seemed almost to have lost it. But the impotence of Operation Parakram and Pakistan's growing daring on account of its deterrent propelled it to take greater risks with India, the Bombay carnage of 2008 capping its effort. A terrorist organization cannot launch an amphibious assault on the first city of a major military power without state support, and the Bombay attack couldn't have happened without the involvement of Pakistan's army, navy and ISI. The military footprint is all over the attack architecture, tactic and hold-out strategy.

Even so, the 2008 attack was a frontal aggression. It was meant to shock and awe India. India is too well-knit to crumble under such attack, but its point was served by targeting the economic hub of the country, and in no other place than the costliest real estate territory in all the nation. To that extent, the attack succeeded. And since the attack extended to prized hotels of South Bombay, with Westerners being chosen as targets in addition to Indians, it was clear what Pakistan was aiming at: to hurt India's growth with terror attacks.

Now cut to the post-Assam violence first in Bombay and then taking the dimension of a psyche war against north-easterners living and working outside their home states. To start with, the Assam violence has roots in illegal Bangladeshi Muslim migrations which have been encouraged by the votebank politics of Congress. The Assam violence provided a handle to radicals to organize more violence in Bombay (where an unprepared, outnumbered police force was put to bloody flight), with the alleged violence against Muslims in Burma lending more ammunition. After this came the psychological war against north-easterners, whose panic reaction has advertized a key strategic weakness of India for enemy use.

The employment of multi-media to provoke the Bombay violence was cleverly refashioned to terrify north-easterners. The same mind is revealed in both savageries, although the faces and methodologies may be different. Already, some of the doctored footage to provoke Muslim violence has been traced to Pakistan, but more substantial evidence of a Pakistani role in Bombay's violence and the subsequent psyche war against north-easterners will be revealed, provided Indian investigators look for it.

To be sure, there are fault-lines being exploited by enemies within and outside. North-easterners have never been made to feel at home outside of their states. In a dramatic way, Mary Kom has changed that. She is beginning to enjoy cult status within the country. The outpouring of sympathy for the fleeing north-easterners will, once the present trauma is overcome, go a long way to heal old wounds.

But at the same time, India's vulnerability with respect to its multi-cultural, multi-lingual population has been exposed. To the enemy, the arranged repetition of what has happened in the past two days would be a prelude to war. If Pakistan-inspired jihadis have managed the present turmoil, it wouldn't come as a better gift to China, which has already conceived of a civil-war situation in India ahead of formal hostilities.

In sum, it would be perilous to underplay the post-Assam violence in Bombay and the coercion of north-easterners. If Bangladeshi Muslims are indeed behind the Bombay violence, they should be swiftly deported. Multi-media traffic must be monitored for psychological war against the Indian state. Because it has succeeded once, it will be repeated. Psyche-warriors in such cases must be exemplarily punished. Whilst working with Muslim communities and particularly elders (and especially mothers) to ensure an end to such happenings, the Indian state must also come down with an iron hand on Pakistan-inspired jihadis.

http://www.newsinsight.net/archivedebat ... recno=2336
Pakistan's frenemies
There's nothing like "good" and "bad" terrorists, says N.V.Subramanian.

20 August 2012: In answer to India's allegations, Pakistan says it is itself a victim of terrorism. Accepting this plea of the (former) Pakistani military president, Parvez Musharraf, prime minister Manmohan Singh tried to make peace with Pakistan. His efforts were unfruitful.

Is Pakistan so much a victim of terrorism that it cannot be blamed for terror attacks against India? Is terrorism against India autonomously carried out by groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba without involvement of Pakistan's military and ISI?

The answers are complex. But the bottom-line is this. Pakistan is a victim of terrorism. At the same time, Pakistan uses terrorism as an instrument of state policy against India, although with more and more inbuilt deniability since the Bombay carnage of 2008.

There are broadly four kinds of terror groups operating in Pakistan with or without state (that is, military and ISI) patronage. There are the anti-Shia and anti-Sunni groups which regularly carry out their killings. In Zia-ul-Haq's time, anti-Shia sentiments were profound, which is why his own death in a midair explosion is attributed to a Shia conspiracy.

By and large, Musharraf was able to stamp out sectarian terror groups, but they emerge now and then, and this Id, Pakistan has taken extraordinary precautions, including suspending mobile services for some hours in big cities, to contain their terrorism. Whilst individual military and intelligence officers may have their biases, state institutions generally rise above the feud, although there is open season to persecute minorities such as Ahmediyas and Hindus.

Then there is Pakistan's biggest and most dangerous domestic terror network grouped under Pakistani Taliban and its offspring, Punjabi Taliban. Pakistani Taliban terrorists stormed the Kamra nuclear strategic airbase recently and have previously too staged attacks on military and ISI facilities. Recent precautions including suspension of cellular telephony and anti-hijack alerts also apply to Taliban terrorism.

Pakistani Taliban has come of age in the FATA badlands which have been second home to Afghan and foreign terrorist groups like the Al-Qaeda since after the 1979 Soviet intervention in Afghanistan. Pakistani Taliban has aims similar to the Afghan Taliban's for Afghanistan with Pakistan's deterrent being an additional -- or even the primary -- attraction.

Pakistani Taliban has fraternal relations with the Afghan Taliban and Al-Qaeda and has assisted them with human and material resources from time to time. Pakistani Taliban has sworn enmity with the Pakistan military after its Lal Masjid seminary was raided by soldiers in July 2007 and its student inmates killed. Under US pressure, Pakistan may have decided to confront the North Waziristan terrorists, including Pakistani Taliban, which explains the Kamra incident and Pakistan's strong anti-terror measures.

On a different plane and in league with Pakistan's military and ISI operate anti-Afghanistan and anti-India terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba, Haqqani Taliban, and so on. Whilst groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba have haemorrhaged and swelled the ranks of Pakistani/ Punjabi Taliban, the Pakistan military/ ISI have reasonably succeeded to firewall externally-oriented, pro-state terrorist groups from domestic anti-state outfits. A broad concept of "good" and "bad" terrorists has been encouraged in Pakistan, and umbrella structures such as Difa-e-Pakistan Council bolster pro-state terror groups like the Lashkar-e-Toiba.

A state which employs terrorism as a policy instrument will eventually be consumed by it. India paid with the lives of two prime ministers for trucking with Sri Lankan Tamil and Khalistan terrorists. Unlike India, Pakistan refuses to learn from its blunders. Whilst it is willing to concede the disastrous fallouts of backing the mujahideen against the Soviets, it is unable to accept the reality of blowbacks from anti-India terrorism.

Which is why you have the bizarre and dangerous situation of Pakistan trying desperately to insulate itself from Pakistani Taliban terrorism even whilst ISI wages new psychological war against India and its citizens of the North East. Pakistan's military and ISI comprise a deep state and, therefore, they would encourage terrorism against India over the objections, if any, of the elected government. But the civilian government also becomes complicit in terrorism when it tries to cover up for the military and ISI.

There is nothing India can do about this beyond taking precautions. Engagement with Pakistan is futile. There is a view in Pakistan that if it goes down, it must sink India alongside. Spectating Pakistan's decline and fall is the only option available to India short of war, which means India must also prepare for the eventual break up of Pakistan. The pain of keeping Pakistan together is something Pakistanis don't want to bear.

So why should India bother?
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No more proof required that but for a miracle hand from above, the union is history.
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After exodus, northeasterners return to Bangalore
Reflecting a gradual return of normalcy after the panic exodus, people from the Northeast (NE) headed back to Bangalore in special trains from Guwahati. The situation also eased on Monday in other parts of Karnataka as well as Tamil Nadu.

A spokesman of the Northeast Frontier Railway, Nripen Bhattacharya, said in Guwahati that three special trains had left for Bangalore yesterday taking back in a phased manner those who had fled from the capital of Karnataka fearing attacks on them following rumours that their lives were in danger in the wake of ethnic violence in Assam. The official, however, could not give the exact number of those returning to Bangalore.

Government officials said it would take two to three days before all of them returned to Bangalore and other cities like Pune and Chennai from where thousands of fear-stricken northeasterners had fled.
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... re/483906/
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Apparently Daily Sanatan Prabhat has reported the following ( a loose translation below) - no way to verify...

Mumbai : Muslims resorted to riots on Saturday. News channels had recorded the misdeeds of rioting Muslims. It is, however, understood that these news channels are being pressurized against showing the recordings. It is learnt that a senior leader has personally looked into this matter and has done so, as the Government does not want people to go against Muslims.

A person associated with a news channel said that ‘most of the incidents showing violence of Muslims have been recorded by us; but our New Delhi office refused to telecast them claiming that if the recording was telecast, it will result in riots spreading all over the country. There are instructions for showing no controversial or provocative recordings. Such message was sent to all news channels; therefore, our reporters and photographers could not show the recording even though they wanted to show and despite getting beaten up. We have no choice. Some of them have, however, posted the recordings on their social websites.’

It was also learnt that a senior Central minister had sent the messages to the main offices of news channels in Delhi. Some of the channels have been warned of cancelling their license. It shows that the present rulers have taken away freedom of the fourth pillar of democracy.
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Why would Akhilesh give a clean chit to police officers who remained mute spectators to the Muslim violence in UP?

At the same time, all Muslim organizations I know of, are praising the restraint applied by Mumbai police - essentially doing very little in the face of the fanatical rioters molesting their own officers, desecrating symbols of national pride. Did the rioters know in advance, that nothing would happen to them for the violence?
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Anindya wrote: Did the rioters know in advance, that nothing would happen to them for the violence?
They've known that for 65 years now.
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"They've known that for 65 years now."

The problem with such certain knowledge is that matters move out of the hands of the state and the aam aadmi takes over after being pushed to some point. As happened in Guj 2002. The state's taking action or not ceases to matter as madness reigns. Not that it should matter much to the IM handlers. Its no skin off their nose if some more blood spilled can gain them more recruits, I guess.
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Slightly dated data on Infiltration and its impact....

POLITICS OF INFILTRATION - A Threat to Socio-cultural Identity of Assam?
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In a way
The Indian GDP has gone up with this Exodus

1) Train Tickets
2) Taxi traffic
3) Auto traffic
4) More sales at Railway Canteens

down side
Lost wages and Services where these people were employed.
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Ambar wrote:
Anindya wrote: Did the rioters know in advance, that nothing would happen to them for the violence?
They've known that for 65 years now.
Islam se yeh gabhrate hai ,par Vote bank bannwate hai
Desh, Sabahyta ko Bhooll gayye ,P secularism ke Ganne gaate hai
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Tho phil isske baad ....

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CONgress/UPAII trying its best to deflect the issue and it seems to me succeeding too.

India to seek US help to track down origins of offensive web pages

How in the world this is even relevent? NE people did not panic because some Paki website has bogus/fabricated content, they panicked because of the threat from internal sources against them.

Where is the action against these people?
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Got the following from an old friend in Pune about the safety of his daughter...have removed some elements to make it anonymous. I Trust the information completely.

No prizes for guessing which "community" this mob belonged to, but also raises a question. How many such incidents have gone unreported?
On Thursday (9th) evening at about 10pm,a huge mob had come at the gates of her PG with weapons.The PG owner - an old patriarch of a **** family said all four girls had gone home and they went away. From the next day some police forces have been deployed around the area.She has remained indoors till today.We are hoping of an ease from Monday (Eid) onwards.
Essentially, 4 girls from the NE were targeted by a mob of Muslim men - what would they have done to them? Killed them, raped them - what was their intention? And our media are so blind with political correctness, that they will ignore such happenings?
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Objectionable Play
Tamasha Naa Hua, which has been staged several times across the country, is about a play where the differences between the director and the actors are expressed in the form of an inconclusive debate involving several ideologies, including Gandhism, Marxism, the nature vs. science debate and the ideas of Tagore.

At certain points, one of the characters criticises India’s hydro projects —Farakka Barrage on the Indo-Bangladesh border and the Baglihar project on the Chenab river — as spelling doom for people in Bangladesh and Pakistan.

The BJP’s objection was to these parts.

As the play concluded, state convener of the BJP’s culture cell Rajesh Bhadoria, himself a theatre aficionado, walked up to Mr. Bharti and reportedly argued with him over the play’s “anti-national” content and warned him of a police case for “treason.”

“In the name of juxtaposing the differences in the ideologies of Tagore and Gandhi, the play openly expressed anti-India feelings and supported Pakistan and Bangladesh, even justifying the influx of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh into India,” Mr. Bhadoria told The Hindu .

Mr. Bharti {director Bhanu Bharti} sought to play down the issue as insignificant.

“At the end of the play, one gentleman walked up to me and said it was an anti-India play fit for staging in Pakistan. But that was the end of it. As far as I am concerned, these are just ploys to divert attention from the real issues raised in the play,” he said.

“In fact, the entire politics in our country toady is about this — creating non-issues to divert attention from the real issues. The audience had no problem, in fact they liked the play and congratulated me for it,” he added.
But, what does The Hindu do ? It gives this report a heading, "BJP’s culture police term Bhanu Bharti’s play ‘anti-national "
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Anindya wrote:Essentially, 4 girls from the NE were targeted by a mob of Muslim men - what would they have done to them? Killed them, raped them - what was their intention? And our media are so blind with political correctness, that they will ignore such happenings?
The media could even justify the act. Look at my post above.
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Pointing to the pakee only means no action against the *local* foot soldiers in cahoots with the foreign intel agency. Seriously, what were the desi intel wallahs doing? Just waiting for another round of dossier throwing to happen?

It means CON warning to foot soldiers and the aam ummah that not voting them back to power would mean retribution from saffron terrorists (well toilet paper is breathlessly cooking up some story no? creating more *breathlessness* on undietv etc. etc....even though they were targeted during the Azad Maidan riots.

It also means Owaisi getting more jumpy and screaming "saffron terrorists, saffron terrorists" that is easy to convince jeans yellowing elites in the metro cities, who would not bother....because amir khan/canada/lundun vijja ij there. I wonder why we scoff at pakees for vijja.
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It could be a sinister ploy to bring back defacto Emergency citing internal security.
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The odd thing is the GOI scheduled those trains to facilitate the NE folks evacuation instead of providing security to the people. And MHA makes pious statements about websites in TSP when those doing physical threatening are in India. Virtual threat has been made more than real threats!

Ptomekin world.
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Intel agencies picking up threads of cyber war only after things happened seems extremely weird. Of course, one can resign to fate and say things are like this onlee. Blaming intel failure means: no action will be taken, so just let the famous *spirit* take over, just as it happened after 26/11; it may mean that there is no preemptive apparatus, pakee has risen to such subtle level that desi intel can pick threads only after the horse has bolted; or clear instructions were given not to act.
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HUJI, PFI may have done it - and also radical Hindu groups
Cyber security agencies have apparently detected the hand of radical groups, such as the Popular Front of India (PFI) in Kerala and Bangladesh-based Harkat-ul-Jehad al Islami (HuJI), while tracking SMSs that led to the exodus of Northeast people. They have been tracking SMSes — not all troublesome — from all sources. Of them, more than 60 million were sent on August 13 alone.

...But they have been successful in detecting forwarding of bulk messages going viral from Bangladesh groups and PFI activists.

Some of the messages hold out communal threats of retribution for alleged atrocities on Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar, a community in the Arakan state linked with Bangladesh, traditionally backed by Islamist and jihadist groups, such as the HuJI.

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The agencies, monitoring Facebook and Twitter, are also examining the possible role of the Hindu radical groups and the underworld.

The PFI, under focus with the HuJI, is largely a Kerala-based outfit, and had a role in chopping off the hand of a professor for alleged blasphemy in 2010. It was formed on December 9, 2006, after merging the Karnataka Forum of Dignity and Tamil Nadu-based Manitha Neethi Pasarai.

In February 2009, the Citizen's Forum (Goa), Community Social and Education Society (Rajasthan), Nagrik Adhikar Surakasha Samiti (West Bengal), Lilong Social Forum (Manipur) and Andhra Pradesh-based Association of Social Justice were taken into its fold.

Inheriting the operational core of the banned Students Islamic Movement of India, the PFI has a cadre of 80,000 radicals, spread over Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh West Bengal and Manipur.

Even though home secretary Raj Singh has largely put the blame on Pakistan, experts are equally convinced of internal sabotage and are trying to find out who gained from the exodus.
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^^
The heading of the newsclip does not contain the much hated *Hindu*. So why put it on BRF?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 16814.aspx

So now the focus has moved away from pakee to beedee - not much difference though; both have sufficient deniability w.r.t to GoI.
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Hindus = Global minorities, who are facing assault from global ideologies and gang of countries.
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In our Desh, minority == Muslim. NMC can be renamed "National Muslim Commision" instead of "National Minorities Commision"

How minorities commission goofed up in Assam
The ACHR stated that the mandate of the NCM as per the National Commission of Minorities Act, 1992 is the protection of religious minorities. However, the NCM ignored the fact that at least 15 per cent of the Bodos are Christians while about 50 per cent of the Bodos follow their own animist religion, 'Bathou' and therefore fall under the definition of 'minorities'.

The NCM, following its visit to the riot affected areas of western Assam on August 11, effectively reduced the riots to 'Bodos vs Muslims' wherein Muslims have been defined as 'minorities', therefore, falling within the mandate of the NCM and the Bodos have been defined as a majority in clear violation of the NCM Act.
Further, the NCM delegation visited only one Bodo camp -- Vidyapeeth high school at Kokrajhar town and six Muslim relief camps.
The Vidyapeeth high school is in the heart of Kokrajhar town, the headquarters of the BTAD and therefore, its condition is better than other Bodo relief camps and therefore, the inferences drawn by the NCM are inaccurate, the report states.

"The NCM failed to ensure impartiality at a time when it is clear that both the Bodos and Muslims are scared to return to their respective villages surrounded by the other community. Despite this reality, the NCM concluded that in the case of the Muslims abandoning their villages and their houses being looted and gutted, there is a 'design to see that they do not return to their own villages' while with respect to the Bodo houses being looted and gutted, the NCM stated that the Bodos did this to themselves."
{ Sounds similar to S-6 coach burning conclusion??}
As over 6,000 people from north-east assembled at Bengaluru railway station on August 15, the NCM released its report which stated that 'the conflict was unequal as the Bodos were killing Muslims with AK 47s and there is impending fear of jihadis supplying arms to Assam'.
Of the 50,000 north-eastern people who fled from across India in the last one week, a majority of them were Christians. The NCM failed to stand up for these minorities from the north-east, the report claimed.

In view of the biased report of the NCM, there is growing clamour for bringing in the National Commission for Scheduled Tribes that is mandated to protect the rights of the Scheduled Tribes, including Bodos.
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A 20-year-old youth has been arrested for sending more than 200 SMSs warning of a possible backlash by affected members of the minority community in the Assam ethnic clashes.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 564552.cms

Who is been implied here?

Bodo or Mohammedians?
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Did ISI hire NATO infiltrators to fuel Assam exodus?
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While the Indian government has blamed Pakistan for morphing images and sending them into India to create a panic among the members of the North Eastern community, the other side to this story is pretty alarming.

The question- Did the ISI hire the services of people who the NATO used against Gaddafi to create these images in their cyber war against India?

Professor. Madhav Nalapat, Manipal university, who also holds the UNESCO Peace Chair says that the information that he has is alarming. My information is that the ISI has managed to use the services of those people who were trained by NATO for the Libyan revolution. In order to pull down Gaddafi, NATO had trained several persons in this art of creating morphed images so that there would be wide spread panic which led to the revolution and the fall of Gaddafi. It was a psychological warfare that was used at that time. The same team which helped pull down Gaddafi is now active in Syria.

Now the issue is that the antecedents of most of these people were trained in this warfare by the NATO were not checked and in the bargain several elements owing allegiance to terrorist groups also managed to slip in. It was unfortunate that the agencies were not able to recognise the terrorists from the genuine activists. However this aspect was given a go by since both the NATO and these terrorist elements had the same objective where the war against Gaddafi was concerned.

The ISI was however aware of such elements in the group trained by the NATO. These men after the Libyan incident moved to Syria and it was there that the ISI managed to get a hold of some of them. These persons were in turn told by the ISI to help them in this war against India. It is unfortunate that the training given by NATO which is friendly towards India has been used against our country at the end of it. It was a similar case in Afghanistan as well. The Taliban were trained to shoot at the Soviets and it was those very same skills that they started to use against India as well.

The ISI identified these men who were part of the Libyan campaign and requested their services. They in turn used the same methodology used against Gaddafi. They morphed images and managed to send them into India thus causing a great deal of panic which led to such a massive exodus. They managed to misuse the training that was given by the NATO.

While the objective of such training was to bring down Gaddafi it has now been misused and unfortunately the target has first been India. My worry is that they will continue to use this tactic that they have learnt from the NATO since it appears to have done a great deal of damage in India. They are quite capable of sending in morphed images of Hindus being ill-treated in Pakistan or Bangladesh which could stir up the emotions down here in India. This is a dangerous precedent that has been set even as the ISI continues to rope in Libyan and Syrian activists for this cyber warfare which causes a great deal of psychological damage.
Very interesting
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Only difference may be ISI has no role in this whatsoever. With the Anna agitation petering out and Ramlila ground not transforming into Tahrir square, this seems part 2 of the operation to use internal agents of destabilization. So the first part of the Internal agents of destabilization consisted mainly of a manufactured alliance of 'magsaysay winners' and some WKK/DIE types who constantly speak out against the established authority and at the same time represent vested interests, so are up for hire. The second phase consists of Islamist footsoldiers who were mobilized as they are usually mobilized on instructions of someone higher up in the foodchain, who cannot be touched.

ISI for all it's reputation is a weak organization of a weak failed-state and is in no position to organize a manouvre of such nature against a very capable and potent rival state. It has to happen much above the level of ISI, which can plan and execute such a manouvre, and with help from within India, very significant help at that. ISI can ofcourse be the first choice scapegoat, because in the Indian imagination, ISI has been tuned to be a dead-end. Everything ends over there, because there is no recourse whenever a ISI label is attached. So ISI is a template for coverup of some sinister crime.

It also means that there is essence to my original speculation that what started out in North Africa,and veered around to Syria & Iran will also arrive in India at some date. The forces that be are gauging the strength of the state, it's defence and redressal mechanisms and the 'true centres of power' which hold key to destabilization.
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It is *unfortunate* that the training given by NATO which is *friendly* towards India has been used against our country at the end of it.
I wonder in which planet the good gentleman lives. nato is a friend? :P
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Day in day out people in India get tens, if not hundreds, of fake SMSs claiming that the mobile owner won thousands of $. Nobody takes them seriously. I am sure each one of the NE person spoke to their kith and kin back home before deciding to go to home. Two people could have organized the whole process.

1. NE community groups - If they exist and are efficient enough to seek additional trains
2. National/state police/intelligence forces - only they can coordinate the logistics.

Why is the question!
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^^ Wonder where Behenji and other messiahs were when the Buddha statue was desecrated in full public view?

Can anyone guess the reaction if some other community had done the same to either her or Buddha's statue?
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^ this can also be a ploy by congress to curtail the Social network sites such as Facebook,Twitter etc. How in the world only people of NE Ethnicity get sms's is beyond me.Now the paid media will go full on claiming that twitter,FB played a major role in fanning communal tension and should be tightened.I bet the INC is trying very hard to tighten twitter,FB before 2014 elections.
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X-post:
sum wrote:Surprsing that Sudhanshu Ranjan has put the matters the way they are. he is sually pro-govt and is employed in DD:

Allowed to fester
The problem is one of continuing influx of Bangladeshis to Assam, which has changed the demography of six districts.
The exodus of people of the North East from Bangalore, Mumbai and Pune is reminiscent of August 16,1946, the ‘Direct Action Day,’ as announced by Mohammad Ali Jinnah which finally led to partition and the largest ever migration of population that took place in the history of the world. The trauma suffered by both countries and communities beggars description.

However, just as the partition on the basis of religion did not solve the problem, the current situation in Assam has been allowed to fester for decades as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh continue to sneak into the region like extravasated blood. The ecchymosis of migration threatens to change the demography of the state which has risen in revolt. It was an ethnic conflict between the local residents and the immigrants then and the recent clashes between the Bodos and the Bangladeshi immigrants in Kokrajhar and Chirang districts were also ethnic.

But Pakistan with its diabolical design successfully converted it into a communal issue. SMS/MMSes carrying hate messages and offensive images created national scare and those from the North East started returning home from different cities in droves. Union home secretary R K Singh has revealed that the bulk of the messages were uploaded in Pakistan and Union home minister Sushil Kumar Shinde has spoken to his Pakistani counterpart in this regard. However, the statement of the home secretary that bulk of messages was uploaded in Pakistan creates confusion as he has not said that all messages were uploaded in Pakistan. It means that the remaining messages were uploaded somewhere else. It needs to be clarified.

Fingers have been raised against Badruddin Ajmal, chief of the All India United democratic Front, set up with the sole agenda of furthering the Muslim cause, for leading a disinformation campaign that Muslims were being targeted. His party got a huge success in the last Assembly elections and emerged as the main opposition party. He has been accused of motivating people to move into relief camps to prove how Muslims have become refuges in their own country. Nearly 5 lakh people are staying in relief camps at the moment which is biggest ever migration of population inside country. It is outnumbered only by the migration at the time of partition but that was across the border.

Violence erupted in Assam after July 6 when two student leaders were shot and injured by unidentified gunmen at Anthihara village in the Kokrajhar district. Another incident that triggered off violence on a large scale took place on July 20 in which four former members of the now defunct Bodoland Liberation Tigers were hacked to death at Joypur village. The main cause of clashes between the Bodo tribals and the immigrant Muslims is the control over land. Bodos claim themselves to be the original inhabitants of the land and Shankar Dev, the great Vaihnav saint, has called them ‘mlechchas.’ Bodos are deeply peeved over this nomenclature and demanded to ban the writings of Shankar Dev.

Continuing influx

Anyway, the problem is the only one of the continuing influx of Bangladeshis to the state which has changed the demography of at least six districts which have Muslims in majority now. The problem of illegal migration at least into Assam was created by the British East India Company, who first brought the Bengali Muslim peasant from East Bengal to the Brahmaputra valley in the beginning of the 19th century.

Within 30 years, the Bengali Muslim migrants had settled in four districts of Assam clearing forest lands and cultivating waste lands and multiplied so fast that the Census Commissioner C S Mullen wrote prophetically in his census report of 1931-“Whither there is vacant land, thither goes the Mymensinghia. Without fuss, without tumult, without undue trouble a population amounting to about half a million has transplanted itself from Bengal to Assam during the last 25 years. A time will come when Sibsagar district will remain the only district that the Assamese can call their own.”

Realising the threat to demography, the government introduced the line system that designated the area in each district that could be settled by the immigrant Bengali Muslim. However, the Muslim League government headed by Sadullah Khan (1944-45) de-reserved grazing reserves in Kamrup, Darrang and Nowgong districts for settling East Bengali peasants, ostensibly for increasing paddy production. Lord Wavell described the settlements as – “Grow more Muslims, rather than grow more food.” Jinnah’s private secretary had promised him to offer Assam on a platter as part of Pakistan.

Even after independence, the migration continued and the myopic government with an eye on the vote-bank did nothing to stop the migration. In fact, former Congress president D K Baruah had said that he would rule over the state with the help of Aali (Immigrant Muslims) and coolie (labourers from Bihar and other states who went there to work in tea gardens).

When Rajiv Gandhi signed the Assam Accord with All Assam Students Union, it was decided that immigrants who came on or after March 25, 1971 would be identified and deported. The Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunal) Act was enacted, but it was subsequently set aside by the Supreme Court. However, very few illegal immigrants were identified and only a miniscule percentage was deported.

Now the Congress party asks where they should be deported when Bangladesh denies that they are its citizens and is not willing to accept them. But at least their voting rights should be withdrawn and be allowed to stay in the extreme cases on work permits. The problem of illegal migration must be addressed if peace is to have a permanent innings in Assam.
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habalji,
Who do you think are behind mobilising the Islamist footsoldiers?
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