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Rony wrote:Record number of Indians visit Turkey in June; footfalls cross 27,300
Factors like the ease of procuring visas for personal and leisure travel along with the resumption of direct flights by Turkish Airlines and Indigo could be some of the factors for this spurt in demand from India, it added.

Turkiye welcomed 5.2 crore travellers in 2019, touching USD 34.5 billion in tourism revenue.

Of these, 2.3 lakh were Indian nationals, which is the highest number of Indian travellers recorded visiting Turkiye to date, the data showed.
A few recent tourists to Turkiyewhom I know personally have all given a fairly negative review of the place. The economic problems have led to the locals like taxi drivers etc. resort to open fleecing of tourists and the attitude of the general public towards Indians have taken a definite turn for the worst.
Being one of the cheaper foreign destinations to visit, with decent sights, is what is leading to the large uptick in Indian tourists.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... de-deficit
Turkey Raises Inflation Estimates, Sees Record Trade Deficit
Ugur Yilmaz, September 4, 2022

Turkey raised the country’s full-year inflation forecast to 65%, a sign that soaring prices will remain an issue as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan attempts to focus on economic growth ahead of 2023 election.
The government sees the inflation rate slowing to about 25% next year, according to the new three-year Medium Term Program published in the Official Gazette on Sunday. In the same report a year ago, 2022 inflation was forecast to be just 9.8%. The Turkish central bank in July estimated 2022 year-end inflation at 60.4%.
Turkey’s current-account deficit is seen reaching 5.9% of GDP this year, fueled by an estimated trade deficit of $105 billion as energy prices soar.
Powered by Erdogan’s unorthodox monetary ideas, Turkey’s central bank has been on an easing cycle for almost a year, while globally central banks are imposing tightening policies. This has led Turkish inflation to accelerate to levels last seen in 1998.
The Turkish statistics agency will release inflation figures for August on Monday. Annual CPI is expected to climb to 81.2% in August from 79.6% the previous month, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of 15 analysts.
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https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/20 ... ty-deepens
Turkey’s inflation tops 80% as poverty deepens
Even though Turkey’s economy continued to expand in the second quarter, the share of payments to employees dropped to the lowest level since Erdogan’s party came to power two decades ago.
Mustafa Sonmez, September 5, 2022

With presidential and parliamentary polls less than a year away, Turkey’s government has bet on growth to contain popular grievances, but runaway inflation and a foreign-currency crunch is producing deeper poverty.
Consumer prices in Turkey rose 1.46% from July to August, official data showed Monday, with annual inflation surging to a 24-year high of 80.21%.
Inflation has soared since September 2021 amid the slump of the Turkish lira, fueled by unorthodox rate cuts by the central bank. The surge in global energy and commodity prices after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February has only made matters worse.
Heralding further inflationary pressures, the Turkish authorities announced fresh price hikes on gas and electricity on Sept. 1 — around 20% for households and around 50% for enterprises.
Energy expenses are a major item in the housing category of the inflation basket, in which prices rose 2% in August, bringing the annual rate to nearly 72%. Food prices rose around 0.9% in August, with annual food inflation reaching 90.3%. The price of bread alone — an indispensable staple for low-income consumers — rose more than 101% over a year.
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https://eurasiantimes.com/no-bayraktar- ... b2-drones/
No Bayraktar Drones For India; Turkish CEO Says Will Sell TB2 UAVs Only To Brotherly Nations Like Pakistan, Ukraine
Ashish Dangwal, September 7, 2022

Turkish drones have gained popularity due to their effective performance on different battlefields, most recently in Ukraine. Turkey’s leading armed drone manufacturer now believes that combat drones will be a significant factor in all future wars, including a potential conflict in the Taiwan Strait.
In response to whether armed drones might be deployed in a conflict between China and Taiwan, Haluk Bayraktar, CEO of Baykar Technology, stated in an interview with Nikkei Asia: “It is now out of the question to have a war without drones.”
Bayraktar also noted that those who do not use drones effectively would lose. He also stated that his company had not spoken to the self-governing island of Taiwan about drone sales.
He did, however, point out that China is a “global drone producer” and that he is keeping an eye on news concerning Beijing’s aggressive drone use.
“Drone technologies are a must-have for all warfare now and in the future. They are sine qua non, and the ones not using them will be on the losing side,” Bayraktar said.
In the Ukrainian war, Baykar’s TB2 drones have proven effective, enabling Ukraine’s armed forces to halt Russia’s push toward the capital, Kyiv. Video footage of the drones striking Russian tanks, vehicles, and missile defense systems has been extensively circulated on social media platforms.
Bayraktar also argued that the drones are useful at sea, citing successful operations in the Black Sea while speaking on the sidelines of Teknofest, Turkey’s largest aviation, aerospace, and technology expo.
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This dude is flying too high.

Against an enemy with well trained operators of air defence systems at the onset of the conflict itself. Will teach him just how useful drones truly are.
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He may be the standard bombastic Islamist, but the drones are force multipliers and do raise the cost and logistical challenges (counter drone systems).

Even for low intensity conflicts, with localized border conflicts like the ones their jihadi brothers the pakis engage in.

We cannot position a AAA piece or a MANPAD at each border post or to provide cover for each patrol... which is the most what the pakis will dare (high propoganda value)
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-8155525/
PM holds unannounced meeting with Erdogan: Looked at ways to deepen ties
Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said the two leaders had "useful discussions" during the meeting.
Shubhajit Roy, September 17, 2022

Ties between their countries adversely impacted in recent years, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan held an unannounced meeting Friday in Samarkand on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit.
After the meeting, Modi underlined that the focus was on economic ties between the two countries.
“Met President @RTErdogan and reviewed the full range of bilateral relations between India and Turkey including ways to deepen economic linkages for the benefit of our people,” Modi said in a Twitter post.
The Ministry of External Affairs, in a statement, said, “Both leaders reviewed India-Turkey relations. While noting the increase in recent years in economic relations, particularly bilateral trade, they acknowledged the potential for further enhancement of economic and commercial linkages.”
Erdogan last visited India in 2017 when he met Modi.
While India-Turkey economic and commercial cooperation constitutes an important dimension of the bilateral relationship, diplomatic ties have been adversely impacted over Turkey’s public criticism of the revocation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir and the February 2020 riots in north-east Delhi.In his speech at the UN General Assembly in September 2019, Erdogan said Kashmir “is still besieged” and “eight million people are stuck in Kashmir”, and “cannot get out”. He called for a solution through dialogue between Pakistan and India.
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^ oh dear.

If no meeting happens now with S. Sharif, then it is a big blow to Paki enchandee
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Manish_P wrote:He may be the standard bombastic Islamist, but the drones are force multipliers and do raise the cost and logistical challenges (counter drone systems).

Even for low intensity conflicts, with localized border conflicts like the ones their jihadi brothers the pakis engage in.

We cannot position a AAA piece or a MANPAD at each border post or to provide cover for each patrol... which is the most what the pakis will dare (high propoganda value)
The same holds true for us too if we use drones on Pakis
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mody wrote:
A few recent tourists to Turkiyewhom I know personally have all given a fairly negative review of the place. The economic problems have led to the locals like taxi drivers etc. resort to open fleecing of tourists and the attitude of the general public towards Indians have taken a definite turn for the worst.
Being one of the cheaper foreign destinations to visit, with decent sights, is what is leading to the large uptick in Indian tourists.

India just needs to update its travel advisory to its citizen to exercise "caution" and avoid "financial losses" while travelling to turkiye., that would take care of the tourism problem
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g.sarkar wrote:https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... s-8155525/
PM holds unannounced meeting with Erdogan: Looked at ways to deepen ties
Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said the two leaders had "useful discussions" during the meeting.
Shubhajit Roy, September 17, 2022

Ties between their countries adversely impacted in recent years, Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan held an unannounced meeting Friday in Samarkand on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit.
After the meeting, Modi underlined that the focus was on economic ties between the two countries.
“Met President @RTErdogan and reviewed the full range of bilateral relations between India and Turkey including ways to deepen economic linkages for the benefit of our people,” Modi said in a Twitter post.
The Ministry of External Affairs, in a statement, said, “Both leaders reviewed India-Turkey relations. While noting the increase in recent years in economic relations, particularly bilateral trade, they acknowledged the potential for further enhancement of economic and commercial linkages.”
Erdogan last visited India in 2017 when he met Modi.
While India-Turkey economic and commercial cooperation constitutes an important dimension of the bilateral relationship, diplomatic ties have been adversely impacted over Turkey’s public criticism of the revocation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir and the February 2020 riots in north-east Delhi.In his speech at the UN General Assembly in September 2019, Erdogan said Kashmir “is still besieged” and “eight million people are stuck in Kashmir”, and “cannot get out”. He called for a solution through dialogue between Pakistan and India.
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Turkish side made request & pushed for it

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/157 ... -12DeuwftA : The real surprise out of the 4 bilateral meetings Indian PM had on margins of #SCOSummit2022 was the one with Turkish President @RTErdogan . It wasn't among meetings that were kinda confirmed but Turkish side made request & pushed for it.

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/157 ... -12DeuwftA In recent years, India-Turkey relations have usually hit rough patches because of the Turkish President speaking out on issues that are sensitive for India (primarily Kashmir). There is also suspicion because of Turkey's long-standing proximity to Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/157 ... -12DeuwftA But Turkey is also involved in a major project to build 5 large support vessels for the Indian Navy (I thought it was put on limbo since there is no information on this since)

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/157 ... -12DeuwftA : A Turkish firm has done the electromechanical work on Atal Tunnel on the Leh-Manali highway

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/157 ... -12DeuwftA : India-Türkiye trade increased significantly in past 15 years to cross $10.70 billion in 2021-22.

https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/157 ... -12DeuwftA : And then there's this: Both India & Turkey are key partners for the US & ALSO operate the Russian-made S-400 air defence system. (Have heard Turkish side suggested both should get together to make a joint case with the US on this but Indian side understandably not keen.)
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sanjayc wrote:
Manish_P wrote:He may be the standard bombastic Islamist, but the drones are force multipliers and do raise the cost and logistical challenges (counter drone systems).

Even for low intensity conflicts, with localized border conflicts like the ones their jihadi brothers the pakis engage in.

We cannot position a AAA piece or a MANPAD at each border post or to provide cover for each patrol... which is the most what the pakis will dare (high propoganda value)
The same holds true for us too if we use drones on Pakis
True yes, but not to the same extent. I refer to the effect on the awaam psyche.

The uniformed jihadis are loath to reveal their KIA, especially when it is done by SDRE kafirs like us Indians. To the families they will give any excuse from vacuum bulb, gas cylinder explosion..
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'India, Pak haven't established peace': Turkey prez Erdogan raises Kashmir issue during UNGA address
Addressing the world leaders at the high-level United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) session, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday raked up the Kashmir issue once again, saying “India and Pakistan have not established peace between them yet.” "India and Pakistan, after having established their sovereignty and independence 75 years ago, still haven't established peace and solidarity between one another. This is much unfortunate. We hope and pray that a fair and permanent peace and prosperity will be established in Kashmir," Erdogan said.

Erdogan’s comment comes almost a week after he met Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Summit in the Uzbek city of Samarkand on Friday. At the SCO summit, both leaders reviewed the full range of bilateral relations and discussed ways to deepen cooperation in diverse sectors.
Following this, India had criticised his comments and asked him not to interfere in India's internal affairs. External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kaumar had said India rejects all references made by the Turkish President on Jammu and Kashmir, stating that the region is an integral and inalienable part of India. "We call upon the Turkish leadership not to interfere in India's internal affairs and develop a proper understanding of the facts, including the grave threat posed by terrorism emanating from Pakistan to India and the region," Raveesh had said.
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India raises Cyprus and Lybian issues in response.
After Turkey's Erdogan raises Kashmir, India's EAM Jaishankar brings up Cyprus
United Nations: External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar has discussed the Cyprus issue with Turkiye's Minister of Foreign Affairs Mevlut Cavusoglu, hours after the Turkish President raked up Kashmir in his address to the General Assembly. Jaishankar met Cavusoglu on the second day of his engagements on the sidelines of the high-level General Assembly session here. The long ongoing problem in Cyprus began in 1974 when Turkey invaded and then occupied the northern part of the country in response to a military coup on the island which was backed by the Greek government.

India has been advocating a peaceful resolution of the issue in accordance with the UN resolutions.
Jaishankar also met the Foreign Minister of Libya, Najla Elmangoush and "appreciated her perspectives on the evolving situation in Libya."

In 2019, the Libyan National Army accused the Turkish authorities of supporting terrorist groups in Libya for many years, adding that the Turkish support has evolved from just logistic support to a direct interference using military aircraft to transport mercenaries, as well as ships carrying weapons, armored vehicles and ammunition to support terrorism in Libya.


In addition, a BBC report confirmed that Turkey was sending secret arms shipments into Libya with the Bana, with the escort of Turkish navy frigates.

On September 21, 2020, the Council of the European Union imposed sanctions on the Turkish maritime company Avrasya Shipping which operates the Çirkin freighter, because the vessel found to have violated the UN arms embargo in Libya in May and June 2020.

Earlier this month, Indian ambassador to UN Ruchira Kamboj accused Turkey of “blatant disregard” of UN security resolutions in Libya, after fierce clashes broke out in the capital Tripoli between rival factions in the fractured country.

Kamboj noted that while the situation highlights the need for a complete withdrawal of foreign forces and mercenaries from Libya, there were still no signs of “tangible progress” on this front.

“Continued presence of foreign forces and mercenaries is detrimental to the peace and stability of the country and the region. There have been blatant violations of the arms embargo in Libya,” she said -- a veiled reference to Turkey.
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Turkey reminds us why stable and prosperous Bakis are not a useful future for us. They are just EuroBakis :((
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JS does random tit-for-tat on Turkey
using Repeated Prisoners Dilemma formulation of Robert Axelrod's Theory of Evolution of Cooperation.

https://ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/Breakt ... xelrod.pdf

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolu ... ooperation



The next step has to be an Indian hit on Turkey to show it has the capability and will not be hesitant for activity.
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S_Madhukar wrote:Turkey reminds us why stable and prosperous Bakis are not a useful future for us. They are just EuroBakis :((

Pakis are South Asian Turks.
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S_Madhukar wrote:Turkey reminds us why stable and prosperous Bakis are not a useful future for us. They are just EuroBakis :((

India should NEVER have trade relations with Pakistan
. That alone should do it. A good example is Bangladesh.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/technolo ... 21245.html

Baykar, which is also working on an unmanned fighter project called the Bayraktar Kizilelma, wants to further increase its production capacity and hopes to achieve that with a plant in Ukraine
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One thing I like is Modi simply doesn't bother to respond to the likes of TSP PM or Erdo. As though they are beneath him. Nice. Leaves it to FM. But it is unbelievable that IN is buying those ships from this country.
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The sweep against PFI has blunted Erdogan dreams of funding a Islamist handle inside India.
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https://eurasiantimes.com/turkey-is-no- ... r-erdogan/
Turkey Is No Friend Of India; Modi Must Decipher Erdogan’s ‘Dangerous Ambitions’ That Threaten India & Beyond
Padma Shri KN Pandita, September 26, 2022

Since Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan began to believe that he had a divine mission of reviving the lost grandeur of the Ottoman Empire, he concluded that a road to achieving that ambition lay through the labyrinth of Islamic revivalism.
In his college days, he was influenced by the Islamic Brotherhood Movement. His pro-Islamist reach is also because of the repeated refusal of the European Union to admit Turkey as a regular member. Deep inside, his inclination towards Islamism springs more from vengeance and much less from conviction in all Islam claims.
“The mask of pro-Europeanism started to erase after continuous attempts by Turkey to be a part of the EU failed. After the 2011 Arab Spring, Erdogan asserted his support for Islamist political forces in the West Asia and North Africa (WANA) region like Mohammad Morsi in Egypt and the ‘Dawn Coalition’ in Libya,” wrote Tahiroglu in Ankara’s Failure.
Firstly, Erdogan supported the Muslim Brotherhood-led Morsi government so much so that when Morsi was deposed in 2013 by al-Sisi in a military coup, and the latter became the president, Erdogan refused to recognize Sisi as a legitimate ruler of Egypt.
Secondly, when the crackdown on Muslim Brotherhood leadership began under Sisi, many of its leaders and sympathizers relocated to Turkey. Thirdly, Erdogan’s support of the Muslim Brotherhood has been one of the main issues of contention between Turkey and its relations with the Arabs.
The UAE, Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are also on opposing sides of Turkey in Libya. The Arab monarchies are supporting the General Khalifa Haftar-led Libyan National Army.
Erdogan, who has regional ambitions in the Eastern Mediterranean, firmly supports the Government of National Accord, which has close relations with the Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey’s relations with Saudi Arabia have been badly affected after the killing of pro-US Jamal Khashoggi.
However, Qatar and Turkey share ideological convergence in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups like Hamas. Qatar also opposed Morsi’s overthrow, like Turkey. This explains the basis of their friendly relationship.
While addressing the Sixth Religious Council meeting of the Presidency of Religious Affairs (DİB) in Ankara in November 2019, Erdogan charged that Muslim countries “look for solutions in the Western capitals for their problems, instead of reaching out to their Muslim brothers and sisters for help.” He contemplates new leadership of the ummah (an Arabic word meaning “community”) and discards the existing one.
Erdogan has been trying to gather international muscle around the idea of reviving the Muslim ummah, which other Islamic states like Pakistan and Malaysia have actively supported.
Erdogan praised the then Pakistan PM Imran Khan for raising the voice for Muslim ummah and the issue of Kashmir at a reception hosted for the participants of the Third Speakers Conference in Istanbul in October 2019.
At the UN General Assembly in 2019, Erdogan raked up Kashmir and criticized the international community for not paying attention to the issue.
This speech came just a month after the Indian government revoked Jammu and Kashmir’s special status (Article 370) in August 2019. He also highlighted the intervention issues in Yemen and Qatar and the Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia, Iran, and Qatar also tried to create an alternative to the Saudi-dominated Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) by holding an Islamic summit in Kuala Lumpur in 2019.
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Turkiye declared Level 4 Alert, which is a desperate plea for help. India is one of the first countries to answer the call.

Focus is to help Turkish people at this testing times - Modi.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/05/euro ... index.html
More than 4,000 dead in Turkey and Syria after powerful quake
Rhea Mogul, Gul Tuysuz, Isil Sariyuce, Kareem El Damanhoury and Rob Picheta, CNN, February 6, 2023
Istanbul, Turkey

More than 4,000 people have died and rescuers are racing to pull survivors from beneath the rubble after a devastating earthquake ripped through Turkey and Syria, leaving destruction and debris on each side of the border.
One of the strongest earthquakes to hit the region in a century shook residents from their beds at around 4 a.m. on Monday, sending tremors as far away as Lebanon and Israel.
In Turkey, at least 2,921 people were killed and more than 15,800 others injured, according to Turkey’s head of disaster services, Yunus Sezer.
In neighboring Syria, at least 1,451 people have died. According to the Syrian state news agency SANA, 711 people have died across government-controlled areas, mostly in the regions of Aleppo, Hama, Latakia, and Tartus.
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I hope now they will spend more time on taking care of the people, and less time on Kashmir. But I know that will not be the case.
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Two teams consisting of 101 personnel of National Disaster Response Force (NDRF) along with specially trained dog squads and all the necessary equipments have been sent to Türkiye:

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--- From Turkey Ammasdor:
PM Narendra Modi gave immediate instructions to build a crisis centre & all relevant Indian authorities had a meeting. This is an example of good friendship, and we really appreciate it so much"
Link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1622894466041540609

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Meanwhile:
Pakistan not allowing airspace to Indian military plane with humanitarian support - Turkey is being told. /disgust/
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Also from Syria:
we really appreciate the Indian heart, Syrian Ambassador on Indian support to Earthquake hit Syria
Indian humanitarian support is to leave for Syria..(now)..
Hopefully there will be another plane going to Syria with more humanitarian assistance from India..
We have no problem with the people of Turkiye. We don't want to see people of Turkiye suffering (on India's help wrt to Turkey)
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Second C-17 Globemaster III heavy lift aircraft of Indian Airforce reaches Şanlıurfa in Türkiye.
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"Dost" is a common word in Turkish and Hindi... We have a Turkish proverb: "Dost kara günde belli olur" (a friend in need is a friend indeed).
Thank you very much India
Link: https://twitter.com/firatsunel/status/1 ... 9BzL8U9qXg

India has sent 4 C-17 planes with humanitarian assistance to Turkiye to deal with the aftermath of earthquake; The support included relief material, equipment and personnel, weighing over 108 tons.

What India has sent Turkiye:
-Self-contained search - rescue units of NDRF (over 100 personnel) with equipment, vehicles & dog squads
-99 personnel to set up a 30-bed medical facility
-Medical equipment includes x-ray machines,ventilators, operation-theater,vehicles, ambulances

India has sent over 6 tons of relief material to Syria onboard C130J to deal with the aftermath of earthquake; this included 3 truck loads of general & protective gear, emergency use medicines, syringes & equipment including ECG machines, monitors, & other essential medical items
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But I was told that Modi is a Hindu extremist who hates Muslims.
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^ Simple spin can be that Modi/BJP need the muslim votes in upcoming elections as the BJ yatra is a massive success, the 'n'th coming of the youth icon etc etc...
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Manish_P wrote:^ Simple spin can be that Modi/BJP need the muslim votes in upcoming elections as the BJ yatra is a massive success, the 'n'th coming of the youth icon etc etc...

lots of heartburn in pukestan

most pakis resigned to the fact that Indian has far outclassed them but many still attribute it to the mythical "market size" that has supposedly attracted the goras.

no mention or even willingness to acknowledge our majority's hard work and sacrifices despite carrying the massive, freeloading and useless burden of the stay behind partition baggage

daresay that the Indian outreach to turkey and syria has subtly found its intended target
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chetak wrote:...

lots of heartburn in pukestan

most pakis resigned to the fact that Indian has far outclassed them but many still attribute it to the mythical "market size" that has supposedly attracted the goras.

no mention or even willingness to acknowledge our majority's hard work and sacrifices despite carrying the massive, freeloading and useless burden of the stay behind partition baggage

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Beg to differ slightly with you Chetak ji.

It's a small but increasing percentage of the middle-class (if it can be called that) who are bringing themselves to accept the fact that India has outclassed them and is widening the gap even more. These are the folk who have had an english education and are working in private industries in Pakistan or abroad and are self-declared analysts because they understand words like 'market size'.

The vast majority awaam (urdu/punjabi/regional educated) have firm belief in what they have been taught from their childhood- evil hindu baniyas schemed and fooled the goras brit-shits to hand them the control whereas it should have been handed over to the descendants of the 1000-year mughal rulers...

In any case this being the Turkey thread, i wonder how the aam Turks think of the aid (small as it is). And what is NATO doing. Is it just a pure military alliance ? I was wondering when we would be seeing the photos of squadrons of C-17s and C-5s over the skies of Ankara, Instanbul...

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Wish them best!
From India's EAM Shri S. Jaishankar:
Indian @NDRFHQ teams have now reached Gaziantep and commenced search and rescue operations.
Wish them the very best in their efforts.
#OperationDost
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Meanwhile: Pak gets humiliating snub for Turkey. Remember their boasting spin.. PM Sharif and Bilwal Bhutto were going to *visit* Turkey today. (Apart from all cabinet ministers offering one month's pay and junior ministers one days pay for relief fund - No I am not making it up - this was all broadcasted by paki PR team..).. Boasting that they are there before 'Modi" could visit ..

Well Turkey told them - fairly blunt terms - thanks but no thanks. Pakis have canceled the trip. (Not surprising but even many of us could not believe Pak will be so stupid that they will announce the trip even before consulting Turkey if that will be helpful :eek: :eek: )
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^^ we used to say this as a joke, can’t believe paki pm actually said that. BRF ahead of the curve again…
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It is Fauxy sir. Sarcasm.
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Per MEA says:
-Recieved call from 75 Indians for assistance
-10 Indians in remote part of Turkiye but safe
-One Indian National missing & Indian govt touch with family.
-3 Indians who approached the Indian govt taken to a safe location
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-- 3000 Indian nationals, 1800 in and around Istanbul, 250 in Ankara.
-- Indians are relatively safe (Per Secretary Sanjay Verma)

(Source: MEA --- presser on operation dost-- Indian humanitarian assistance to Turkiye/ Syria to deal with quake aftermath. y @MEAIndia @abagchimea, Secy West @SanjayVermalFS, Air Marshal BR Krishna, CISC, HQ, IDS & Atul Karwal, DG, NDRF )

Time line: (Quite impressive IMO): "Operation Dost"
Monday: Timeline
10am: EAM holds a meet
12.30pm: PK Mishra, Principal secretary holds meet
1pm: Turkiye email communications ..
3pm: Operational meet at South Block; First Indian flights of relief leaves within 12 hrs with relief
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Also from EAM's Tweeter:
This field hospital in Hatay, Türkiye will treat those affected by the earthquake.
Indian team of medical & critical care specialists and equipment are preparing to treat emergencies.
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Indian military being the main disaster relief agency for India has it advantages - it can be deployed anywhere for that purpose - it is more mobile.

This is not the same in other advanced economies - they are all civilian and regionalized and harder to coordinate for help to other countries.
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