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Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 29 Mar 2017 22:25
by Bhurishravas
Turkey will be the next country to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan. Photochor or no photochor.
Ties between the two jihaad supporting states looks to be headed in that direction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... clear.html
Pro-Erdogan Turkish daily calls on the country to obtain nuclear weapons and hints that it should stop fighting ISIS

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 29 Mar 2017 22:33
by Karthik S
Bhurishravas wrote:Turkey will be the next country to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan. Photochor or no photochor.
Ties between the two jihaad supporting states looks to be headed in that direction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... clear.html
Pro-Erdogan Turkish daily calls on the country to obtain nuclear weapons and hints that it should stop fighting ISIS


Don't think khan will look the other way if Turkey 'buys' nukes unlike when TSP got their nukes.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 29 Mar 2017 23:05
by sudeepj
Turkey due to Geopolitics is the key to the Mediterranean. Obama messed up bigleague in letting Erdogan sink hi tentacles so deep in what used to be a moderate state and a little less moderate (but still modern and moderate by Islamic standards) society. What ever Erdogan does, he will continue to be given a really long rope.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 29 Mar 2017 23:46
by JE Menon
Bhurishravas wrote:Turkey will be the next country to buy nuclear weapons from Pakistan. Photochor or no photochor.
Ties between the two jihaad supporting states looks to be headed in that direction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... clear.html
Pro-Erdogan Turkish daily calls on the country to obtain nuclear weapons and hints that it should stop fighting ISIS


This was anticipated last year by Regen Trahe here

https://swarajyamag.com/world/the-world ... -coalition

Seems the framework is being assembled when you consider Gen. Raheel of Pakistan being made commander of Islamic NATO based in Saudi Arabia.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 30 Mar 2017 00:34
by Bheeshma
Its is sunni NATO sort of alliance and is going to go up against, Iran-syria-Russia-Houti-hezbollah axis. Sit back and enjoy, grab a pop corn as you see pakis being torn apart by their desire to be araps faithfool servants and wanting weapons from Russia and cheen.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 30 Mar 2017 03:38
by Bhurishravas
Erdogan getting nukes will be problematic for everyone. Europe and Russia both. But it is fait accompli now imho.
Jinn got out of the bottle the day Pakis got the nukes.
Nothing Uncle/aunty or anyone can do about it now.
Erdogan is tying up with all like minded jihadi states and would be loathe to let this opportunity to get his hands on nukes go. Pakistanis would sell to anyone who could give them some dollars in return.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 30 Mar 2017 05:45
by Singha
Khan did nothing while pak got it nukes
Khan will do nothing in turkeys case
Infact sections of khan will be happy to have another nuclear cats paw to block russia into black sea and other regional saber rattling...they will dare iran to go nuclear and hit them militarily and sanctions

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 30 Mar 2017 19:14
by Philip
With the Germans wanting to relocate from Incirlik air base,the sh&t will hit the fan if the Turks in Germany throng to oro-Erdogan rallies as he is organising. The German govt. should take a v.hard line with any protestors and threaten instant deportation of any Turks who take part in such rallies.Connfiscation of their properties,huge fines,etc. should come with the "reward" for attending the rallies. This is a good first step fro Germany and instigating moves to suspend/expel Turkey from NATO should be the next.Turkey will never be allowed to join the EU and if it tries to send in millions more "refugees" from the ME,then Germany should punish it militarily and economically.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 31 Mar 2017 04:17
by Bhurishravas
Philip wrote:With the Germans wanting to relocate from Incirlik air base,the sh&t will hit the fan if the Turks in Germany throng to oro-Erdogan rallies as he is organising. The German govt. should take a v.hard line with any protestors and threaten instant deportation of any Turks who take part in such rallies.Connfiscation of their properties,huge fines,etc. should come with the "reward" for attending the rallies. This is a good first step fro Germany and instigating moves to suspend/expel Turkey from NATO should be the next.Turkey will never be allowed to join the EU and if it tries to send in millions more "refugees" from the ME,then Germany should punish it militarily and economically.


There are too many 2nd and 3rd generation turks in Germany. In fact they are the majority and not the refugees. Germany cant take any action against these as they hold german citizenship. Germany can punish Turkey economically though. And that is what is holding Erdogan back in going fully against the EU. Germany has got shafts that could really hurt Turkey.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 31 Mar 2017 06:14
by Singha
Why does Germany need a foreign base. It has not taken part in Massa adventures.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 31 Mar 2017 17:28
by Lalmohan
defence of turkey

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 02 Apr 2017 21:56
by Bhurishravas
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04 ... igh-alert/
Netherlands on ‘High Alert’ After Erdogan Supporters Stab Kurdish Voters in Belgium


But that is not the interesting thing.
Here is -
“I’m telling you Europe, do you have that courage? If you want, we’ll send the 15,000 refugees to you that we don’t send each month and blow your mind,” threatened interior minister Süleyman Soylu during the dispute.


So, Turkey is using the refugees to blackmail Europe. It is like saying, we will send 15000 terrorists and see if you can handle it.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 02 Apr 2017 23:24
by Singha
Its presently moving them.enmasse into idlib with fresh munitions. Ruaf bombed some warehouses just inside idlib border last night.

So turkey has completed its transition to pakistan...loud talk and threats against its backers and donors and exporting terror to syria

All thats missing is the sunni atom bomb

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 Apr 2017 00:27
by Bhurishravas
https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terro ... -in-spring

As Euphrates Shield comes to an end, Erdoğan says Turkey will launch new anti-terror ops in spring

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Monday that Turkey is now preparing for new anti-terror operations elsewhere in the region against terrorist groups after completing the first stage of Operation Euphrates Shield.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 Apr 2017 09:39
by g.sarkar
Bhurishravas wrote:There are too many 2nd and 3rd generation turks in Germany. In fact they are the majority and not the refugees. Germany cant take any action against these as they hold german citizenship. Germany can punish Turkey economically though. And that is what is holding Erdogan back in going fully against the EU. Germany has got shafts that could really hurt Turkey.

Sirji,
German citizenship is not based on birth, but blood (that is race). The 4th or 5th generation Turks in Germany are still Turks unless they have asked for and been given German citizenship. Things are a little bit better now, but in my days no one asked for German citizenship, because it did not bring any advantage at all. Even the civil servants would tell you after you got the German citizenship, you are now a foreigner with a German passport, you are still not a German. When I was studying German language, there were many in my class who were ethnic Germans (Volga Deutsch) from Russia, who spoke no German at all. But all were given German citizenship due to German blood and entitled to all the benefits. Contrast that with a Turk, who's great grandfather came from Turkey, who was born there and spoke fluent German, but could not become a German unless he applied for and was granted the citizenship. There are clauses in the visa given to such foreigners that allows them to be sent back. One reason for example is public safety. As Germany is politically weak, they do not easily deport people with roots there, but it can be done.
Gautam

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 Apr 2017 10:02
by Atmavik
^^^ how difficult is this application process for foreigners born in Germany?

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 Apr 2017 18:03
by Bhurishravas
g.sarkar wrote:
Bhurishravas wrote:There are too many 2nd and 3rd generation turks in Germany. In fact they are the majority and not the refugees. Germany cant take any action against these as they hold german citizenship. Germany can punish Turkey economically though. And that is what is holding Erdogan back in going fully against the EU. Germany has got shafts that could really hurt Turkey.

Sirji,
German citizenship is not based on birth, but blood (that is race). The 4th or 5th generation Turks in Germany are still Turks unless they have asked for and been given German citizenship. Things are a little bit better now, but in my days no one asked for German citizenship, because it did not bring any advantage at all. Even the civil servants would tell you after you got the German citizenship, you are now a foreigner with a German passport, you are still not a German. When I was studying German language, there were many in my class who were ethnic Germans (Volga Deutsch) from Russia, who spoke no German at all. But all were given German citizenship due to German blood and entitled to all the benefits. Contrast that with a Turk, who's great grandfather came from Turkey, who was born there and spoke fluent German, but could not become a German unless he applied for and was granted the citizenship. There are clauses in the visa given to such foreigners that allows them to be sent back. One reason for example is public safety. As Germany is politically weak, they do not easily deport people with roots there, but it can be done.
Gautam


Thank you for the info.
I fund this on wiki.- "Children of foreigners born on German soil are now granted German citizenship automatically if the parent has been in Germany for at least eight years as a legal immigrant."
Also there is some difference between granting citizenship and `becoming german`, if you get what I mean. There are about 3 million turks in Germany? What is their status? Some info on this would be nice. Thanks in advance.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 Apr 2017 18:30
by Bhurishravas
http://aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-3-sol ... ack/787431
Turkey: 3 soldiers martyred in PKK attack
PKK terrorists detonate a roadside bomb while a security convoy was passing by

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 Apr 2017 07:56
by Singha
As predicted by brf...

Erdogan's cleric calls for Turkish nuclear weapons as a counterbalance to the West.
@MEMRIReports
https://t.co/t0XOpg0RFp

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 Apr 2017 07:57
by Singha
April 4, 2017
Special Dispatch
No.
6857
Erdoğan's Cleric Calls For Turkish Nuclear Weapons

In his March 16, 2017 column in the Turkish pro-AKP government daily Yeni Safak, Hayrettin Karaman, suggests, under the title "What To Do," that Turkey should develop its nuclear weapons capability as a counterbalance to the West. Karaman, a well-known professor of Islamic law in Turkey who is known for his closeness to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, is often referred to as Erdoğan's "fatwa-issuing imam" or Erdoğan's cleric.

This column was the first of two articles in as many weeks in Yeni Safak by commentators calling for Turkey to acquire weapons of mass destruction. On March 27, the daily's editor-in-chief Ibrahim Karagul called on Turkey to cease fighting the enemies of the West, presumably the Islamic State (ISIS), and to acquire all sorts of weapons, including nuclear ones (see MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 6845, Sensationalist Pro-Erdogan Turkish Daily Calls For Nuclear Weapons, A Stop To Fighting ISIS

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 Apr 2017 07:58
by Singha
And we know who will provide the tot and license manufacture :)

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 Apr 2017 08:01
by Singha
Turkey going n will result in iran going n, which would make them hard to target by the west.

So the sultan will now extract a huge economic pkg as a payoff not to go n while having his boys beat the must go n drum loudly. Eu will now crap in their pants at thought offending turkey

West:0 Turkey:1

Look for deliberate leaks of turko pakistani n coop and subsequent writeups by western think tanks that turkey must be placated and kept inside tent at all costs. This would include turning a blind eye to their iraq and syria activity

Look for trip and deals with cheen and russia to increase the sense of bird fleeing coop

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 Apr 2017 11:48
by Philip
Superbly said Singha! The Pakis have nothing else to sell other than terrorists!
A strong argument for us to provide Vietnam with nuke-tech. when the Chinese proliferate so much with Pak and the world turns a Nelsonian eye to it.

Indo-Turk relations will never hit it off,because in Erdogan you have the Moslem would be Caliph-of-the-Islamic-world,Sultan of the neo-Ottoman empire (in hope).His grand delusions make him a wanna-be Hitler,who "will make Turkey great again!"

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 Apr 2017 15:10
by Bhurishravas
Turkey is lost to the West already. Erdogan is taking it down the grand Islamic rule route.
Trump in his infinite stupidity is still trying to keep Turkey an ally. That is amusing at best.
IMHO both US and Russia have underestimated the islamic challenge. Include China in there too.
The way `they` have been hobnobbing with Taliban in Afghanistan or with moderate jihadis in Syria is a clear sign.
Bharat needs to be ready. It has no friends in this war.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 06 Apr 2017 22:56
by Bhurishravas
Cross posting
Erdogan has a problem with Kurds flying their flags in Iraq too.
Turkey's Erdogan calls on Iraqi Kurds to lower Kurdish flag in Kirkuk

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday called on Iraqi Kurds to lower the Kurdish flag in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, warning that failure to do so would damage their relations with Turkey.
Kirkuk, one of Iraq's disputed territories, has Kurdish, Arab, and Turkmen populations. Kurdish peshmerga forces took control of it in 2014 when Islamic State overran around a third of Iraq and the army's northern divisions disintegrated.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN1761PP

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 10 Apr 2017 22:17
by Bhurishravas
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russi ... SKBN17A0RI
Suspect in Russia metro bombing traveled to Turkey, say co-workers

During the course of 2014, said the former work colleague, Jalilov developed an interest in Islam. He prayed, went to the mosque, read the Koran, and started growing a beard. But the source said he did not notice any signs of extremism.


Turkey is the new pakistan.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 12 Apr 2017 15:13
by Bhurishravas
If you stop my terrorists from working and spreading terror, We wont tell you about other terrorists.
http://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-w ... ow-report/
Turkey won’t cooperate with Belgian intelligence after mosque row: report
Belgium blocked funding for the mosque after reports it was engaged in ‘unacceptable practices.’

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 17 Apr 2017 01:51
by Bhurishravas
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... ial-powers
Erdogan claims victory in referendum.
This cements his rule till 2027.
This means there will be an islamist anti-India rule in Turkey for next one decade,

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 01 May 2017 10:01
by Karthik S
The life and career of nationalist icon, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmad Ansari, will be the focus when President Erdogan of Turkey receives an honorary degree at the Jamia Milia Islamia on Monday.

President Erdogan who landed in the capital on Sunday evening will be hosted at the Dr. M.A. Ansari Auditorium of the Jamia Milia Islamia where Vice-Chancellor Lt. Gen. (Retired) M.A. Zaki will confer the Degree of Doctor of Letters to him, stated an announcement from the university.

Ansari was one of the leading lights of the freedom movement who also led the People’s Mission to Ottoman Empire during 1912-1913.

The former Ambassador of Turkey Burak Agcapar authored a book on Ansari recounting the episode when he led the mission to Turkey during the Balkan war.

In recent years, Jamia Milia Islamia has emerged as an important centre for studies in Turkish language and culture.


http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e ... 343464.ece

Wow, just wow. And as reciprocity, Turkey has offered its advice to resolve cashmere problem.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 01 May 2017 14:33
by g.sarkar
Bhurishravas wrote:Thank you for the info.
I fund this on wiki.- "Children of foreigners born on German soil are now granted German citizenship automatically if the parent has been in Germany for at least eight years as a legal immigrant."
Also there is some difference between granting citizenship and `becoming german`, if you get what I mean. There are about 3 million turks in Germany? What is their status? Some info on this would be nice. Thanks in advance.


This is what I found from Wiki:
"For decades Turkish citizens in Germany were unable to become German citizens because of the traditional German construct of "nationhood". The legal notion of citizenship was based on "blood ties" of a German parent (jus sanguinis) – as opposed to citizenship based on country of birth and residence (jus soli). This adhered to the political notion that Germany was not a country of immigration.[60] For this reason, only those who were of partial Turkish origin (and had one parent who was ethnically German) could obtain German citizenship.
In 1990 Germany's citizenship law was somewhat relaxed with the introduction of the Foreigner's Law; this gave Turkish workers the right to apply for a permanent residency permit after eight years of living in the country.[61] In regards to people of Turkish origin born in Germany, who were also legally "foreign", they were given the right to acquire German citizenship at the age of eighteen, provided that they gave up their Turkish citizenship. Hence, they were deprived of the right to hold dual citizenship because it would increase the Turkish population in the country."

I do not see anywhere that citizenship is granted automatically to a 5th or 6th generation Turkish citizen living in Germany. They have to apply, prove that they know adequate German, and are without a criminal record. Then they may get German citizenship. Most of my Indian friends did not opt for German citizenship because the society just would not accept them as Germans, however long they stayed. So, a permanent residence was as good as it went. It is said you can never become a German, but you could hold a German passport. This is not the case with UK or USA,where most Indians who are in the country for a long time opt for citizenship.
Gautam

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 01 May 2017 22:20
by Gagan
Well,
Ombaba, bless his kind soul, did try to do a Coup on Erdogan, and now Turkey-US relations are at an alltime low.

Erdogan was in Delhi to either sniff at what India thought of Turkey-Pakistan-China N deal, and to assuage feathers in Delhi possibly.
Business etc is a sideline.

Not many people know, but India has given Turkish construction firms contracts to build dams in J&K.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 02 May 2017 00:54
by Bheeshma
India should recognize Armenian genocide first.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 03 May 2017 00:01
by g.sarkar
http://www.firstpost.com/category/world
Narendra Modi govt must act cautiously in dealing with Turkey's Erdoğan, not fuel a radical Islamist fire

by Ghulam Rasool Dehlavi

An earlier Firstpost article theorised that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to India has provided “fresh fillip” to India-Turkey relations. Buttressing this point, the author produced two major reasons in his argument: first, the regional contexts in which the two countries — India and Turkey — are working to support each other’s role. Second, Turkey’s "normalised" ties with Israel has a stabilising role in the region, which is key to the India-Turkey relations.
While the second factor was clearly at play when Erdoğan visited India since Turkey has signed a reconciliation deal with Israel, the first premise does not stand to scrutiny given the Turkey-Pakistan close relationship. Most surprisingly, many analysts, including the above author, have conveniently skipped the ideological angel of Erdoğan's visit to India. It is important to unravel as to what political and economic agendas the Turkish President has pursued during his visit to India. But it is equally important to delve deeper into the ideological motives of the current Turkish President in view of his affinity to political Islamism. From an Indian Muslim's point of view, a far more important question is: how will India tackle the theoretical persuasion of Erdoğan or Erdoğanism for the Muslims?
...
On the other hand, Erdoğan endorses the religious extremism growing in his country in the grab of political Islam. As a political Islamist leader, he wants his own Islamic state in Turkey. Since the time his party, Justice and Development Party (abbreviated as AKP in Turkish) came to power, Islamism has been employed in Turkey in a brutal way to further the political ends. The Islamist leaders of this Turkish political party profess and practise Islam as an ideology, rather than a spiritual path. Thus, it is self-evident that they will end up with the creation of an Islamic caliphate, sooner or later, which will ultimately eliminate the country's deep-rooted liberalism and secular democracy. Given this ideological perspective, caution is warranted on the Indian government's bid to enhance ties with the political Islamist regime of the present-day Turkey.

Gautam

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 03 May 2017 00:46
by ramana
Erdogan will be seeing Putin in Sochi tomorrow i.e. 3 May 2017 right after India.

The First post article is nonsense. Erdogan is apolitical leader who just survived a US coup.

He is trying to survive.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 03 May 2017 04:35
by Bhurishravas
ramana wrote:Erdogan will be seeing Putin in Sochi tomorrow i.e. 3 May 2017 right after India.

The First post article is nonsense. Erdogan is apolitical leader who just survived a US coup.

He is trying to survive.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 03 May 2017 05:20
by sudeepj
g.sarkar wrote:
Bhurishravas wrote:There are too many 2nd and 3rd generation turks in Germany. In fact they are the majority and not the refugees. Germany cant take any action against these as they hold german citizenship. Germany can punish Turkey economically though. And that is what is holding Erdogan back in going fully against the EU. Germany has got shafts that could really hurt Turkey.

Sirji,
German citizenship is not based on birth, but blood (that is race). The 4th or 5th generation Turks in Germany are still Turks unless they have asked for and been given German citizenship. Things are a little bit better now, but in my days no one asked for German citizenship, because it did not bring any advantage at all. Even the civil servants would tell you after you got the German citizenship, you are now a foreigner with a German passport, you are still not a German. When I was studying German language, there were many in my class who were ethnic Germans (Volga Deutsch) from Russia, who spoke no German at all. But all were given German citizenship due to German blood and entitled to all the benefits. Contrast that with a Turk, who's great grandfather came from Turkey, who was born there and spoke fluent German, but could not become a German unless he applied for and was granted the citizenship. There are clauses in the visa given to such foreigners that allows them to be sent back. One reason for example is public safety. As Germany is politically weak, they do not easily deport people with roots there, but it can be done.
Gautam


Whoa! Today I learned! These people can easily become stateless.. So much anger and hate, and so little real power!

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 03 May 2017 20:25
by shashankk
I am still wondering what did India or Turkey achieve out of this visit by ErdoGan. Unless there are some undeclared understanding between two leaders I dont see any achievement of this trip. He came, shook hands ate food, reiterated Old stance for NSG and UNSC and went home. We achieved Zilch out of this trip.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 May 2017 05:38
by Bhurishravas
^^ This happens all the time in International diplomacy. Yesterday Erdogan met Putin. Nothing came of it.
Indian leaders probably thought the same. He can come and waste his two days. Indian leaders will waste their 2-3 hours and thats it.
To expect anything outta this trip was naive.

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 04 May 2017 05:57
by sum
^^ Well, the Cyprus prez was here and asking India to mediate between Turkey and Cyprus and IIRC, the joint statement with NaMo mentioned about territorial integrity of Cyprus ( aclear snub to Turkey).

So maybe this meeting was to convey to the Sultan to shut his trap reg TSP/Kashmir etc or else even India would rachet up its pinpricks. Never know what went on behind the doors

Re: Turkey News, discussions, India Turkey Relations

Posted: 05 May 2017 04:04
by Bhurishravas
^^ Actually Turkey has been pressuring Cyprus over the issue of gas exploration in the Mediterranean off the Cyprus coast. Erdogan has been using his navy to harass Cyprus. Here -
http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/05/04/turke ... l-players/


India has said absolutely nothing in spite of years of nonsensical one-sided diatribe by Erdogan. I doubt any will come from New Delhi. In fact, the foreign office and the minister are such idiots that they said nothing to support Russia, a long time friend, when jihadi Erdogan shot down a plane and murdered a Rusian pilot. So, it is too much to expect from fat morons to say anything now.