Tony Montana wrote
brihaspati wrote:
For Uyghurs and Tibetans it is not exactly "our fight" that they are fighting - they have their own fight against the PRC. They will be using us as much as we would be using them. Both regions are crucial to bog down PLA and prevent them from meddling in POK.
The problem remains that it wouldn't be much of a fight. With the CCP's control on information and the whole global war on terror(islam) thing, any islamic insurgency are likely to be ignored by western media. With a free hand, I just don't see them doing that much damage. The security infrastructure in Tibet has been perfected for many years. Any serious resistance is also likely to be niped in the bud.
CPC's control over information is not as tight as it looks. The real shot in the arm of CP+PLA imperialism is the western worlds interest in using China as an economic tool which leads to suppressing the opposing trend or the anti-establishment trend within China from getting aired outside. Moreover that entire geography from East Turkmenistan to Tibet is not really suited for the plains Chinese to romp about for long. Which also means that PLA has operational difficulty in the region. We tend to be dazzled by infrastructure. But ultimately it is a combination of both infrastructure and men who matter in conflict.
I do not think the operational side of a protracted low intensity conflict by Uyghurs and Tibetans aimed at winning independence from China, has been seriously thought over in recent times from those most likely to have the political and material opportunities to do so. The last known attempts were by the CIA supporting the Tibetan National Army with some bases within Nepal. If the history is ever really told, then it may just come out that it was not going that badly until the CIA pulled out and left the Tibetan group on the ground in a limbo - probably because of US dalliance with the idea of opening direct negotiations with Mao to counter Russia.
A lot is made nowadays about supposed infrastructure put up by PLA. But no matter how hard they try, that entire border is impossible to seal. Especially in the Eastern Turkmenistan sector - and any liberation movement can actually melt away into the neighbours when hard pressed.
The key tactical side for the Uyghurs will be to put up a "secular" nationalist front as the "leading" one with the Islamists not being shown in limelight. They can negotiate among themselves about this and retain the Islamists as a component but not apparently the leadership. This is the model that BD used. This will also take away the islamist alarm.
brihaspati wrote:
Now, now, a regime that actually has the audacity to think of and carry out such an action would also know how to make any media that sings out of tune on the fallout, in a very very bad light in the media itself. If a regime is determined to sort "POK" out it should be prepared to go all the way.
As mentioned by other posters, if China push hard enough, then this "regime" could possibily form in India. But what if China just stick to pin pricks like now? Would this "regime" form organically within India?
Also, wouldn't this "regime" be against indic values of freedom and democracy? Be sure you don't become the very thing that you're trying to fight.
The formation of such a regime is not dependent entirely on Chinese pin-pricks or javelin-pricks only. it is an entire spectrum of values and objectives which can give such an attitude toward the CPC as a result of this drive rather than the CPCitself being the cause.
Why should such a regime be against "freedom" and "democracy"? Do the Tibetans and the Uyghurs not have their right to freedom and democracy? Why should "freedom"+democracy" be only India's responsibility and a convenient plaything to be trashed or touted as needed by others?
Let us get this very clear :
Kashmir Valley muslim agitators and separatists are unsupportable in their bid for freedom because they have carried out ethnic cleansing of non-Musilms from the valley, and they are going to impose Sharia and other most retrogressive aspects of the theology on people. More they are going to let themselves be pawns in the hands of Pakis and Jihadis to try and impose islamism gradually over the rest of India using the valley's independence. Therefore, democracy+freedom requires elimination of Kashmir valley separatists in every possible way.
This very same "democracy+freedom" requires that Uyghurs and Tibetans be supported in their bid because China has occupied their land and carried out genocide and cultural erasure. This is opposite of what happened in the Valley.
If "democracy+freedom' is of supreme importance then it is our duty to see to it that the population of POK and Indian administered J&K is not subjected to Islamic propaganda and future sharia law, or that they be used to perpetrate such stuff on the rest of India using independent Valley as a launching pad.
Where do you see "being like them"??!!
. Google chacha's and CIA maps show the PoK as part of pakistan (latter does not even show it as disputed). I am yet to hear/read about any news/report where GoI has raised this issue in a relevant fora, leave the rest of the world has GoI ever expressed any such thoughts in Indian media ? Given the present state of affairs, reclaiming the PoK is as close to reality as Zaid Hamid's dream of flying TSP flag in Dilli's Lal Quila.
