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Postby Rony » 21 May 2020 07:23

Turkish drones again. This time in Libya. Russian Pantsir's seems to be their favorite targets.

A secretive proxy drone war just exploded in Libya

Initially, Haftar had the upper hand. He got arms and some drones from the Gulf. These included Chinese Wing Loong 2 drones. Last year, he launched an offensive to take Tripoli. But Turkey upped its arming of the GNA and sent armored vehicles, mercenaries from Syria and drones. Turkey’s drones are credited with turning the tide of the war.

The blunting of the LNA and the taking of Watiya on May 18 represents a setback for Haftar and his allies. It is a major embarrassment for Moscow. Several Russian-made Pantsir air-defense systems have been destroyed by the GNA offensive. The Pantsir is a truck-based, air-defense system that has missiles and radar to deal with shorter-range targets.

Turkey’s intervention could be a decisive blow, observers note. This could be true, but it could also be part of Turkey’s well-oiled lobbying machine that seeks to portray Ankara as invincible and capable of projecting power via bombing and attacks into Iraq, Syria and the rest of the Middle East.


One report notes that in just two days the GNA destroyed several Russian Pantsir systems, a Wing Loong UAV and an electronic-warfare system. Meanwhile, the LNA has boasted over the last weeks to have downed numerous Turkish drones. Turkish social-media accounts say the Bayraktar TB2 drone hunted down the Russian air-defense systems.

Bayraktar is a drone company built by a young pioneering drone creator named Selcuk Bayraktar in Turkey. Bayraktar also married the Turkish president’s daughter Sumeyye Erdogan in 2016. There are also apparently Anka-S model drones active in Libya, supplied by Turkey. In just 10 years the Bayraktars have transformed Turkey. Erdogan’s family is married to the drones, and he gambled by deploying it to Libya. It has shown itself to be the new face of drone warfare in the Middle East, the way the Predator once was.

The question now is whether Russia, the UAE and others will increase their aid to the LNA. The LNA needs technical training to deal with the drones, and if it is facing off against Turkish experts flying the drones, it would need advisers as well. So far, it appears it got the weapons piecemeal, a process that may have led to failure at Watiya.

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Postby Avtar Singh » 21 May 2020 15:01

For India the ducks are lining up nicely; pak/turk/chin

here is a program on NATO alliance, take note of comment by french lady…
these feelings are spreading throughout Europe/UK wrt to mentioned countries.
Among the populace at least much to the chagrin of the elites…
chin shills/those bought and paid for.


https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/4745 ... expansion/
29 nov 2019
NATO obsolete for fighting the new danger

notice what french lady has to say
@23.00
lavelle asks;
very quickly short of time, should turkey stay in nato alliance?
French lady;
if we have decided that NATO is outdated and we want more of an european defence
WE DONE WANT TURKEY, WE DONT WANT TURKEY,
I mean I dont want personally so that is that…… very short

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Postby chanakyaa » 21 May 2020 19:39

Hope part of it does not end up in the pockets of bhookha nanga
Qatar offers Turkey relief by tripling FX swap line to $15bn
ISTANBUL: Turkey secured a tripling of its currency-swap agreement with Qatar to $15 billion, the central bank said on Wednesday, providing some much-needed foreign funding to reinforce its depleted reserves and help steady the Turkish lira...(more)

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Postby Rony » 21 May 2020 23:05

Turkish conspiracy theories

Turkey is sitting on vast amounts of the mineral boron, whose extraction is prevented by foreign forces and the novel coronavirus was created by the Chinese government among the leading conspiracy theories believed by Turks, according to a news survey by pollster İstanbul Ekonomi Araştırma (IE).

A total of 47.2 percent of those surveyed said foreign powers prevented Turkey from benefiting from its boron mines while 39.5 percent said COVID-19 was a laboratory concoction of Beijing, T24 new site said, citing the IE survey.

Turkey has the world’s largest reserves of boron and is the mineral’s biggest exporter. The mineral found in food and the environment is used in supplements as medicine.

The novel coronavirus outbreak began in Wuhan, China, in December, has expanded to touch nearly every corner of the globe, claiming the lives of over 300,000.

That Turkey’s Lausanne Treaty had secret clauses, which would come into effect in 2023, was another conspiracy theory, which 38.5 percent said they believed, according to the survey conducted with 1,537 people in 12 provinces across the country.


More on the Turk's anxieties and conspiracy theories on Lausanne Treaty from a 2014 FP article

Some Turkish pundits are looking ahead to more serious foreign-policy challenges — like what will happen in 2023 when the Treaty of Lausanne expires and Turkey’s modern borders become obsolete. In keeping with secret articles signed by Turkish and British diplomats at a Swiss lakefront resort almost a century ago, British troops will reoccupy forts along the Bosphorus, and the Greek Orthodox patriarch will resurrect a Byzantine ministate within Istanbul’s city walls.

Of course, none of this will actually happen. The Treaty of Lausanne has no secret expiration clause. But it’s instructive to consider what these conspiracy theories, trafficked on semi-obscure websites and second-rate news shows, reveal about the deeper realities of Turkish foreign policy, especially under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s pro-Islam Justice and Development Party (AKP).

After defeating the Ottoman Empire in World War I, Britain, France, Italy, and Greece divided Anatolia, colonizing the territory that is now Turkey. However, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk reorganized the remnants of the Ottoman army and thwarted this attempted division through shrewd diplomacy and several years of war. Subsequently, the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne recognized Ataturk’s victory and established the borders of modern Turkey. Lausanne then became part of the country’s foundational myth. For a time it even had its own holiday, Lausanne Day, when children dressed in costumes representing contested regions of Anatolia for elementary school plays.

With the Treaty of Lausanne so embedded in the Turkish state’s ideology, it is no surprise that conspiracies about it are ideologically loaded and vary according to the partisan affiliation of the individual conspiracy-monger. Erdogan’s critics tend to be more focused on the risks Turkey faces when Lausanne expires. Conspiracy-minded secularists have always worried that Erdogan is working with the European Union to establish an independent Kurdistan or perhaps dig a new Bosphorus to secure American ships’ access to the Black Sea, or really doing anything else possible to undermine the sovereignty Ataturk secured for Turkey. Some of Erdogan’s supporters, by contrast, are more optimistic about Lausanne’s expiration, in part based on a strain of recent historical revisionism suggesting that Ataturk actually could have gotten a much better deal during the negotiations had he not been in league with the Europeans — not preserved the whole Ottoman Empire, necessarily, but at least held on to a bit more of Greek Thrace and maybe the oil fields of Mosul. Where Ataturk once criticized the Ottoman sultan for failing to defend Turkish territory in the face of Western aggression, Islamists have now borrowed this charge for use against Ataturk.


In the realm of Turkish domestic politics, talk about “the end of Lausanne” reflects the fears of some and the hopes of others that with former prime minister, now president, Erdogan’s consolidation of power over the last decade, Turkey has embarked on a second republic — what Erdogan calls “New Turkey.” Supporters believe this new incarnation of the Turkish state will be free of the authoritarianism that defined Ataturk’s republic; critics worry it will be bereft of Ataturk’s secularism.

Still, the persistence of the end-of-Lausanne myth shows the extent to which New Turkey will be indebted to the ideology of the old one. Turkish Islamists have certainly inherited the conspiratorial nationalism found among many secularists, complete with the suspicion of Euro-American invasions and Christian-Zionist plots. (Is it any coincidence Lausanne is in Switzerland, a center of world Zionism?) While the secularist fringe speculated that Erdogan was a secret Jew using moderate Islam to weaken Turkey on Israel’s orders, many in the AKP’s camp now imagine that all Erdogan’s problems are caused by various international conspiracies seeking to block Turkey’s meteoric rise.

In the realm of foreign policy, though, these conspiracies belie a deeper truth: Despite the current violence to Turkey’s south, the borders enshrined in the Treaty of Lausanne are more secure than they have ever been. And the AKP was the first government to fully realize this. While Erdogan has often stoked nationalist paranoia for political gain, as when he claimed foreign powers were behind popular anti-government protests, the AKP’s foreign policy was the first to reflect a serious awareness of Turkey’s newfound political and economic power, not to mention the security that comes with it. Beneath all the bizarre rhetoric and paranoia, the AKP realized that Turkey has finally moved beyond an era in its foreign policy defined by the need to defend what was won at Lausanne.

After the Treaty of Lausanne was signed, Turkey’s main geopolitical aim was the preservation of its territorial integrity. In the 1920s and 1930s, the threat came from European powers like fascist Italy. In response, Turkish statesmen embraced a perilous neutrality, controversially staying out of World War II from fear that joining either side would invite a Russian or German invasion. During the Cold War, the Soviet Union emerged as a uniquely imminent threat, leading Turkey to abandon its neutrality and join NATO.

When the Cold War ended, a new threat to Turkey’s borders emerged: a guerrilla war launched by the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). This threat helped unite Turkey with Israel over a shared belief that comfortable Western liberals would never understand why, in a dangerous neighborhood, killing terrorists — be they Kurdish or Palestinian — took precedence over human rights. In fact, Turkey entered the 21st century much like Israel: a regional power with a self-perception based on the fear and insecurity that circumscribed its founding.
Amid fevered criticism of the war in Gaza this summer, it was striking to see a few Turkish writers offer advice to Israel about the benefits Turkey has found in overcoming this self-perception.



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Postby Cain Marko » 16 Jul 2020 15:24

So erdogand decides to reconvert hagia Sophia into a mosque. Hope MEA doesn't miss the opportunity to shame shame the turkeys.

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Postby Sanju » 16 Jul 2020 23:59

Twitter

Megh Updates
Police cars revolving light
@MeghUpdates
BIG : Reportedly , Turkey UAV has B0mbed Russian Communication centre in Syria

Injuries reported , some critical

Russians angry and calling Putin to retaliate
12:39 pm · 16 Jul 2020·Twitter for Android

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Postby nam » 17 Jul 2020 02:16

UAE had apparently bombed Turkish SAM on a Libyan airbase few days back. There was also reports that it was French Rafale, some say Egpytian jets.

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Postby Aditya_V » 17 Jul 2020 11:58

Sanju wrote:Twitter

Megh Updates
Police cars revolving light
@MeghUpdates
BIG : Reportedly , Turkey UAV has B0mbed Russian Communication centre in Syria

Injuries reported , some critical

Russians angry and calling Putin to retaliate
12:39 pm · 16 Jul 2020·Twitter for Android


The way the Turks operate, if they have bombed something with their UAV's- they would have put video evidence of it. This more looks like a Twitter bombing.

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Postby ricky_v » 22 Jul 2020 13:38

https://archive.is/H9nI0
Turkish resource surveys to the south and east of the Greek island of Kastellorizo ​​will commence today and will occur until August 2, Attaleia (Ἀττάλεια, Turkish: Antalya) hydrographic service in Turkey announced, as already reported by Greek City Times.
This has provoked a major escalation in the Greek-Turkish crisis in the Aegean as Turkey has dispatched at least 17 warships from the Aksaz Naval Base in Physkos (Φύσκος, Turkish: Marmaris), Militaire reported.
In the airspace of Kastellorizo, fierce air battles are taking place with the Turks making overflights.
With this escalation, military personnel who had plans to take time off, have had their permits and requests suspended.

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Postby Rony » 27 Jul 2020 17:30

Turkey’s Defense Industry Has Come A Long Way, But Ankara Still Relies Heavily On Foreign Suppliers

In recent years, Turkey’s defense industry has proven itself capable of designing and manufacturing a variety of increasingly sophisticated weapon systems. Turkish officials boast that these capabilities are bringing an end to the country’s reliance on foreign sources and suppliers for its military hardware.

In reality, Turkey is still heavily reliant on foreign sources for a great deal of its military hardware and technology and will remain so for quite some time.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan declared that Turkey plans to eliminate all dependency on foreign suppliers for its defense industry by 2023, the centennial of the foundation of the Turkish republic.

Turkey is not going to be able to end such dependencies by 2023 or even by the end of this decade. This is because the country still requires a highly substantive amount of foreign expertise, hardware and technology for the majority of its military projects.

Take Turkey’s MILGEM national warship project, which is supplying the Turkish Navy with new multipurpose frigates as well as corvettes that each specialize in different roles such as anti-air and anti-submarine warfare. The project is impressive and ambitious and has increased the Turkish Navy’s size and strength.

However, this national warship project is far from being a wholly indigenous one since only 60 percent of its production is local. Also, the upcoming TCG Anadolu, the amphibious assault ship (LHD) that will become the Turkish Navy’s flagship, has the same design as Spain’s Juan Carlos I but will be fitted with Turkish-built systems.

Turkey’s T129 ATAK attack helicopter conspicuously resembles the AgustaWestland A129 because it is, of course, based on that established airframe but outfitted with Turkish-made avionics and weapons.

Nevertheless, its reliance on foreign hardware for building the ATAK was brought home to Turkey when it tried to arrange a deal to sell Pakistan a fleet of 30 T129s for $1.5 billion only to be reminded it needed U.S. export licenses to do so since the helicopter contains U.S.-built engine parts.

Turkey’s upcoming Altay main battle tank, which it hopes to build large numbers of to replace its older fleet of Leopard II and M60 Patton tanks as well as sell to other countries, is heavily based on the South Korean K2 Black Panther. Turkey’s T-155 Fırtına artillery guns are also based on the South Korean K-9 Thunder system built under license with Turkish components and modifications.

The majority of the Turkish defense industry’s projects are very heavily based on existing foreign designs with local modifications, which most certainly doesn’t make them indigenous systems but rather license-built Turkish variants of foreign systems. Turkey has built F-16s under license for years but never acted as if it conceived, designed, and then built those fighter jets from scratch.

"It is not easy to assess precisely the extent to which Turkey's defense industry is meeting the national military needs," said defense analyst Yvonni-Stefania Efstathiou. "Yet what Turkey usually calls indigenous systems are, in reality, license-produced or based on imported sub-components."

Turkey got suspended from the fifth-generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program by the United States after it controversially bought sophisticated S-400 air defense missiles from Russia and began taking delivery of them last year.

That suspension may well have ended any possibility that Ankara can possess a fifth-generation fighter jet for at least another decade. Erdogan has claimed that Turkey can complete its own TAI TF-X project or buy Russian Su-57s in the near future but neither of these options are as feasible as he suggests.

Turkey faces many obstacles to making the TF-X a successful fifth-generation fighter jet, arguably the main one being designing and building a proper engine for it.

In 2018, Turkey announced its decision to power the TF-X’s prototype with standard General Electric GE -2.6% F110 engines as “a stopgap solution” until it builds a much more advanced engine that will adequately meet the various requirements of a fifth-generation jet.

A fifth-generation engine is absolutely essential for the development of an effective and stealthy fifth-generation jet. It’s also an extremely difficult thing to design and build. Russia has so far failed to build effective Izdeliye 30 engines for its Su-57, which is still little more than a prototype, despite over a decade of trying.

In 2017, Turkey and Britain signed a deal valued at roughly $130 million to develop the TF-X. However, Rolls-Royce dialed back its bid to work with Turkish defense firms to design and build the jet’s engine in 2019 over fears its intellectual property would be shared by Ankara with a third party.

Turkey expressed its willingness to renegotiate the terms of cooperation with Rolls-Royce in late 2019, probably out of recognition it will need all the help it can get to build a proper engine for the TF-X.

However, even a successful partnership with Rolls-Royce wouldn’t necessarily guarantee the design and manufacture of a fifth-generation engine for Turkey’s TF-X for many more years to come.

The only experience Rolls-Royce has to date in building a fifth-generation jet fighter engine was in a joint project with General Electric to develop the F136 turbofan engine for the F-35. However, that project was discontinued nearly a decade ago.

Even if Rolls-Royce could successfully help Turkey build a suitable engine for the TF-X, one military aviation expert expressed his doubts that the British defense contractor would provide Ankara with any “large-scale technology transfer of high-end military turbofan manufacturing techniques to develop domestic production capacity.”

In other words, Turkey still wouldn’t be able to build these engines for its first indigenous fighter jet without substantial foreign assistance and know-how.

In light of these examples, talk of Turkey ending its dependency on foreign sources and suppliers for its military projects is highly premature and will most likely remain so for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 27 Jul 2020 18:24

Islamists have been over the moon because Erdogan turned a museum into a mosque. They portrayed him as the symbol of defiance against the West, and a defender of Islam. In reality : he is sending Muslim Uighurs back to China, using a face-saving method.

How Turkey is sending Muslim Uighurs back to China without breaking its promise . Erdogan is helping China repatriate Muslim dissidents by sending them to third countries before they return


https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/128 ... 59429?s=20

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Postby wig » 30 Jul 2020 20:41

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 8Hv5N.html

Erdogan’s Turkey doesn’t stop at Kashmir barbs, funds radicalisation too: Official

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Indian officials said the Turkish government had funded Kashmir’s hardline separatist leader such as Syed Ali Shah Geelani for years. But it is the rapidly expanding scale of the effort that recently nudged security agencies to carry out an extensive review.

The Erdogan government has been funding religious seminars in India, recruiting fundamentalists to radicalise people and even take freshly-minted radicals on all-expense trips to Turkey to reinforce their learnings.


The security review also referred to a Kerala-based Islamist radical organisation that had been funds from Turkey for some time.

“We are also aware of some people from this group travelling to Qatar to meet some people from Turkey to seek funding for their activities,” a government official said. “That amounts as high as Rs 40 lakh are being offered to preach radical Islam in Kerala”. Besides, officials said Turkey, along with Pakistan, have also been funding Zakir Naik, the controversial Islamic preacher accused of radicalising muslims, via Qatar, a senior official said.

Turkey has become Pakistan’s “new Dubai” at a smaller scale, the official added, a reference to the United Arab Emirate’s city that used to be a second home to Pakistan’s ISI between 2000 and 2010 and the epicenter of anti-India activities in west Asia.

During this decade, Pakistan’s ISI was able to radicalise some Indians and turn them against their own country. It is also here that the founders of terror group Indian Mujahideen were first radicalised. Since 2014, however, the United Arab Emirates has turned into one of India’s closest partners with no protection or sanctuary for anyone indulging in anti-India activities.

Turkey also stepped in early this year when protests broke out over India’s amendment to the citizenship laws, not just to criticise the change that was perceived to potentially hurt the interests of muslims but also with money to keep the protests going, according to an intelligence assessment accessed by HT.

Indian security officials believe that much of this radicalisation effort being bankrolled by Ankara was being carried out in coordination with Pakistan’s deep state

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby JE Menon » 04 Aug 2020 16:49

https://swarajyamag.com/world/behind-an ... go-nuclear

Is Turkey Preparing to Go Nuclear?

Kindly Tweet if you find it worthwhile

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Postby Aditya_V » 04 Aug 2020 17:45

JE Menon wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/world/behind-an-emboldened-erdogan-is-turkey-preparing-to-go-nuclear

Is Turkey Preparing to Go Nuclear?

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If those Nukes are from China and Pakis, the Europeans will not like it as it will threaten the European heartland. What about American Nukes in Turkey?

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Postby JE Menon » 05 Aug 2020 01:51

The American ones at Incirlik are safe, if at all they are still there. There is no chance in hell the Turks will snatch them away from the Americans. Even Erdogandu is not that crazy.

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Postby Rony » 07 Aug 2020 06:27

wig wrote:https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/erdogan-s-turkey-doesn-t-stop-at-kashmir-barbs-funds-radicalisation-too-official/story-Ct1HpX1q0WLW0exZx8Hv5N.html

Erdogan’s Turkey doesn’t stop at Kashmir barbs, funds radicalisation too: Official


And yet this 'Hindu nationalist' govt gives them contracts for constructing our navy ships and access to our naval shipyards :roll:

and the turks will use the money they earn from India to fund Islamists in India. Ack thoo.

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Postby JE Menon » 08 Aug 2020 13:37

I think it's been put on ice Rony.

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Postby Manish_P » 08 Aug 2020 14:01

Not as per this article from 28th July 2020.. but for once i hope that the MoD goes and puts a spanner in the works..

Make in India: Indian and Turkish shipyards close contract for building FSS ships for the Indian Navy

The Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) is going ahead with Turkish shipyard partner M/S Anadolu shipyard after signing a contract with them for technical collaboration for enabling the shipyard to build five fleet support ships. Confirming this, a senior official said that “The total initial estimated project cost is about Rs 10,000 crore for the 45,000-ton fleet support ships (FSS) for the Indian Navy. The contract with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) is expected to be inked within the next 6-8 months.”

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Postby JE Menon » 11 Aug 2020 12:32

"expected to be inked" is the operative phrase. GoI/MEA has plenty of experience playing these games.

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Postby Cyrano » 11 Aug 2020 13:14

Turkey's rapprochement with Pakistan and Iran-China nexus have to be looked at from a nuclear proliferation angle.

A true Axis of Evil in the making, taking full advantage of an America riddled with internal strife, a disunited Europe, a defunct NATO.

Two more years of this and the world will be a much worse place. And India will face the brunt of it.

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Postby IndraD » 11 Aug 2020 22:46

JE Menon wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/world/behind-an-emboldened-erdogan-is-turkey-preparing-to-go-nuclear

Is Turkey Preparing to Go Nuclear?

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excellent take on rogue Turkey and its nuclear ambitions! Fantastic read, interesting to know how Turkey has riled up multiple neighbours like China

Thanks Jai Menon , there should be a like button.

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Postby Aditya_V » 12 Aug 2020 11:59

Turkey, if it starts treating its European neighbors backed by Chinese weapons through Pakistan like they have treated Syria and Iraq , will be the end to the free ride Turkey was going through. Turkey has benefited a lot economically through Nato, but if Ergodan is foolish enough he can doom his country.

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Postby JE Menon » 13 Aug 2020 17:46

IndraD wrote:
excellent take on rogue Turkey and its nuclear ambitions! Fantastic read, interesting to know how Turkey has riled up multiple neighbours like China

Thanks Jai Menon , there should be a like button.


Thanks for the kind words... I think there is no "like" button, but do retweet, facebook, etc. it if you can.

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Postby g.sarkar » 16 Aug 2020 14:01

https://eurasiantimes.com/china-pakista ... mic-world/
China, Pakistan Want Turkey To Replace Saudi Arabia As The Leader Of Islamic World?
In recent years, Turkey has been vehemently fighting for the leadership role in the Islamic world. The transformation of the Hagia Sophia from a museum to a mosque has smashed any hope for Ankara to join the European Union and has instead pulled it towards pan-Islamism.
China, Pakistan Want Turkey To Replace Saudi Arabia As The Leader Of Islamic World?
By Syed Shafiq, August 4, 2020

The foundation of current Turkish-Pakistani ties was laid around 1918-1922 with the emergence of the Khilafat movement in India. It aimed to prevent the division of the Ottoman Empire by Great Britain and defending the very idea of the Islamic Caliphate. The movement aimed to bring Muslims together with the Hindus to fight against a common enemy during the Independence struggle.
The Khilafat Movement was founded by Shaukat Ali, Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar, Hakim Ajmal Khan, and Abul Kalam Azad in 1919 to restore the Ottoman Caliphate, which was considered the leader of Sunni Muslims as an effective political authority.
In their manifesto, the Khilafat Movement called for a fight against the British imperialism. This attracted various social groups of the population (peasantry, artisans, workers, small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, Islamic clergy) toward the movement.
This uprising was anti-colonial and anti-feudal. However, after 1922, the transition of Turkey to a secular state under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk halted the Khilafat Movement. It later became an elite organization advocating communal separatism.
Since Muslims living in British India provided financial support to the Kemalists during the Turkish War of Independence, Ankara in 1947 immediately established diplomatic relations with the newly formed state of Pakistan. There was also a personal factor. The founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, spoke highly of Ataturk. President Pervez Musharraf, who came to power in 1999, did the same.
Both countries provide continuous support to each other at the international level. In 1974 Pakistan was the only country to support the Turkish operation in Cyprus.
In 2003, during talks with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said: “Whatever steps Turkey has outlined in relation to Northern Cyprus, we say that we support it without any reservations, we are 100% on the Turkish side”. President Pervez Musharraf also stated that “Pakistan fully supports the struggle of the Turkish Cypriots for their just cause”.
Despite the deterioration of bilateral relations in the 1990s (the reason being, Turkey supported the Northern Alliance, and Pakistan helped the Taliban), Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer announced his support for Pakistan in the Kashmir conflict in 2001.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan stated in June 2003: “We believe that Pakistan’s actions to resolve the Kashmir problem are very positive and we highly appreciate them. Turkey fully supports Pakistan over the Kashmir issue. The problem must be resolved as soon as possible. “
In February 2020, relations between Turkey and India deteriorated due to President Erdogan’s open support for Pakistan and the Kashmiri militants, as well as a pledge of the Turkish leadership to help Islamabad in the conflict with the Financial Action Task Force or the FATF (an intergovernmental organization that works to combat money laundering related to crime and terror financing).
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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Ambar » 17 Aug 2020 00:47

In other news in the middle of a global pandemic Amir Khan and his wife have traveled to Turkey of all places to shoot a new movie. While in Turkey Amir Khan met President Erdogan's wife Emine Erdogan. The hypocrite Khan has no problem travelling to and meeting the leaders of a country that openly funds, trains and supports the isis savages, where its current president has either killed off or imprisoned all his political rivals and former military leaders, have massacred thousands of Kurds and recently converted an ancient church into a mosque. I suppose Kiran Khan and Aamir Khan feel perfectly safe in such a country but not in India. I hope they stay back there for good.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby vimal » 17 Aug 2020 21:13

Complain all you must about Turkey but Aamir Khan is playing the role of Shri Krishna in a Bollywood movie. Heal thyself!

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby idan » 18 Aug 2020 14:57

Ambar wrote:In other news in the middle of a global pandemic Amir Khan and his wife have traveled to Turkey of all places to shoot a new movie. While in Turkey Amir Khan met President Erdogan's wife Emine Erdogan. The hypocrite Khan has no problem travelling to and meeting the leaders of a country that openly funds, trains and supports the isis savages, where its current president has either killed off or imprisoned all his political rivals and former military leaders, have massacred thousands of Kurds and recently converted an ancient church into a mosque. I suppose Kiran Khan and Aamir Khan feel perfectly safe in such a country but not in India. I hope they stay back there for good.


What about the hug?

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Aug 2020 17:37

This was in 2017- before Ergodan tirades against India- after his speeches last year the situation has changed.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Krita » 18 Aug 2020 18:00

idan wrote:]

What about the hug?

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Shivaji hugged Afzal Khan before putting a "Wagh Nakh" through his stomach.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 19 Aug 2020 08:36

India-Turkey Joint Naval Project Needs Review

Turkey’s nefarious inroads into India definitely have not emerged overnight. So how was the joint FSV project with Turkey cleared ? Is this a case of left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing or is there something more sinister? MEA may have given the go ahead hoping good relations with Turkey, which itself appears utopian and therefore flawed though MoD appears to have sought MEA clearance to cover themselves. But what about intelligence inputs of Turkish activities against India? Was clearance taken from the National Security Advisor who is the repository of all intelligence ?

Given the revelations of Erdogan’s design on India and Turkish activities in our country, how prudent is it to let Turkish officials and workers in HSL for months-years ? What about national security ?

We need to seriously examine the link between the businesses of lowest bidder (L1) and national security.
Despite its grossly anti-India stance, China has had a virtual free run in our sectors under L1, not to talk of Beijing’s political and economic coercion. We have only woken up after China’s aggression in Eastern Ladakh.

Turkey does not share land borders with us otherwise it too would have possibly mobilized troops in support of Pakistan and China. But Turkey’s activities indicate it is using asymmetric approaches against us in addition to intimate military cooperation with Pakistan. How then can we be lackadaisical in going or a joint naval project?

With Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s emphasis on ‘Atmanirbhar Bharat’, no doubt these FSV’s must be part of ‘Make in India’. But do they have to be made in HSL with Turkish assistance with the attendant dangers to national security ? There is always the red tape that any change means the whole process of procurement must start from the beginning which means the Navy getting these FSVs will be put back by that many more years. But considering the above developments, why can’t the L2 bid be chosen or alternatively HSL be allowed to pick up another partner in case there is a abhorrence to the project going to private sector ?

As for Erdogan’s radicalization and terror related activities in India, action must be taken against concerned organizations and NGOs in India and concerned Turkish organizations banned. Motive of Congress office in Turkey is dubious enough but visitors to Turkey must be screened-monitored and scholarships by Turkish institutions banned. Issue of an advisory on the subject is warranted. Sitting on the fence will be naïve.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 20 Aug 2020 18:49

All you need to know about the Greek-Turkish crisis in 2 minutes


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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby manju » 20 Aug 2020 20:01

Erdogan is a 11 Ping wannabe!!

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 24 Aug 2020 21:44

Paki like national psychology of "Turks" from Turkey

Turkish-born professor : Many Turks believe the bizarre narrative that they’re descended from Central Asia

the narrative of modern Turkish identity prevents them from identifying with the land they live on because Turkish citizens believe they are descended from Central Asian Turks, rather than Turkified natives of Anatolia. It is estimated that millions in Turkey today are Turkfied Greeks, Armenians and other Anatolian people who were Islamified and Turkified by the ruling Turkish elite.

This bizarre narrative is so strong that many Turkish people believe they are descendants of Turkic peoples from Central Asia, even though historians have long pointed out the population imbalance between agricultural civilizations and nomadic peoples (i.e. multiple waves of nomadic migration occurred over millennia, but settled people outnumber them by a vast margin) and that the number of Turkic peoples entering Anatolia was definitely less than 10% of its population, and more likely to be even a smaller fraction.

This is important to teach to people not because identity should be based on race, or dna, but because they process it this way. Unless this primitive, wrong-headed, and just wrong approach to Turkish identity is made to unravel, it is not possible for the majority of the Turkish people to truly, fully embrace their legacy, the legacy of their lands. When we have more people talking about being descendants of the Byzantines, Hellenistic synthesis, and the many native peoples of the land rather than claiming direct descent from Central Asia, we will have the beginning of a more inclusive, thorough construction of identity that prevents atrocities like this.

And to make it clear again, I am never suggesting that connecting dna to identity is a healthy way of doing things. But this is how most people process it, and their perspective does change when they receive results. So it is one way of unraveling the Central Asian mythos. The healthier way would be through education and a thorough discussion of how artificially modern Turkish identity was created, of course. Until we achieve this, this never-ending hunger for conquest will not end.

When many Turkish people look at the Hagia Sophia or Chora, they see something that belonged to the “other,” something that their ancestors vanquished and conquered to create space for their existence. If they saw them, felt them as part of their own souls, their own identities, and realized that the Ottomans themselves were in many ways a continuation of the Byzantines, who were the continuation of older syntheses of the land, how different their approach to their own legacy would be. Nothing changes attitudes like “ownership"

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby uddu » 24 Aug 2020 21:49

This is actually good. We could say that before moving to central Asia they started from India. :)

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 25 Aug 2020 19:12

Turkey has shortage of fighter pilots after Erdogan purged them. So they begged Pakis who are now flying some of the Turkish F-16s. The Greeks couldnt ask for more :rotfl:

Greek air force vs Turkish F-16s piloted by Pakis over the Aegean and the result is :rotfl:

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 25 Aug 2020 19:27

Meanwhile in the Eastern Mediterranean, Turkish drilling ship escorted by Turkish frigates entered disputed waters while Greek frigates were watching and trailing them. After a Greek frigate outmaneuvered a Turkish frigate which tried to collide with it and in turn rammed into it causing extensive damage to the Turkish frigate, Greek twitter is like :rotfl:

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Cain Marko » 29 Aug 2020 10:19


Really? India's response has so far been that of the proverbial weak, demoralized Hindoo. A country with such a massive economy and huge resource base can't even bring up the Armenian genocide in it's own parliament, let alone the UN.


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