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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 27 Aug 2011 14:25

Surprised that no one noticed this...
Rajiv killers to hang on Sept 9
Murugan, Santhan and Perarivalan, three LTTE activists convicted in the former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi assassination case, will be hanged on September 9, according to official sources.
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If I read the vernacular news reports right, organisations like MDMK and P.Nedumaran etc. are now trying to get some plan worked out to commute the death sentence. Subramanian Swamy says that now the only option left for the trio is a jail break and escape. Let us see what happens in this case...

Edited: In cases like these, I feel the condemned prisoners should be moved to a prison which is way far, so that the local populace does not get a chance to create a riot.This should be done, before the news is out in the open.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 28 Aug 2011 14:17

Shri Katju of SC handing out more gyaan:
SC judge favours death in honour killings,fake encounter cases

Referring to honour killings cases in states of Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and parts of Rajasthan, Justice Markandey Katju in a lecture here last evening said such acts were encouraged by caste panchayats.

"These honour killings are done or encouraged by the caste panchayats. As these panchayats are vote banks for those in power, they do not want to disturb their vote bank," he said.

He said the district magistrates and superintendents of police "should be placed under suspension" if there were cases of honour killings in their respective areas of operation.

"The maximum one can do if your girl is marrying someone against your will is to sever social relations with her and nothing more," Katju said.

Justice Katju said policemen behind fake encounters should also be handed down death sentence since they are supposed "to protect the public and not murder them."

"...This is a violation of Article 21 of the Constitution which says that no one will be deprived of his life and liberty except when the procedure is instructed by law," he said.

Referring to statements by policemen at times that they only follow the orders of their superiors, he said if a policeman is told to commit a crime by a superintendent of police, "should he follow that order? You have to uphold the law."


ustice Katju as part of a bench of the Supreme Court had recently held that fake encounter killings should be considered rarest of rare cases and police personnel involved in such incidents should be awarded the maximum sentence.

He had also been part of a bench that last year held that capital punishment must be awarded to those convicted of honour killings.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 28 Aug 2011 18:38

sum wrote:Shri Katju of SC handing out more gyaan:
SC judge favours death in honour killings,fake encounter cases

Referring to honour killings cases in states of Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and parts of Rajasthan, Justice Markandey Katju in a lecture here last evening said such acts were encouraged by caste panchayats.

"These honour killings are done or encouraged by the caste panchayats. As these panchayats are vote banks for those in power, they do not want to disturb their vote bank," he said.

He said the district magistrates and superintendents of police "should be placed under suspension" if there were cases of honour killings in their respective areas of operation.

"The maximum one can do if your girl is marrying someone against your will is to sever social relations with her and nothing more," Katju said.

Justice Katju said policemen behind fake encounters should also be handed down death sentence since they are supposed "to protect the public and not murder them."

"...This is a violation of Article 21 of the Constitution which says that no one will be deprived of his life and liberty except when the procedure is instructed by law," he said.

Referring to statements by policemen at times that they only follow the orders of their superiors, he said if a policeman is told to commit a crime by a superintendent of police, "should he follow that order? You have to uphold the law."


ustice Katju as part of a bench of the Supreme Court had recently held that fake encounter killings should be considered rarest of rare cases and police personnel involved in such incidents should be awarded the maximum sentence.

He had also been part of a bench that last year held that capital punishment must be awarded to those convicted of honour killings.



Our judicial hero is surely negotiating a well paying foreign NGO sinecure. 8)

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby jaibhim » 29 Aug 2011 01:56

I noticed rekindling of chatter in the tamil secession front. Tragically a woman has burnt herself as per the news and the comments of some of these rats in websites such as that of the TOI, are indicative of their inclination of exploiting the situation. Some discussion seems to be abuzz regarding, the impending sentence in the rajiv case in some of the liquor-off license shops in England. One hopes that the intelligence agencies are keeping an eye.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ks das » 29 Aug 2011 05:11

I can't vouch for the authenticity of the author. His all articles are anti islamic (as is the source website).
I just want to bring this to notice in case you missed such news. please check:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/po ... the-state/
What Mamata promised to win Muslim Votes:
Mamata promised so many things, legal and illegal, democratic and undemotratic, secular and non secular to Muslim voters, before the election, to win their votes. Some of these promises may be mentioned as under.
Though it is unconstitutional to preserve government jobs on religious basis, Mamata, as the railway minister of the central UPA government, promised that she would create 50,000 railway jobs especially for the Muslims.
In West Bengal, it would need a microscope to trace Urdu speaking people. Even then she said that Urdu would be raised to the status of the ‘second language’ where 10% or more people speaks Urdu.
She said that more and more Islamic schools or madrasas would be created to raise the educational standard of the Muslims.
She also said that most of the madrasas, which are now waiting to get government affiliation, would be affiliated and so on..

Also : http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?op ... &Itemid=58

May be the author is overstating the threat. I wonder is there any strategy to counter such things. The leaders do not want to help minorities to develop in terms of economy, literacy. They just want them to grow in population. Media just castigates those who put forward an intelligent and ...... (no need to repeat same points on BRF I understand).
But honestly what is the solution. By no chance we can have a Jan lokpal type movement against this danger to be brought under discussion in parliament. There can be a day when the muslims of our country being deprived of proper education and religious tolerance values, they will apply for recruitment in Al qaeda et al. openly in big numbers. They may start organizing parade to show solidarity with Kashmir separation and global jihad.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 29 Aug 2011 08:27

jaibhim wrote:I noticed rekindling of chatter in the tamil secession front. Tragically a woman has burnt herself as per the news and the comments of some of these rats in websites such as that of the TOI, are indicative of their inclination of exploiting the situation. Some discussion seems to be abuzz regarding, the impending sentence in the rajiv case in some of the liquor-off license shops in England. One hopes that the intelligence agencies are keeping an eye.



It will be directly indicative of the size of the contents of the kangressi langote.

Instead of mounting the white charger, MMS may send it back to the stables.

PC and Amma will have a lot to lose.

The kangressi morons have not thought this through or even basically gamed it before

jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

Or is it a machiavellian plot to take down PC?? and hobble Amma?? 8)

They are going to piss off the minorities (afzal guru) and the dalits all together and at the

same time.

Expect "international" xtian NGOs to very vocally pitch in, especially those that supported the

LTTE.


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Aug 2011 11:06



I hope the Political leaders behinf this are booked for abetment to sucide.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby jaibhim » 29 Aug 2011 13:34

There exists a not so insubstantial group in central universities such as hyderabad and in the iit's which looks for targets. Consider for instance, a new student from tirunelveli lost and perhaps a first generation learner stepping out of his house for the first time. This is the target, they zero in on, make him dependent on them. They indoctrinate him with the resume comprising of the sense of injustice and the loss of the dravidian civilization, corruption of tamizh, the tamizh hieroglyphics that supposedly predates sumerian civilization, the great valiant struggles over time by the Tamizh people including the sea tigers, the systematic massacre of the tamizhs, the martyrs in other events and the coimbatore case in the 1960's and why secession from 'Hindia' is important. It is real and the intelligence agencies must take note of these people. The suffering of the tamils in the island nation is does require consideration, but when self-anointed language jingoist guardians begin to talk of breaking India up, this threat must be nipped in the bud.

It could be said that it proceeds every year unabated. Later on these sewer rats 'research scholars' a deplorable word become lecturers or plot their way to overseas universities one lauch--pad camp is SOAS in London of course with its tamizh diaspora, without nothing much to shout about in JNU's, IIT's and go into hiding, but expose their true stripes, whenever feasible. They owe allegiance to chaps like one Papolla who spews regular material on aryan-davidian clash etc. They are also aligned with scientific communism and are known rabble rousers and wedge creators in university employees for example and ogle about Kannagi and old myths that predated hinduism about the glorious tamizh civilization, hate filled, blinded by their belief of redemptive capacities of tamizh as any fanatic would think[ well disguised of course], a glorious age, the language riots etc etc. Ignoring this sleeper cell that is well established in the academic setup and shares a extended network with liquor shops[they now have a red passport after showing up as refugees] and 'student activists' and research scholars[fantasizing them as the student bombers who worked in the russian revolution hit and run], is a grave mistake. This group sometimes 'communist' is active in tamizh nadu or remote controls the order from elsewhere and has diametrically opposite views about the union of India. If possible it does not mix with other Indians. Websites such as tamil tribune should have shut shop long back. This group becomes well-oiled and well-off eventually, the eventual victims are the poor such as the above woman, who lost her life.

It is my patriotic duty as to shout as much as I can as I have been doing to let other people notice that these fanatics cannot be ignored, just as I have been sharing my worry and keeping vigil on ideologies, chatter shops with enormous catchment area and groups that threaten the integrity of Indian union just as another site kafila [anything that tries to break the idea of India must be taken on the latter is very sophisticated the former is hidden but both are linked]. Incidents such as these are events they are waiting for . Check the comments section of the TOI some idiots write from chennai about the valiant struggle of tamizhs equating them to the cashmere sweater. These must be young foot soldiers trying to prove their loyalty and pay their debt[they also pay fees and help financially] to the order of the templar knights.
Vande Mataram Jai Hind

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Aug 2011 18:58

Guj HC drops murder charge against accused in Pandya case

Initially I thought it was a case of the wrong people being arrested but after reading 4 different sources like the quotes in the article.

Slamming the CBI for its "botched up" and "blinkered" investigations, the Gujarat High Court today dropped murder charges against the 12 accused in the killing of former minister Haren Pandya eight years ago.

Criticising the CBI, the court observed, "What clearly stands out from the record of the present case is that the investigation in the case of murder of Haren Pandya has all throughout been botched up and blinkered and has left a lot to be desired." All the 12 accused except key conspirator Mohammad Asgar Ali are likely to be released from jail as they had been behind bars since 2003 as far as Pandya murder case was concerned, said special public prosecutor J M Panchal. Ali will be in prison for some more time.

Main accused Ali's conviction has been upheld for attempt to murder, criminal conspiracy, for offences under POTA and the Arms Act. "All the sentences shall run concurrently and he shall be entitled to the benefit of set-off," the court said.
Ali's total sentence would now be ten years, of which he has served over eight years.



It seems what has happenned the CBI seems to have diluted evidence for ideological reasons, included a couple of innocents into the case to help some of the accused, very little efforts to capture 4 of accussed who are still free. Sad state of affairs indeed.

Most people in the Net especially some extremist Muslims( a very small less than 1% Indian Muslims) who feel ever discriminated/ Uber Seculars are happily pretending that this acquital is because of this being a Mecca Masjid type Muslim held but Hindu did it rather than what has actually happened.


anther source

Haren Pandya murder: HC acquits all accused

The high court retained all the other charges, including those under Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA), Indian Penal Code's (IPC) section 307 (attempt to murder) and section 120-B (criminal conspiracy

The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) which investigated the case had arrested 15 people out of the 19 named as accused


Anther Article which seems how much ever spin is given, it seems to confirm the conclusion above

Haren Pandya case: HC drops murder charges against 12 accused


Slamming the Central Bureau of Investigation for its “washed up” and “blinkered” investigations in the 2003 Haren Pandya murder case, the Gujarat High Court on Monday dropped murder charges against all the 12 accused in the case.

However, the charges of attempt to murder will remain on all the accused.

A Division Bench of the High Court comprising Justices D.H. Vaghela and J.C. Upadhyay said the investigations by the Central agency in the case were “washed up, blinkered and had left lot to desire.” Criticising the CBI, the court further said the investigating officer should be made accountable for such lapses, which has caused injustice to the accused and wastage of public resources.

The court said the trial court’s order was set aside since the investigation agency could not prove murder charges
. At the trial court the accused were convicted of murder with criminal conspiracy.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Aug 2011 19:27

All secular newspapers like HT are posting(there are no hate words) but deleting my comments since it is exposing what the CBI has done.

NDTV has happily blanked the part that other charges against the accussed have been retained, how predictable.

So who shot Haren Pandya? 12 men acquitted today

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RamaY » 29 Aug 2011 21:06

Aditya_V wrote:


I hope the Political leaders behinf this are booked for abetment to sucide.


This is the last straw MKM is hanging on to after 2G scam.


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 09:12


DMK Chief, M.Karunanidhi's logic is indeed strange. He says that the three are repentant now, while Vaiko says that these three are innocent. Between themselves, they have to first conclude the basis on which they want to commute the death sentence, innocence or repentance ? Nobody is aware of any repentance by these three anyway. The DMK Chief also says that the 'Tamil race' would extol such a 'humanitarian action'. Where is humanitarian consideration in hanging terrorists who meticulously planned the terrorist act that killed so many people including a former PM of India and maimed a lot more ? And, what is this 'Tamil race' business ? Karunanidhi & Co are the most divisive bunch of politicians in the country. They do not hesitate to divide people on ethnic, linguistic and religious grounds purely for political and personal gains. How is it that M.Karunanidhi assumes the mantle of the sole spokesman of the entire 'Tamil race' ? What happens to the two dozen or so other Tamils who were killed along with Rajiv Gandhi ? If any one of them wants the logical conclusion of this episode, would they become 'Tamil traitors' ?

Karunanidhi also says that had Rajiv Gandhi been alive, he would have pardoned the three death-row convicts. If no attempt had been made on RG, there would have been no case at all. He also says, "We have to take the responsibility of saving these three youths who are to be taken to gallows." Let's see some examples. For all Karunanidhi's drama of compassion for human lives, his past actions and words on the murder of three young lives in the Dinakaran office and then the murder of a senior DMK functionary (both incidents at Madurai, the stronghold of his son Alagiri) are not convincing. The Jain Commission report directly blamed the Karunanidhi government with abetting the murder of Rajiv Gandhi. No compassion for Rajiv Gandhi or those who were with him then ? That was why the INC withdrew support for the IK Gujral government which did not drop DMK from its coalition after the report was tabled. It was another matter that political expediency forced a shameless INC to strike a deal with the DMK overruling opposition from a large section of INC workers in TN.

People seem to have suddenly woken up to the need to abolish capital punishment. Nobody raised a voice against the idea of capital punishment so far in TN. Suddenly, everybody wants TN to be the model state abolishing death sentence, as though TN can do so independently.

If Vaiko says that these three are guiltless, does he think that the special court at Poonamalee, the Chennai High Court and the Supreme Court all erred ? He is himself an eminent lawyer. He could have presented evidence, argued the case and saved three 'young and innocent lives'.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sum » 30 Aug 2011 09:21

All secular newspapers like HT are posting(there are no hate words) but deleting my comments since it is exposing what the CBI has done.

NDTV has happily blanked the part that other charges against the accussed have been retained, how predictable.

Our secular DDM has gone so blinded by its hate NaMo campaign that instead of blasting PC ( under whom the CBI comes), they are targeting NaMo :-? :-? saying that court ruling is a blow to him whereas it is actually a blow to the MHA ( unless they actively sabotaged the case to blacked NaMo face further which i wouldnt be surprising knowing the INC and its logic)

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Aug 2011 09:59

sum wrote:
All secular newspapers like HT are posting(there are no hate words) but deleting my comments since it is exposing what the CBI has done.

NDTV has happily blanked the part that other charges against the accussed have been retained, how predictable.

Our secular DDM has gone so blinded by its hate NaMo campaign that instead of blasting PC ( under whom the CBI comes), they are targeting NaMo :-? :-? saying that court ruling is a blow to him whereas it is actually a blow to the MHA ( unless they actively sabotaged the case to blacked NaMo face further which i wouldnt be surprising knowing the INC and its logic)


See the exerpts of the Judgement, he does acquit all the accussed, in fact the prime accussed is going for 10 years. All the other charges except Murder stick which requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and the Judges actually Lambast the CBI on that. It seems what the CBI is being accussed of-

1) Including certain innocent IM's along with the prepatrators.
2) Botching up and doing a shoddy job with the evidence.

Done specifically to help the accussed. DDM is deliberately trying to put a different spin on it. Shame on CBI and paid news.

Anther link

Haren Pandya case: Gujarat HC drops murder charges against 12 accused

However, the charges of attempt to murder will remain on all the accused. This means that the appeal of the accused in the sensational murder case is partially allowed, Special Public Prosecutor J M Panchal said.

A division bench of the High Court comprising justices D H Vaghela and J C Upadhyay said the investigations by the Central agency in the case were "washed up, blinkered and had left lot to desire."



I think all of us really need to Due dilegence as Media has now capable of saying the world is flat and the sun rises in the west.


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ManishH » 30 Aug 2011 12:03

Haren murder: Eyewitness was unreliable, says HC
"The medical and ballistic evidence could, by no stretch, square with the ocular evidence which is found to be very weak and fragile. In fact, by the inherent contradictions and improbabilities contained in the version presented by the so-called sole eye-witness, his very status and presence as an eyewitness to the incident of firing upon Pandya, have to be seriously doubted."
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It refused to believe that the assailant could have fired at the scrotum of the ex-minister, who was on the driver's seat of the car, from outside by pushing the gun through the small space of the half rolled down window. The trajectory of this bullet, described as the 7th wound, is diagonal and upwards, which is impossible, "the order in which the shots were fired is not indicated by any evidence or opinion on record, and hence could only be a matter of surmise."


When the crime scene is so incongruous with ballistic evidence, that it appears to be staged, the evidence will not withstand judicial scrutiny. No point blaming CBI for this; remember this was 2003 when INC weren't holding CBI reins to have influenced it. If anything, this calls for better technical training and equipment for investigative agencies (similar to cold case files).

But in a high stakes political murder, truth will be suppressed. Hope otherwise for the family of the departed.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Aug 2011 12:06

ManishH - case was transferred to CBI in 2003, but investigations by CBI and filing with court have happenned after that including much of it in the post 2004 election period.

CBI should have tried to get the Ballistic evidence to tie in with the sequence of events and they botched it up, deliberately, which is why the Court wants CBI officers for botching up the investigation.

if the proper investigation and sequence of events was built up we would have known the truth, like after firing 6 bullets, the assalaint could have opened the door, pushed Haren Pandya downa and fired the last bullet. But this is where CBI failed with building up evidence with respect to sequence of events.

The ariticle is silent on evidences based on which of court finding the accused guilty of the other charges. If we can get hold of the full judgement, perhaps we can find out more about the truth than just what is given in biased reports.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Aug 2011 12:19

Pioneer take on the Haren pandya verdictGuj HC quashes murder charge against accuse

Criticising the CBI, the court observed, "What clearly stands out from the record of the present case is that the investigation in the case of murder of Haren Pandya has all throughout been botched up and blinkered and has left a lot to be desired."

"The investigating officers ought to be held accountablefor their ineptitude resulting into injustice, huge harassment of many persons and enormous waste of public resources and public time of the courts," the high court said.

"In fact, the investigation clearly appears to have been so botched up and misdirected that the confessional statements recorded during the police remand could not be safely relied on for convicting any of the appellants for commission of, abatement of or conspiracy to commit murder," it said.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby ManishH » 30 Aug 2011 13:41

Yes, we should await publication of full judgement. Esp. what evidence withstood the judicial scrutiny.

I was referring to "trail running cold". The period immediately after the crime is critical for gathering evidence (2003). If critical evidence is omitted or "goes missing", it is very difficult to piece together the chain of evidence and events after 2004-11.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 30 Aug 2011 14:01

SSridhar wrote:He says that the three are repentant now, while Vaiko says that these three are innocent.

I never knew life was so easy. Plan a bomb blast, carry it out and kill the person targetted (and umpteen other innocents). And then happily say that we are now repenting for this :rotfl:. Mr. Karunanidhi may wish to confirm if this holds true for any crime which gets committed in TN. How ever I feel that we should anticipate some rioting and mayhem during the days of 8th and 9th.

If Vaiko says that these three are guiltless, does he think that the special court at Poonamalee, the Chennai High Court and the Supreme Court all erred ?

Was just refreshing the information in the book authored by Radhavinod Raju IPS regarding RG Assasination. All these three fellows fully were aware of the plans. Especially Murugan and Perarivalan. They were there in the entire planning and arranging of logistics. Santhan @ Suthenthira Raja seems to have been the man chosen for being a "gopher boy" for Sivarasan and Co.


PS: Saw the Madras High Court stay for 8 weeks. I am really surprised that we have these never ending cycles. I am sure that the death sentence would have been upheld by the Hon.HC, then the Hon.SC. And then mercy petition is also rejected by Hon.President of India. Dhananjoy chatterjee spent nearly a full time life imprisonment, before getting executed. How different is this? I do agree that mercy petitions should be processed quickly.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 17:34

TN Assembly passes resolution asking for clemency to the killer terrorists
The LTTE waged war against India through the Sriperumbudur attack. We are the softest state in the world.

TN Resolution not binding: Salman Kursheed
“The state government resolution is not binding on anyone. The state government passes a resolution... I am sure that at the level at which it must be taken seriously and considered it will be taken,” Mr. Khurshid told reporters outside Parliament House here in reply to a question.

Reacting to the developments, Janata Party president Subranium Swamy appealed to the Prime Minister to move the Supreme Court against the Madras High Court order.

“I do not agree with the Madras High court judgement,” Mr. Swamy told reporters outside Parliament.

”... We cannot be seen to be soft on terrorists,” he said.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Sachin » 30 Aug 2011 20:28

SSridhar wrote:The LTTE waged war against India through the Sriperumbudur attack. We are the softest state in the world.

If this is the way we deal with executions, then we can all forget Ajmal Kasab or Afsal Guru hanging any time in the near future. I may sound a defeatist here. But I admire the British in the way they dealt with the folks they found a threat to their rule. Here we still pretty much follow the same way of judiciary, parliament etc., but are now inventing new mechanisms to delay punishments. This nation is going no where by being namby pamby.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby brihaspati » 30 Aug 2011 22:22

How about the victim's relatives asking for clemency? That should help in the elections!

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby svenkat » 30 Aug 2011 22:57

Tamizh chauvinists are claiming that the accused are innocent who were framed by the Indian state.
The truth is the line dividing mainstream/fringe opinion on such issues is blurred/non-existent.

Also the chauvinists are building their case on intoxicating,venomous and divisive half-truths.The assertions of tamizh chauvinists is based on more than an element of truth on the 'vexed' issues of ntionalism,identity,language etc.

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** This case has nothing to do with religion, an issue that you have raised. I have deleted those portions of your post **
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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Pranav » 30 Aug 2011 23:40

India Al Qaeda's hijack target?

According to an alert, flight schedules of an Indian private airline between May 2011 and November 2011 was called "targeted". TIMES NOW has a copy of the Intelligence alert circulated to Police forces of all states in India. The plan was hatched by Al Qaeda Indonesian resident called Naveed Rehmat. He shared the details with Yemen based Al Qaeda trainer Anwar Naseer Aulaqi. Yemen based Aulaqi, 40, is an American citizen and was once described as 'world's most dangerous man'.

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4382650.cms


Need to watch out, this Aulaqi is almost certainly a western intelligence asset.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RamaY » 30 Aug 2011 23:53

This is interesting. A state assembly passes a resolution to DEMAND clemency after president rejects it??? what kind of logic is that???

Taking a pot shot at SwamyG garu - MKM is indeed a leader of clarity, forthrightness and trust worthiness.

Wow!

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby SwamyG » 31 Aug 2011 01:41

^^^
I don't see the connection? What shot are you taking at me? Did you mistake me for MKM supporter, because I say JJ is not dependable? JJ, Subrmanya Swamy itaydi are folks who will swing several ways. MKM at least is a known animal, we definitely know in which way he swings.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby paramu » 31 Aug 2011 04:54

I think people are not seeing the political game going on here. DMK leaders faced with a string of corruption cases, and the threat of arresting its leaders, need to divert public attention to something sensational. Amma, sensing this gameplan, pre-emtively passed a resolution in the assembly so that DMK doesn't get an upper hand on this episode. As Salman Khurshid pointed out, that resolution is not binding and is just a drama.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RamaY » 31 Aug 2011 05:13

SwamyG garu, that was a pot shot. Just wanted to show that, being a proven criminal mind is not enough in today's political world. As long as they live they will undermine the national interests

This has larger implication. If a state high court puts a stay on such matter, then we can kiss the death penalty good bye, because every one except Hindu majority will have a say on it even after SC's verdict and president's approval (by declining the clemency request).

There is no guarantee that it will stop there. Tomorrow someone will go to court that someone spent enough time in the jail and that should be enough. It would be the starting point of rule of law. Interesting times ahead.

I would blame BJP govt as well as APJ Kalam for sitting pretty on these matters. With this precedence there is no way Afjal Guru or Kasab get their 72 in Indian hands.

Just can't believe these otherwise great leaders couldn't see thru this. I am dismayed.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2011 07:14

RamaY wrote:I would blame BJP govt as well as APJ Kalam for sitting pretty on these matters. . . .Just can't believe these otherwise great leaders couldn't see thru this.

Yes, true. Mercy petitions must be disposed off very quickly. There is absolutely no reason for them to be delayed. In the present case, the mercy petition of these three terrorists had been pending for 11 years out of which 7 years have been with the INC and 4 years, the BJP. Both parties must take the blame. The President cannot decide unless the MHA puts up the case to President's decision. I do not know if there was a back-and-forth movement of the file between various Presidents and the MHA during these 11 years or the MHA was simply sitting on it or no President was acting on it. That is exactly what Jethmalani has argued and the Chennai High Court has asked the TN State and the Union Government to answer within 8 weeks as to why it took such a long time.

If the death sentence is commuted on these three, then we can forget Afzal Guru. Kasab may be some time away yet. I do not know if vested interests in the corridors of power, bent upon letting the terrorists go scot free, deliberately delayed decisions expecting a positive turn of events for the accused later on.


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby abhishek_sharma » 31 Aug 2011 07:29

Generally one of DMK/AIADMK is part of the ruling coalition. And which party wants to anger its coalition partners?

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RamaY » 31 Aug 2011 07:36

It is more than that IMO. After MK started the fire, JJ cannot fall behind.

It used to be "justice delayed is justice denied", now it should be "justice delayed is justice served"

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby abhishek_sharma » 31 Aug 2011 07:46

If we hang Afzal Guru, we should expect disturbance in J&K.

A pardon for Bhullar is essential for the sentiments and feelings of the entire Sikh community.

Similarly, ... *sigh*

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Pranav » 31 Aug 2011 07:56

Pranav wrote:
India Al Qaeda's hijack target?

According to an alert, flight schedules of an Indian private airline between May 2011 and November 2011 was called "targeted". TIMES NOW has a copy of the Intelligence alert circulated to Police forces of all states in India. The plan was hatched by Al Qaeda Indonesian resident called Naveed Rehmat. He shared the details with Yemen based Al Qaeda trainer Anwar Naseer Aulaqi. Yemen based Aulaqi, 40, is an American citizen and was once described as 'world's most dangerous man'.

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4382650.cms


Need to watch out, this Aulaqi is almost certainly a western intelligence asset.


More on Aulaqi:

EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al ... z1WZUxUzND

Also attended "Prayer Group Meetings" on Capitol Hill:

Some Muslims Attending Capitol Hill Prayer Group Have Terror Ties, Probe Reveals

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11 ... z1WZVIrAmT

GOTUS blocking documents related to Aulaqi:

State Department: Don't Invade Privacy of Cleric on CIA Kill List

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08 ... z1WZW7hYvm


Obama Administration Denies Request for Fort Hood Report That Could Aid Suspect

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11 ... z1WZVpzXqZ


Aulaqi was involved with the "underwear bomber", who shows all signs of being a useful idiot.

He was also involved with the alleged 9/11 hijackers, no time to go into all that; besides 9/11 is a verboten topic on BRF.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2011 10:12

Karunanidhi defends plea for commutation of death sentence
He was responding to Chief Minister Jayalalithaa's the allegation in the Assembly that he had failed to demand commutation for the trio when his Cabinet took a decision to seek commutation of the death sentence of Nalini, one of the convicted persons in the case, on the ground that her child would be orphaned.

On the allegation of Ms. Jayalalithaa that the Cabinet had then raised no objection to carrying out the death sentence of the three persons (Murugan, Santhan and Perarivalan) and advised rejection of their mercy petitions, Mr. Karunanidhi said that this decision was taken in 2000 and at that time these three had spent only a few years in jail.

So, Karunanidhi is not denying the crime of these three. Do Vaiko, Ramadoss and other 'Tamil' leaders accept this because they have been claiming that three 'innocents' are being hanged.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby svenkat » 31 Aug 2011 10:23

I am told by a reliable source,that Perarivalan might have been unaware of the plot and that only SL Tamils were awre of the plot and that too only about five persons including sivaraasan and thaanu.The SL tamils did not trust Indian tamils who were in it only for the money and the rare one for ideological reasons.

Also,the CBI did try to fabricate evidence and my source who is a bit cynical,but not wrong on facts,says that the CBI team had no choice for one could not expect LTTE to own up the facts.

perhaps,perarivalan can be given the benefit of doubt,[not saanthan or murugan both lankan tamils were part of the core team)being someone who was only an accessory in getting the battery for the bomb.

Take it for whatever it is worth,I can vouch safe for the integrity of the person.He was involved in the investigation.he is a bit cynical about life in general.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2011 11:18

svenkat, these three, along with several others, had gone through rigorous court procedures. In India, death sentences are awarded and then executed very rarely. The High Courts and the Supreme Court have been very particular about this. They are not awarded even if there is a whiff of doubt. In a country of 1.2 billion people and in a country buffeted by extreme terrorism for almost three decades now, only a single person has been executed since 1995 and that speaks for itself. To raise suspicion is therefore done with an ulterior motive. Even the self-appointed 'Guardian of all Tamils all over the World', Mr. Mu. Ka, has not said that there was no guilt with Perarivalan. He should have known because as CM, his opinion was sought by the MHA before recommendations were drafted and he had access to facts. All that Mu. Ka is demanding is that these three had been in jail for too long and that is punishment enough. The SIT constituted to investigate the Sriperumbudur incident had many other honest persons too, apart from your contact. I am sure that they did not have to take it out on Perarivalan. To talk of 'Tamils' and 'non-Tamils' in this issue is a very dangerous game. Let us also remember that many Tamilians also died along with Rajiv Gandhi on that day and many more Tamilians (some of them purer than Mr. Vaiko et al) will live with permanent scars.


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