Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Cain Marko » 16 Mar 2020 00:38

schinnas wrote:I wonder why India didnt cancel flights to Turkey. The recent techie who was infected came via Turkey Istanbul airport.

Especially since turkey is in the perfect climatic zone for the virus.

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Postby schinnas » 16 Mar 2020 19:15

Turkey reported first COVID infection 5 days back. Had only 6 till yesterday. But reported 12 new cases today. Compared to the size of their population, their per capita infection is higher than India now. Things will get interesting for Erdogan shortly. He cannot afford to extend his amry in Libya and Syria.

Also Turks are heavy smokers. COVID will be very acute if not deadly for their population. Feeling sorry for the people (not Erdogan).

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Deans » 16 Mar 2020 22:35

All flights from Turkey have just been stopped by GOI.

I believe we have a range of options w.r.t Syria/Turkey
1. Tourist advisory not to visit Turkey. Restrict slots of Turkish airlines (their code share partner Indigo loses money on the Istanbul route and will
be happy to stop).
2. Unwritten policy of no govt contracts (like Warships) to Turkish companies, which can be done without invoking WTO strictures.
3. Train officers of the SAA (which we historically have done with Iraq & Afghanistan). Supply older Soviet hardware and help them maintain
what they have. Israel will not mind as that hardware is not a threat to the IDF (their concern is Hezbollah, long range missiles and the S 3/400).
4. Rake up Armenian genocide /Kurdish atrocities /Detention of journalists etc at all forums.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Vikas » 16 Mar 2020 22:36

^^Also they are right at the cusp of temperature where corona virus feels at home and survives.
I expect number to cross 100 before end of next week.
Can Erdogan survive Corona ?

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Postby kit » 16 Mar 2020 23:16

schinnas wrote:Turkey reported first COVID infection 5 days back. Had only 6 till yesterday. But reported 12 new cases today. Compared to the size of their population, their per capita infection is higher than India now. Things will get interesting for Erdogan shortly. He cannot afford to extend his amry in Libya and Syria.

Also Turks are heavy smokers. COVID will be very acute if not deadly for their population. Feeling sorry for the people (not Erdogan).


what if erdo gan tests + , erdo gone ?

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby chetak » 19 Mar 2020 14:46

old news from April 2016, but it is still relevant today when the turks hypocritically mouthing off about "religious" persecution in India


Islamist Turkey seizes ALL Christian churches in city and declares them 'state property'



TURKEY'S Islamist government has stepped up its war on Christianity by seizing all the churches in one city and declaring them state property.

By NICK GUTTERIDGE
PUBLISHED:Fri, Apr 22, 2016



President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has taken control of six churches in the war-torn southeastern city of Diyarbakir in his latest move to squash freedom of speech and religious movement.

The state-sanctioned seizure is just the latest in a number of worrying developments to come out of increasingly hardline Turkey, which is in advanced talks with the EU over visa-free travel for its 80 million citizens.

Included in the seizures are Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox churches, one of which is over 1,700 years old.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Vikas » 19 Mar 2020 16:19

schinnas wrote:Turkey reported first COVID infection 5 days back. Had only 6 till yesterday. But reported 12 new cases today. Compared to the size of their population, their per capita infection is higher than India now. Things will get interesting for Erdogan shortly. He cannot afford to extend his amry in Libya and Syria.

Also Turks are heavy smokers. COVID will be very acute if not deadly for their population. Feeling sorry for the people (not Erdogan).


Turkey reported its first two deaths related to the coronavirus pandemic and announced its confirmed cases surged to 191 till Wednesday.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby chetak » 19 Mar 2020 17:51

Vikas wrote:
schinnas wrote:Turkey reported first COVID infection 5 days back. Had only 6 till yesterday. But reported 12 new cases today. Compared to the size of their population, their per capita infection is higher than India now. Things will get interesting for Erdogan shortly. He cannot afford to extend his amry in Libya and Syria.

Also Turks are heavy smokers. COVID will be very acute if not deadly for their population. Feeling sorry for the people (not Erdogan).


Turkey reported its first two deaths related to the coronavirus pandemic and announced its confirmed cases surged to 191 till Wednesday.


why :mrgreen:

Do you really think all the turkis love us and only erdogan hates us

this is a typical Indianism.

people to people contacts is a propaganda myth and psyops.

it is only the foolish Hindu who sings "eashwara, allah tero naam, sabko sanmati de bhagwan". You will never find any minority who thinks or ever sings this piece of crap.

the paki people, as do the beedis and the lankans, hate us.

the racist goras look down on us.

if people to people contacts were fine as many claim, then why are so many gora and jehadis mofos over here in India trying so hard to convert the Hindus.
If they are looking to convert people here it simply means they think that they as well as their culture and civilization are far superior to ours. So, in reality, they look down on us.

no amount of sugar coating is going to change the fact the chalk and cheese just do not mix.

what remains is only the civility of social intercourse between nations as it well should be but we are blinded to being fooled by their cunning taqiya because we never seem to know better.

can you deny that erdogan is playing turki islamic jehadi politics and saying exactly what he knows his jehadi constituency wants to hear.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Parasu » 19 Mar 2020 21:23

Erdogan is a fairly popular leader in Turkey. It's the people who have voted him into power and keep him there.
In fact, the masses (majority) were always conservative but were kept in line by the secular westernised army. That's why there were so many coups.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby chetak » 23 Mar 2020 14:24

unfortunate


Indian Defence @IndianDefenceRA 11:32 AM · Mar 23, 2020

India is going ahead with a $2.3 billion (about Rs 15,000 crore) deal to manufacture fleet support vessels (FSVs) in collaboration with a Turkish shipyard .. (ET)

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby schinnas » 23 Mar 2020 16:49

The vast majority of the contract is for Indian manufacturers. Turkish shipyard are more like design consultants than anything else. It is very possible that the other alternatives might have been costlier. Given the current economic situation and their currency valuation, Turkish quote might have been the cheapest. While punishing Turkey, we don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Just cutting tourism from India would do.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 23 Mar 2020 17:47

Stupid decision. These are not some hi tech warships. Even if it costs little more, we could have given the contracts to any of our allies. or even L&T could have delivered them. If we dont want to cancel this deal, then why make a pretense before and become a laughing stock now ? Erdogan will continue to poke India and comment on Indian internal affairs. We keep on giving impression to Turkey that how much shyte they give us, we will continue to do business with them with no backlash. That is what emboldens them.
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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Vips » 23 Mar 2020 17:49

Concern was also of these jihadis moving around in our shipyard during the construction of these warships. A turkish speaking paki could easily be made a part of this group to spy on us.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 23 Mar 2020 17:55

Turks needs to be shown their place not pampered.

Look at the connections Turkish jihadis are making in India

https://twitter.com/BBTheorist/status/1 ... 94945?s=20

In Patna, Bihar, local Muslims helped Muslims from Turkey hide in a mosque without informing the authorities. Police nabbed them after the locals complained
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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Krita » 23 Mar 2020 18:00

Rony wrote:Turks needs to be shown their place not pampered.

Look at the connections Turkish jihadis are making in India

https://twitter.com/BBTheorist/status/1 ... 94945?s=20

In Patna, Bihar, local Muslims helped Muslims from Turkey hide in a mosque without informing the authorities. Police nabbed them after the locals complained
.

Looking at their Mongoloid features I guess they are Uighirs.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 23 Mar 2020 18:30

You may be right. I wonder is that how mamluks, khaljis, tughlaqs or Babur used to look like ?

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Bart S » 23 Mar 2020 23:10

As per news article, they were from Kazakhstan/some CAR.

Giving defense contracts to Turkish companies defies all logic though.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 24 Mar 2020 06:59

Why, why, why

The defence ministry’s vigilance department was asked to review the order and gave a go-ahead, said one of the persons, who did not wish to be identified. Similarly, inputs were received from MEA on diplomatic implications, after which it was decided to proceed with the Turkish collaborator



More on the specifics of the deal

A member of the SAHA Istanbul Defense, Aviation and Aerospace Cluster, Turkey's largest industrial group that has undertaken important responsibilities for the country's defence and aviation industries, TAIS will manufacture the ships in a local shipyard as part of the Indian project.

As part of its tasks in the project, TAIS will be responsible for the modernization of the shipyard, the design of the ships, engineering services, planning and management of production, preparation of shipbuilding material specifications and main materials.


So HSL will not build anything, it will be the jihadi turks who will do that from the scratch to the finished product including planning and management of production in HSL facility. great.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby schinnas » 24 Mar 2020 23:45

Bewildering! Wonder if there was something in the contract that could have meant a big penalty of we were to walk away.

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby schinnas » 28 Mar 2020 08:54

Turkey is under full blown covid19 attack. Seems like they are well into stage 3.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey ... -92-153353

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby Rony » 29 Mar 2020 05:36

Videos inside tweet

https://twitter.com/kurdistannews24/sta ... 32481?s=20

Eyewitnesses are reporting 400 to 500 people died from #coronavirus in #Turkey, only in one day ( English subtitled report )

while Turkey has arrested 600 people for posts on social media about the #COVID19 &
says only 92 people have died from #Virus

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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Postby chetak » 03 Apr 2020 16:16

Rony wrote:Why, why, why

The defence ministry’s vigilance department was asked to review the order and gave a go-ahead, said one of the persons, who did not wish to be identified. Similarly, inputs were received from MEA on diplomatic implications, after which it was decided to proceed with the Turkish collaborator



More on the specifics of the deal

A member of the SAHA Istanbul Defense, Aviation and Aerospace Cluster, Turkey's largest industrial group that has undertaken important responsibilities for the country's defence and aviation industries, TAIS will manufacture the ships in a local shipyard as part of the Indian project.

As part of its tasks in the project, TAIS will be responsible for the modernization of the shipyard, the design of the ships, engineering services, planning and management of production, preparation of shipbuilding material specifications and main materials.


So HSL will not build anything, it will be the jihadi turks who will do that from the scratch to the finished product including planning and management of production in HSL facility. great.


here is one opinion


India to go ahead with $2.3 billion Turkish shipyard deal.. Turkish shipyards are a major supplier of warships to the Pakistani Navy and concerns had been raised on how access to the strategic HSL by its engineers and workers could result in serious security issues. HSL is located close to the Ship Building Centre, where India’s nuclear armed submarines are built, as well as the Eastern Naval headquarters.


all that is now required to make this a truly complex mix are a few local jehadis who are convinced that the ummah is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

during their stay, the turks will only employ specific people as domestic help, drivers and righteously seek out the halal in most of their dealings.

of course, the IB will be watching every turki and their contacts, tapping all phones and monitoring all movement.


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