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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby chetak » 05 May 2017 08:57

Singha wrote:Khan did nothing while pak got it nukes
Khan will do nothing in turkeys case
Infact sections of khan will be happy to have another nuclear cats paw to block russia into black sea and other regional saber rattling...they will dare iran to go nuclear and hit them militarily and sanctions


I think that it was obama's considered plan to enable turkey to do this.

In trying to checkmate russia with a cuba type promimity nuke threat, obama has shafted the euro crazies. The flood of jehadi refugees into EU has eased the situation for the US and other countries like britain and australia.

obama's heroic antics with the ISIS has helped turkey by allowing it to take a front and center position on the ingress of refugees and the subsequent blackmail that erdogan is indulging in to get money out of the european states.

His now swollen head is making him think that he can interfere in the cashmere issue to help out his paki plans and keep them happy when he makes his nuke purchase bid.

He has the chinese option as well. The hans will gladly sell their mothers to make some money and giving a boost to their rapidly tanking economy.

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Postby rsingh » 05 May 2017 10:43

What about Israeli security?

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Postby Bhurishravas » 08 May 2017 20:55

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey ... sCatID=352
Turkey has an agreement in place to support a base in Qatar with 500 troops.
A Turkish military base to be deployed in Qatar will be headquartered in Doha and lead by Qatari-Turkish generals, top official has said after sessions at parliament’s Foreign Affairs Commission.
“Within the framework of the agreement, it is envisaged that a joint Turkish-Qatar divisional tactical headquarters should be established, that its place should be in Doha, that the commander of the unit is to be a major general and a Qatari, and that the commander assistant is to be a brigadier and Turkish,” said Defense Ministry Deputy Undersecretary Major Ihsan Bülbül.

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Postby Singha » 08 May 2017 22:43

rsingh wrote:What about Israeli security?


Turkey and israel have close ties

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Postby Bhurishravas » 11 May 2017 04:07

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... SKBN1861YK
Turkey and Pakistan have signed a memorandum of understanding for the sale of four Turkish made corvette warships and 52 Pakistan-made training planes for Ankara's armed forces, Turkey's defense industry undersecretariat said on Wednesday.
Karachi Shipyard (KS&EW) will buy four corvettes made under Turkey's MILGEM warship program, aimed at designing and building locally a fleet of multipurpose corvettes and frigates that will replace older ships.

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Postby ramana » 24 Aug 2017 01:17

We need to understand Turkey better.

Its going to be a new lynch pin in the coming decades.
In the near geographical region it will be important in Syria.
In Europe as a NATO member.
Its changing alliances with Russia due to Syrian situation.

Above all its beacon to ummah in the Islamist world.

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Postby ramana » 08 Sep 2017 04:01

Putin has managed to wean off Turkey from the West.
Turkey is largest ground troops contributor to NATO.
And a pivot to Middle East.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 08 Sep 2017 04:07

Bhurishravas wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-pakistan-defence-idUSKBN1861YK
Turkey and Pakistan have signed a memorandum of understanding for the sale of four Turkish made corvette warships and 52 Pakistan-made training planes for Ankara's armed forces, Turkey's defense industry undersecretariat said on Wednesday.
Karachi Shipyard (KS&EW) will buy four corvettes made under Turkey's MILGEM warship program, aimed at designing and building locally a fleet of multipurpose corvettes and frigates that will replace older ships.


Turkey has lots of tech to share with Pakistan. At some point, they will share the JSF tech with Pakistan to help balance India's 4G a/c. Note the conversation Erdogan has with Suu Kyi. They want to play a role in our backyard.

They are not friends.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 08 Sep 2017 04:08

Singha wrote:
rsingh wrote:What about Israeli security?


Turkey and israel have close ties


On the ropes. With Namo's visit, the Turkish option has cooled given the Islamist bent of Erdogan.

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Postby Shanmukh » 19 Mar 2018 04:21

Turkey's semi official paper wants 5 million `Army of Islam' to use against Israel.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2018/03/army-of-i ... -military/

I had opined earlier that this was what would happen, i.e., that when the dust settled down in West Asia, the winner of the regional conflicts would lead the `Army of Islam' (in whatever form) against Israel. The existence of the infidel occupying the holy land will never be tolerated.

For those who appreciate history, this is precisely what happened during the Crusades. The Crusaders would keep allying with the weaker Muslim states until the weaker Muslim states fell under the stronger Muslim state. And then the entire `Army of Islam' turned on the Crusaders. Of course, it is too early to predict the outcome this time, but the Israelis will come under serious attack sooner rather than later.

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Postby Shanmukh » 19 Mar 2018 04:41

#All I am actually curious about this. The Ottoman Sultan's avowed intention is to restore the Ottoman empire. Once he has got the Kurds under control in Iraq, Syria, etc, can he expand in the other direction, i.e., Europe into Bulgaria or maybe even Ukraine?

Wiki chacha tells me that two provinces in south Bulgaria (Karadzhali and Smolyan) are Muslim majority. There is a third Muslim majority province in N Bulgaria (Razgrad), but it is smack in the middle of Bulgarian provinces (though they can probably make a pitch for S Dobrogea too).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Bulgaria

Can the Ottoman Sultan expand his rule into the Balkans so that he can connect with Muslim heavy Macedonia (35% Muslim) & Bosnia-Herzegovina & Albania? Can we have a new Ottoman sultanate from Mosul in the south-east to Sarajevo in the north-west? A return of the Turks to the plains of Mohacs in the next 100 years, maybe?

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Postby ricky_v » 14 Apr 2018 12:51

https://www.meforum.org/articles/2018/erdogan-s-shadow-army
Turkey is the latest country to enter this crucial, if shadowy, field. The SADAT Defense Consultancy, founded on February 28, 2012 by former Brigadier General Adnan Tanriverdi, is Ankara’s instrument in this area. Its activities are testimony both to the changing nature of the Turkish state, and to the process by which power and influence are currently built and held in the Middle East.

So, to SADAT: According to its website, the company’s mission is to ‘establish a Defensive Collaboration and Defensive Industrial Cooperation among Islamic Countries to help Islamic World take the place where it merits among Super Powers by providing Consultancy and Training Services.’

The Turkish version of the website sounds a little less like a run of the mill private military contracting firm. Western states are described as ‘imperialist’, ‘crusader’ countries.

SADAT’s founder Adnan Tanriverdi is an artillery officer who later specialized in asymmetric warfare. A former head of the Home Front Command in Northern Cyprus, he was expelled from the army because of his Islamist convictions in 1997. Tanriverdi’s ties to President Recep Tayepp Erdogan and the circles of the ruling AKP are of long standing.

A recent analysis by longtime Turkey-watcher Michael Rubin for American Enterprise Institute noted eyewitness reports of armed SADAT personnel involved in the suppression of the coup attempt of July 2016. The failed coup heralded the beginning of a comprehensive attempt by the Turkish president to re-make the Turkish armed forces along lines more amenable to himself.

As part of this process, hundreds of officers dismissed for Islamist leanings are being reinstated.
And as part of this process, Adnan Tanriverdi was himself appointed Chief Military Advisor to the President in late 2016.

SADAT has been heavily involved in Turkey’s training of Syrian Sunni Arab rebels for the fight against Assad. The company established a number of facilities in the Marmara region for this purpose at the beginning of The Syrian rebellion in northern Syria is today only able to survive because of the support of Turkey. SADAT has played a key role in the development and facilitation of this relationship.

the Syrian war. According to a 2012 report in the oppositionist Aydinlik newspaper,at least one of these training facilities was located at a Turkish military base in the Golcuk district of Kocaeli, formerly maintained as a training center by the Turkish Navy.

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Postby ricky_v » 14 Apr 2018 12:54

A bit dated article
https://www.meforum.org/articles/2018/erdogan-s-unrequited-arab-love
Erdogan's Islamist militarism, in a nation that lost an empire a century ago, still finds millions of followers. At another party congress on March 11, thousands of fans in blue commando berets greeted Erdogan. The president lamented the loss of the Ottoman Empire: "Our (Turkey's) land is 780,000 square kilometres. We came down to this from 18 million square kilometres". "Take us to Afrin," the crowd said to Erdogan, referring to the Kurdish enclave in northern Syria, now the target of a vicious Turkish military campaign.

All the same, the Middle East is more complicated than Erdogan thinks it is. Erdogan's powerful Islamist ideology has prompted him to reverse the prevailing anti-Arab stereotypes in the Turkish society. While the Arabs are proud of their revolt against the Ottoman Empire in alliance with Western powers at the beginning of the 20th century, Erdogan claimed that "Arabs stabbed us in the back was a lie". The reality is much different than what Erdogan wishes to believe.

In the meantime, Erdogan's "Arab friends" are showing signs of hostility, one after the other. Amid growing tensions between Turkey and Egypt, Egyptian authorities are revising street names in Cairo in view of calls to change historical Ottoman-era street names. The move came after an Egyptian academic branded the Ottoman rulers "colonizers" and a street named after Ottoman Sultan Selim I was changed. Cairo's deputy governor, Mohamed Ayman, said: "It is totally illogical that our streets be called after Ottoman figures when our country has people who deserve this honor much more". In recent weeks, public and social media initiatives in Egypt began calling on consumers to stop buying Turkish products.

At the beginning of March, the Dubai-based, Saudi-owned MBC, the largest private media network in the Middle East, decided to ban popular Arabic-dubbed Turkish television series' from all channels.

The Arab blow to Turkish drama had an explanation. Saudi Arabia's crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, created a new "axis of evil" identifying his country's top three enemies: Iran, Turkey and Islamic militant groups including Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, both of which Erdogan embraces. Salman is now the Kingdom's top diplomat, defense minister and heir to the crown.

All that echoed in the Gulf, as well. A senior United Arab Emirates (UAE) official said that Turkey's policy toward neighboring Arab states was not reasonable and advised Ankara to respect their sovereignty. UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash tweeted:

"It is no secret that Arab-Turkish relations aren't in their best state. In order to return to balance, Ankara has to respect Arab sovereignty and deal with its neighbors with wisdom and rationality".

There is more than enough evidence that Erdogan should take into consideration if he intends to enjoy his fake love affairs with his Arab neighbors. But his ambitions to make Turkey leader of the ummah seem to have blinded him. Unfortunately, there is little evidence he will adopt reason instead of regional bullying.

Comparing Erdogan to Zia ul-Haq, Pakistan's military dictator between 1978 and 1988, Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistani ambassador to Washington, said:"Erdogan has taken the Pakistani formula of mixing hard-line nationalism with religiosity. Zia imposed Islamic laws by decree, amended the constitution, marginalized secular scholars and leaders, and created institutions for Islamization that have outlasted him. Erdoğan is trying to do the same in Turkey."

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Postby arun » 14 Aug 2018 09:14

X Posted from the Terroristan thread.

Reality that the LHTEC engines have the involvement of a US company, namely Honeywell, dawns regards the T129 ATAK deal 8) .

The Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is financing the deal by taking on debt from Brotherly Turkey who themselves are racing against Pakistan to see who will be the first to borrow from the IMF :roll: . IMF should keep a close watch to ensure IMF Funds are not used to finance this deal by either Turkey or Pakistan.

Is it any wonder that that a Turkish contestant on the Turkeys version of KBC thought the Great Wall of China was maybe in India ( Where is The Great Wall of China? Woman on Turkish Version of KBC Used 2 Lifelines for This : Is it... India? ) when “Turkish defense official” thinks Pakistan is “a country that has friendly relations with America “ :rotfl: :

Diplomatic row jeopardizes $1.5B helicopter deal between Turkey and Pakistan

By: Burak Ege Bekdil   11 hours ago

ANKARA, Turkey — An escalating diplomatic crisis between NATO allies Turkey and the United States may risk suspending a $1.5 billion deal between Turkey and Pakistan for the sale of 30 Turkish-made T129 ATAK helicopter gunships.

The T129 is being produced by Turkish Aerospace Industries under license from the Italian-British company AgustaWestland.

“The problem is related with the U.S.-made parts for which TAI will need U.S. export licenses in order to materialize the deal,” a Turkish aerospace official said.

The T129, based on its predecessor A129 Mangusta, is a twin-engine multirole attack helicopter. The T129 is powered by two LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines. Each engine can produce 1,014 kilowatts of output power. The T800-4A is an export version of the CTS800 engine. LHTEC is a joint venture between the American firm Honeywell and the British company Rolls-Royce.

“Apparently we shall need U.S. export licenses to go ahead with the T129 deal,” a senior procurement official said. “This is not a technological or financial matter but is purely political at the moment.” ………………………..

“This is a commercial deal (with Pakistan) with a country that has friendly relations with America :lol: . For Washington what matters should be the recipient of the systems, not who produces it and if relations are bumpy with the producer country,” a Turkish defense official said. “Why should the Americans punish Pakistan for their disagreements with Turkey?” :((

A TAI official said a U.S. embargo on the chopper deal was unlikely because it would also hurt a U.S. company as well as two British companies and one Italian. “These are not enemy producers,” he said. “They are on the ally side. And we (TAI) are not being sanctioned by the U.S. or any other ally country.”

A U.S. diplomat in Ankara refused to comment. …………………….


To finance one of the country’s largest defense and aerospace export contracts, Turkey offered Pakistan a $1.5 billion credit line in 2017, but the deal’s payment terms are unknown. ………….


From Defense News:

Diplomatic row jeopardizes $1.5B helicopter deal between Turkey and Pakistan

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Postby Philip » 14 Aug 2018 21:18

The Turkish " delight" gone sour must reminx all that we too will bd v.vulnerable if we continue to buy US milware.
The day the erratic US declares India a rogud state, kaput goes our US made milware, LCA too.Its why I've for over a decade advised other western aero- engine options for LCA prototypes in case defence relationz with the US head south in the future.

Turkey is deliberately being shafted becos of its growing relations with Russia.India is dangerously close to joining it if the cretins in the US decide to punish us.Pak is fortunately far ahead of us in the Q!

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Postby Katare » 15 Aug 2018 00:19

Turkey, was the only secular Muslim majority country but that has changed under Erdogans disastrous rule. Turkey has completed the u turn to become a full fledged terrorist loving Islamic republic. It is now being treated like what it has chosen to become. All rogue states have great patronage from Russia and China so Turkey obviously has no where to go but into Putin's lap.

As far as US sanctions go, they have started to bite from the reverse direction too. You buy Russian arms and you get sanctions. Massa is the defacto big dog of the world and we need to buy some more time to grow our teeth before we start to show them around. Couple more decades and we'll be strong enough to hurt anyone going against Indian interests.

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Postby nam » 15 Aug 2018 00:24

Happen to see some Turkish kit (attack heli, trainer, A2G weapon etc) in one of the air show and I have to say they were quite TFTA.

Having access to European & American tech, has enabled them to create quite a advanced MIC. Not good for us, as Paks having access to such tech would enable them to constantly undercut any overwhelming tech advantage we may create.

So this mess is in our favor.

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Postby ramana » 15 Aug 2018 00:45

Philip wrote:The Turkish " delight" gone sour must remind all that we too will be v.vulnerable if we continue to buy US milware.
The day the erratic US declares India a rogue state, kaput goes our US made milware, LCA too.Its why I've for over a decade advised other western aero- engine options for LCA prototypes in case defence relationz with the US head south in the future.


Turkey is deliberately being shafted becos of its growing relations with Russia.India is dangerously close to joining it if the cretins in the US decide to punish us.Pak is fortunately far ahead of us in the Q!


Struck out all India related refs in teh post.
For once can we not bring in India into the mix?

Turkey souring with US which is its main benefactor since WWII, is good for India.
Turkey has been backdoor for Pakistan with all sorts of NATO level training and spares.
Mushy thinks he is half Turkish. Maybe towel.

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Postby Lisa » 15 Aug 2018 02:26

For those who don't know what the final straw was,

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... soner-swap

Trump asked Israel to release alleged Hamas smuggler in prisoner swap with Turkey: report

Turks=Europeanised pukis. They broke their part of the bargain but did not bargain that the American may have a bite. Could not wish such misery on a better nation-except the pukis!

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Postby chanakyaa » 15 Aug 2018 04:14

If Err-do-gand wanted to do a deal of exchanging each other's trash, why would he trade the pastor for a low-level Turkish national held in Esrael on dubious charges, instead of Fart-hullah Goolen? Considering Fart-hullah Goolen's profile comes up as "stateless".

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Postby Lisa » 15 Aug 2018 14:24

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... nal-crisis

Andrew Brunson: the US pastor at the heart of an international crisis

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Postby Virendra » 15 Aug 2018 19:34

Problem is, one increasingly isolated leader (Trump) has trapped another one (Erdogan).
If Erdogan feels trapped, he will choose to fight. If he chooses to fight, we may see another front opened in the middle east.
If his grip on Turkey wasn't this strong, it wouldn't be a matter of worry.
If Trump's grip on his own power wasn't slipping, it again wouldn't be a matter of worry.
Erdogan has already been playing victim against EU.

Insecure leaders with great power at their disposal, are like cornered cats. Extremely dangerous.

However, it is quite interesting how his relations with Russia took a U turn so soon after shooting the Russian fighters down during latter's Syria campaign.
Who knows, he might quickly come around to the west as well. But on what grounds?

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Postby disha » 15 Aug 2018 20:33

All mongrels to justify their power in India called themselves mughals and related themselves to turkey.

All of turkic court practices were followed to tee in India, but the court language itself ended up being styled on persian!

Glad that turkey is going turkey. There is no such thing as "secular and equatable democratic islamic nation".

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Postby ramana » 15 Aug 2018 21:56

Virendra wrote:Problem is, one increasingly isolated leader (Trump) has trapped another one (Erdogan).
If Erdogan feels trapped, he will choose to fight. If he chooses to fight, we may see another front opened in the middle east.
If his grip on Turkey wasn't this strong, it wouldn't be a matter of worry.
If Trump's grip on his own power wasn't slipping, it again wouldn't be a matter of worry.
Erdogan has already been playing victim against EU.

Insecure leaders with great power at their disposal, are like cornered cats. Extremely dangerous.

However, it is quite interesting how his relations with Russia took a U turn so soon after shooting the Russian fighters down during latter's Syria campaign.
Who knows, he might quickly come around to the west as well. But on what grounds?

Regards,
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Erdogan is bringing a pen knife to a howitzer fight.

Turkey problems are its high leveraged debt economy. The debt is due to corporate and not sovereign debt. So funds are exiting.

So as Lira goes down vis a vis $ (due to interest rate hikes in US) and the tariff wars on Turkey to influence their decision to hold the pastor whom Trump needs to be released to show his base he cares, Turkey problems are compounding.

To be honest I don't care if they tank for they are an antediluvian society masquerading in a veneer of modernity to get economic benefits of European rebuilding after WWII.

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Postby Philip » 16 Aug 2018 09:59

Turkey is unlikely to throw in the proverbial "towel".The would be Ottoman Sultan is a megalomaniac , same mould as Trump.The EU under no circumstances will admit the Turks into their family and further destroy their fragile union beseiged by Islamic refugees.Putin must be laughing in the Kremlin at Turkey's plight.

Hubris fof the upstart "Sultan", well deserved.The declining eco fortunes of Turkey and Pak is cause for satisfaction, as both terrorist sponsors need their come-uppance.The Sultan and Captain can now sail in the same leaky boat together .

Both cases remind one not to embrace Uncle Sam too tightly.He uses smaller nations and their non- white leaders like a condom.To be discarded after serving its purpose.It's going to be fun to see how both Islamic "birthers" wriggle out of their difficulties.

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Postby Virendra » 16 Aug 2018 21:08

Agreed, but that doesn't mean Turkey's problems won't cause ripples in middle east.
Erdogan will try his best to hurt US/EU one way or the other, just to show his size to his people.
People and Powers alike, cause more damage and ruckus on their way down; than up.
This holds true for leaders of US, Turkey and holds true for the countries as well.

That said, Turkey's problems do help to keep the "peacefuls" bloc stay in disarray and divisions.

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Postby Suraj » 16 Aug 2018 23:28

Turkey external debt situation in one picture:
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Postby Lisa » 17 Aug 2018 00:03

US threatens new Turkey sanctions unless jailed pastor released

https://www.rt.com/usa/436142-mnuchin-n ... sanctions/

"Trump also complained about Ankara’s ingratitude in light of the fact that he had secured the release of an imprisoned Turkish national from a country he did not name."

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Postby putnanja » 17 Aug 2018 07:53

Lisa wrote:US threatens new Turkey sanctions unless jailed pastor released

https://www.rt.com/usa/436142-mnuchin-n ... sanctions/

"Trump also complained about Ankara’s ingratitude in light of the fact that he had secured the release of an imprisoned Turkish national from a country he did not name."


Too lazy to search for the link. But apparently, a Turkish person was held in Israel, and US worked with Israel to have that person returned to Turkey, which Turkey had mentioned would help in releasing the US pastor too. But Turkey proved they are masters at pakiness....

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Postby chola » 17 Aug 2018 08:10

LOL. Erdogan actually thought he could paki Trump and not get his whole damn economy punched in the head.

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Postby Karthik S » 17 Aug 2018 08:15

Merkel is going to help Erdogan for obvious reason: Avoid more refugees.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/10 ... r-exchange


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