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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 27 Jul 2010 22:14

NPR's Fresh Air had Mark Mazzetti the NYT reporter who sifted thru the 92K documents. BTW he won a Pulitzer in 2009 for reporting the violence in TSP and Afghanistan.

LINK

The biggest revelations from the leaked documents:

"For me, the most interesting and biggest revelation was the level of detail about Pakistan's spy service, the ISI, and its involvement in the Afghan insurgency. This is not blockbuster news. We've been reporting for several years that the U.S. intelligence community believes that the ISI helps training and financing militant groups in Afghanistan, but what was striking to us was the level of detail about named operatives working in Pakistan and naming specific meetings — the dates, times and places — and even when we threw out some of this information because we didn't think it was credible, we were still left with a body of evidence that we thought was very credible. We then ran this by U.S. officials and they said that while they couldn't vouch for each individual intelligence report, it broadly does track with what the American intelligence community believes the spy service is up to."


So even people in the know are astounded at the Pak perfidy of taking money from US and aiding and training the Taliban suicide bombers for use in Afghanistan against US and NATO forces.

They have the podcast and transcript pending and please read them when they become available.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 27 Jul 2010 23:41

Night watch summary of reactions to Wikileaks on Af-Pak:

Reactions to Wikileaks on Afghanistan:

One of the more unfortunate decisions by the various media is to describe the leaked documents as the Afghanistan Log. The word connotes images of care, authority, and deliberation in recording events, as in a Captain's log. The leaked reports are not that kind of log at all. As noted previously, a field report is not proof of facts that it relates, but that is how some media are reporting: it's in the Afghanistan Log therefore it must be true. Nonsense.


All reports have date-time groups on them, but analysts select for retention some reports from the thousands they read, based on criteria they establish for what is important and what is probably reliable. The reports themselves cumulatively expose an intelligence analyst's level of insight and experience.


The selection criteria by which these 92,201 reports were saved to be leaked instead of millions of others, indicate the leaker had little insight about what is important and no ability to filter obvious fabrications. An experienced hand would have discarded most of what has been reported to date. But public disclosure of even junk evokes strong reactions when a conflict is not popular.


Pakistan: "The people of Pakistan and its security forces, including the ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence], have rendered enormous sacrifices against militancy and terrorism. "Our contributions have been acknowledged by the international community, in particular by the United States", a Foreign Office statement issued here on Monday said.

"As underlined by the US National Security Advisor in his statement on Wikileaks yesterday (Sunday), the ongoing counterterrorism cooperation between Pakistan and the US will continue with a view to defeating our common enemies", the statement maintained.


Germany: The German defense ministry on Monday [ 26 July] criticized the leak of around 92,000 classified US military documents on the Afghanistan war, but said the news value was rather limited. The German news magazine Spiegel as well as The New York Times and the Guardian newspapers at the weekend printed excerpts of the documents, which were released by the Wikileaks website.

"Obtaining and releasing documents, some of them secret, on such a scale is a highly questionable practice since it could affect the national security of NATO allies and the whole NATO mission," defense ministry spokesman Christian Dienst said. "We're in the process of analyzing the material so as to find out whether the security of our German troops on the ground is affected in any way."


Sweden: The Swedish force in Afghanistan is named several times in the secret documents leaked to Wikileaks. The Swedish Armed Forces will now investigate whether the leak could affect Swedes' safety or the situation in Afghanistan.


Among other things, there are several reports on attacks by resistance fighters on Swedish troops in Afghanistan and reports of Swedish ordnance disposal technicians being called in on several occasions to defuse suspected bombs. "We do not yet know whether the leaked information will impact the situation for the Swedish force over there, but that is something we will be taking a closer look at. Looking at things like this is naturally one of our functions," said Torbjorn Gustafsson of Armed Forces Headquarters public relations staff.


Norway: Classified documents that were recently leaked by Wikileaks mention how Norwegian soldiers killed an Afghan. The military has not managed to find anyone who remembers the episode.

On 29 November last year Norwegian soldiers are said to have killed a man who had something that was perceived as a dangerous object in his hand. Afterward, it came out that what the man held was a flashlight.


"I did a double-take when I read about that. I couldn't remember this episode. That's why I got in touch with the man who was deputy commander of the unit in question in Afghanistan. He can't remember this, either. We have talked with a number of people now and not encountered anyone who knows about the episode. That's a little odd," says John Espen Lien, acting communications chief of the Armed Forces, to [the Norwegian news agency] NTB


Helge Luras, an Afghanistan expert and adviser at the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs (Nupi), thinks the 92,000 secret-classified documents on the war in Afghanistan which have been made public by Wikileaks could come from centrally placed sources in Washington. "I think this could be a leak from someone highly placed in Washington. That is speculation, of course, but the leak is so extensive and comes at a point when the debate about the strategy in Afghanistan is so intense that it can't be ruled out that this is a deliberate leak."


UK: The government "laments" the leak of documents allegedly revealing cases of Afghan civilians killed by UK troops, Downing Street said. Reports say the Wikileaks website obtained more than 90,000 US military files and made them available to newspapers, including the Guardian.

The records include references to at least 21 incidents involving UK troops. The Ministry of Defence said it had been unable to verify the claims and it would not speculate on specific cases.


Canada: Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon on Monday said he was "concerned" for the safety of Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan following the leak of some 90,000 secret US military files. "Our government is concerned obviously that operational leaks could endanger the lives of our men and women in Afghanistan," Cannon told reporters.


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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Surya » 28 Jul 2010 00:17

every lifafa journalist worth his salt is trying to brush the paki thingy under the carpet with 'we kinda knew it, but they have changed a lot' bullshit. It makes one want to puke.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Amber G. » 28 Jul 2010 00:47

Obama's first public comments about the leaks ...
story: Obama enlists Afghan war leaks in support of policy switch
or Text
{ Obama chose to play down the leaks' significance,} These documents don't reveal any issues that haven't already informed our public debate on Afghanistan.

But he went on to say the material highlighted the challenges that led him to announce a change in strategy late last year that involved sending an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. The policy is due to be reviewed in December.

The thousands of documents, sent to the website Wikileaks and published in the Guardian, the New York Times and Der Spiegel, dealt mainly with the conduct of the war during the Bush administration. Obama has repeatedly accused the Bush administration of ignoring the Afghanistan war because of its focus on Iraq.

"We failed for seven years to implement a strategy adequate to the challenge," Obama said today, of the period starting with the 9/11 attacks. That is why we have increased our commitment there and developed a new strategy," he said, adding he has also sent one of the finest generals in the US, General David Petraeus
<snip> .

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Mort Walker » 28 Jul 2010 05:22

Has anyone here actually downloaded the raw data and done a search through each year and month for "India"?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 05:38

The files are too many to download. The site has lumped them in categories. However they didn't have a search function. So its hit or miss unless we do what you suggest. Maybe there is a mirror site that has search function.

Can someone write a script to search the site?

ArmenT, Can your program be altered to search the wiki site?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby naren » 28 Jul 2010 06:47

^^^ doesn't the site restricted google search work ?

Like "something site:www.somesite.com" ?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby pgbhat » 28 Jul 2010 07:14

Did a "grep" of India on the CSV file and quickly skimmed through a few lines. Posting as is.
Nuristan Prov: 04 Jun07. Intelligence Department is reporting that the ISI Department of Pakistan has ordered Taliban and other Islamic party members to kidnap foreign citizens from within Afghanistan. They are especially to kidnap India nationals. Once they have been kidnapped, the Taliban or Islamic group is to take pictures or video and then kill the hostages. NFI
INFORMATION: The PRT attended a shura in Azra with the district governor and the provincial deputy governor. Governor Hashimi, per his usual pattern, was unable to attend. The ISAF paper was a popular attraction and the IO was nearly mobbed while passing it out (Eventually the stack given to the ANP to pass out). Theres no local radio coverage in Azra, as we expected. Theyre able to receive AM broadcasts from large stations in India and beyond, but nothing local (or Pakistani). Two PSYOP products were distributed, the ISAF paper and a UXO awareness poster, serial J01aaPS 1000a, and 200 copies of the ISAF paper, at grid coordinate 42S WC 586 806 (Azra district center).
POLITICAL: Governor Rahmat of Paktya announced that he will be out of country for two weeks beginning Thursday in order to have medical treatment in India.
D96272DB-9B7D-4C77-BAEE-6FE578CCDF72,2007-06-13 15:39:00,Enemy Action,Attack,2007-164-161021-0486,ISAF6 131539Z TF Kandahar Tic IVO MUSHAN,"ISAF6. At 1539Z TF Kandahar reported 60
insurgents engaged 05 battalion near Mushan. 3rd platoon consolidated at check point 4 according to India-coy. Additionally, it was reported that ANP had abandoned stations 6A and 7. India-coy reported that there was no weapons fire or explosions near check point 5 or 10. All elements stood down and returned to base. (RTB). Event closed at 1701Z. ISAF Event
# 06-352.",RC SOUTH,ENEMY,FALSE,CJTF-82,CJTF-82,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,41RQQ1440083600,31.46733093,65.25663757,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,ENEMY,RED,SECRET
Paktya Deputy Governor Mangal stated that Governor Rahmat was doing well after his procedure in India and that he would be returning to Afghanistan in the next 5-7 days.
The Paktya Governor Rahmat is still in India receiving medical care with an expected return of 22 Jun 07. The Logar Governor Hashimi is still out of country with no anticipated return date.
((MASSOUD)) stated that some time ago, [b]an Indian or Bangladesh NGO was building a road from Surobi District, Kabul Province, through Kapisa Province, to Jabulsuraj District, Parwan
Province.
(Comment: This is the road known by ISAF as MSR VERMONT). The NGO met with the TB and village elders and were allowed to continue with their construction. NFI.[/b]

Nimruz prov / Khash Rud dist / Gur area: 25 Jun07 IED detonated under a security guard building for an Indian company. (01) ANP KIA and (02) WIA. NFI

Nimruz prov / Khash Rud dist / Gur area: 25 Jun07 IED detonated under a security guard building for an Indian company. (01) ANP KIA and (02) WIA. NFI

BRAC Is supported by the Indian Government
1. BACKGROUND. BRAC is a consultative organization from India that has been contracted by UNAMA to facilitate the District Development Plan leading to the Sub-National Consultation (SNC) in August.
Based on findings from the SNC will then facilitate the production of a Provincial Development Plan (PDP). The PDP is the primary document for prioritized projects for the province.
At the two small villages we were met with hordes of children excited to see CF vehicles in their village. Local adults were very friendly but did not know who we were or what our purpose was. We explained we were the PRT and were helping the government develop the province. One adult male in one of the villages spoke very good English and was educated in India. His name was Bara Khan and offered to help any way he could. We asked him to inform NDS or the Coalition Forces anytime they see anti-government groups in the area. They said they would not let any of those groups in their area.
Several Afghan businessmen who took part in the recent Peace Jirga in Kabul (refs A and B ) told Econ/Commoff that they view the jirga process as a golden opportunity to move forward on the transit trade problem, which has been a major sticking point in Afghan-Pakistan trade. Representatives of Afghanistan&amp;apos;&amp;apos;s largest private bank, the Afghanistan International Chamber of Commerce (AICC), and the Afghan Business Council on Dubai waxed extremely positive on the prospects for resolving transit trade problems with Pakistan and gaining unfettered - or relatively so - access to Karachi and the Wagha Border with India near Lahore. Progress on the transit trade issue is essential for the success of t
he Reconstruction Opportunity Zones (ROZs).
Embassy Kabul, in cooperation with Embassy Islamabad, is reviewing the jirga&amp;apos;&amp;apos;s recommendations to identify those that may be ripe for action.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,"CJ3, CJTF-82",CJ3,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD1229945599,34.75244904,69.13437653,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,CONFI
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During discussions August 15 with Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asian Affairs Richard Boucher, Foreign Minister Kasuri expressed concern over &amp;amp;quot;irresponsible&amp;amp;quot; US statements about Pakistan, the recent National Intelligence Estimate, Pakistan-related provisions of H.R. 1, restrictions on the upgrade of F-16 aircraft, and the US-India Nuclear Agreement. Boucher urged Kasuri to refer to authoritative policy statements by the President and Secretary Rice, said the report requirements in H.R. 1 presented an opportunity to explain actions Pakistan is taking in the war on terror, and asserted that Pakistan signed the F-16 Memorandum of Understanding comprehending its terms. He assured Kasuri that the civilian nuclear cooperation agreement with India included controls on the use of reprocessed fuel and that ultimately the US retained the right of return.
o Finally, Engineer Paman discussed the Asmar Dam project which will be in survey for the next 18 months. This dam project which is projected for installation in Kunar and if built, will be funded by the Indian Government.
The project for 5 dams for advanced survey in Paktika Province has been approved. The primary survey was done by the Minister of Power and Water Engineers. The Director of Water Management in Paktika Province said 5 dams have been approved, Palto Dam, Park Dam, Zhamay, Haibato, and Ishagay for advanced survey. This has been approved by Minister of Finance and the contract has been signed with Indian Engineers. This project will benefit agriculture grounds and the people of Paktika Province.


Baghlan Prov/ Khenjan Dist/ Kaftar Khana Area: 172300L Sep 07. ACF launched (02) rockets that hit the Indian engineers compound resulting in no casualties. Case is under investigation. NFI

The final question I asked the governor was about his future job with the government. He said that he does not get support from the Provincial Governor, Tamim Nuristani, and that it makes his job difficult. Tamim Nuristani is currently in India with his family and has been there for over 2 months. I agreed that it is difficult. He said that if Gov Nuristani does not support him in the idea of employing a tribal shura at the district government level than he would quit as governor.
2A. (S//REL USA, GCTF, ISAF, NATO) Mohibullah stated that two suicide bombers are in the area targeting CFs. He claims that the bombers are coming to Tagab posing as traders or women from Surowbi. They are traveling here under orders from Zakhel and staying with a man named Hajji Kandagha in She Padar 42S WD 612 538. The recent bombers have also brought RC mines and bombs with them. Kandagha then might send the explosives to his brother Bakhtawar in Kabul where he stores them. Bakhtawar has a shop in Kabul where he makes passports and visas for the TB which he sends to India and are then disseminated
1A. (S//REL USA, ISAF, NATO) Jon Ammadkhan is a businessman who works with selling electrical equipment from India, generators/motorcycles from China, rebar, cooking oil and cement from Russia. He currently is setting up an office in Dubai and plans on setting up an export business there.

(4) [b]CES, an Indian company, is conducting a survey and design that will take 18 months to complete to build a 1,110 Mega-Watt dam in Asmar, Kunar Province and a Water Diversion project in Kama District that will produce 45 Mega-Watts.
CES is working with the Ministry of Power planning department to complete the survey and design of these two projects.
2A. (U). Eng Zia Gul stated an Indian company is currently surveying 21 dams and 4 dam designs for the country. The studies were given to foreign companies because Eng Gul stated Afghanistan does not have the capacity to do the surveys themselves. The studies will give environmental impacts, agriculture benefits and an overall cost benefit.
3A. (U) The Indian contractor stated $2.3M would be needed to put a transformer and substation in which would also include a distribution line near Doshi following the road. A 700-800KW power station was initially seen as a sufficient amount of power Salang tunnel pass. The idea of placing two 500kw lines powered by the wind came up. No distribution line like the one described above would be necessary for the wind power option.
1A. (U) Najimullah Qasimi stated the sector ceilings are not established yet. He expects it do be done shortly if it hasnt already occurred (his boss is suppose to provide him an update Saturday). After the sector ceilings are established, within 5 days he expects to get the information out to the various sectors for their approval. He will meet with prov
incial governors starting the third week of November due to some training in India occurring from 12-22 Nov. He hopes to have the process finished and ready to meet the committee
by mid-December. He will be working with the line directors at the provinces since the governors arent necessarily the most qualified people to discuss financial matters. Training 26-28 Oct will also occur in Kabul for the civil service districts for the 10 provinces sectors chiefs involved. The purpose is to train them on the budget process. He stated t
he government doesnt seem to be in favor of putting line directors for budgeting at the provinces and will have them in the ministerial staff in the future and that the decentralization of a budget is a national level discussion.
1) Attended a meeting with the Afghanistan Minister of Energy and Water, Engineer Zia Gul. She explained to Cincinnatus Six (COL Ives) that the central government is contracting with design firms in India, Germany, and other countries to conduct feasibility studies for 21 dam sites around Afghanistan.
Projects and support of the community were a majority of the subjects discussed. LTC Ostlund stated that if Afghan men wouldnt do the work on the road projects that Pakistanis and Indians will. He further stated said that areas that continue to allow the ACM to shoot at our Soldiers would not receive any humanitarian assistance. LTC Ostlund showed picture
s of the Yakah China shura to Sub-Governor Zalmay. He asked if he could identify any of the men in the pictures. He said that he could not, but would get some one who could. LTC Ostlund said he would provide the Sub-Governor a copy of the pictures so he could have the subjects identified. He brought up the fact that a Korengali could be a paid a good wag
e to help us understand the culture and personalities in the Korengal.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 07:50

pgbhat, Thanks a lot. Gives a good idea of ISI coordinating attacks on Indian personnel in Afghanistan and a vignette on Indian development work.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Mort Walker » 28 Jul 2010 09:06

pgbhat,

Thanks. That's a good idea to download the CSV and do a grep for "India". I did download the files, and maybe I'll try that myself if I have some time.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 09:38

Mort Do a grep on other key words to and see what turns up.

Can we run ArmenT's program and peel the onion?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 09:42

TOI Op-Ed:

Leaky Situation

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sanjay M » 28 Jul 2010 12:51

Gul Whines About 'Wicked' WikiLeaks




I liked the way the interviewer kept control of him. She showed some grit. :D

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby abhischekcc » 28 Jul 2010 13:24

Amber G. wrote:Obama's first public comments about the leaks ...
story: Obama enlists Afghan war leaks in support of policy switch
or Text
{ Obama chose to play down the leaks' significance,} These documents don't reveal any issues that haven't already informed our public debate on Afghanistan.

But he went on to say the material highlighted the challenges that led him to announce a change in strategy late last year that involved sending an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. The policy is due to be reviewed in December.

The thousands of documents, sent to the website Wikileaks and published in the Guardian, the New York Times and Der Spiegel, dealt mainly with the conduct of the war during the Bush administration. Obama has repeatedly accused the Bush administration of ignoring the Afghanistan war because of its focus on Iraq.

"We failed for seven years to implement a strategy adequate to the challenge," Obama said today, of the period starting with the 9/11 attacks. That is why we have increased our commitment there and developed a new strategy," he said, adding he has also sent one of the finest generals in the US, General David Petraeus
<snip> .


There you go - Obama doing Mea Culpa on the leaks.

It is ridiculuous the way this US admin is forcing pak to change course - I mean, what would this officially sanctioned leak achieve that could not have been achieved by confronting pak with the evidence of ISI collusion.

The only benefit of all this, IMHO, is domestic US politics. By making his predecessor look bad, Obama wants to put a Halo around his head.

The situation looks like something out of Catch 22 or Hot Shots! Perhaps Keystone Kops would be a better parallel.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Jul 2010 16:43

hypothesis:tsp has been warned with real evidence already several times to no effect. now, by leaking there is a public awareness, so that next when more coercive steps are taken, public is more aware and supportive

american public must appreciate sooner or later and without doubt that the real war is with pakistan, not afghanistan

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Muppalla » 28 Jul 2010 17:15

^^^^^^^
I don't get it in the analysis about US getting Pak by several routes. Without any buildup or UN sactions, it can just go and hit Iraq and others. Why it has to really build something to even do something against TSP. Even if these are deliberate leaks, it is all about justiifcation for downhill skiing.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Jul 2010 17:46

indeed... so apart from the supply chain... what other lever does pak have against unkil?
are they threatening unkil with terror and/or the bum?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby James B » 28 Jul 2010 17:54

Some excerpts for Pakistan and India as Keywords in Af-Pak leak files

"DOS Rep Danny Hall met with Pakistani and Indian Consulars at the respective consulates in Jalalabad. Because the meetings were short (no more than 30 minutes each); the discussions were light and primarily focused on introductions, reconstruction projects and gaining an understanding of each of the organizations. Pakistan is involved in three projects; the JBAD-Trokham project to 4-lane highway 1, a science program at Nangarhar University and a kidney hospital collocated with Nangarhar Public Health Hospital. India is involved in the JBAD-Asmar road construction project and recently supported the development of a local TV station. Overall, the visits went well and Danny plans to keep in periodic contact with each consulate in the future.

,Non-Combat Event,Meeting - Security,2007-033-010442-0504,MTG - SECURITY,"We conducted meetings with NDS and Dep Sub-governor. They gave us reassurance of the peace in the district. Also, we identified two infiltration routes from Pakistan. Insurgents dont stay in Hiserek, however; they move through on their way to Khogyani and Kabul. During the winter, Hiserek, Achin, and Nazyan become the main passes for insurgent activity.
former position). DC said that corruption was a problem that must be stopped at the top to fix it on the bottom. He said that Afghanistan was run by former warlords who did not understand the importance of democracy, and leaned on their old ways. He said that leaders like Pacha Khan Zadran, the Minister of Parliament, were no different than Jalaluddin Haqqani. DC said that one had to consider the history of Afghanistan, of the Russians and the US, and of Pakistan and Indias involvement. DC stated that all these things created the situation of corruption and Pakistans manipulation of Afghanistan. DC said the US needed to focus on activities from Pakistan. He said Pakistan was the heart of the problems in Afghanistan. He stated that the situation in 2001 and 2002 was good, but had deteriorated because Pakistan was able to infuse the Taliban with what they needed. He said their new weapons were the perfect example of Pakistan involvement. DC indicated that he was still concerned about enemy elements operating east of the district center, but that he felt confident the village leaders would respond in defense of the district center.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,-,-,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,33.62928391,69.39308167,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

One of the programs the director talked about was plantng tea instead of poppies. Apparently there is support or initiatives from Pakistan, but mostly from India, for farmers in those regions of Afghnisatn to grow India tea and then export it to India. The farmers can earn as much for the tea as they do for poppies.
4. 0200-0220z: 33 jingle trucks, 50M; from Pakistan to Bermel; 32 w/ wood, 1 w/ fuel
G. Summary: Through the VCPs, we discovered 3 trucks (out of a total of 12) were going to Pakistan to sell items at a higher price, therefore not paying Afghani taxes. The ANA commander told us this was against the Afghani Law. He thought this was an ANP/ABP issue though and I called Apache TOC to let them know of this and make the ABP aware of these 3 trucks for when they passed through the ABP checkpoint outside of FOB Tillman. At the GN01/Gas Station, 42SWB315432, I talked to the owner, about the recent IED that killed the Tillman ASG Commander. They said they had no information about it, but if they caught or gained information concerning the individuals who emplaced the IED, they would come straight to FOB Tillman and let us know. They also said there has been a rise in Hilux traffic near the Gas Station because the route from Gayan to Walawas is impassable at this time. In Walawas we discovered that a teacher, wants to begin teaching females in the village. Apache informed us to tell him to go to Sharona in a week to talk to the Minister of Education, possibly getting more support. Nothing of importance was collected at the Walawas Madrassa, the Mullah was not there, but two of his teachers were. We (ANA) gave the school supplies we brought to the teachers to use in the Madrassa.
Zabul Prov/Shah Jowi Dist: Anti-terrorism Department reported (50) Taliban including (5) Panjabi Pakistani Taliban killed over the last month by CF air strikes. NFI.
Pakistani actions to fence areas near the eastern border are seen by the Afghans as a deliberate effort to provoke a crisis over acceptance of the Durand Line. Shots have been fired, and President Karzai is said to have instructed Minister of Defense Wardak not to allow any encroachment on Afghan soil. National Security Adviser Rassoul convened an urgent meeting on April 19. COMISAF Gen. McNeill, CSTC-A CG MG Durbin and DCM persuaded the GoA to reach out to Pakistani counterparts to try to defuse tensions and use the upcoming April 30 meeting between Presidents Musharraf and Karzai in Ankara as an opportunity to outline a way forward on sensitive border matters. Ambassador briefed Secretary Rice by previously scheduled SVTC.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,"CJ3, CJTF-82",CJ3,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD1229945599,34.75244904,69.13437653,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

In a tour d&horizon with incoming Ministry of External Affairs (Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran) Joint Secretary T.C.A. Raghavan May 1, PolCouns raised Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister Murli Deora&s recent stopover in Tehran. Raghavan said he had not received details, but promised a read-out next week. Told that a group of US Senators had written a letter to Prime Minister Singh expressing concerns about the Indo-Iranian Defense Joint Working Group (DJWG), Raghavan stated that the group&s activities were routine and not a matter of concern. On recent reports that the Indian Army was sending personnel to Afghanistan to train the Afghan National Army (ANA), Raghavan said that the Indian Army Education Corps was merely sending English teachers to train troops in Afghanistan, and that it should not in any way be construed as putting &amp;boots on the ground,&amp; as some media outlets had implied. Raghavan promised to get an update on the status of the Pul-i-Khumri to Kabul transmission line project, and on whether or not the Government of India (GoI) had decided to work with Uzbekistan to complete its transmission facilities. On Pakistan, results of a joint survey of Sir Creek would be announced May 17 or 18, he reported, to be followed by meetings between Pakistani and Indian Commerce and Home Ministers. The potential Talibanization of the Punjab in Pakistan was of major concern to the GoI, said Raghavan.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,"CJ3, CJTF-82",CJ3,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD1229945599,34.75244904,69.13437653,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET


During consultations in South and Central Asia, Ambassador Ronald Neumann called upon several Afghanistan-interested Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) interlocutors responsible for Afghanistan. Neumann briefed them about ongoing development efforts, unflagging (and unfounded) rumors of international community withdrawal, the Taliban presence in Pakistan, and progress in the energy field. Incoming and outgoing MEA Joint Secretaries for Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran T.C.A. Raghavan (incoming) and Dilip Sinha (outgoing) reiterated oft-voiced concerns about Pakistan-based terrorism. In addition, they briefed Ambassador Neumann about the Pul-i-Khumri transmission line project and told him that India& future support for Afghanistan will likely manifest itself as smaller projects, training and capacity building within Afghanistan; continuing to invite 500 Afghan students and 500 officials per year to study in India -- a number expected to increase -- and encouraging India& private sector to invest in Afghanistan. The exchange reflected the importance India places on Afghanistan and its interest in coordination with the US.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,"CJ3, CJTF-82",CJ3,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD1229945599,34.75244904,69.13437653,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET


During consultations in South and Central Asia, Ambassador Ronald Neumann called upon several Afghanistan-interested Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) interlocutors responsible for Afghanistan. Neumann briefed them about ongoing development efforts, unflagging (and unfounded) rumors of international community withdrawal, the Taliban presence in Pakistan, and progress in the energy field. Incoming and outgoing MEA Joint Secretaries for Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran T.C.A. Raghavan (incoming) and Dilip Sinha (outgoing) reiterated oft-voiced concerns about Pakistan-based terrorism. In addition, they briefed Ambassador Neumann about the Pul-i-Khumri transmission line project and told him that India& future support for Afghanistan will likely manifest itself as smaller projects, training and capacity building within Afghanistan; continuing to invite 500 Afghan students and 500 officials per year to study in India -- a number expected to increase -- and encouraging India& private sector to invest in Afghanistan. The exchange reflected the importance India places on Afghanistan and its interest in coordination with the US.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,"CJ3, CJTF-82",CJ3,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD1229945599,34.75244904,69.13437653,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

Nuristan Prov: 04 Jun07. Intelligence Department is reporting that the ISI Department of Pakistan has ordered Taliban and other Islamic party members to kidnap foreign citizens from within Afghanistan. They are especially to kidnap India nationals. Once they have been kidnapped, the Taliban or Islamic group is to take pictures or video and then kill the hostages. NFI

Several Afghan businessmen who took part in the recent Peace Jirga in Kabul (refs A and B) told Econ/Commoff that they view the jirga process as a golden opportunity to move forward on the transit trade problem, which has been a major sticking point in Afghan-Pakistan trade. Representatives of Afghanistan& largest private bank, the Afghanistan International Chamber of Commerce (AICC), and the Afghan Business Council on Dubai waxed extremely positive on the prospects for resolving transit trade problems with Pakistan and gaining unfettered - or relatively so - access to Karachi and the Wagha Border with India near Lahore. Progress on the transit trade issue is essential for the success of the Reconstruction Opportunity Zones (ROZs). Embassy Kabul, in cooperation with Embassy Islamabad, is reviewing the jirga& recommendations to identify those that may be ripe for action.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,"CJ3, CJTF-82",CJ3,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD1229945599,34.75244904,69.13437653,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,CONFIDENTIAL

Attacks on Indian Consulate: DOS Rep expressed concern that attacks on Indian Consulate may be a deterrent to private sector investment. Gov Sherzai responded that after the first attack additional ANP forces were assigned to guard the Consulate. This move proved ineffective. Sherzai believes that Pakistani ISI backed individuals may be conducting the attacks from a hotel/wedding hall across the street from the Consulate. HE also stated that he thinks the Consulate should be relocated because the current location is too difficult to secure. DOS Rep replied that this should be discussed with the Indian Consul General. Sherzai said that we will discuss again after Eid. Until then he will order increased security at the Consulate. At the end of the meeting, Dep Gov Alizai, ANP Chief Gafar and PCC Chairman Talawar joined the group. More detailed discussion of the Indian Consulate attacks ensued. The ANP is investigating and is pursuing two theories: 1) that former security guards, who happen to be Pashaii, are initiating the attacks in retaliation for being fired, or 2) that the hotel owner from across the street is trying to force the Consulate to move so he can occupy the land and use it as a parking area for his establishment.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby James B » 28 Jul 2010 17:58

If any one interested in doing analysis, here is all information (from wiki leaks) that concerns Pakistan in a file (size of 1 MB)

http://ifile.it/voh9kmg

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby James B » 28 Jul 2010 18:11

ramana wrote:Wiki Leaks Points to most dangerous man in Af-Pak

Has picture of Hamid Gul


Surprisingly, I did't find any record of Hamid Gul in the wikileaks.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby James B » 28 Jul 2010 18:19

Information on Haqqani and his network from Wikileaks

D8521FB1-8FD5-49BC-A04F-8CE42D67DD09,2006-08-05 07:30:00,Enemy Action,Direct Fire,2007-033-004352-0623,DIRECT FIRE Gardez,"(DELAYED REPORT) At 1848Z TF Vanguard reported 2xJingle trucks got ambushed at 0730Z on the bridge south of the Asmani Cache, and TF Vanguard came across the scene after the fight was over as they were moving to another location. 2xAHP officers were in the jingle trucks because they were scared to ride in their own trucks. Taliban ambushed them with AK-47&amp;apos;&amp;apos;s and RPGs. One of the AHP killed one Taliban, the remaining Taliban fled. The 2x connexs being transported on the jingle trucks were U.S. One connex was incinerated, the other rolled off the truck and off the side of the road. Boots, flashlights, HDS, and computers blown in place to prevent looting. ANP stated the Taliban that attacked them fled over the ridgeline to the south of the villages Darwar (42SWB352913), Kackey (42S356914), and Khakil(CNA). The dead Taliban worked for Haqqani. He was wearing a cammo jumper suit and all his gear was taken from him by his fellow Taliban during exfil. They did not recover the body. All US forces are RTB att.",RC EAST,ENEMY,FALSE,TF VANGUARD,TF VANGUARD,Coalition,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWB35959345,33.37971115,69.38651276,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,ENEMY,RED,SECRET

60E3B736-AB0F-4E08-B2E6-9F51EDDBAC17,2006-10-01 00:00:00,Non-Combat Event,Meeting - Security,2007-033-010436-0503,MTG - SECURITY,"PRT met with Zurmat Chief of Police Colonel Qadam Gul. Gul was professional, but did not display his usual straight forward enthusiasm as if he was nervous, distracted, or ashamed. ((COMMENT: Gul previously told RTC contractors he made a non-aggression pact with the Taliban in Zurmat)). Gul claimed that security in Zurmat was far better these days. He claimed this was due to the presence of CF patrols in the area. When asked if the enemy was displaced or had departed, Gul said that they remained, but were quiet and waiting for the CF to depart which they expected would be soon. Gul said that the Taliban in Zurmat were lead by Fazal Rahman, a member of the shura who provided intelligence to the PRT and to the Taliban. Gul said Rahman was working both sides. He said that Rahman was getting support from the Taliban in Quetta (COMMENT: This is a decidedly unusual reference. Generally, local Taliban claim ties to Haqqani and not Quetta). Gul said Rahman was the leader of 18 groups, included in the list he brought, and that Rahman had thirty of his own fighters. He said Rahmans group was doing most of the current activity.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,-,-,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,33.62928391,69.39308167,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

On 10 October, PRT SHARANA and Paktika&amp;amp;apos;s Governor Khpulwak made an official visit to Naka District. Naka is a remote and undeveloped district at the end of a dead end road in the mountainous northeastern region of Paktika. It has changed little over the last five years and remains a district strongly influenced by Taliban and Haqqani supporters. That this is still the case is highlighted by the engagement of the PRT&amp;amp;apos;s ground element by insurgents with small arms and RPG fire as the PRTs convoy entered a mountain pass leading
- Matiullah produced a document signed with thumbprints from the religious leaders of the unofficial district of Gerda Serai. He said this are should be the first priority for the GOA since it has taken the life of so many soldiers (Gerda Serai is the primary district along the Khowst-Gardez mountain pass). He said the leaders agreed that they would speak out against the Taliban and the actions of Jalaluddin Haqqani stating that they were interested in progress and not continued fighting (this is decidedly unusual as Haqqani is usually referred to as Sahib by the people of Gerda Serai, his home district). Matiullah produced a video tape of his meeting with these religious leaders, and stated he intended to present it to the media for broadcast country wide, both radio and television. He said he had similar documentation for Melan and Tera villages. He said that the Mullahs were not afraid to speak, but only needed a collective forum to give
former position). DC said that corruption was a problem that must be stopped at the top to fix it on the bottom. He said that Afghanistan was run by former warlords who did not understand the importance of democracy, and leaned on their old ways. He said that leaders like Pacha Khan Zadran, the Minister of Parliament, were no different than Jalaluddin Haqqani. DC said that one had to consider the history of Afghanistan, of the Russians and the US, and of Pakistan and Indias involvement. DC stated that all these things created the situation of corruption and Pakistans manipulation of Afghanistan. DC said the US needed to focus on activities from Pakistan. He said Pakistan was the heart of the problems in Afghanistan. He stated that the situation in 2001 and 2002 was good, but had deteriorated because Pakistan was able to infuse the Taliban with what they needed. He said their new weapons were the perfect example of Pakistan involvement. DC indicated that he was still concerned about enemy elements operating east of the district center, but that he felt confident the village leaders would respond in defense of the district center.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,-,-,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,33.62928391,69.39308167,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

8A5C22F4-DB6E-49BC-823D-8639B068DE66,2006-11-27 00:00:00,Non-Combat Event,Meeting,2007-033-010619-0587,MTG,"Paktia remains in flux as the new Governor takes charge. His initial formation as Governor has been on pace, and he (Rhamat) seems eager to engage the local ACM about what their needs are and what will it take for them to reconcile with the GoA. This is critical in the KG Pass and his interaction is needed. First opportunity will be on 02 DEC for the opening of FB Wilderness. Clearly, alternatives to Haqqani are required in the KG Pass, and FB Wilderness will serve as the hub from which to project governance into the local villages.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,-,-,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,,33.62928391,69.39308167,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

10. Mohammed Sadik Haqqani - Saygal
- The group agreed and stated that the country was likely to suffer greatly in the near term as they expected reconciled Taliban to rise up and cripple the system. They said that the reconciled people were still cast out of the government, and unable to achieve the personal and political power they held under the Taliban. They said that the former commanders were easily tempted by Hekmatyar and Haqqani, who offered money, power and prestige.
- The group opined that if corruption were stopped, it would improve every negative aspect of the GOA, and cease enemy support in the country, especially support for Hekmatyar and Haqqani. They opined that assembling an independent task force at the provincial level, comprised of trusted members (ala Elliot Ness) great progress could be made to bolster the support of the people. They opined this would also regain the interest of the reconciled commanders.

356B9AE2-11F4-4803-9632-4D761E96711B,2007-02-08 00:00:00,Non-Combat Event,Meeting,2007-040-081441-0513,MTG,"Associated Press is reporting that Afghan tribal elders, religious leaders, and government officials from the eastern provinces of Afghanistan (Paktia, Khost, Paktika, Logar, Ghazni and Wardak) held a jirga in Kabul to push for peace and stability in the region. After the jirga, a tribal leader said the elders were interested in holding talks with various warlards such as Hekmatyar and Haqqani, and also Taliban Leader Mullah Omar. Team Khost was not aware of this meeting, nor do we have any details of what was discussed. Intentions are to identify who may have attended from Khost, meet with them to gain greater insight, and report.",RC CAPITAL,NEUTRAL,FALSE,-,-,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWD2954023642,34.55408859,69.32198334,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

-- JHQ is reportedly in Saudi Arabia undergoing unspecified treatment for an illness. He has instructed his son, Siraj Haqqani, to increase his attacks in response to the high casualties sustained by the Taliban in recent fighting. Siraj has stated that he has plans for attacks and will carry them out. (ISC Comment: Sirajs plans could correlate to recent reporting indicating that he has identified 3 targets for VBIED attacks in Khowst city.)",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,-,-,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWB7843791962,33.36402893,69.84312439,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

-- Recently, 3x cars drove into Kotai villiage, Gorbuz district from Miram Shah, Pakistan. The vehicles/drivers are associates of Siraj Haqqani and were transporting light weapons (NFI).
-- In probable related activity, Siraj Haqqani is planning to assassinate the Khost radio and television director and deputy director.
FOLLOW UP TO PRT KHOST OPS SALT REPORT: Regarding this mornings attacks on PRT Khost LNs, ANP, ABP, NDS, KPF agree that the attacks were a result of the use of Night Letters in the Tani District. They confirmed the attack took place at approximately 07:00L, by two to three assailants parked on the side of the road in a white station wagon. When asked about who was responsible for the attack, there were no firm conclusions or assessments. When pressed about which group was responsible for the distribution of night letters in the Tani District, they all seemed to agree that HIG, Haqqani and Taliban were driving the message and deliveries.
Credible evidence led the forces to the detainee, a suspected operative in the Haqqani network, who is also suspected of facilitating suicide bombers in the Khowst Province.
Credible evidence led the forces to the detainees, who are suspected operatives in the Haqqani network, responsible for facilitating IED attacks on peaceful Afghans and Coalition forces in the Khowst Province.
TANI sub-governor said they captured two more enemies who killed two people in Gurbuz. When questioned, they stated they came from Pakistan, were sent by Siraj Haqqani who told them there was no Islam in Khost, but when they went into a mosque, saw people praying, saw Islam, they were surprised.
Credible information led the combined force to the compound with suspected ties to the Haqqani network. Militants in the area are suspected of facilitating suicide bombers for extremist Siraj Haqqani.
Village elders provided Coalition forces with information that led directly to the detention of the suspected suicide bomber facilitator. The detainee is suspected of training suicide bombers for extremist Siraj Haqqani.
Credible intelligence led forces to the compound suspected of housing an assassination cell in the Haqqani network also involved in improvised explosive device attacks and weapons smuggling. A search of the compound discovered fragmentation grenades, rifles, an AK-47 and other contraband items. The cache was taken to a safe distance and destroyed in place.
The 200 ACM were located in Wash Khuwar Area, southwest of Khost City. Separately, in mid May 2007, Sirajuddin Haqqani sent five trucks into Khost Province, intended to be used in VBIED attacks against coalition forces and Afghan National Army. No additional information was available about exact location of timing of attack.
Credible intelligence led the forces to the location suspected of housing al-Qaida operatives supported locally by the Haqqani network.
The SG told me that he had info concerning a possible weapons cache in a nearby village that was inside the compound of a former associate of Jallaludin Haqqani. He told me that the cache had a guest house built over it and that if the windows are still nailed shut then the cache should still be there. He has an individual trying to confirm. I told the SG that we would be happy to assist in the recovery of this cache whenever he confirmed its location.
NDS Dept 62 reported a Haqqani Associate, Mohommad Omar established a camp in the Grupa Mountains, in the Bazaka Mountain Range, in the border area in Spera District, IVO BCP 10. 35 men with light and heavy weapons plan to conduct ground assault on security checkpoints in the Zurok District, Paktika Provience.
The Spera sub-governor requested more police in a security meeting about one month ago and was promised by the governor to get 45 more. So far he has only two. He reported that there is a group of about 250 ACM and are being lead by Mullah Mohammad Omar who works for Siraj Haqqani. He said there are two other leaders there as well, but not as senior as the other one. He just got this information yesterday and it is unclear if he gave it to anyone else. He said the people of Spera are supporting the government more than ever before, and that security is getting better, but he wants to address the concerns he has with ACM movement in the district.

C847572B-29A4-4D72-B5D8-2480CE5776EE,2007-06-12 23:21:00,Friendly Action,Cordon/Search,2007-164-124805-0888,122321ZJUN07 TF Professional Patrol Report,"C-26 SPd from north gate FOB Salerno at 2310Z with 8 M1114s, 40 PAX. The patrol traveled through Khowst to OBJ SHERIDAN (WB 82280 88921). C-26 established the cordon while ABP and ETT dismounted their vehicles. ABP and ETT then moved to the compound to set up the dismounted ABP outer cordon. Next ABP and ETT began soft knock to clear the compounds vic. the weapons cache. All personnel, except women and children who remained in their homes, were moved to a central location and were cooperative. ABP searched the houses and compounds with each homeowner. After the compound was secure THT moved in to conduct tactical questioning. ETT questioned 19 military age males. While the questioning was going on ABP began digging in the suspected locations for the weapons cache. Nothing was found and I decided to wait until THT finished the tactical questioning of the males. The person who provided this information to COL Kowchi was in the compound and when THT questioned him we gained further information on where the weaons cache might be located. We questioned the source with the other people in order to keep his identity a secret. We then had the person show us exactly where he thought the weapons cache was located. We ensured the homeowner could not see him point out the sites by having the homeowner stay on another part of the compound. When ABP resumed the search for the weapons cache 2 radiac meters were discovered in the compound. ABP again did not find weapons or ammunition. After not finding anything we returned all cell phones and personal AK-47s to their owners. We also provided HA to the occupants of the compound and obtained statements from the homeowners stating that nothing was damaged or stolen. The local nationals in the vicinity of the objective were excited that we were there and very supportive of the operation. THT detained 5 military age males for further questioning and they were brought back to FOB Salerno. The detainees are suspected of stealing U,.S. Connexes along the K-G pass, transferring weapons and ammunition at the compound for employment in the Khowst area, ties to Haqqani, and firing rockets in Khowst. From the information gathered by THT and prior reporting by ABP I come to the conclusion that the people detained are operating a rocket cell in the Khowst area. Upon arrival the FOB Salerno the detainees were processed into the FOB Salerno detention facility. Statements for this were submitted by COL Kowchi and PFC Davidson. The source was also brought to Salerno. We processed him as a detainee at the OBJ and removed flex cuffs when he was in the M1114 so that the other detainees wouldnt know he provided the information. I paid him $4,000 Afghani for the information he provided for the return of the U.S. Property a week prior, the U.S. property we recovered today and the information about the detainees. THT then talked to him further to see what additional information he could provide. THT arranged for his transportation back to Khowst. We concluded the operation with an AAR with ABP at FOB Salerno. ABP performed the operation professionally. Although, it was not perfect it gave them confidence and experience in conducting these type of operations.
CJ2: Pass appropriate information to ANA G2 regarding actions of Barudin Haqqani.
BG Rahman agreed with the CJ2 assessments of Afghanistan and RC-E. He was not aware that Barudin Haqqani, son of Saraj haqqani, was moving toward the interior.
SECURITY: The PRT Commander reported that the Governor and Chief of Police spoke about how ACM activities and attacks will increase in the summer months. The Governor went on to say that the NDS and ANA should be working in Logar as hard as the ANP are in the province. The Provincial Chief of Police reported on the attacks of the old Kharwar District Center, IEDs found in Kolangar, missiles being fired at Hades Base, and attacks in Charkh on CF and ANP convoys. The CoP also discussed the deaths of 5 police officers I the Azra District from an IED explosion, stating that it was unclear why the bomb was set in a location a significant distance away from the district center. Additionally, the Chief is planning to establish mobile checkpoints in the province between1600 to 1900 nightly. Finally the NDS representative reported on the Haqqani network was planning on increasing attacks in the area over the next four weeks.
-Main currency in the town is Pakistani Kaldaris (rupees), not Afghans. That indicates close economic ties of some sort with Pakistan. The Haqqani network may be a possible link between this town and Pakistan.
A security shurra was held today (2 Aug) in Gardez attended by the PRT Cmdr. The two tribes that attended were the Zadran and Haqqani. Results of this shurra were an acknowledgement of lack of security in these areas. Governor Rahmat told both tribes they must provide security using their own people. Both tribes signed an agreement to do this with the Government and were reminded that they can be fined if no compliance. Governor stressed unity of security by both tribes and to work together always. Reconstruction can not happen overnight and if the tribes dont cooperate with security there will be no reconstruction. Governor Rahmat told both tribes that 300,000 Euro dollars were already being used in projects but $5 million Euro was in jeopardy of being pulled by Germany due to the security issues. Stolen ANP uniforms and identification cards from Shwak and Gerdis Seri needed to be returned ASAP. Governor Rahmat made a comment that he would move his office to the KG Pass and bring security from other districts if needed to stop the violence. Governor Rahmat mentioned that the 150 Arbacay MOI has not yet been approved by the Afghan Government. If they dont provide security, projects will not occur and get committed elsewhere. Elders asked the Governor for 5 more days so they can conduct shurras amongst the tribes. A follow on meeting is set for 9 August.
&amp;amp;quot;The suspects were preparing remote-controlled devices for the Taliban in Afghanistan,&amp;amp;quot; the official said, adding that they had &amp;amp;quot;links&amp;amp;quot; with former mujahedin leader Jalaluddin Haqqani and his pro-Taliban son Siraj Haqqani.
2. The governor brought up the point of the negative impacts of having intense security operations during Khyber and following in the villages in the KG Pass; the increase of ANP in this region could have a negative effect in that the population would view this as an intrusion. It was agreed that the increased security operations are necessary to root out the Haqqani and Taliban insurgents who have assimilated into this region. It was agreed upon that mitigating the negative impact of increased village searches is difficult, but that the ANP/CF were going to do the best they can. The governor agreed that the initial push to search villages would at least make the people know their local leaders were being proactive.
Development: The subject of the overall development did not come up very much during the day, but observations from the drive in and out of Gardez point to an increasing and thriving economy. The tightening of the KG Pass due to Haqqani and Taliban insurgents have somewhat slowed the flow of economic traffic from Khowst to Gardez, and the upcoming operation and increased security measures within the KG Pass should, according to the governor and chief of police, eliminate those threats. Connecting Khowst and Gardez is definitely a key to the economic viability of the Tri-City ADZ, however connecting all of the districts in Paktia especially securing Zormat is just as important. The districts near the border face equal security threats from foreign fighters and Pakistani incursions, but a focus on the economic underdevelopment in those areas should tighten Paktia. Returnees from Pakistan also pose both a problem and an opportunity, as they can hurt the economy by depending on existing resources or they can be employed for all the new projects planned by the PRT and 4-73.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,TF 3FURY (4-73),4-73 CAV / SHARONA,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWC2116123989,33.65555954,69.22821808,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

ACM influence in Gerda Serai: Haqqani himself belongs to the Sultan Khel Tribe. Some of Haqqanis sons and many of his extended relatives are still reside in Gerda Serai. Gerda Serai is without a doubt, a Haqqani network stronghold. The Parangi tribe is also subject to strong Taliban influence, although the Parangi are not believed to share the Talibans ideology. They simply provide shelter and material support. Once OPN Khyber ends, it is believed that HQN and Taliban forces will return to the district in force.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,TF 3FURY (4-73),4-73 CAV / SHARONA,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWB3349191383,33.36114883,69.35999298,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

- The ANP had information that 170 bad guys were operating in this area under the command of Sirajudin Haqqani.
A review of SIGINT traffic provided after the prosecution of the target, but collected earlier in the day on 5OCT indicated two ACM groups were meeting to conduct an arms deal. At 0735z, Bermels Prophet Team intercepted a Pashto gist with ACM discussing whether individuals were coming and bringing unknown items. Later the ACM referenced the meeting with them had occurred. At 1003z, Turkish ACM became active on SIGINT. At 1024z, a Turkish fighter was speaking on ICOM in eastern Orgun district with another individual, asking if Haqqani had 2,000 rupees with him and that he would need 50 pieces of (unspecified item) and 5 boxes. At 1054z, a Turkish fighter asked another to expedite his order. 2 hours passed without Turkish intercepts in either Bermel or Orgun districts. We assess this to be because the Turks were moving west from Bermel and east from Orgun to conduct linkup in southern Sarobi. At 1242z, the same Turks were active on push to talk communications in southern Sarobi, when a call-up for call sign Nasrat was monitored. These call-ups continued until 1310Z, when they stopped talking and, based upon what Predator observed, presumably effected link up with one another. After the conclusion of their meeting and just before the air strikes, SIGINT traffic was monitored with ACM in Bermel district that made reference to bringing the bullet.
-According to UNAMA the elders applauded the 29OCT07 air strike which resulted in the deaths of 17 ACM (account by elders). They claimed that a high ranking ACM member very close to Haqqani was killed. They also claimed that the two Haqqani sons were present, but survived the bombings.
- NDS reports all activity which is currently being conducted in Paktya Province is responsible to Siraj Haqqani.",RC EAST,FRIEND,FALSE,TF 3FURY (4-73),4-73 CAV / SHARONA,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWC2476016090,33.58422852,69.26682281,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,FRIEND,BLUE,SECRET

2. The 4-73 S2 followed the Deputy Governor by updating the meeting members on all the Paktya AO SIGACTs that CF were tracking for the past two weeks and offered an assessment of potential future activity in each AO. The 4-73 S3 followed the S2 by reviewing the significant operational accomplishments of the past two weeks, which included the killing of three IED emplacers in Zormat district. The 4-73 SCO concluded by offering his assessment of where he believes the enemy currently lie in the Paktya AO. LTC Woods assessed that northern Zormat was influenced primarily by Taliban, with some of that influence carrying over to parts of Gardez and Sayed Karam. The Haqqani network was the major influencer in the KG Pass region and southeastern Zormat. HIG and foreign fighters were the main influencers in the Jaji region. Finally, Taliban and foreign fighters were the main influencers in the Chamkani region. After LTC Woods concluded, he turned the floor over to the ANA 203rd Corps XO Mir Sahib Gul, for his comments.
5. NDS Representative Yaumas began by stating that the NDS is working to collect more intelligence and is giving all of their intelligence to the PCC. Rep Yaumas believes the situation in Paktya is getting better. He believes the intelligence they are collecting is causing insurgents to change their plans. Rep Yaumas believes the key problem areas are Zormat, the KG Pass region, Chamkani, and Dand Paton. He believes Taliban are located in the villages of Sahak (Zormat) and Kolagu (Zormat), Sayed Karam district, Mirzaka district, Dand Paton district, and Jani Kheyl district near the Khowst border.Rep Yaumas mentioned that he believes insurgent activity will increase more next spring than it has in years past. He did not say why he holds this belief. Rep Yaumas also stated that Pakistani ISI is trying to bring insurgent leaders Siraj Haqqani and Mullah Omar together. He said that right now Siraj Haqqani is resisting these offers. Rep Yaumas concluded by stating that NDS caught two jingle truck drivers at a gas station in downtown Gardez trying to break into connexes and steal CF HMMWV tires, HESCO barriers, and plywood.
Target: SHIR RAHMAN (JPEL RTAF1333)Rahman has been acting as a Haqqani Terrorist Network Facilitator and Intelligence Collector for insurgent elements operating against ISAF in Afghanistan. Rahman has similar operational characteristics as Khair Mohammed so far as primarily conducting his facilitation activity throughout the day from the Margha Bazaar. Rahman has several high level Haqqani Network ties including Commander Hafiz Noor Zaman, Gulam Rasul, Mir Khan, Mir Alam Jan, and Mullah Kallam (prior to his death). Rahman is also tied to Zabibullah who is a Taliban Facilitator in Khandahar. Shir Rahmans direct involvement in insurgent facilitation and intelligence gathering, and his significant connections to the Haqqani Networks Leadership in Miram Shah and the Gorwek Valley make him an important personality.
Facilitator &amp;amp;amp; Intelligence Collector for insurgent elements which operate from Pakistan into Afghanistan. Directly connected to Senior Haqqani Terrorist Network Leadership including Commander Hafiz Noor Zaman.
-3Fury S5 stated that the CF had kept its side of the bargain by bringing improved security and numerous projects to Zurmat as promised. Now the Shura members had to do their part and help make the road project happen. He stated that this project was a test of the tribal shuras leadership. He also mentioned the example of the Gerda Serai unimproved road project and how the conflicting tribes in Gerda Serai defied the Haqqani network and decided to implement a road project together.
SIGNIFICANCE: Naib Salar is the deputy to Siraj Haqqani within Khowst province and has HiG connections, he also is a sub commander responsible for southern Khowst to include Mandozai District; he is involved with IED emplacements and suicide bombers. He is reportedly emotionally involved with Jalaladins youngest son, Omar; making him a valuable asset to HQN.
1. Abbas Khan ID# RTAF0573, Tier 1, JPEL A major facilitator in northern Khowst province. He is primarily associated with the HiG but has ties to the Haqqani Network, the Taliban and Al Qaida. He is responsible for directing IED emplacement, antagonizing feuding tribes and facilitating infiltration and staging of IED related ACM and materials.
--Many of the shura members stated that their district was safe and Gerda Serai did not have any Taliban or Haqqani. CPT Grant pointed out that this was a lie. Examples such as the VBIED that attacked 2A and the numerous kinetic attacks against CF and ANSF forces were mentioned. It seemed that the Shura members were very reluctant to debate the issue.
-- CPT Grants closing remarks was a pledge to the Shura that we will continue our combined operations until Gerda Serai is clean of Taliban and Haqqani. CPT Grant offered the shura the troops point of contact cards and urged them to come to the FOB or call on the roshan to report any suspicious activity.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,TF 3FURY (4-73),4-73 CAV / SHARONA,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWB3537094149,33.38603973,69.38028717,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

Dana Gul was an insurgent facilitator maintaining a weapons cache in the area. After TF Eagle killed Commander Tasir, Dana Gul was promoted to local commander by Haqqani Network commander Bachta Jan. Azam Khan, an IED facilitator, escaped CF capture following a raid on his home in October 2007. Kadim is a low level fighter who was wounded in the engagement with TF Eagle that resulted in the death of commander Tasir, and has been hiding in the mountains north of Gayan. Wakil and Daburi were also low level fighters. All five agreed to cease hostilities and become productive members of the Gayan tribe. Four of the five insurgents have now signed agreements with the Gayan Shura and conducted debriefings with NDS in Orgun and Kabul. All five of the individuals met with Governor Kpalwak just after the Super Shura in Sharana. The Gayan Shura has agreed to take full responsibility for their actions. Azam Khan, the fifth member, met with the Gayan Shura, but has not yet signed an agreement, and, so, was not invited by the Mayor to go to Orgun.
-3F6 emphasized that no matter what the Haqqani Network or other ACM forces did, progress in Gerda Serai district would continue. Development projects would not stop.
-After the shura ended with a meal, 3F6 spoke in private with Meyaki Khan (Shura leaders in Gerda Serai) who is reported by UNAMA to be an extremely influential elder. Meyaki offered to meet 3F6 at FOB Gardez in the future in order to discuss issues in Gerda Serai. It is believed that Meyaki is a close relative of Siraj Haqqani himself, which may give 3F6 indirect access to Siraj himself.",RC EAST,NEUTRAL,FALSE,TF 3FURY (4-73),4-73 CAV / SHARONA,None Selected,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42SWB3537094149,33.38603973,69.38028717,UNKNOWN,UNKNOWN,,,NEUTRAL,GREEN,SECRET

-Pacha Khan stated that for 14 years he and Haqqani kept the Russians out of the KG Pass. However, now the two mujahadeen have parted ways and are enemies.
-Pacha Khan stated that Haqqani and his spies are spreading lies about him and his son.
-He stated that Haqqani's spies were reporting false information about him. He also claimed that Haqqani made multiple assassination attempts on him, which explains Pacha Khan's 17 mand security detail.
-Pacha Khan stated that Haqqani had long relations with the Pakistani ISI, while he chose to take sides with the IRoA.
-However, Pacha Khan complained that the CF constantly accused his son of supporting criminal networks and ACM in the KG Pass. Pacha Khan stated the his son would cease to be the DC of Waze Zadran if the harassment continued. He stated that Haqqani's spies were constantly spreading lies about his son and him.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 20:53

I think the thread has enough material to be moved to strat forum. Any yes votes?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby James B » 28 Jul 2010 21:13

Yes, I think this can be moved to strat-forum for better analysis and as a public source information.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 21:30

The New Republic: WikiLeaks And Pakistani Loyalties

NPR op-ed!

...
Pakistan, like most of the Greater Middle East, is a seriously schizoid land, where people passionately believe contradictory ideas, especially about God, man, and America, and leaders pursue policies that often do not redound to their advantage, let alone to the miserable denizens they rule over. But what Mr. Gelb and others are recommending will give Pakistan a much worse personality disorder than anything we've seen so far. No doubt: The Pakistanis are going to have to fight this out among themselves, as did the Iraqi Sunnis, who once pretty broadly embraced Al Qaeda's savagery against the United States and the Iraqi Shia. It's their fight much more than it is ours. But as in Iraq, we need to hold our ground. If we do not, the right people shall lose. Pakistani schizophrenia is deeply distressing and frightening, but an American retreat would make the ISI's former die-hard Islamist boss Hamid Gul, a dangerously captivating man, into a compelling shrink. That's not a good idea.

Who is talking of American retreat buster? What is being asked is to have TSP stop killing Americans in Afghainstan while taking our money.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 28 Jul 2010 23:03

Reuters blog

On WikiLeaks, Pakistan and Afghanistan; the tip of an old iceberg



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So while Pakistan might eventually be able to lean on the Taliban to negotiate, and may not be that far apart from Washington on the kind of settlement it wants to see in Afghanistan, it is unlikely to want to give much ground until it has some reassurances about India (that India, in turn, still angry about the 2008 attack on Mumbai by Pakistan-based militants, is unwilling to give.)


Comment:

Is Pakistan the only one entitled to have reassurances? Reassurances on what? That they should be allowed to maintain anti-India jihadi terrorist infrastructure?





Need more rebuttals like this or the diarreaha of disinformation by dragging India into Af-Pak will continue.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby svinayak » 28 Jul 2010 23:16

ramana wrote:Wiki Leaks Points to most dangerous man in Af-Pak

Has picture of Hamid Gul


Wiki leaks was for a purpose. It was for isolating the ex generals like Hamid Gul who are deep inside the network.
These Zia's children are the last of the people who know all the secrets of CIA and US govt during the 80s and the 90s

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sanjay M » 28 Jul 2010 23:25

Muppalla wrote:^^^^^^^
I don't get it in the analysis about US getting Pak by several routes. Without any buildup or UN sactions, it can just go and hit Iraq and others. Why it has to really build something to even do something against TSP. Even if these are deliberate leaks, it is all about justiifcation for downhill skiing.



Iraq is not nooklear countree. More importantly, Pak seems to be much more strategically important to the US than Iraq is.

When Armitage threatened Mushy with bombing his country forward to the stone age, I wonder what would have happened if Mushy had rebuffed him? Probably nothing.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Lalmohan » 29 Jul 2010 00:05

amritraj probably had a far deadlier threat than carpet bombing... more likely he said no more baksheesh unless you get with the programme

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2010 00:16

All those leaks document is the small band activity more like a nusicance vlaue thena ny fighting force capability. it reminds me of the aftermath of any islamist force defeat where they breakup into small bands and harass the victors to prevent any restoration of stability. (Recall France two centuries after Touluse and Poiters). The difference in Af-Pak is, TSP is taking US money and channeling it to support these roving bands and sustaning them. And US experts think this all right as the greater goal is to keep India in check.
I think the main fallout of the Wiki Leaks is to give a window on US expert community priorities. Its not in elminating US casualties in Afghanistan, but to keep India in check. This was the conclusion in Indian strat community* but never was it revealed so openly as in response to the Wiki Leaks.

It will have impact on the opinion polls in India.

* After the 1993 Mumbai Terrorist bombs were traced to TSP, the Home Minister SB Chavan responded in Lok Sabha that TSP has powerful backers and it was not feasible to carry the issue ot successful conclusion. He did not spell out the powerful backers and neither was he asked to!

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sanjay M » 29 Jul 2010 00:44

From Rachel Maddow's show on NBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/ ... 7#38316973

Richard Engel, NBC's chief foreign correspondent says:
"So, it might be difficult for people in the US to accept a stepping back of relationships between India and the United States - which are very close, people in the United States feel very connected to India, it's a good trading partner, it's a world partner - do we have to then sacrifice some of our relationship with India in order to placate Pakistan, in order to save ourselves in Afghanistan - maybe, there may be some of that tradeoff that's coming along"

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby lsunil » 29 Jul 2010 00:58

The Leaks only reveal the obvious. I think unkil is preparing to shape public opinions by pointing out the hopelessness of the last 7 years.

Sanjay M wrote:From Rachel Maddow's show on NBC

India has nothing to offer to the US beside trade. Pakistan on the other hand is willing to be an "expendable" for money. The US will not switch sides but it can discontinue floating pakistan IF it feels that india's emergence out of south asia is imminent in the near future, regardless of the games it plays.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2010 01:18

Any thing on Indian military doctrine?

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sam » 29 Jul 2010 01:23

This is election year. Wiki leaks shows how both Bush and Obama admins have mis managed Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Some voters might be swayed by this tamasha.

US Congress members will fall over each other to show that they are strong on defence and vote away billions of $ for Afghanistan and a small cut for even Pakistan.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby naren » 29 Jul 2010 01:37

ramana wrote:The files are too many to download. The site has lumped them in categories. However they didn't have a search function. So its hit or miss unless we do what you suggest.


Ok, curiously neither Google nor Bing has indexed it extensively :shock: . Yahoo throws up some good results.

Search for "something site:http://wardiary.wikileaks.org"

Here's an example

*Edit*

Ok, this Google query seems to work better. Link
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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sanjay M » 29 Jul 2010 01:40

lsunil wrote:The Leaks only reveal the obvious. I think unkil is preparing to shape public opinions by pointing out the hopelessness of the last 7 years.


I think that with all the various interest groups/factions already having staked out their positions, each and every one of them are cherrypicking from the WikiLeaks documents to each draw conclusions that support their own already existing positions.

Sanjay M wrote:From Rachel Maddow's show on NBC

India has nothing to offer to the US beside trade. Pakistan on the other hand is willing to be an "expendable" for money. The US will not switch sides but it can discontinue floating pakistan IF it feels that india's emergence out of south asia is imminent in the near future, regardless of the games it plays.


India can be a good counterweight against China, which is now reaching the point of overtaking and surpassing the US. Once the US loses its pre-eminent status, it won't be able to get it back. Just look at how much free support the US gets from being the world's de facto global reserve currency. Imagine if China stole that status away from them, then America's economy would plunge, leaving Americans gasping for breath.

Is Pakistan really willing to be "expendable"? Is that really sound reasoning on your part? I would think that Pak's double-dealing is showing everyone the exact opposite - that they will defy anyone in order to preserve themselves, rather than be expendable.

If anything, it's India which always unwisely advertises that it's willing to be expendable.
After 26/11, no perpetrator been punished, and nobody cares. We lost Aksai Chin in 1962, and we never got it back - actually Nehru immediately went to parliament and said the terrain was all "rocky and worthless anyway", etc (ie. not a big deal that we lost it - like the fox who claims the grapes were sour when he couldn't pull them from the tree.) There have been countless terror attacks against India, and it's never really done anything, other than to say, "Vee Vill Nhot Bhow too Terrorism!"

For Kaangress, the country really is expendable - it's their precious party which they jealously protect, and not the country. The Kaangress motto is, "Party first, country last"

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sanjay M » 29 Jul 2010 01:41

naren wrote:
ramana wrote:The files are too many to download. The site has lumped them in categories. However they didn't have a search function. So its hit or miss unless we do what you suggest.


Ok, curiously neither Google nor Bing has indexed it extensively :shock: . Yahoo throws up some good results.

Search for "something site:http://wardiary.wikileaks.org"

Here's an example



I'm surprised others haven't mirrored the site. If these documents are so important, then others should mirror them. This is done for plenty of other sites.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby ramana » 29 Jul 2010 01:46

SanjayM,
We know PRC has arrived when it starts messing in South America. Till then its a US puppet pretending to be independent. Its their pit bull. And massa demands baksheesh to pull them away.

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Re: Wiki Leaks on Af-Pak

Postby Sanjay M » 29 Jul 2010 01:54

The Daily Show's Jon Stewart has the funniest commentary on the WikiLeaks:

http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/Displayb ... f73a3d08b2


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