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g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 13 Oct 2019 11:23

https://www.dawn.com/news/1510278/pm-im ... -operation
PM Imran assures Erdogan of Pakistan’s support, solidarity over Turkey's Syria operation
Sanaullah Khan, October 11, 2019
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday telephoned Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to express solidarity and support for Ankara as it faces international pressure over Turkey's ongoing operation against Kurdish forces in Syria.
The premier during the conversation told the Turkish president that "Pakistan fully understands Turkey’s concerns relating to terrorism", a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office said. "As a country which has lost more than 70,000 lives due to terrorism and borne the burden of more than 3 million refugees for decades, Pakistan is fully cognisant of the threats and challenges being faced by Turkey having lost 40,000 of its people to terrorism," the prime minister was quoted as saying.
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Gautam

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 13 Oct 2019 11:57

Kurdish female politician executed by Turks
https://www.timesofisrael.com/kurdish-p ... s-monitor/

https://twitter.com/dlshadothman/status ... 8169648128
https://twitter.com/TurkeyUntold/status ... 4158027777

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 13 Oct 2019 12:08

So it has begun again.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 13 Oct 2019 12:23

Y. Kanan wrote:Kurdish female politician executed by Turks
https://www.timesofisrael.com/kurdish-p ... s-monitor/

https://twitter.com/dlshadothman/status ... 8169648128
https://twitter.com/TurkeyUntold/status ... 4158027777

Good for us, This will affect turkey a lot more than any actions we might take over their stand on Kashmir. Killing good looking women is always terrible PR.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 13 Oct 2019 12:45

The longer the Turkish operation continues the better it is for us.
- Weakens Turkey economically (sanctions from US & EU are almost certain) and hence Erdogan's position.
- Weakens Kurds, hence strengthens Assad/ Russia. No deal without them.
- More ISIS attacks in Europe, greater support for our stand against terror, more pressure on Turkey's stand in FATF.
- Less attention to Kashmir human right etc. Human rights / liberals have the Kurds to worry about now.
- We become the only real US friend in the Central Asia/Middle East region after they ditch the Kurds and Netanyhu's position is weakened.

nam · Post by **nam** » 13 Oct 2019 12:57

I doubt there will real sanctions against Turkey. Even if they do, there will be lot of loopholes. Like Preseller sanctions, did not stop Pak getting spares from Turkey for it's F16.

Turkey is to the Europeans, what Pak is to US.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 13 Oct 2019 15:24

The sanctions are half hearted against Turkey unless Orange is really pissed.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Oct 2019 18:05

Turks have just slaughtered several civilians including a woman politician captured on camera allegedly.Over 300 hard- core ISIS prisoners have escaped too.Why they were not executed earlier beats me.They're the devil's army.

John · Post by **John** » 13 Oct 2019 20:54

schinnas wrote:The sanctions are half hearted against Turkey unless Orange is really pissed.

Turkey draining its resources in pro longed quagmire is best thing that can happen, as Turkish economy was improving they already started providing handouts to Pakistan that should end that.
SDF is pro Pakistan as well there are a few videos showing how they wanted to come to kashmir to fight for Pakistan. Pakistan has supplied arms to them as well.

John · Post by **John** » 14 Oct 2019 04:36

Turkey-Syria offensive: Kurds reach deal with Syrian army

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50036901

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 14 Oct 2019 11:54

John wrote:
schinnas wrote:The sanctions are half hearted against Turkey unless Orange is really pissed.
Turkey draining its resources in pro longed quagmire is best thing that can happen, as Turkish economy was improving they already started providing handouts to Pakistan that should end that.
SDF is pro Pakistan as well there are a few videos showing how they wanted to come to kashmir to fight for Pakistan. Pakistan has supplied arms to them as well.

SDF is pro-Pakistan?!
Any official statements from SDF to this effect or its just some videos on youtube of random guys saying this?!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 14 Oct 2019 12:05

Philip wrote:Turks have just slaughtered several civilians including a woman politician captured on camera allegedly.Over 300 hard- core ISIS prisoners have escaped too.Why they were not executed earlier beats me.They're the devil's army.

They don't show anything about captured isil except women in burqa. Now see the difference when jihad pasand army of Turk walked in.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 14 Oct 2019 12:24

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.dawn.com/news/1510278/pm-im ... -operation
PM Imran assures Erdogan of Pakistan’s support, solidarity over Turkey's Syria operation
Sanaullah Khan, October 11, 2019
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday telephoned Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to express solidarity and support for Ankara as it faces international pressure over Turkey's ongoing operation against Kurdish forces in Syria.
The premier during the conversation told the Turkish president that "Pakistan fully understands Turkey’s concerns relating to terrorism", a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office said. "As a country which has lost more than 70,000 lives due to terrorism and borne the burden of more than 3 million refugees for decades, Pakistan is fully cognisant of the threats and challenges being faced by Turkey having lost 40,000 of its people to terrorism," the prime minister was quoted as saying.
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Gautam

Let the war blossom forever and get messier by the day!

chola · Post by **chola** » 14 Oct 2019 12:35

vimal wrote:
g.sarkar wrote:https://www.dawn.com/news/1510278/pm-im ... -operation
PM Imran assures Erdogan of Pakistan’s support, solidarity over Turkey's Syria operation
Sanaullah Khan, October 11, 2019
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday telephoned Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to express solidarity and support for Ankara as it faces international pressure over Turkey's ongoing operation against Kurdish forces in Syria.
The premier during the conversation told the Turkish president that "Pakistan fully understands Turkey’s concerns relating to terrorism", a statement issued by the Prime Minister's Office said. "As a country which has lost more than 70,000 lives due to terrorism and borne the burden of more than 3 million refugees for decades, Pakistan is fully cognisant of the threats and challenges being faced by Turkey having lost 40,000 of its people to terrorism," the prime minister was quoted as saying.
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Gautam
Let the war blossom forever and get messier by the day!

That part of the world has always been as messy as a cesspool.

nam · Post by **nam** » 14 Oct 2019 13:19

Paks have been hyper active on twitter to fight the "perception battle" on behalf of the Turks.

It is good that Paks are betting on a nation, which even the Arab countries are going against!

We are lucky to have Pak as our adversary.

John · Post by **John** » 14 Oct 2019 15:54

Parasu wrote:
John wrote: Turkey draining its resources in pro longed quagmire is best thing that can happen, as Turkish economy was improving they already started providing handouts to Pakistan that should end that.
SDF is pro Pakistan as well there are a few videos showing how they wanted to come to kashmir to fight for Pakistan. Pakistan has supplied arms to them as well.
SDF is pro-Pakistan?!
Any official statements from SDF to this effect or its just some videos on youtube of random guys saying this?!

Only the fighter base has out some social media crap on their support in that, SDF has remained neutral but has received some arms from Pakistan facilitated thru western aid.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 15 Oct 2019 08:15

OK, while finger pointing begins, eye-shish may have been quietly freed for new misshion?

Turkey says Kurdish forces emptied Islamic State prison in northeast Syria

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Speaking to reporters in Ankara on Monday, Akar said the YPG had emptied the only Islamic State prison that Turkish forces had so far reached in the envisaged “safe zone” area, and that the inmates had already been removed.
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Rony · Post by **Rony** » 16 Oct 2019 03:48

Also boycott that shitty turkish airlines and don’t spend your vacation in ~~turkey~~ mediterranean pakistan

kit · Post by **kit** » 16 Oct 2019 04:34

nam wrote:Paks have been hyper active on twitter to fight the "perception battle" on behalf of the Turks.

It is good that Paks are betting on a nation, which even the Arab countries are going against!

We are lucky to have Pak as our adversary.

Erdogan is aiming for nukes a la North Korea so the potus doesn't come for regime change and he can be caliph till he dies just like his friend Malaysian geriatric politician

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 16 Oct 2019 06:26

There is talk of US nukes being a liability with erdogan making noises in this regard days phox newj

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 16 Oct 2019 11:14

looking at the talk coming out of DC looks like Turkey is the new bad ally. another similarity with pakis.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 16 Oct 2019 11:23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NATO ... rships.svg
So much for the NATO AND MNNA
Apart from Turkey, Pak there may be few others that need to be culled and reorganisation needed???

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 16 Oct 2019 11:23

kit wrote:
nam wrote:Paks have been hyper active on twitter to fight the "perception battle" on behalf of the Turks.

It is good that Paks are betting on a nation, which even the Arab countries are going against!

We are lucky to have Pak as our adversary.
Erdogan is aiming for nukes a la North Korea so the potus doesn't come for regime change and he can be caliph till he dies just like his friend Malaysian geriatric politician

How will Israel react to turkis having nukes? Will they do another orchard or opera?

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 16 Oct 2019 11:43

Rony wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG7zk5NXYAIiEj_.jpg

Also boycott that shitty turkish airlines and don’t spend your vacation in ~~turkey~~ mediterranean pakistan

IIRC indigo has a code share with Turkish airlines (I guess road to Islamic State was quite profitable).

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 16 Oct 2019 11:51

Expecting a mass boycott of Turkish, Malaysian or Chinese stuff in India or by Indians will be an exercise in futility.

Indian travellers will continue to fly Turkish airlines as long as they offer competitive fares, much like Indian travellers to and from East Asia have been flocking to China Eastern and other airlines.

Indians (and others) will continue to buy Chinese products as long as they remain economical and often the only option in the market.

Apart from Palm Oil, not sure about the other stuff that we get from Malaysia.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Oct 2019 13:16

How will Israel react to turkis having nukes? Will they do another orchard or opera?

Maybe we can send one or two Tejas a/c for some duty thereabouts alongwith Syrian and Russian af for suppressing violation of Syrian airspace and comeback after a few sorties. Tejas a/c as such doesn't have a long range but point defence is not bad to begin with.

nits · Post by **nits** » 16 Oct 2019 14:50

Kashi wrote:Expecting a mass boycott of Turkish, Malaysian or Chinese stuff in India or by Indians will be an exercise in futility.

Indian travellers will continue to fly Turkish airlines as long as they offer competitive fares, much like Indian travellers to and from East Asia have been flocking to China Eastern and other airlines.

Indians (and others) will continue to buy Chinese products as long as they remain economical and often the only option in the market.

Apart from Palm Oil, not sure about the other stuff that we get from Malaysia.

Asia’s latest trade spat divides palm oil giants over Kashmir -

India, the world’s top palm oil buyer, is shunning purchases from Malaysia after the Southeast Asian nation’s prime minister criticized its policy in Kashmir, sparking the latest trade spat in the region.

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad last month told the United Nations that India “invaded and occupied” Kashmir. Since then, many Indian buyers of palm oil have started shifting to Indonesian supplies amid concern that Prime Minister Narendra Modi will curb purchases of the vegetable oil from Malaysia...

“India will replace Malaysian palm oil imports by buying more from Indonesia and increasing edible oil supplies from Ukraine,” said Bipul Chatterjee, who heads the CUTS Centre for International Trade, Economics and Environment in Jaipur, India. “It’s the first time ever that India has used its heft as a trade partner to express unhappiness about a political statement.”

kit · Post by **kit** » 16 Oct 2019 15:22

Atmavik wrote:looking at the talk coming out of DC looks like Turkey is the new bad ally. another similarity with pakis.

Oh not so , its just that Americas "friends" realizing they were never friends

remember what Kissinger said ..those words need to be carved in stone at every foreign office dealing with americans

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Oct 2019 19:45

Karthik S wrote:
kit wrote:
Erdogan is aiming for nukes a la North Korea so the potus doesn't come for regime change and he can be caliph till he dies just like his friend Malaysian geriatric politician
How will Israel react to turkis having nukes? Will they do another orchard or opera?

Israel so far had seen it as a Arab problem. and had friendly relations with non-Arab Turkey and even pre-Ayatollah Iran.

With Erdogan becoming Islamist Israel has a Muslim problem.
However the old Arab-Turk schism gives them some operating space.

Talikota shaping up in West Asia.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Oct 2019 19:50

Do you guys realise apart from Israel, Turkey is also close to the European heartland. It will not be allowed to have nukes with delivery weapons to threaten Europe. Nukes under American control are a different matter. Similarly they will not allow Pakis to have missiles to threaten the European heartland. That's one of the reasons Gaddafi once he tried to acquire Nukes from the Pakis in the late 80s was sanctioned, ensured he was denuked and then decapitated.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Oct 2019 19:54

We first need to watch Incirlik airbase traffic to see if any non-routine flights are going on.

Right after Balakot, three planes came from KSA and returned after two days.

So the military is adept at evacuating stuff.

I also think DT doing Pontius Pilate is related to keeping the stuff still there.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 17 Oct 2019 00:12

Why Are U.S. Nuclear Bombs Still in Turkey ?

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, newly established U.S. nuclear missile batteries in Turkey were briefly famous, becoming a bargaining chip in the negotiations to avoid atomic war with the Soviet Union. Those missiles were removed in 1963, but 50 B61 nuclear gravity bombs currently reside in specialized underground vaults at Incirlik Air Base in southern Turkey, some 20 miles from the Mediterranean coast. These air-dropped bombs are capable of delivering a range of nuclear yields, from 300 tons up to 170 kilotons, or roughly eleven times the yield of the bomb the U.S. dropped on Hiroshima in August 1945. (For a more concrete description of these weapons’ destructive force, watch this.) Turkish F-16 fighters used to be certified to carry and deliver these weapons, but Turkey no longer has the pilots for that task; now, the weapons at Incirlik are there for rotational U.S. aircraft to drop them, if it’s ever necessary.

Technically, we didn’t know that those 50 or so warheads were still at Incirlik until the Times report confirmed it this week. It’s general American policy to neither confirm nor deny the specific location of nuclear weapons on vessels and storage sites overseas. That practice was a major part of what led to the late-1980s rupture in the U.S.-New Zealand alliance: Wellington’s Labour government grew uncomfortable with the likelihood of nuclear weapons passing through New Zealand waters, and the U.S. government wouldn’t certify that its vessels were explicitly nonnuclear.

What we do know is that B61 warheads in NATO nations are held for safe storage in special electronic vaults—known as a Weapons Storage and Security System, or WS3—in the floors of hardened bunkers. Deep inside Incirlik, these vaults are some of the last checks against nuclear theft or detonation by, say, a rogue Turkish government or allied militia. Some additional safety is provided by permissive action links—essentially, access entry codes—on the bombs themselves, but these delay rather than prevent unauthorized use. Given sufficient time and access to these weapons, a sophisticated adversary with the resources of a nation-state could likely figure out a way to use them—if not as designed, then in a way that would still release disastrous and deadly radiation. The only way to ensure that doesn’t happen is to physically remove the weapons.

When it comes to occasionally pulling its nuclear weapons out of allied countries, the United States has some well-known experience: It’s removed arms from the United Kingdom, Greece, and a German base under NATO auspices, with little logistical or political difficulty. Turkey’s case appears a bit more fraught: The Times, based on an interview with one unnamed U.S. official, suggested that the American nuclear bombs “were now essentially Erdoğan’s hostages.” That’s literally untrue, since the weapons remain in U.S. Air Force custody, but the underlying idea is that “to fly them out of Incirlik would be to mark the de facto end of the Turkish-American alliance.” But that statement seems inaccurate, too: This dysfunctional alliance can’t and won’t be saved by the physical presence of American bombs on Turkish soil. The weapons are a liability and serve no valid reassurance purpose—not to Turkey specifically, or to NATO more generally. The bombs can most certainly leave, and Turkey can remain as NATO’s intolerable black sheep—its status in the alliance being a problem for another day.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 17 Oct 2019 04:58

WARNING DISTURBING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC CONTENT

Medieval barbarian turkish soldiers film themselves carrying out mass beheadings of Kurds in Syria.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Oct 2019 08:58

https://twitter.com/Mustafa_MFA/status/ ... 59136?s=20
President
@RTErdogan's envisaged visit to Pakistan will be re-scheduled for an early future date.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 17 Oct 2019 10:15

Rony wrote:WARNING DISTURBING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC CONTENT

Medieval barbarian turkish soldiers film themselves carrying out mass beheadings of Kurds in Syria.

Is this verified? Hard to trust things floating on teetar

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 17 Oct 2019 10:49

Does anyone else here feel that Erdu is being given a long rope to hang himself. He seems to have forgotten the fate of other ME rulers who were used as disposable wipes by US only to be dispatched off to their waiting 72s. The amount of negative press that Turkey is generating is mind blowing. But hey I'm not complaining.

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 17 Oct 2019 17:04

John wrote:
Parasu wrote: SDF is pro-Pakistan?!
Any official statements from SDF to this effect or its just some videos on youtube of random guys saying this?!
Only the fighter base has out some social media crap on their support in that, SDF has remained neutral but has received some arms from Pakistan facilitated thru western aid.

SDF, which is anti-Turkey, has received arms from Pakistan which is pro-Turkey. And Western countries have needed Pakistan to supply arms to SDF !! Sorry, but cant believe this stuff either.

Parasu · Post by **Parasu** » 17 Oct 2019 17:09

vimal wrote:Does anyone else here feel that Erdu is being given a long rope to hang himself. He seems to have forgotten the fate of other ME rulers who were used as disposable wipes by US only to be dispatched off to their waiting 72s. The amount of negative press that Turkey is generating is mind blowing. But hey I'm not complaining.

Turkey was in the western camp. It has built deep lobbying routes in Western states. Moreover, Erdogan has European balls in his grip via the refugee tap which he controls.

Uttam · Post by **Uttam** » 17 Oct 2019 19:16

Heard an interview of Senior Advisor to Erdu on NPR - Morning Edition. The lady was actually condescending to Trump. Not that I am complaining, but the way this lady was describing Trump's letter tells me that Erdu thinks that Trump is on his way out. Here is it https://www.npr.org/2019/10/17/77084862 ... =nprml&f=3

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 17 Oct 2019 21:33

Trump's letter to Erdogan: