Managing Chinese Threat

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Virendra » 25 Apr 2013 12:48

In 68 when we gave them a blooded nose. There was a strong military leadership, without any Congress implants and there was no political interference. Those were critical thinkers. People who dared to look evil in the eye and deal with it.
Current Setup is of big, sold out, boneless and clueless sissies like we had in 62. Guess what the result will be.

I'm really disturbed. Since the days of Zabul in Afghanistan we have been "adjusting" to enemies creeping in step by step and bleeding us cut by cut. For the fear of going to full blown war we keep adjusting and every time we think its ok. "We" are safe, only a border issue.
Look where we are today with all this "adjusting". The map gets smaller and smaller with every century that passes.
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby habal » 25 Apr 2013 12:52

I don't think Chinese can afford a war, this occupying of some post is the result of small-d!ck complex that China expresses from time to time. As a result of aggressive patrolling by the IA, the Chinese have also woken up and decided to prove that they too have a few cards to play, the Chinese were feeling too smug as it is by leaving the border issue undecided, and they decided to play to their advantage. If India wants to play this game, as it is forced to, it must invariably put the Chinese in some uncomfortable circumstance to make it's point. Otherwise, we lose this game.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Virendra » 25 Apr 2013 12:58

The cunning killer instinct needed to deal with Chinese is completely missing since we've been gulping the Cola of WKK, Soft power and Aman ki Asha for long.
All is well, hunky dory in those dreamlands.

More potent than a war, is the fear of war as a deterrance. Show that with sincerity and the enemy would understand.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby shyamd » 25 Apr 2013 13:04

SS, completely agree with your post, we are happy to let them walk in and out as they please so long as they leave - but there will be a point where they will take advantage of it (like we are seeing now). I also think that allowing the stoppage of border work is ridiculous, that is the level we are willing to prevent war, this is due to the hope that the next generation of Chinese leaders will opt for peace.

If there is no cooperation there is conflict. This brazen act should have been solved last week when NSA spoke to dai Bunguo. Clear evidence of failure of the JWG. The message is loud and clear to the establishment. This incident changes everything

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby SSridhar » 25 Apr 2013 13:18

shyamd wrote: This brazen act should have been solved last week when NSA spoke to dai Bunguo. Clear evidence of failure of the JWG. The message is loud and clear to the establishment. This incident changes everything

shyamd, Dai Bingguo retired along with Hu Jintao and has been replaced by Yang Jeichi, the ex-Foreign Minister who said after signing the 2012 agreement that trust would now develop between the two nations. He is reputed to be a relentless, dogged and unyielding negotiator.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby ravar » 25 Apr 2013 13:36

Meanwhile, The Chindu is doing what it is paid to do...

Don’t get China wrong

The Chinese are at it again. Or so we are told by the Indian media, which have worked themselves into a lather over the recent Chinese “incursion” in Ladakh. The latest move is held up as yet another example of China’s longstanding strategy to keep India off-balance. Faced with such a strategy, India apparently has no credible response and is desperately floundering. These arguments are not new. In fact, they have become something of a catechism which is uttered every time reports of Chinese “incursions” hit the headlines. They are wrong all the same.

snip....CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Equally mistaken is the notion that every move by China is part of some larger plan to box India into a corner. If our experts are to be believed, Beijing has worked out its strategy for the next thirty years while New Delhi can barely think thirty days ahead.

snip.... The mere fact that China wants to consult countries like India shows that it has doubts about the ability of Pakistan to help secure its interests in Afghanistan. :D


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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby habal » 25 Apr 2013 13:38

they should quite needling us and shift their HQ from Chennai to Beijing.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby SSridhar » 25 Apr 2013 13:42

ravar wrote:Meanwhile, The Chindu is doing what it is paid to do...

Don’t get China wrong

The mere fact that China wants to consult countries like India shows that it has doubts about the ability of Pakistan to help secure its interests in Afghanistan.

Time will tell these Chinese supporters what the real intention of these consultations by PRC with India on Afghanistan are. It is certainly not honourable or beneficial to India.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby SSridhar » 25 Apr 2013 14:01

Ties with India will not be affected: China - The Hindu
the Chinese government said on Thursday it believed the incident could be “properly handled” and would not affect “peace and stability in border areas as well as the normal development of India-China relations”.

China reiterated its position that it believed its troops were on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), but said both countries had the “willingness to solve the dispute through peaceful negotiations and consultations”.

“With the boundary not demarcated yet, it is inevitable for problems to crop up in border areas,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters at a regular briefing.

“When there is a problem in border areas, the two sides should resolve it through friendly consultations through existing mechanisms and channels. We believe this incident can also be properly handled and will not affect peace and stability of border areas as well as the normal development of India China relations.”

While Chinese officials maintain frontier troops did not cross the LAC, Indian officials have pointed out that although perceptions of where the line ran were indeed differing and both sides had carried out patrols in contested areas in the past, it was unprecedented for troops to set up a tented post in a disputed region.

Asked at a regular briefing on Thursday what prompted Chinese troops to trigger the recent tensions along the border, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters, “I don’t agree with your allegation that it is the Chinese side who provoked confrontation between border troops”.

“I will like to reiterate that Chinese troops have always acted in strict compliance with relevant treaties and protocols between two countries regarding protection of peace and security of areas along the LAC, and China is committed to protecting peace and stability of border areas as well as a negotiated settlement of the boundary issue left over from history.” “China’s troops,” Ms. Hua said, “have never crossed the line”.

The two sides, according to reports from New Delhi, are expected to have a third flag meeting to defuse the stand-off. At the previous flag meeting on Tuesday, the Chinese side was reported to have demanded the dismantling of recently set up Indian fortifications in eastern Ladakh.

Asked what conditions China had set to reach a deal to end the impasse, Ms. Hua said she was not aware of the latest situation on the ground. “Since I’m not in the frontier," she said, "I don’t know the latest development of frontier situation".

Ms. Hua said she hoped the media “can keep patience and create favourable conditions for the two countries to solve this issue”.

She said the consultation and coordination mechanism on boundary affairs, set up last year, had enabled “smooth communication” on the border issue.

Her comments were echoed by External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid in New Delhi on Thursday.

“Let us allow that mechanism to find its solution and repeatedly it has found. And we have good reasons to believe that it should be able to do it again,” he was quoted as telling reporters by PTI.

Mr. Khurshid said he would go ahead with his visit to China on May 9, which is expected to lay the groundwork for Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s visit to New Delhi next month – likely to be his first overseas trip after he took office in March.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby RajeshA » 25 Apr 2013 14:07

brihaspati wrote:Actually - contrary to the claim that "internationalizing == leaking" is a way to pressurize the Chinese to "stop" or "withdraw", with no other country taking up any cudgel on behalf of India, "leaking" has now actually made it such a public issue that the Chinese will make it into a "loss of face" issue.

Whatever GOI had to do - bash up the PLA soldiers or given ultimatums or given concessions to land where not even a blade of grass grows - should have been done very very quietly, or on ambush mode.


In fact it is important that they lose face. In fact we should make it a policy that they lose face each and every time.

Only if there is an outright and glaring loss of face would the Chinese be more careful next time. Any party in China, some PLA commander or some CPC apparatchik, whoever wanted to needle India should be discredited in a maximum manner. It is important that the person in China who started this, that he be hurt politically by the rest. If this does not happen, whoever started this game with India, and he ends up providing Indian land to China, he would be rewarded and he would be able to boast of his cunning and strategic planning. And then there will be more PLA generals who would want to replicate that success.

So it is extremely important that the PLA hawk who started this, that he be discredited among his peers and CPC.

After disgracing the PLA, if we don't know who started it, our media should pick a few names from their hierarchy and start putting the blame on them and laughing at their stupidity. Sooner or later, someone would defend himself and tell who the responsible party was.

How China deals with its shaming and 'loss of face' is not our concern. They will find some way of putting some spin on it. Let them do it if they want to. We can put out our own version.

We should for the moment be focused only on giving the Chinese a good licking, a good solid punishment for their arrogance!

This Indian Foreign Minister should demand withdrawal of troops. There is nothing to negotiate or talk about here! The situation is clear and our response should be similarly clear!

And whatever our response is, it should be designed for two clear objectives
  1. Securing Indian territory!
  2. Ensuring Chinese Loss of Face!

Simply securing our own territory is INSUFFICIENT! Chinese loss of face is a MUST!

If there is no loss of face for China, this incursion would end up in the history books as another mini-1962 where the loss of life on our side may be less, but a loss of honor would be just as much!

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2013 14:11

yes the loss of face for top PLA commanders would be a much bigger blow than losing a disposable platoon in some far away corner.

for this , we must goad them into action and dare them by initiating something like wiping that post off. show the smoking ruins in a TV briefing in HD from a litening pod and let the indian public see clearly the location and the actual LAC.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby rkirankr » 25 Apr 2013 15:00

OT but compare how NDA handled Kargil and how UPA handles Chinese incursion

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby SSridhar » 25 Apr 2013 15:01

The stapled-visa issue and the stamping of an incorrect map (with Indian territories included in China) were instances where Indian retaliation led China to quietly retract.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Muppalla » 25 Apr 2013 15:41

SSridhar wrote:The stapled-visa issue and the stamping of an incorrect map (with Indian territories included in China) were instances where Indian retaliation led China to quietly retract.


Do you think they will retract from the positions when the dust settles? I mean when the intrusion news goes away from media glare?

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby RajeshA » 25 Apr 2013 15:51

I think much of the problem at the moment in India is that the people are not considered a valuable part of the foreign policy making mechanism.

One needs to just see how Internet Chinese have been spouting hate and venom at USA and Japan. There is no let up! I can't say how much direct discussion there is between the Chinese state and the people on foreign policy, but the establishment in China has sufficient agents working in social media, who start a "hostility" campaign to suit the nationalistic impulses of the regime there.

On the other hand, usually we have an Indian Government which often tries to keep things hidden from the Indian people, until something or the other comes up, and even then the mainstream media does not carry any nationalist message on the issue.

If China can afford to keep its people constantly in a heightened sense of hurt due to USA and Japan and then often uses this "hurt" sentiment to demand concessions from others, why is that not possible in India. Especially in a democracy, it should be the sentiment of the people which should influence foreign policy.

I personally am against friendship with a country AND its people if they show imperialistic designs on us. Our "Hostility" towards the Chinese should be greater than any "Hostility" their government can create against us.

It is usually the country with less "hostility" than ends up making concessions. It is usually the country with more "hostility" that keeps on pushing the other country.

However as Indians we have a difficulty having "hostility" towards another people or country. We try to restrict towards whom our "hostility" is directed, and often we just forget it, when that instance does some taqiyyah and throws around some nice words.

"Hostility" needs to be sustained over a few generations!

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2013 16:44

the CCP bussed in people to throw eggs on the US embassy after the 'mistake' that took out a corner of the chinese embassy in belgrade.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby vic » 25 Apr 2013 17:06

I think it will be best to put out Global buy tender for backbone, nerve and b@lls.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Pranav » 25 Apr 2013 18:00

Marten wrote:
Singha wrote:yes the loss of face for top PLA commanders would be a much bigger blow than losing a disposable platoon in some far away corner.

for this , we must goad them into action and dare them by initiating something like wiping that post off. show the smoking ruins in a TV briefing in HD from a litening pod and let the indian public see clearly the location and the actual LAC.

One lesson that is demonstrated by the Chinese via the unstable NoKo Dictator is:
If they continue to show completely irrational positions and back them with relentless lying or posturing, the world will react in the manner that the Chinese want them to.

Basically, they will goad us into reacting and then wait to spring a larger surprise in a different corner. My guess is their gameplan is a combination of the tickle test plus posturing for local citizens.
Given how close Burtse is to the LAC, we have to resort to force. Not sure how the reactions are being gamed, but the establishment's reaction indicates we do not have the stomach for a fight, at this moment.

I fear this is the moment of truth (or Dare!).


The psychological observations are accurate, imho. But I think the response should be calibrated starting with a substantial increase of force levels in the area and establishment of camps surrounding the Chinese camp.

Do we have battlefield radars that can be mounted on tethered balloons, by the way? Would be useful for keeping tabs on the area 24 x 7.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 25 Apr 2013 18:14

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opi ... e#comments

Very cavalier article about Chinese incursion. Most things are seen from the Chinese perspective, China does this and China's concern about that. Does the writer think that India has any concerns. It's not just about a so called undemarcated line of control, it's about pitching tents 10km within Indian land. And then demanding that India stop all infrastructural activities.

SRINATH RAGHAVAN


Every move by China is seen as a larger plan to box India into a corner.

The Chinese are at it again. Or so we are told by the Indian media, which have worked themselves into a lather over the recent Chinese “incursion” in Ladakh. The latest move is held up as yet another example of China’s longstanding strategy to keep India off-balance. Faced with such a strategy, India apparently has no credible response and is desperately floundering. These arguments are not new. In fact, they have become something of a catechism which is uttered every time reports of Chinese “incursions” hit the headlines. They are wrong all the same.
WHERE’S THE LAC?

Start with the issue of Chinese “incursions”. Much of the problem stems from the fact that the two sides have different notions of where the Line of Actual Control (LAC) lies.

The LAC is supposed to divide the areas that are under Indian and Chinese control since the end of the 1962 war. The line, however, was not mutually agreed upon by the two sides.


etc...

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby brihaspati » 25 Apr 2013 18:33

India cannot counter aggressive imperialist expansionism - with diplomatic pussyfooting. It needs a counter expansionist strategy. The various tie-ups that the current rashtra appears to effectively have, somehow always makes it hesitant to expand -plan and build up to expand to the NORTH.

But without all-round expansion on the land borders - we cannot contain or reverse the trend of China-Pak inward moves. We should use each and every such instance to justify greater militarization, propagandize about our threat perceptions [the way both US and China does, and in little-boy-tantrum sense Pak also ] and effectively play up the situation.

But threat and counter threat has no effect if from time to time real bloody noses are not given to others. This should have invited swift retaliation, or now since the first opportunity ha sbeen lost - a similar ambush mounted sometime in the near future back on the Chinese or its allies.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Pranav » 25 Apr 2013 18:44

Has somebody already posted the coordinates of the Chinese camp, so one can look at the area on Google Earth? Would also like to see a map of Indian and Chinese perceptions of LAC in the area.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Pranav » 25 Apr 2013 19:06

brihaspati wrote:India cannot counter aggressive imperialist expansionism - with diplomatic pussyfooting. It needs a counter expansionist strategy. The various tie-ups that the current rashtra appears to effectively have, somehow always makes it hesitant to expand -plan and build up to expand to the NORTH.

But without all-round expansion on the land borders - we cannot contain or reverse the trend of China-Pak inward moves. We should use each and every such instance to justify greater militarization, propagandize about our threat perceptions [the way both US and China does, and in little-boy-tantrum sense Pak also ] and effectively play up the situation.

But threat and counter threat has no effect if from time to time real bloody noses are not given to others. This should have invited swift retaliation, or now since the first opportunity ha sbeen lost - a similar ambush mounted sometime in the near future back on the Chinese or its allies.


What to do ... so many lacunae ...

Need thermonuclear tests, SLBMs, collaboration with Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam etc, attention to the nuts and bolts such as indigenous LGBs, guided artillery, lots of Prahaar missiles, resolve to get the LCA, AMCA programs going at the highest priority level etc etc.

If we had done all that then this would never have happened. Weakness invites aggression.

But it is just a symptom of the deeper malaise, which is the continuance of the colonial system, with leadership selected non-transparently and compromised by foreign entities.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby shyamd » 25 Apr 2013 19:16

SSridhar wrote:shyamd, Dai Bingguo retired along with Hu Jintao and has been replaced by Yang Jeichi, the ex-Foreign Minister who said after signing the 2012 agreement that trust would now develop between the two nations. He is reputed to be a relentless, dogged and unyielding negotiator.

True.. Wonder why he called Dai... I think Dai introduced NSA to Yang as a "handover" per se.

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IA UAVs have been pressed into action. Intel at the moment is PRC have not deployed additional troops. Armed forces are following SOPs so no talking to media. Info is being tightly controlled. Some media are also keeping a distance from those in the know.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby RoyG » 25 Apr 2013 19:54

We will cave. Nothing is going to happen. After 26/11 some BRFites went into war mode only to later realize that it was pointless to talk about retaliatory action with the current ruling party. Most likely, the options I see are:

a) we will work out a deal to stop infra expansion on our side

b) they will dig in

c) They will begin to amass troops in the sector and then needle us elsewhere on the Eastern front

** We need to keep an eye on Bangladesh.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby RoyG » 25 Apr 2013 20:15

With former members like Alka Acharya on the National Security Advisory Board it's no wonder we are in such a diplomatic and military mess today...

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Chinas-de ... 426007.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Chinas-de ... 426008.cms

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Muppalla » 25 Apr 2013 20:31

shyamd wrote:IA UAVs have been pressed into action. Intel at the moment is PRC have not deployed additional troops. Armed forces are following SOPs so no talking to media. Info is being tightly controlled. Some media are also keeping a distance from those in the know.


Somo' chu also occured quitely with no media reporting in 1986.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby rohitvats » 25 Apr 2013 20:36

SSridhar wrote:Singha, AFAIK, there is no motorable road. The trade route from Nubra Valley to KK Pass passes through Sasser Pass and then DBO.


SS, the work on road to DBO has been completed as per Lt. Gen. Panag.

Also, the Saser La route is summer route; winter route is to go up the river from Shyok Village and then as per the map listed by me earlier.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby rohitvats » 25 Apr 2013 20:44

Pranav wrote:Has somebody already posted the coordinates of the Chinese camp, so one can look at the area on Google Earth? Would also like to see a map of Indian and Chinese perceptions of LAC in the area.


As per news reports, the PLA is sitting at Burtse or thereabout. please go back some pages, I have posted a map with all important landmarks. Plus there are couple of posts with URL links to important locations for reference.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby vic » 25 Apr 2013 20:45

Meenakshi Lekhi of BJP is the only politician who has stated that economic measures against Chinese imports into India should be taken.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby rsingh » 25 Apr 2013 20:53

ravar wrote:Meanwhile, The Chindu is doing what it is paid to do...

Don’t get China wrong

The Chinese are at it again. Or so we are told by the Indian media, which have worked themselves into a lather over the recent Chinese “incursion” in Ladakh. The latest move is held up as yet another example of China’s longstanding strategy to keep India off-balance. Faced with such a strategy, India apparently has no credible response and is desperately floundering. These arguments are not new. In fact, they have become something of a catechism which is uttered every time reports of Chinese “incursions” hit the headlines. They are wrong all the same.

snip....CONSPIRACY THEORIES



Equally mistaken is the notion that every move by China is part of some larger plan to box India into a corner. If our experts are to be believed, Beijing has worked out its strategy for the next thirty years while New Delhi can barely think thirty days ahead.

snip.... The mere fact that China wants to consult countries like India shows that it has doubts about the ability of Pakistan to help secure its interests in Afghanistan. :D



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Times Of India thinks that we are better off by paying zaziya to Bakistan
Hindustan Times thinks congress is sole legal owner of India
The Hindu thinks India will be better off if governed by China
Indian Express thinks no party should govern India
NDTV thinks Mussharaff should rule India
DNA (new for me) seems to go for the highest bidder

There is not a single media outlet (English) in India that is pro India..........such a sorry state of affairs.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby member_19648 » 25 Apr 2013 21:12

The official thinking in the Congress line is that the Chinese had trespassed previously, this time they have outdone their previous acts by encamping them, they would go back when they please as they have done earlier. Action on the Indian part is totally unwarranted as it would derail the peace process and destroy the goodwill/sweet talks that the Chinese are doing at the front. As for the Indian English media, gradually they are losing steam and are clubbing the Chinese aggression with celebrity gossips/bollywood news. Sad state of affairs. There is no proper direction and the thinking being projected is that this is a localised border issue which is far away from the mainland to be of any worry.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby vic » 25 Apr 2013 21:39

After Meenakshi Lekhi BJP, the other person is Bharat Verma who has asked for economic action against China. Mani Shankar Iyer has declared that we should use strong policies of Mahatama Gandhi. Yes, he said it at least ten times.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby harbans » 25 Apr 2013 21:47

There is no need for any strong economic measures also. Just revoke our initial stand on Tibet. That is the THERMOCUCLEAR equivalent of the bombshell that the Chinese need. Consider HH The Dalai Lama's Govt the true govt in Tibet. Chinese object ask them to conduct a plebiscite according to UN resolutions. Make a direct and open claim to KM.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby vic » 25 Apr 2013 22:04

KC Singh also says link it to trade.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Pranav » 25 Apr 2013 22:05

Is resupply of the Chinese camp by trucks / helicopter being permitted?

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2013 22:06

it seems they brought some dogs with them and no doubt stocked up on tinned food before our party arrived back on the scene.
in worst case they will first eat the dogs and then a few of each other...but will stand fast because they know if they desert what will happen to their loved ones back in mainland.

I figure they could be stocked with 30 days of lean supply...enough time it is hoped for PRC to force a resolution to its liking.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby vic » 25 Apr 2013 22:07

We still have problems in North East, so we cannot make big moves about Tibet issue. So, we have maximum damage to China with minimum cost or rather benefit for Indian economy.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Pranav » 25 Apr 2013 22:08

vic wrote:KC Singh also says link it to trade.


You can do that, but it will take too long. This needs to be resolved in the next few days. Just surround them by a sufficiently large force, approach politely, smile, and invite them to head back. If they refuse, give them another smile and take them into custody.

Have air cover and other back-ups ready for the operation.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2013 22:09

I am from the north east - what problems do we have there. arunachalis , assamese, refugee tibetans would like nothing better than to beat cheen with a stick. nagaland has been outsourced to the nscn to rule as they please so long as the INC remains the official power. the rest also will strongly support any indian move.

there are more anti-india elements in the metros than in NE.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat

Postby habal » 25 Apr 2013 22:11

shyamd wrote:IA UAVs have been pressed into action. Intel at the moment is PRC have not deployed additional troops. Armed forces are following SOPs so no talking to media. Info is being tightly controlled. Some media are also keeping a distance from those in the know.


Don't push hopes up too high. Chinese may have some leverage over upavasis in 2G scam. That is why they are blackmailing now.


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