India & Brazil News and Discussion Thread-1

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India & Brazil News and Discussion Thread-1

Postby ramana » 16 Jul 2010 02:27

This decade from 2010 to 2020 is Brazil's decade in South America. It is scheduled to have two major sporitn events in this decade. It is high time we start seeing Brazil as a separate emerging economic power which is benefical for India. I am starting this new thread to make people aware of Brazil and its potential and explore synergies with India.
Thanks, ramana

For starters the CIA factbook on Brazil:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/br.html

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Postby harbans » 16 Jul 2010 04:15

Just spent some time in Brazil recently, some things noticed: Very little perception on India, i say that when they only talk about Bollywood. Interiors resemble Goa, though Goa seems more developed. Tremendously endowed with mineral and other natural wealth and that includes women..growing Chinese prescence. India must develop deeper relations IMHO.

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Postby Kanan » 18 Jul 2010 01:41

Brazil already feels that it is a superpower b'coz no nation challenges it in South America!

harbans wrote:Just spent some time in Brazil recently, some things noticed: Very little perception on India, i say that when they only talk about Bollywood. Interiors resemble Goa, though Goa seems more developed. Tremendously endowed with mineral and other natural wealth and that includes women..growing Chinese prescence. India must develop deeper relations IMHO.


I thought Brazilians were tremondously curious about Indian Culture! Is this view just a media hype?

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Postby Neshant » 18 Jul 2010 02:11

^^ Obviously hype.

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Postby anandsgh » 18 Jul 2010 02:41

Well.. my 2 centavos..
The TV soap "Caminho das Indias" was the most popular TV soap last year...
one clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K387DR6BYCQ

well... I met a Brazilian girl from Sao Paolo during my trip to St Malo, France and talked to her. We are culturally pretty much present there in Brazil.

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Postby Ardeshir » 18 Jul 2010 03:10

Been to Brazil and also spent a lot of time with Brazilians in a personal and professional capacity. They are definitely South American superpowers, though primarily because of a power vacuum there. And also very curious about the rest of the world including India. Perceptions vary from the usual stereotypes regarding the caste system to all the IT-industry related queries.
Specially within the elite circles there's also a lot of awareness of Yoga and Ayurveda, and these things are damn expensive in cities such as SP.
It's also amazing the kind of ethnic mixes one gets to see in Brasil. For example, Sao Paolo has one of the largest Japanese communities outside of Japan.

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Postby RajeshA » 18 Jul 2010 04:25

Lived in Brazil for 4 years! A long long long time ago! Once you catch it, it never quite leaves you! :)

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Postby svinayak » 19 Jul 2010 00:50

http://www.globalpolicy.org/social-and- ... 48488.html
"Father of the Poor" Has Triggered Economic Miracle

By Jens Glüsing

Spiegel
November 24, 2009

Brazil is seen as an economic success story and its people revere President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva like a star. He is on a mission to turn the country into one of the world's five biggest economies through reforms, giant infrastructure projects and by tapping vast oil reserves. But he faces hurdles.

Elizete Piauí has been waiting patiently for hours in the shade of a mango tree. She is wearing plastic sandals and baggy shorts over her thin legs. At 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit), the air is shimmering on this unusually hot day in Barra, a small city in the Sertão, the heart of northeastern Brazil. But Piauí isn't complaining, because today is her big day, the day she meets the president, who is working to provide her hut with running water.

The rattle of a helicopter signals his arrival. The white aircraft circles once over the crowd before landing. A motorcycle escort accompanies the Brazilian president to the ceremony.

Lula gets out of the limousine wearing a white linen shirt and a green military hat. Ignoring the local dignitaries in their dark suits, Lula heads straight for the crowd behind a security barrier. "Lula, Papai! (Papa Lula!)" Elizete calls out. He pulls her to his chest and shakes the hands of others in the crowd, allowing them to touch, stroke and embrace him. Beads of sweat are running down his flushed face, and people are tugging at his shirt, but Lula soaks in the attention. He feels at home here, in one of Brazil's poorest regions.

The president spends three days traveling through the Sertão. He knows the route. He came to the region 15 years ago for the first time on a campaign tour, traveling by bus and staying in inexpensive guesthouses. He made stops in every village square, seven or eight times a day, and usually held his speeches from the back of a truck. His voice was usually hoarse and weak by the evening, and he had to change his sweat-soaked shirt up to 10 times a day.

"He is Still One of us"

Now he travels in helicopters and armored cars, while police cars, their blue lights flashing, lead the way along country roads. Volunteers have set up air-conditioners and buffet meals at Lula's lodgings, and sometimes they even roll out a red carpet. The press criticizes the expense, but it doesn't trouble most Brazilians because they're proud of their president. He has made it to the top, they argue, so why shouldn't he enjoy his success? "He is still one of us," says Elizete, "because he is the father of the poor."

Lula is familiar with the fate of the Nordestinos, as the people in Brazil's poor Northeast Region are called. He was born in the Sertão, but his mother eventually put the children on the back of a truck and took them to São Paulo, 2,000 kilometers to the south. Lula's eventual rise to power began in São Paulo's industrial suburbs. His mother was one of the hundreds of thousands of have-nots who left the drought-plagued Sertão with its dried-up fields and livestock dying of thirst, and migrated to the wealthy south to work as doormen, waiters, construction workers or domestic servants.

In a plan to turn this arid region green, Lula is tapping into the waters of the 2,700-kilometer Rio São Francisco, the lifeline for large parts of Brazil. The river provides water to five states, but it makes a wide loop around the Sertão. Under Lula's plan, two canals will bring water from the river across 600 kilometers (375 miles) into the drought-ridden areas. "It's the least I can do for you," Lula calls out to the people in Barra.

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Re: India & Brazil News and Discussion Thread-1

Postby Carl_T » 19 Jul 2010 01:01

We should import some of their coaches. Perhaps a tie up with Sao Paulo FC or Corinthians is in order.

Regarding strategic relations I thought that Brazil was firmly in China's influence so it would be beneficial to undercut Chinese influence there. Can also be a defence market.

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Postby ramana » 19 Jul 2010 06:45

Carl_T, Brazil is India's Latin American Strategic partner since many decades. You will find many synergies and political initiatives undertaken by them in UN etc.

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Postby ramana » 27 Jul 2010 11:37

A lot of work to do...

IDB report says:

India Latin America have massive trade potential

India could become a major trade partner for Latin American and the Caribbean if governments can cut trade barriers and shipping costs are reduced, a study by the Inter-American Development Bank said.[/b

India’s 0.8 percent share of Latin American trade in 2008 compares with 7.7 percent for China, the bank said in a statement. Since Latin America is rich in the natural resources that are lacking in India, with a population of 1.1 billion, there is potential for “massive bilateral trade,” IDB President Luis Alberto Moreno wrote in a foreword to the study.

“Even though India is not yet on the radar of most Latin American and Caribbean policy makers and businessmen, at least not to the same extent as China, the region cannot afford to continue to ignore the implications of its emergence,” Moreno wrote.

China’s trade with Latin America and the Caribbean has been growing, with its 2008 share having climbed from 6.3 percent in 2007. India’s share has remained much lower partly because governments have yet to address trade obstacles, the IDB said.

[b]India’s average tariff on Latin American agriculture goods is 65 percent, more than five times China’s tariffs, the study showed. Latin American tariffs on Indian goods reach as high as 9.8 percent for manufactured products, well above the range of 4 percent to 6 percent imposed by developed nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation & Development, the IDB said.


Trade Talks

Transport costs are another major impediment to Latin American trade with India, the IDB said. Unlike China, India has no direct shipping service to Latin America, so goods must travel to Singapore or Europe first, it said.

A 10 percent cut in freight rates would probably boost imports of Indian goods by as much as 46 percent in Chile and 47 percent in Argentina, according to the report.


The study also urges countries in Latin American to address their “well known deficiencies” in education, access to credit, and infrastructure as India is poised to become a larger competitor to the region’s manufacturers.

Latin America needs to increase productivity and move away from labor-intensive goods, the report recommended.

“Governments in the region would be wise to acknowledge a scenario in which India joins China as a major exporter of manufactured goods,” the IDB report said. “It has become abundantly clear that the manufacturing ‘road’ to development has become highly congested and particularly hazardous for countries that cannot count on an abundant supply of skilled workers."


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Postby Manu » 28 Jul 2010 07:15

anandsgh wrote:Well.. my 2 centavos..
The TV soap "Caminho das Indias" was the most popular TV soap last year...
one clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K387DR6BYCQ

well... I met a Brazilian girl from Sao Paolo during my trip to St Malo, France and talked to her. We are culturally pretty much present there in Brazil.


Same stereotypes persist I guess.

Link
One of the main plot points is a forbidden love between castes, as played by two characters with different origins, Maya and Bahaun. Maya is clever and cheerful, an employee of a call-center in Rajasthan and part of a traditional family of tradesmen. Bahuan is finishing his studies in America, where he works, but could never forget the humiliation he had to go through as a child for being a dalit (untouchable).


Bahuan is the son of two servants, also untouchables, who were burned at the stake for accidentally touching their master while he bathed.

:roll:

One has to remember that the Portuguese (White Brazilians) took in 7 times the African slaves that US did. The Ethic Mix (or Cauldron: see "City of God") is a result of that.


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