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This decade from 2010 to 2020 is Brazil's decade in South America. It is scheduled to have two major sporitn events in this decade. It is high time we start seeing Brazil as a separate emerging economic power which is benefical for India. I am starting this new thread to make people aware of Brazil and its potential and explore synergies with India.
Thanks, ramana

For starters the CIA factbook on Brazil:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/br.html
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Just spent some time in Brazil recently, some things noticed: Very little perception on India, i say that when they only talk about Bollywood. Interiors resemble Goa, though Goa seems more developed. Tremendously endowed with mineral and other natural wealth and that includes women..growing Chinese prescence. India must develop deeper relations IMHO.
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Brazil already feels that it is a superpower b'coz no nation challenges it in South America!
harbans wrote:Just spent some time in Brazil recently, some things noticed: Very little perception on India, i say that when they only talk about Bollywood. Interiors resemble Goa, though Goa seems more developed. Tremendously endowed with mineral and other natural wealth and that includes women..growing Chinese prescence. India must develop deeper relations IMHO.
I thought Brazilians were tremondously curious about Indian Culture! Is this view just a media hype?
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^^ Obviously hype.
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Well.. my 2 centavos..
The TV soap "Caminho das Indias" was the most popular TV soap last year...
one clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K387DR6BYCQ

well... I met a Brazilian girl from Sao Paolo during my trip to St Malo, France and talked to her. We are culturally pretty much present there in Brazil.
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Been to Brazil and also spent a lot of time with Brazilians in a personal and professional capacity. They are definitely South American superpowers, though primarily because of a power vacuum there. And also very curious about the rest of the world including India. Perceptions vary from the usual stereotypes regarding the caste system to all the IT-industry related queries.
Specially within the elite circles there's also a lot of awareness of Yoga and Ayurveda, and these things are damn expensive in cities such as SP.
It's also amazing the kind of ethnic mixes one gets to see in Brasil. For example, Sao Paolo has one of the largest Japanese communities outside of Japan.
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Lived in Brazil for 4 years! A long long long time ago! Once you catch it, it never quite leaves you! :)
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http://www.globalpolicy.org/social-and- ... 48488.html
"Father of the Poor" Has Triggered Economic Miracle

By Jens Glüsing

Spiegel
November 24, 2009

Brazil is seen as an economic success story and its people revere President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva like a star. He is on a mission to turn the country into one of the world's five biggest economies through reforms, giant infrastructure projects and by tapping vast oil reserves. But he faces hurdles.

Elizete Piauí has been waiting patiently for hours in the shade of a mango tree. She is wearing plastic sandals and baggy shorts over her thin legs. At 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit), the air is shimmering on this unusually hot day in Barra, a small city in the Sertão, the heart of northeastern Brazil. But Piauí isn't complaining, because today is her big day, the day she meets the president, who is working to provide her hut with running water.

The rattle of a helicopter signals his arrival. The white aircraft circles once over the crowd before landing. A motorcycle escort accompanies the Brazilian president to the ceremony.

Lula gets out of the limousine wearing a white linen shirt and a green military hat. Ignoring the local dignitaries in their dark suits, Lula heads straight for the crowd behind a security barrier. "Lula, Papai! (Papa Lula!)" Elizete calls out. He pulls her to his chest and shakes the hands of others in the crowd, allowing them to touch, stroke and embrace him. Beads of sweat are running down his flushed face, and people are tugging at his shirt, but Lula soaks in the attention. He feels at home here, in one of Brazil's poorest regions.

The president spends three days traveling through the Sertão. He knows the route. He came to the region 15 years ago for the first time on a campaign tour, traveling by bus and staying in inexpensive guesthouses. He made stops in every village square, seven or eight times a day, and usually held his speeches from the back of a truck. His voice was usually hoarse and weak by the evening, and he had to change his sweat-soaked shirt up to 10 times a day.

"He is Still One of us"

Now he travels in helicopters and armored cars, while police cars, their blue lights flashing, lead the way along country roads. Volunteers have set up air-conditioners and buffet meals at Lula's lodgings, and sometimes they even roll out a red carpet. The press criticizes the expense, but it doesn't trouble most Brazilians because they're proud of their president. He has made it to the top, they argue, so why shouldn't he enjoy his success? "He is still one of us," says Elizete, "because he is the father of the poor."

Lula is familiar with the fate of the Nordestinos, as the people in Brazil's poor Northeast Region are called. He was born in the Sertão, but his mother eventually put the children on the back of a truck and took them to São Paulo, 2,000 kilometers to the south. Lula's eventual rise to power began in São Paulo's industrial suburbs. His mother was one of the hundreds of thousands of have-nots who left the drought-plagued Sertão with its dried-up fields and livestock dying of thirst, and migrated to the wealthy south to work as doormen, waiters, construction workers or domestic servants.

In a plan to turn this arid region green, Lula is tapping into the waters of the 2,700-kilometer Rio São Francisco, the lifeline for large parts of Brazil. The river provides water to five states, but it makes a wide loop around the Sertão. Under Lula's plan, two canals will bring water from the river across 600 kilometers (375 miles) into the drought-ridden areas. "It's the least I can do for you," Lula calls out to the people in Barra.
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We should import some of their coaches. Perhaps a tie up with Sao Paulo FC or Corinthians is in order.

Regarding strategic relations I thought that Brazil was firmly in China's influence so it would be beneficial to undercut Chinese influence there. Can also be a defence market.
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Carl_T, Brazil is India's Latin American Strategic partner since many decades. You will find many synergies and political initiatives undertaken by them in UN etc.
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A lot of work to do...

IDB report says:

India Latin America have massive trade potential
India could become a major trade partner for Latin American and the Caribbean if governments can cut trade barriers and shipping costs are reduced, a study by the Inter-American Development Bank said.[/b

India’s 0.8 percent share of Latin American trade in 2008 compares with 7.7 percent for China, the bank said in a statement. Since Latin America is rich in the natural resources that are lacking in India, with a population of 1.1 billion, there is potential for “massive bilateral trade,” IDB President Luis Alberto Moreno wrote in a foreword to the study.

“Even though India is not yet on the radar of most Latin American and Caribbean policy makers and businessmen, at least not to the same extent as China, the region cannot afford to continue to ignore the implications of its emergence,” Moreno wrote.

China’s trade with Latin America and the Caribbean has been growing, with its 2008 share having climbed from 6.3 percent in 2007. India’s share has remained much lower partly because governments have yet to address trade obstacles, the IDB said.

India’s average tariff on Latin American agriculture goods is 65 percent, more than five times China’s tariffs, the study showed. Latin American tariffs on Indian goods reach as high as 9.8 percent for manufactured products, well above the range of 4 percent to 6 percent imposed by developed nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation & Development, the IDB said.

Trade Talks

Transport costs are another major impediment to Latin American trade with India, the IDB said. Unlike China, India has no direct shipping service to Latin America, so goods must travel to Singapore or Europe first, it said.

A 10 percent cut in freight rates would probably boost imports of Indian goods by as much as 46 percent in Chile and 47 percent in Argentina, according to the report.


The study also urges countries in Latin American to address their “well known deficiencies” in education, access to credit, and infrastructure as India is poised to become a larger competitor to the region’s manufacturers.

Latin America needs to increase productivity and move away from labor-intensive goods, the report recommended.

“Governments in the region would be wise to acknowledge a scenario in which India joins China as a major exporter of manufactured goods,” the IDB report said. “It has become abundantly clear that the manufacturing ‘road’ to development has become highly congested and particularly hazardous for countries that cannot count on an abundant supply of skilled workers."

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anandsgh wrote:Well.. my 2 centavos..
The TV soap "Caminho das Indias" was the most popular TV soap last year...
one clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K387DR6BYCQ

well... I met a Brazilian girl from Sao Paolo during my trip to St Malo, France and talked to her. We are culturally pretty much present there in Brazil.
Same stereotypes persist I guess.
Link
One of the main plot points is a forbidden love between castes, as played by two characters with different origins, Maya and Bahaun. Maya is clever and cheerful, an employee of a call-center in Rajasthan and part of a traditional family of tradesmen. Bahuan is finishing his studies in America, where he works, but could never forget the humiliation he had to go through as a child for being a dalit (untouchable).
Bahuan is the son of two servants, also untouchables, who were burned at the stake for accidentally touching their master while he bathed.
:roll:

One has to remember that the Portuguese (White Brazilians) took in 7 times the African slaves that US did. The Ethic Mix (or Cauldron: see "City of God") is a result of that.
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I know it's a late post but really liked the choice of image.. :)

Image
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In regard to India/Brazil relations discussion in the space thread.....

I went to Brazil regularly between 2005 to 2012... Sao Paulo and Rio.
Nearly monthly on occasions
MY FAVOURITE DESTINATION ON THE PLANET APART FROM TLV

I can honestly say there is no other place on earth where my brown skin and Indianess is
so well received.
All the hugest and meanest bouncers you could ever imagine guarding the doors on
bars and restaurants have always been assiduously polite and generous....
Same goes for anyone you might meet inside said establishments, shall we say.

I will not go into detail but if one is a single male of Indian origin/brown skin
I can tell you that the reception from the... well you know what I mean.......
is the warmest any Indian male could expect anywhere on the planet.

And yes they are... hotsy totsy.

They hate the gringo and attitudes to black people is not politically correct...
not wishing to generalize
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Thanks for authentic report.
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Strangely more than technology or anything modern, it is Gujrat's Gir cow which has been the biggest connection between Brazil and India for decades. Would love to see some commercial aviation co-operation with Embraer. Its a huge win-win for both sides.

The Indian cattle breed behind the white revolution in Brazil
...
The milk processing industry in India is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of nearly 14.8 per cent between FY 2018 and FY 2023, and will touch Rs 2,458.7 billion in FY 2023. On the other hand, Brazil has had an average growth of 7 per cent in world milk production, which has led the country to occupy the fifth position in terms of volume. Maharaja of Bhavnagar, Gujarat, Krishna Kumarsinhji Bhavsinhji and first Indian Governor of Madras was instrumental in changing the fortunes of the Brazilian dairy industry.

In the 18th century, Maharaja gifted a `Gir’ cattle pair to Celso Garcia Cid, an icon in the history of Brazilian livestock and successful entrepreneur. This breed is famous for its down horns and reddish-white coat. The bull gifted was named `Krishna’, after one of the most popular Hindu gods worshipped in India.

When Krishna was brought to Brazil in 1960, it started a genetic revolution that made `Gir’ one of the most valued breeds in the bovine embryo market and spawned a mixed breed. It is estimated that 80 per cent of Brazilian `Gir’ cattle carry genes from the `Krishna’ bull that is now referred to as `Gyr’. The `Gyr’ was subsequently crossbred with Holstein, a Dutch variety, to create the hybrid ‘Girolando’. This breed grew rapidly across Brazil and contributed to about 80 per cent of the nation’s milk production and was registered officially in 1989 by Brazil’s agriculture ministry.

Gir cows which brought a white revolution in Brazil, has over the years, become a high milk-yielding breed and is quite popular in South American countries due to its ability to survive in extreme weather and tropical diseases.

Brazil now has about 40 lakh heads of `Gir’ cattle and a well-cared-for `Gir’ cow is capable of yielding an average of 30 to 40 litres of milk a day, and this can even go up to 60 to 70 litres. This huge amount of milk contributes to the Brazilian economy.

In recognition of the Gir’s role in the country’s economy, it finds a place on Brazil’s coins and in recognition of Maharaja Krishna Kumarsinhji Bhavsinhji’s contribution to its dairy industry; the country has erected a statue of the late ruler near its Parliament House. Over time, this breed has now spread across the American continent and the Gir cow is one of the principal `Zebu’ breeds of cattle that originated in India.
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chanakyaa wrote:Strangely more than technology or anything modern, it is Gujrat's Gir cow which has been the biggest connection between Brazil and India for decades. Would love to see some commercial aviation co-operation with Embraer. Its a huge win-win for both sides.

The Indian cattle breed behind the white revolution in Brazil
...
The milk processing industry in India is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of nearly 14.8 per cent between FY 2018 and FY 2023, and will touch Rs 2,458.7 billion in FY 2023. On the other hand, Brazil has had an average growth of 7 per cent in world milk production, which has led the country to occupy the fifth position in terms of volume. Maharaja of Bhavnagar, Gujarat, Krishna Kumarsinhji Bhavsinhji and first Indian Governor of Madras was instrumental in changing the fortunes of the Brazilian dairy industry.

In the 18th century, Maharaja gifted a `Gir’ cattle pair to Celso Garcia Cid, an icon in the history of Brazilian livestock and successful entrepreneur. This breed is famous for its down horns and reddish-white coat. The bull gifted was named `Krishna’, after one of the most popular Hindu gods worshipped in India.

When Krishna was brought to Brazil in 1960, it started a genetic revolution that made `Gir’ one of the most valued breeds in the bovine embryo market and spawned a mixed breed. It is estimated that 80 per cent of Brazilian `Gir’ cattle carry genes from the `Krishna’ bull that is now referred to as `Gyr’. The `Gyr’ was subsequently crossbred with Holstein, a Dutch variety, to create the hybrid ‘Girolando’. This breed grew rapidly across Brazil and contributed to about 80 per cent of the nation’s milk production and was registered officially in 1989 by Brazil’s agriculture ministry.

Gir cows which brought a white revolution in Brazil, has over the years, become a high milk-yielding breed and is quite popular in South American countries due to its ability to survive in extreme weather and tropical diseases.

Brazil now has about 40 lakh heads of `Gir’ cattle and a well-cared-for `Gir’ cow is capable of yielding an average of 30 to 40 litres of milk a day, and this can even go up to 60 to 70 litres. This huge amount of milk contributes to the Brazilian economy.

In recognition of the Gir’s role in the country’s economy, it finds a place on Brazil’s coins and in recognition of Maharaja Krishna Kumarsinhji Bhavsinhji’s contribution to its dairy industry; the country has erected a statue of the late ruler near its Parliament House. Over time, this breed has now spread across the American continent and the Gir cow is one of the principal `Zebu’ breeds of cattle that originated in India.
...
probably OT for this thread as such
There have been reports of the famous Ongloe breed also been taken from the telugu states for breeding in Brazil. 3-4 years ago while I was watching a regional program on young farmers who has taken up the responsibilty of local breeds, they alluded that the entrepreneurs from Brazil were giving quite a good sum for local farmers to take pure breed desi cows to grow in Brazil. They were lamenting how foreigners were finding the value in the desi breeds while local farmers were running after Jersey holstein breeds for more milk. The Ongole breed is famous for being sturdy and it was implied they were cross breeding it for meat purposes.
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Manish_P wrote:I know it's a late post but really liked the choice of image.. :)

Image
Very moving image, showing a high degree of cultural understanding and sophistication.

Just when I had bought wholesale the Western-propagated image of Bolsonaro as an uncouth fascist savage.
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Epic interference in Brazil’s elections, which is scheduled to occur in Oct’22.

Socialist nutjob Lula wa sent to jail in 2017 for bribery related changes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/7/1 ... rs-in-jail

He was pulled out in 2019 using all sources including UN human rights org to set up against Bosanaro in the upcoming elections
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases ... a-violated
Brazil: Criminal proceedings against former President Lula da Silva violated due process guarantees, UN Human Rights Committee finds
And now the headlines,

Brazil party official shot dead as pre-election political violence escalates

Brazil could face 'more severe' election unrest than the US Capitol riot, official warns

:rotfl: :rotfl:
Brazil’s Bolsonaro Asked Biden for Re-Election Help Against Lula
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Avtar Singh wrote:In regard to India/Brazil relations discussion in the space thread.....


I will not go into detail but if one is a single male of Indian origin/brown skin
I can tell you that the reception from the... well you know what I mean.......
is the warmest any Indian male could expect anywhere on the planet.

And yes they are... hotsy totsy.

They hate the gringo and attitudes to black people is not politically correct...
not wishing to generalize
:mrgreen: thats as good a motivation if anyone needs it !
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Reuters: Brazil's presidential election is headed for a run-off vote, electoral authorities said on Sunday, after President Jair Bolsonaro's surprising strength in a first-round vote spoiled rival Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's hopes of winning outright.

With 95% of electronic votes counted, Lula was ahead with 47.6% of votes versus 43.9% for Bolsonaro, the national electoral authority reported. As neither got a majority of support, the race will go to a second-round vote on Oct. 30.
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With over 90% of votes counted, results are:

- Lula da Silva: 50.6%
- Bolsonaro: 49.4%

Lula projected to win and likely to defeat fascist Bolsonaro (according to lefties). Regime change +1. BRICS :?:
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Hmmm
BRICS now probably go the way of NAM??? or will it turn BRC with a leftist government/CCP/Putinwa
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Lula is being quickly congratulated by Biden, Macron etc... Reports of clashes in several towns.
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Strange, in Brazil a party can't form govt unless they exceed 50% vote share and Lula exceeded by 0.1% (50.1 vs 49.6)
Different figures reported. https://www.wionews.com/world/brazil-pr ... win-529929

https://www.reuters.com/world/lula-or-b ... 022-10-28/ Lula or Bolsonaro? Putin says he has good relations with both
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The Brazilian people are taking to the streets demanding that the armed forces be activated because they do not accept the results of the election.
A mega demonstration is scheduled for 11.02.22 in front of the Brazilian army barracks
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/stat ... Cc_n_W0FPw
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