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Opportunities, opportunities everywhere...

Hong Kong wants to ditch the joker
One of the great democracy-in-action performances across Asia is the annual ritual of Hong Kong celebrating the July 1, 1997, handover to China by the United Kingdom. This year was no different; arguably 400,000 people marched across Central, the city's business center, to make their point, defying absolutely foul weather caused by an approaching typhoon. Banners covered a vast spectrum - from generic calls for freedom to "Say No to China" and appeals for the release of Chinese dissidents such as 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo.

Nostalgic British empire-tinged "Chinese colonialists get out" banners were also in the mix. The Union Jack was a muscular presence, as well as Taiwan's flag and even a Tibetan flag, which mysteriously "disappeared" in the early evening. But the catalyst was The Joker; informal polling at the march revealed that from 80% to 90% want him out.

Beijing, obviously, won't be amused. This is not exactly what the Little Helmsman Deng Xiaoping had in mind when he devised "one country, two systems". C Y Leung has made it more like "one country, two-bit clown." Even in a recent poll by Hong Kong University supposed to represent the overall population, 51% have had enough of this administration and 55% gave a vote of "no confidence" to The Joker.

He should start taking lessons from Egypt's Morsi and Turkey's Erdogan.
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China turns on charm at ASEAN talks - Japan Times
China turned on the charm at a regional security meeting this week, signaling a change in tone as President Xi Jinping seeks to counter a U.S. push for more influence in Asia.

China agreed during an Association of Southeast Asian Nations-hosted forum in Brunei to meet with the 10-member group in September and develop rules to avoid conflict in waters marked by confrontations with nations such as Vietnam and the Philippines. The country also expressed unity with the U.S., South Korea and Japan to rid North Korea of nuclear weapons.

Those policy stances may reflect a more conciliatory approach after China’s aggressive assertion of sovereignty claims in the South China Sea in recent years prompted its neighbors to boost security links with America. China is vying for influence in Asia while the U.S. conducts a strategic pivot toward the region and lends support to allies such as the Philippines.

“China has moved from the ‘do little, engage little’ form of engagement to ‘do a lot, engage a lot,’ ” said Gary Li, a senior analyst at IHS Maritime. “The new dynamism signals a potential new era in Chinese relations with its neighbors, including ASEAN.”

Foreign Minister Wang Yi, attending his first ASEAN meeting since Xi took China’s presidency in March, said China and ASEAN were “like members of one big family.” He pledged to upgrade an ASEAN-China trade agreement and push ahead with talks on a regional economic partnership.

A year ago, China warned nations to avoid mentioning the territorial spats during ASEAN meetings and said it would only begin talks on a code of conduct for the South China Sea “when conditions are ripe.”

China may be taking a friendlier tone to isolate the Philippines over a dispute that’s seen several standoffs between Chinese and Philippine vessels. The Philippines has boosted defense ties with Japan and the White House, which since 2011 sought to “pivot” toward Asia following a focus on wars in Afghanistan and Iraq under former President George W. Bush.

China is “turning on a charm offensive to ASEAN as a whole, and at the same time making it clear that it is the Philippines that is making trouble,” said Steve Tsang, director of the China Policy Institute at the University of Nottingham.

Thai Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul called ASEAN’s relationship with China strong and said it was “the pillar that underpins peace, security and prosperity in the region.”

The Philippines on June 30 issued a statement saying the presence of Chinese ships around two land features it claims in the South China Sea threatened maritime peace. Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario said Wang was looking to make a good impression at his first ASEAN meeting since China’s leadership handover. “It’s a new government — they’ve got to do that,” he said when asked about China’s statements.

North Korea’s delegation at the ASEAN forum Tuesday declined to comment on China’s stance. Instead delegation official Choe Myong Nam accused the U.S. and South Korea of escalating tensions in the region, calling on the U.S. to “unconditionally” accept its offer in June for dialogue.

“China knows that it is in an unfavorable position as the U.S., South Korea and Japan strengthen their alliance based on the North Korea nuclear issue,” said Kim Han-kwon, director of the Center for China Policy at the Asan Institute for Policy Studies in Seoul. China made ” a strategic decision to counterbalance America’s superior political and military influence over the region,” Kim said.
China is making tactical moves to ward off the developing alliance among democratic nations and neighbours of China with most of whom China has border disputes. China does not want the US Pivot at this point and so it wants to bide time. Hence the charm offensive. Consider that even amidst this charm offensive, China chose to be aggressive against us.

Within ASEAN, China is trying to isolate the Philippines. It also won over Cambodia when the last ASEAN Foreign Ministers meet took place in Phnom Penh. When Cambodia differed with the rest on the issue of South China Sea, a joint communique could not be issued, something that had not happened before in the history of ASEAN. Recently, it has been trying to woo Indonesia too.
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Chinese General Warns India Against New Trouble as Antony Visits Beijing
An outspoken Chinese general known for his nationalist views warned India on Thursday against stirring up "new trouble" in a long-running border dispute, just as defence minister AK Antony was set to visit Beijing.

"The Indian side should not provoke new problems and increase military deployment at the border areas and stir up new trouble," Major General Luo Yuan told reporters.

Luo, the deputy-director general of the world military research department at a People's Liberation Army academy, described himself at a briefing as a "reasonable hardliner".

He made waves last year with comments questioning the legitimacy of Japanese sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands, a chain that includes Okinawa and hosts numerous United States military bases.

"India is the only country in the world that says that it is developing its military power because of China's military threat," said Luo, who was wearing a business suit.

"So I believe that India should be very cautious in what it does and what it says."

His comments came as A K Antony was due to arrive in China late Thursday for three days of talks, the first such trip in seven years.
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""I have the eyes and claws of a hawk but the head and heart of a dove," (and the brain of a Han)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new ... 87015.aspx

Funny that he doesn't get that he's just issued a threat.
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Recently the same Maj Gen Luo Yuan had written in the hardline Global Times that China must recover its territories from countries who are holding them. It is Chinese contention that Russia and India hold the largest Chinese territories.
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The mainland Chinese govt are being stupid beyond measure. Is this what their Sun Tzu teaches them? To constantly provoke their otherwise lethargic neighbours, who will then become actual threats.
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Karan M wrote:The mainland Chinese govt are being stupid beyond measure. Is this what their Sun Tzu teaches them? To constantly provoke their otherwise lethargic neighbours, who will then become actual threats.
This guy is a loose cannon.

Still, China's arrogance is probably driven by their meteoric economic rise in recent decades. They are expecting to be economically in the same preponderant situation as the US found itself after WWII (50% of the world's GNP) within the next two decades. Economic power can be translated into military power to some extent. Then they could force India, Japan, SE Asian countries to give in to their territorial claims and reduce the US military and political influence in the Western Pacific and Indian oceans.

But China is overlooking some factors: (a) 8 or 9% growth rate for the next two decades is not assured, (b) the US is not alone - together with Japan, EU and a fast growing ASEAN (with nearly half the population of China) will be more than a match for China in economic output and (c) Chinese military power will still be relatively backward compared to the US and its European allies.
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rajrang wrote:This guy is a loose cannon.
rajrang, Maj Gen Luo Yuan cannot be dismissed as such because he is one of their chief strategists.
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SSridhar wrote:
rajrang wrote:This guy is a loose cannon.
rajrang, Maj Gen Luo Yuan cannot be dismissed as such because he is one of their chief strategists.
+1. Favorite tactic to befuddle an already incompetent MEA. "Work with us, we have these loose cannons who do not represent the true thinking of the PRC government. Let us not give them fodder for further provocative statements...."

This gambit allows the PRC Foreign Affairs to say: " What's mine is mine and yours is negotiable"

Luo Yuan did not say this by chance. It's all PLAnned and orchestrated. Mr. Clean will fall prey to the appeasers in MEA.

We really need to get closer (publicly) to Japan and SOKO and the US' Asia pivot. Also start distancing ourselves from the JLN stand on Tibet and Sinkiang.

Don't have much faith in a UPA that is more occupied with dynasty politics to do the right thing.
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Still, China's arrogance is probably driven by their meteoric economic rise in recent decades.

The Chinese killed off perhaps 500 000 peasant soldiers in the Korean war. Lives have always been plentiful and cheap in China. The 'arrogance' is nothing new.

The property bubble is about to burst, an excellent augury being the CCP family members being sent abroad to scout for investments, housing and passports, the statistics can't be cooked fast enough to assuage the masses, Uighars are starting to become radicalised, Tibetans are seething and will erupt when the Dalai Lama passes the baton, the gender ratio has spawned roving gangs of young men abducting and raping females, one princeling is responsible for four grandparents and two parents, America is on the doorstep, India is embarking on a massive military expansion, Japan has the most remorseless prime minister since the war.

I have the eyes and claws of a hawk but the head and heart of a dove :roll:
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SSridhar wrote:
rajrang wrote:This guy is a loose cannon.
rajrang, Maj Gen Luo Yuan cannot be dismissed as such because he is one of their chief strategists.

Good point - in which case his comments are orchestrated and are aligned with the top leadership. However, his nonsense about recovering territory from Russia with which China has signed several border agreements and to my knowledge there are no further disagreements was the reason I called him a loose cannon.
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Rajrang, I understand what you say.

But, Luo Yuon's comments are not isolated or those of a hawk (with the heart and head of a 'dove' as he claims for himself :) ). In March 2013, the newly appointed Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Moscow, his first official visit to any country after assuming power, thereby sending a clear message to the US. It was similar to the first visit that Putin made, which was to China even by skipping a G8 Summit in the USA, after assuming Presidency for the third time. On the eve of Xi Jinping’s arrival in Moscow, Russian experts said that the US decision to set up additional 14 missile interceptors on its Pacific Coast on top of 30 interceptors already deployed in Alaska and California were really aimed at China, not North Korea.

Even while all these happened, something else also took place in China. Xi Jinping’s Russia trip was preceded by protests by the Chinese against Russians for occupying large Chinese territory. In days leading up to Mr. Xi’s departure to Russia, hundreds of comments online “demanding the return of territories” inundated the Russian Embassy in Beijing’s official microblog on Sina Weibo, a Twitter equivalent used by 500 million Chinese. China’s settlement of its boundary with Russia is seen by many in China as a deal that favoured Russian claims. One Chinese scholar at the University of Agriculture wrote in a post to his 85,000 followers on Weibo that Russia was “the country that occupies the largest territory of China.” “The second is India,” he said, “and then it is Kazakhstan. We only give attention to Japan because of political factors, and that is the easiest way to annoy the angry youth. But when we speak of Russia, all the patriots suddenly go silent.”
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Rajrang ji

you are thinking along the currently held wisedom. Not with the benefit of longest serving wisedom.

Chinese interventionism to Chinese hegemony can take about 800-900 years.

The longest continuously running political system was the Byzantine Empire (~700 to 1000 years depending...). So that is about the time a defender can have in his hands. Byzantine defended itself for long and died out.

Your differences with Maj Gen Luo Yuan may be on account of different time frames.

Most of the world including Russian and India, have yet to prove that their political memory and will can last this long.
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When asked for his opinion on the impact of the French Revolution on the world, Chairman Mao famously quipped, "It is too early to assess the impact".
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TSP & China vow to take friendship to new heights - DT
“I have great liking for you and your brother,” :mrgreen: said Xi in lighter tone.
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So Xi ne Shareefon ki li?
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SSridhar wrote:When asked for his opinion on the impact of the French Revolution on the world, Chairman Mao famously quipped, "It is too early to assess the impact".
Apparently, Mao was talking about some minor student disturbances in France at that time and not the French Revolution. No Sun Tsu sh1t here!
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 923356.cms

Major policy statement:

"On South-East Asia, Khurshid said India was not looking for a military base in the region but would focus on deepening strategic ties, even as its Look East policy extends to the Pacific."

Has India reached an understanding with China on this? Perhaps during Mr. Li's recent India visit? Will China reciprocate by not building military bases in at least the northern Indian Ocean?
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SSridhar wrote:Rajrang, I understand what you say.

But, Luo Yuon's comments are not isolated or those of a hawk (with the heart and head of a 'dove' as he claims for himself :) ). In March 2013, the newly appointed Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Moscow, his first official visit to any country after assuming power, thereby sending a clear message to the US. It was similar to the first visit that Putin made, which was to China even by skipping a G8 Summit in the USA, after assuming Presidency for the third time. On the eve of Xi Jinping’s arrival in Moscow, Russian experts said that the US decision to set up additional 14 missile interceptors on its Pacific Coast on top of 30 interceptors already deployed in Alaska and California were really aimed at China, not North Korea.

Even while all these happened, something else also took place in China. Xi Jinping’s Russia trip was preceded by protests by the Chinese against Russians for occupying large Chinese territory. In days leading up to Mr. Xi’s departure to Russia, hundreds of comments online “demanding the return of territories” inundated the Russian Embassy in Beijing’s official microblog on Sina Weibo, a Twitter equivalent used by 500 million Chinese. China’s settlement of its boundary with Russia is seen by many in China as a deal that favoured Russian claims. One Chinese scholar at the University of Agriculture wrote in a post to his 85,000 followers on Weibo that Russia was “the country that occupies the largest territory of China.” “The second is India,” he said, “and then it is Kazakhstan. We only give attention to Japan because of political factors, and that is the easiest way to annoy the angry youth. But when we speak of Russia, all the patriots suddenly go silent.”
I agree the new President Xi's first foreign visit to Russia is full of significance - primarily for the US. Similarly, Premier Li's first foreign visit to India was initially intended to have significance. The idea could have been for China to have robust relations with its two largest neighbors, while, preparing for a possible showdown with the US and its friends. However, during the final weeks leading to the Indian visit, the Chinese appear to have wanted to downgrade the significance of that visit and they did so with clarity through the DepSang Bulge intrusion. Not yet clear why?
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rajrang wrote:
SSridhar wrote:I. However, during the final weeks leading to the Indian visit, the Chinese appear to have wanted to downgrade the significance of that visit and they did so with clarity through the DepSang Bulge intrusion. Not yet clear why?
I think they are not sure about India as they are about Russia and wanted to see the reaction of India and Its Allies to fathom their understanding regarding the military threat from China.It fizzles and they still dont know for sure and remain in Bhambalboosa.
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Indian media: Chinese general's warning against border deployment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23193156
Media in India feel a Chinese general's "warning" against deploying more troops in border areas may "cast a shadow" on Defence Minister AK Antony's Beijing visit.Major General Luo Yuan of the People's Liberation Army on Thursday warned India not to "provoke new problems and "stir up" trouble by increasing military deployment in border areas, reports say.The Hindustan Times feels the general's comments have "struck a controversial note" ahead of Mr Antony's meeting with Chinese leaders during his three-day visit, which starts on Friday."He (General Luo) is allowed to frequently voice his often strongly nationalistic opinions even on state media outlets has been seen by some analysts as suggesting that he enjoys backing among certain sections of the party and military," says The Hindu.The paper, however, feels that "more moderate voices in the Chinese strategic community see Mr Antony's visit as a useful opportunity" to solve border disputes."The remarks pointed to differences between the Chinese defence establishment and the foreign ministry, which seeks a much broader relationship with India beyond the border issue," The Times of India says.
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http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/02/ch ... -cheering/

Users on Channel 2, a Japanese online discussion forum with over 11 million users, responded to Luo’s threats with smirks and jeers. “As the saying goes: the weaker the dog, the louder it barks,” wrote one user. - See more at: http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/02/ch ... z2653.dpuf

At home in China, many Web users showered stinging personal attacks on Luo Yuan as well. When he tweeted a paean to himself—“General Luo Yuan is a soldier as well as a scholar…His suggestions are extremely reasonable and brilliant. The military analysis he gives is the most popular on TV”—netizens exploded with laughing smiley faces. - See more at: http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/02/ch ... z2653.dpuf


Others showered abuse upon Feng Wei, denouncing him as a traitor. “[Feng Wei] you dog, don’t let me see you—if I ever see you I will hit you! You Japanese ********! Your mother is a Japanese dog!” cursed @大树脚下的山鹰. @华英雄V牛B wrote, “You scumbag, do you know what “homeland” means? …You’re worse than dogs!” User @蛮仔 went as far as to say: “I look forward to the bombing of Tokyo. While you’re at it, blow up these elite professors, too.” - See more at: http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/02/ch ... z2653.dpuf
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Jhujar wrote:I think they are not sure about India as they are about Russia and wanted to see the reaction of India and Its Allies to fathom their understanding regarding the military threat from China.It fizzles and they still dont know for sure and remain in Bhambalboosa.
May be. One of China's techniques is to keep us guessing all the time of its intentions and moves. It could also be a technique to wean India away from what is unmistakably emerging as an alliance against China's aggressive military posture. A Stick-and-Carrot approach. When Man Mohan Singh went to Japan recently, China tried to drive a wedge by praising India is wise enough etc. Then, it warned India against joining any alliance. Before Li came to Delhi, it was an aggressive border intrusion. Then Li made a big dance and song about how India had always impressed him from his youthful days and how we can improve trade etc. promised to open up access to Indian industries in China. This same Gen. Luo Yuan, in an interview with The Hindu about 10 days back said that border dispute with India was not even on China's radar sounding dovey etc. (I posted that here). Now, just hours before Antony arrives in Beijing, he sounds a warning.
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Strain in India-Bhutan ties because of Beijing

Ties strained as India cuts fuel subsidy to Bhutan - ToI
Is this a case of diplomatic overkill or just the slow grind of the bureaucratic machinery? Five days ago, India withdrew all subsidy on cooking gas and kerosene being provided to Bhutan - arguably India's only unquestioned friend among its neighbours - creating a huge crisis in the tiny, landlocked kingdom and bringing the bilateral ties under strain.

Gas and kerosene prices have more than doubled in Bhutan, and predictably, this will hit the poor the hardest. The head of the interim government, Sonam Tobgye, has written to external affairs minister Salman Khurshid, seeking his intervention. Government sources here confirmed that Bhutan embassy had sought an appointment with Khurshid, who landed in Delhi only on Friday afternoon after his trip to Brunei and Singapore, to deliver the letter.

The subsidy cut has come against the backdrop of New Delhi smarting since last year when Bhutan PM Jigme Thinley appeared to be cosying up to Beijing. He had a meeting with the Chinese premier in Rio and also imported some 20 buses from China. India, which has historically supported Bhutan's foreign policy, including its membership to the UN, was taken by surprise.

The Thinley government has since played down his meeting with the Chinese leader, but not everyone in New Delhi seems convinced about its purported innocence. In fact, the mandarins here view it as a shift in Thimpu's foreign policy - a shift that appears to have been done at the instance of the elected Thinley government. However, it couldn't be ascertained whether the subsidy cut was linked to this.

Sources in Indian Oil Corporation told TOI that it stopped supplying subsidized gas and kerosene to Bhutan after it received a communication from the Indian government saying that henceforth it will not reimburse the subsidy component of fuels supplied there.

The subsidy cut has come bang in the middle of Bhutan's second election, scheduled for July 13. How big the impact of this is can be measured by the fact that the incumbent Druk Phuensum Tshogpa (DPT) party president and the last prime minister, Jigme Thinley, has cut short his campaign and returned to Thimpu. His pitch is that helping out the poor was more important than electoral campaigning.

Is the subsidy cut a considered step or some bureaucrat's ill-advised enthusiasm? Officials here are suggesting that since the Bhutan 10th Plan expired on June 30, the fresh terms of financial assistance, including subsidies, would have to be negotiated with the new government.

As it happens, apart from the China angle, New Delhi has also been miffed at the cost escalation of power projects in Bhutan which it is financing. In some cases, the cost has almost doubled, raising suspicions of some fund diversion.

India's reservations about Bhutan's policies under Thinley is said to be a key reason why New Delhi reacted very late to bail out the kingdom from its rupee liquidity crunch. It extended a standby credit facility of Rs 1,000 crore for Bhutan only in January this year during the visit of Bhutan king Jigme Wangchuck with whom New Delhi continues to enjoy excellent relations.

So, was the subsidy cut an effort to convey a message to Thimpu, more specifically to the Thinley dispensation? If so, the medium for the message could have been better chosen. The one-go subsidy cut isn't an ordinary step: it has affected over half the Bhutan population badly. What's more, it has enabled Jigme Thinley to brandish his patriotic credentials and could end up helping him in the elections.

As is well known, India isn't exactly loved by its neighbours for its alleged big-brotherly attitude. The exception has been Bhutan, which is sandwiched between two giants, India and China. While the tall Himalayas lie between Bhutan and China, it has an open border with India, as well as free trade, access of markets and cultural affinity.

While the Thinley regime might have introduced a thorn in the warm ties, the one-shot cut in subsidy may not help in bringing back the warmth. On the contrary, it might end up fanning an anti-India sentiment among the people there. So, while New Delhi's concerns seem justified, greater thought is required to handle the emerging problem.
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^^ Not appeasing our neighbors is a good start. However, we should have started with Pakis and Beedis.
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SSridhar wrote:When asked for his opinion on the impact of the French Revolution on the world, Chairman Mao famously quipped, "It is too early to assess the impact".
It wasn't Mao Tse-Tung, it was Chou En-Lai, the same Chou En-Lai who died because Mao denied him treatment. Also the Chou En-Lai of Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai fame...Also, probably the most cultured and erudite man amongst his colleagues.
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SSridhar wrote:
Jhujar wrote:I think they are not sure about India as they are about Russia and wanted to see the reaction of India and Its Allies to fathom their understanding regarding the military threat from China.It fizzles and they still dont know for sure and remain in Bhambalboosa.
May be. One of China's techniques is to keep us guessing all the time of its intentions and moves. It could also be a technique to wean India away from what is unmistakably emerging as an alliance against China's aggressive military posture. A Stick-and-Carrot approach. When Man Mohan Singh went to Japan recently, China tried to drive a wedge by praising India is wise enough etc. Then, it warned India against joining any alliance. Before Li came to Delhi, it was an aggressive border intrusion. Then Li made a big dance and song about how India had always impressed him from his youthful days and how we can improve trade etc. promised to open up access to Indian industries in China. This same Gen. Luo Yuan, in an interview with The Hindu about 10 days back said that border dispute with India was not even on China's radar sounding dovey etc. (I posted that here). Now, just hours before Antony arrives in Beijing, he sounds a warning.
This is the best assessment I have seen.

The key is to understand that Chinese history tells us all changes in China are in the nature of sudden, dramatic discontinuities. In other words, there will be no major change in China's strategic posture towards India (deep and vigorous animosity) unless there is regime change afoot.

This game of blowing hot and blowing cold is, as you say, intended to befuddle us.
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Strain in India-Bhutan ties because of Beijing
I can actually understand why Bhutan possibly may want to be on better terms with Beijing. Considering the fact that India has abandoned Tibet, is Dharma blind what options do countries like Bhutan have but to be on better terms? To reverse the damage, we have to change and harden our stance on Tibet. If one goes deeper the entire rot in our FP starts with our abandonment of Tibet. The day we make the correct stance on Tibet every FP option we exercise will look logical and straightforward. Think about it.
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PoK Projects Sweeten China-Pakistan Ties - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu
China and Pakistan on Friday signed deals to push forward a long-discussed economic corridor and to lay a first-of-its-kind fibre optic link from the Chinese border to Rawalpindi.

The deals were signed as Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif met China’s top leaders, and hailed the relationship as “higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the deepest sea in the world and sweeter than honey” during a meeting with Premier Li Keqiang here on Friday morning. “I am very proud having undertaken this visit to China as my first visit [overseas]” after taking over as Prime Minister, Mr. Sharif added.

The highlight of the eight agreements signed on Friday was a “long-term” plan to build an $18-billion economic corridor from Xinjiang on China’s western border to the Gwadar port. The two countries also signed a deal for a fibre optic link from Xinjiang to Rawalpindi. The 820-km link would cost $ 44 million, with 85 per cent of the financing coming from the Chinese, and take three years to complete, said officials.

Both the economic corridor and the fibre optic link will pass through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), underscoring China’s willingness to pursue projects in the region despite India’s objections.

Mr. Sharif was quoted as saying by Pakistani media that the Gwadar economic corridor may be given “special status through necessary legislation” to ensure its completion. {Have the Balochis agreed to this ?} He also called for an early completion of the repairing of the Karakoram Highway, which runs from Xinjiang through PoK.

Mr. Sharif met Chinese President Xi Jinping on Thursday evening. Mr. Xi strongly backed deepening the “all-weather” ties between the two countries, describing the relationship as one of “good neighbours, friends, partners as well as brothers”.

“The partnership with Pakistan is a priority in China’s foreign policies,” Mr. Xi said.
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On Bhutan, let us remember that China has irredentist claims there as well.

China has been claiming Doklam, Charithang, Sinchulimpa and Dramana pasture land in Western Bhutan leading up to the Chumbi Valley which is a wedge between India (Sikkim) and Bhutan. The idea of the Chinese is to increase the shoulder leading to the narrow Chumbi valley to enable building road and rail network. The Chumbi Valley is hardly 500 Kms from the strategic and narrow Siliguri Corridor (or, ‘Chicken’s Neck’) that connects the North East to mainland India. In June, 2012, China proposed to establish its diplomatic mission in Bhutan and demanded Bhutan conceding 400 Sq. Kms of land leading up to the Chumbi Valley.

Chinese projects are commercial to start with but can be easily used for military purposes when situations demand. Like Gwadar or Hambanatota etc. Same is the case with the road and rail networks in Tibet or the KKH to Pakistan. The aim with Bhutan is also to pocket the last remaining un-influenced nation around the periphery of India.
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Like our namesakes, the "Red Indians" used to say "White man speaks with forked tongue", we should remember that even the "China man speaks with forked tongue."

Doesn't apply to those of prior generation Chinese descent across Asia, but the politically coloured reds.
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Defence Minister A.K. Antony along with PLA Senior Colonel Zhao Kangping (right), inspects a PLA Air Force J-10 aircraft of the 24th Air Division in Tianjin, near Beijing, on Saturday.
Associated story - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu
Defence Minister A.K. Antony on Saturday called on India and China to deepen trust between their militaries, as he visited a top Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) university here on the second day of his official visit.

"If the military leadership on both sides, from the top to the ground formations, can maintain both trust and mutual respect, and confidence, then it is easy to maintain peace and tranquility in border areas," Mr. Antony said in an interaction with PLA officers of the National Defence University (NDU).

Mr. Antony was welcomed by Lieutenant General Liu Yazhou, who is the Political Commissar of the NDU and a senior Air Force official.

Lt. Gen. Liu told Mr. Antony he had visited the disputed eastern section of the border in Tibet, when he served earlier in the Chengdu Military Region.

The two leaders agreed to enhance exchanges between the NDU and India's own national defence college. Mr. Antony said India had, last month, hosted 39 officers from the NDU.

One PLA official of the NDU The Hindu spoke to acknowledged the need for greater communication. Most of the PLA's scholars were more interested and focused on the West, and the U.S. in particular. "We need to learn more about the Indian military," he said.

Mr. Antony toured the NDU along with his delegation. The Defence Minister had expressed interest to visit China's top military academy even as India goes ahead with its plans to build a new defence university in Gurgaon.

The sprawling and state-of-the-art Chinese national defence university sits on a green campus in Beijing's outskirts, located next to the Summer Palace, on a property that stretches over 15,000 square metres. Home to several thousand young PLA officers, it is China's premier military training academy.

Later on Saturday, Mr. Antony will visit a PLA Air Force unit in Tianjin, near Beijing, and hold talks with China's State Councillor and top diplomat Yang Jiechi.
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India, China agree to re-build fragile defence ties - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu
After two days of talks here, India and China have drawn up a long-term plan to gradually rebuild trust between their militaries, as they continue to grapple with the fall-out of the three week-long April stand-off along the border which has prompted both countries to re-examine the breadth of their defence ties.

The plan, announced in a joint statement released on Saturday and later detailed by officials after Defence Minister A.K. Antony concluded his talks, includes increasing both the frequency and number of locations of border personnel meetings along the disputed boundary, and expanding direct contact between the militaries.

The above two proposals, put forward by India, were a direct response to the April 15 incursion by Chinese troops into Depsang, in eastern Ladakh.

The incursion occurred in an area where differing perceptions of the disputed Line of Actual Control (LAC) were particularly pronounced. By increasing the number of border personnel meeting points, officials hope to gradually narrow the wide divergences between the two countries over the undemarcated border.

That the Depsang stand-off took as long as three weeks to be resolved also exposed the need for closer direct contact between the militaries. Part of the reason for the delay in ending the impasse was an apparent lag in communications between the Chinese military and the Foreign Ministry in Beijing, which was India’s main point of contact. Unlike in the Indian set-up, the Chinese Foreign Ministry holds far less authority than the PLA and is often kept out of the loop in the Army’s decision-making.

The Chinese side appeared to react positively to the two proposals, as Mr. Antony met his Chinese counterpart, General Chang Wanquan, and Premier Li Keqiang on Friday and held talks with State Councilor Yang Jiechi, Special Representative on the boundary question, on Saturday.

Mr. Antony said he was “happy about the outcome because there is a consensus of minds, a consensus between governments and military leaderships that till we find a solution to the border issues, we must maintain peace, stability and tranquillity.” He said the aim was “to avoid unpleasant incidents, and if they happen, to resolve them immediately.” “In that respect, military-to-military-level confidence building is essential. There should be trust and confidence and mutual respect at the ground level also,” he said.

While both governments have publicly continued to play down the April 15 incident, India has now made clear to China on at least three occasions in the months since the incursion that without peace and tranquillity on the border, there could be no foundation on which to take forward the relationship in any other area. This was first conveyed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh when he met Mr. Li Keqiang in New Delhi in May. A similar message was stressed by National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon, when he travelled to Beijing last week for the 16th round of border talks with Mr. Yang Jiechi.

The joint statement on Saturday reiterated that point, “noting that peace and tranquillity on the border was an important guarantor for the growth and development of bilateral cooperation.” The statement said both sides reviewed the working of agreements and protocols relating to maintaining peace and tranquillity, and “directed that it be further strengthened.”

Both sides also “agreed on an early conclusion of negotiations” for a Border Defence Cooperation Agreement, a draft of which was first put forward by China, which has similar agreements with many of its neighbours, in March. After India responded with comments on the draft in May, which included objections to any commitments to freeze border infrastructure considering the prevailing wide asymmetry in China’s favour, Beijing put forward a revised draft shortly before Mr. Antony’s visit. Mr. Antony said there was “forward movement” on the draft, adding that on “most of the provisions there is consensus.”

On Saturday, last day of his visit to China, Mr. Antony visited the PLA’s sprawling National Defence University (NDU) and the PLA Air Force’s 24th Air Division near Tianjin, a port city 110 km from Beijing.

Reflecting the expansion of defence ties beyond the two armies, the two sides agreed to expand functional exchanges between their air forces and to increase ship visits, as well as joint search and rescue and anti-piracy operations between the navies. India is also considering taking forward long-discussed plans to station Navy and Air Force attachés in its Beijing Embassy, where there is currently only one defence attaché. On Friday, the two countries also firmed up plans to hold their third round of joint counterterrorism exercises in October, after a five-year gap.

“With the length of our land boundary and our history, the Army was the initial focus but now we are moving beyond this,” an official said. “Today, our ships, trade and naval activity in Asia have increased. More than 50 per cent of our trade comes from the east of India, through the South China Sea, East China Sea, Malacca Straits and Indian Ocean. We are operating in a larger space, they are operating in a larger space, so it is natural that our ships will be in the approximately same space.”

Officials {Which officials, Chinese or Indian ? It has to come from the Chinese officials, otherwise it is not worth it} were also dismissive of recent comments by a hawkish PLA Major General, Luo Yuan, who warned India not to “stir up” trouble along the border. The officials pointed out that Major General Luo, a strategic scholar, did not hold any official position and often made “provocative statements,” while the PLA officials during the last two days of talks had themselves expressed views that were vastly different.
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India becomes part of trading bloc despite Chinese opposition - ToI
India overcame resistance from China to become a part of the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) agreement, an Asean + 6 grouping which is set to emerge as one of the most significant free trading blocs in the world, government sources confirmed.

Despite Beijing's reservations, India participated in the first round of negotiations held recently for RCEP because of support from several Asean nations led by Malaysia which insisted on India's involvement. The RCEP comprises China, India, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea apart from the 10-member Asean.

Government sources here as well as Malaysia's minister for international trade and industry Mustapa bin Mohamed told TOI that there was no objection any longer to India's participation in RCEP which seeks to achieve greater regional economic integration. "Let us not go into the past... the fact is that there is complete unanimity in RCEP now and that is what matters,'' he said in reply to a query about China's opposition to India's involvement.

According to government sources, there were certain issues raised by China over India's participation but Beijing had no option but to acquiesce after it noticed popular support for India. The second round of negotiations for RCEP will be held in Australia in September. The agreement is likely to come into effect in 2015.

After it was first proposed in the 2011 Asean summit, RCEP has been looked upon by Malaysia and other nations in the region as one of the most ambitious regional economic integration initiatives meant to integrate Asean economy with the global economy.

Asean countries, many of which have had territorial spats with Beijing in the South China Sea, look upon India as an important partner, not least Malaysia which is fast emerging as a crucial economic partner for India.
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The Chinese opposition to India becoming a member of RCEP is not an isolated instance. We know similar objection to NSG or UNSC memberships as well. China, not being a member of MTCR, Wassenaar or Australia group, it is unable to directly oppose moves to make India as a member in these groupings. In fact, China's membership to MTCR has been rejected for being a missile proliferator. China blocked several times the India-sponsored move to declare Hafeez Saeed a terrorist under UNSC Al Qaeda resolution. It stopped an ADB funding for developmental projects in Arunachal Pradesh claiming it as disputed territory.

Apart from these, even in trade and economic blocks such as IBSA or BRICS or IOR-ARC, China is proceeding with a plan to sideline India.

So, there is a concerted and unrelenting move by China to weaken India's legitimate position and participation in multilateral fora.
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Shinzo Abe accuses China of 'using force' - Japan Times
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Sunday criticized China for what he termed its bid to “change the status quo by force” in terms of its relations with Japan and other Asian nations.

Such an approach is “wrong,” Abe said on a television program, referring to the ongoing tensions being generated by the Senkakus dispute and other maritime rifts involving China in the region.

“Japan and China have indivisible relations, and the two countries must solve problems through dialogue,” Abe said, pressuring Beijing to ease its conditions for holding a bilateral summit.

China is said to be demanding that Tokyo acknowledge the existence of a bilateral territorial dispute and shelve the issue involving the Senkaku Islands, which are claimed by China as Diaoyu and by Taiwan as Tiaoyutai. Japan maintains no dispute exists as the islets are legally and historically part of Japan.

“It is wrong as a diplomatic stance to reject holding a summit meeting because conditions are not met,” Abe said. He said he is urging China and other nations to respect the “rule of law” in solving any maritime dispute.

His remarks came after the recent revelation that a large Chinese crane ship is building a drilling facility in the ocean at a point near the Japan-claimed border between the two countries’ exclusive economic zones.

On Sunday, the Japan Coast Guard said three Chinese maritime surveillance vessels entered Japanese territorial waters in the morning near the Senkakus.

The Haijian No. 23, Haijian No. 49 and Haijian No. 5001 were spotted cruising near the Japan-controlled islets at around 9:30 a.m., the 11th Regional Coast Guard Headquarters in Naha, Okinawa Prefecture, said.


The coast guard warned the Chinese ships not to enter Japanese territorial waters, but the Haijian No. 5001 responded both in Chinese and Japanese that it was “conducting a regular patrol under Chinese law,” the coast guard said. {Oh, the familiar "We have not intruded 19 Kms into Indian territory, we are on our land"}
H.K. activists plan landing

Hong Kong-based activists who succeeded last year in landing a crew on the uninhabited Senkaku Islands plan to make another try next month to assert China’s sovereignty over the Japan-controlled chain, the group’s leader said Saturday.

Lo Chau, who commanded the boat last August that sailed to the islets, claimed by China as Diaoyu and by Taiwan as Tiaoyutai, said the activists will repair it and apply for a sailing license so they can set sail Aug. 15.

“We plan to set sail again on the one-year anniversary,” said Lo, chairman of the Action Committee for Defending the Diaoyu Islands. “If the government does not drag (its) feet, we should have enough time to fix the boat and go.”

However, the Hong Kong government’s ban on the boat sailing either in or outside Hong Kong’s waters, remains in place.

“If (authorities) try to block us from leaving Hong Kong waters again, we will break through like we did last year,” Lo said.

On Aug. 15 last year, the group’s boat managed to elude Hong Kong police and Japan Coast Guard vessels and sail close enough for some of the activists to land on Uotsuri, the largest of the five main islets in the Senkaku group. The activists unfurled Chinese and Taiwanese flags before being detained and later deported by Japan.

Lo conceded the activists might need their Taiwan counterparts, the World Chinese Association Defend the Diaoyu Islands, to take over if his group’s boat is blocked from leaving Hong Kong.

On Saturday, about 20 members of Lo’s group protested outside the Japanese Consulate General against Japan’s “invasion” of the islands, which Beijing claims were “stolen” from China in 1895 at the end of the Sino-Japanese War, at which time Tokyo forced the Qing government to sign the humiliating Treaty of Shimonoseki, ceding them and other territories, including Taiwan.

The activists also urged Japanese not to vote for the Liberal Democratic Party in the Upper House election to stop Prime Minister Shinzo Abe from amending the Constitution so he can officially turn the Self-Defense Forces into a standing military.
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China intrudes again in Chumar: Vandalizes Army Posts - Economic Times
Leh: In another incursion, Chinese troops intruded into the Chumar sector in Ladakh--the same area which had sparked off tensions in April--and smashed some bunkers besides cutting wires of cameras installed at the border post.

Official sources said today the intrusion took place on June 17 when the troops of China's People's Liberation Army(PLA) entered Indian territory in the Chumar sector and started vandalising the observation bunkers besides cutting the wires which overlook the Chinese territory.

Chumar, located 300 km from here[Leh], has always been an area of discomfort for the Chinese troops as this is the only area along the Sino-Indian border where they do not have any direct access to the Line of Actual Control(LAC).

The 21-day face-off between the two sides in the remote Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) sector on April 15 was triggered by construction of an observation tower in Chumar division which had to be subsequently dismantled by the Army on May 5 before the crisis was defused.

The Chinese side, according to the minutes of the flag meetings in the last week of March this year, had been objecting to the construction of the watch tower along the LAC in Chumar.

After dismantling the observation post and defence bunkers, Army had installed cameras to monitor movement of Chinese troops along the LAC, a step which had irked the PLA.


Chumar, a remote village on Ladakh-Himachal Pradesh border, is being claimed by China as its own territory. The Chinese side also reportedly resorted to helicopter incursions almost every year.

Last year, it dropped some of the soldiers of PLA in this region and dismantled the makeshift storage tents of the Army and ITBP.

This area is not accessible from the Chinese side whereas the Indian side has a road almost to the last point on which the Army can carry loads upto nine tonnes.
This incident happened just a few weeks after PM Man Mohan Singh is reported to have told visiting Li Keqiang that without peace at the border the relationship cannot proceed further on trade etc, and a few days before NSA Shiv Shankar Menon was to visit Beijing. This is coming to public light almost three weeks later, after AK Antony's successful visit. So, it was decided not to release the news in order not to vitiate the excellent atmosphere ahead of Antony's visit. Another Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai in the offing. It also exposes the trumpeting by Salman Kurshid that smart Indian diplomacy, rather than hard military option, helped restore peace in DBO.
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also goes to show that the PLA thinks it is very vulnerable in the chumar sector
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Unlike what most people think, China is quite vulnerable along the entire stretch at almost all places in spite of infrastructure build-up, JF-17, CSS-5 et al.
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Unlike what most people think, China is quite vulnerable along the entire stretch at almost all places in spite of infrastructure build-up, JF-17, CSS-5 et al.
SS Ji,i completely agree with that. In fact i am of the opinion that there is a lot of bravado on the Chinese front. Reality is even a few words can rattle Chinese hold on Tibet and make these border discussions meaningless. India diplomatically de recognizing Tibet and laying claim to KM will knock the breath of the Chinese bravado. We should simply discuss the LAC positions on the border with the Chinese not the International border. We must strengthen our defensive and offensive capabilities when we come down to saying so. We must say so softly and mean it..that we derecognize Chinese claims on Tibet and certainly KM. That we look to plot amicably a LAC position on our northern borders, but will diplomatically engage China in securing rights for the Tibetan people. The Chinese will never stop till they take over the NE, Sikkim, Nepal and Bodh Gaya.
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