The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Kaivalya » 09 Nov 2019 12:04

Karthik S wrote:Guys why 5 acres to other party? They lost the case, first time am seeing a losing party getting rewarded. Destroy a religion's holy site, build your structure over it, now when natives reclaim the place, get a bigger land for new structure.


There was an observation made by the court that even though sunni waqf board does not have any conclusive proof, they did have control of the inner area continuously. Let's be happy for the moment sir...

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby ShyamSP » 09 Nov 2019 12:05

Jai Sri Ram
Jai Kar Sevaks
Jai Ayodhya Bhakt Log
Jai VHP, RSS, BJP
Jai LK Advani, Ashok Singhal, Kalyan Singh
[please add many other names that sacrificed for Sri Ram.]

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Santosh » 09 Nov 2019 12:05

The judgement is like saying the murderer needs to be hanged but the victim's kin needs to be imprisoned also to maintain balance. This is milord's justice.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Rupesh » 09 Nov 2019 12:07

5 Acres is too much. It's as large as a cricket ground.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby arshyam » 09 Nov 2019 12:08

tandav wrote:As per SC and ASI there was no pre existing Temple

I don't think that is correct, going by media reports (see below, from TNIE). They seemed to have said that the ASI report mentioned remains of a non-Islamic structure beneath, but the report does not conclude that the temple was demolished when building the mosque.

10:49 Nov 9
ASI report does not say, temple razed to build masjid: CJI

10:48 Nov 9
Babri Masjid was built on a temple structure. The underlying structure is not islamic origin. Title of the land must be decided as per the law, rules SC.

10:47 Nov 9
ASI report can't be neglected and is credential beyond doubt: SC


Better to wait for the fine print and read the judgment for ourselves I guess.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:09

williams wrote:NDTV is not happy :) that says who won

NDTV is unhappy is because of the unanimous nature of the verdict and with a Muslim part of the unanimous decision!

Not difficult to understand NDTV. They are our premier BIF propaganda wing. They thrive on cracks and split where they can put ghee and light fire! The current verdict does not give them that scope to read and magnify one, usually a anti-yindu, part if the verdict.

BUT worry not! NDTV did not get this mantle for being stupid. Expect them to find something or the other to ply their agenda with.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby dada » 09 Nov 2019 12:10

Ram Temple at Ayodhya is the centre of re-emergence of indic civilisation. We are just beginning to get out of the hangover of 1000 yrs of islamic & christian colonisation of bharatvarsh. The mental decolonisation of bharatiyas begins NOW !

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Postby Santosh » 09 Nov 2019 12:10

As far as I remember ASI's finding was conclusive that temple structure existed below the super structure of masjid. Even High court ruling had upheld ASI's findings

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 09 Nov 2019 12:11

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A special thanks to this 92 year old layer Parasaran ayya.

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Postby CRamS » 09 Nov 2019 12:13

At my local Radha Krishna Temple, this Ram Chandra bhajan is part of every evening aarti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eEy--MCi7A

Meditate on Lord Ram to free one self from the terrible bonds of material existence and slay the evil troops of lust and other forces of maya

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Sanju » 09 Nov 2019 12:15

AIMPLB says that they aren't happy with the decision... Will read through the judgements and will then decide if a review needs to be filed or not.

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Postby Cain Marko » 09 Nov 2019 12:15

||Shri Ram Jai Ram Jai Jai Ram||

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Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 12:15

Just heard that turd Z Jilani
Now raising questions on the judgement at the same time welcoming the judgement
He said he will decide on further review of judgement
Yaani ki they will not let the temple to come up as they will file a review appeal

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Postby Karthik S » 09 Nov 2019 12:15

Need to find every sculptor from across India to build the temple. Not sure how many are left, but the new Ram Mandir should beat temples of Madurai and Srirangam in grandeur.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:16

arshyam wrote:
tandav wrote:As per SC and ASI there was no pre existing Temple

I don't think that is correct, going by media reports (see below, from TNIE). They seemed to have said that the ASI report mentioned remains of a non-Islamic structure beneath, but the report does not conclude that the temple was demolished when building the mosque.

10:49 Nov 9
ASI report does not say, temple razed to build masjid: CJI

10:48 Nov 9
Babri Masjid was built on a temple structure. The underlying structure is not islamic origin. Title of the land must be decided as per the law, rules SC.

10:47 Nov 9
ASI report can't be neglected and is credential beyond doubt: SC


Better to wait for the fine print and read the judgment for ourselves I guess.

The highlighted is very important in certain ways. It is a little negative in this case BUT it embeds a YUGE positive! A googly for sure! Will expand later if folks can't figure that out.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby tandav » 09 Nov 2019 12:17

arshyam wrote:
tandav wrote:As per SC and ASI there was no pre existing Temple

I don't think that is correct, going by media reports (see below, from TNIE). They seemed to have said that the ASI report mentioned remains of a non-Islamic structure beneath, but the report does not conclude that the temple was demolished when building the mosque.

10:49 Nov 9
ASI report does not say, temple razed to build masjid: CJI

10:48 Nov 9
Babri Masjid was built on a temple structure. The underlying structure is not islamic origin. Title of the land must be decided as per the law, rules SC.

10:47 Nov 9
ASI report can't be neglected and is credential beyond doubt: SC


Better to wait for the fine print and read the judgment for ourselves I guess.


How to explain what appears to be a contradiction in 10:49 and 10:48

Underlying structure is Non Islamic in Origin is ok... Was it a non religious OR perhaps a non hindu structure which was then acquired and Babri Complex constructed with no desecration of the Non Islamic structure?

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Postby OmkarC » 09 Nov 2019 12:21

Rsatchi wrote:Just heard that turd Z Jilani
Now raising questions on the judgement at the same time welcoming the judgement
He said he will decide on further review of judgement
Yaani ki they will not let the temple to come up as they will file a review appeal


They are saying its very unlikely it will be overturned.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Sachin » 09 Nov 2019 12:21

Karthik S wrote:A special thanks to this 92 year old layer Parasaran ayya.

He is also fighting in Sabari Mala review petitions as well. Today's verdict I guess also accepted the "right of a diety" to contest cases. This is applicable in Sabari Mala case as well.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:23

dada wrote:Ram Temple at Ayodhya is the centre of re-emergence of indic civilisation. We are just beginning to get out of the hangover of 1000 yrs of islamic & christian colonisation of bharatvarsh. The mental decolonisation of bharatiyas begins NOW !

The pivotal date is going to be 25/26 Dec 2019.

The next 4 years are going to reset a lot of what we know about modern India that is Bharat.

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Postby ShyamSP » 09 Nov 2019 12:25

Sachin wrote:
Karthik S wrote:A special thanks to this 92 year old layer Parasaran ayya.

He is also fighting in Sabari Mala review petitions as well. Today's verdict I guess also accepted the "right of a diety" to contest cases. This is applicable in Sabari Mala case as well.


I don't think they said "right of a diety" so that fight is still there to establish and is important to overturn previous Sabarimala judgement,

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Neela » 09 Nov 2019 12:30

5 acres on the other side of Sarayu. I hope it is 50 km away. I dont want a eyesore anywhere in the horizon. Imagine a mega mosque that overshadows....

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Postby Santosh » 09 Nov 2019 12:30

Sabarimala judgement is also supposed to come before the 17th along with judgement on clean chit to Government on Rafale and one more case - RTI on Courts I think.

^^ They have polluted the atmosphere by giving 5 acres, now there will be unnecessary competition on who builds grander structure.
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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:32

Faizabad should work too as an alternate site for the Sunni wakr board.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:32

Sachin wrote:He is also fighting in Sabari Mala review petitions as well. Today's verdict I guess also accepted the "right of a diety" to contest cases. This is applicable in Sabari Mala case as well.

The judgement will need to be studied in detail. There will be nuggets that will help in other cases too. While looking unimportant in the current case, they might turn out to be the most important points of this judgement. I have already spotted one just by reading the comments of fellow members here. Watch out for those.

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Postby Cain Marko » 09 Nov 2019 12:33

pankajs wrote:
dada wrote:Ram Temple at Ayodhya is the centre of re-emergence of indic civilisation. We are just beginning to get out of the hangover of 1000 yrs of islamic & christian colonisation of bharatvarsh. The mental decolonisation of bharatiyas begins NOW !

The pivotal date is going to be 25/26 Dec 2019.

The next 4 years are going to reset a lot of what we know about modern India that is Bharat.


Is that based on the Jyotish conjunction of 6 planets in Dhanu? Or some other reason?

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Postby Cain Marko » 09 Nov 2019 12:35

Hopefully the judgement makes the Mathura and Kashi cases a lot easier.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:37

Also, I am interested in the Trust structure that GOI is to create for RJB.

If it is well designed, it has a chance to become the template for freeing all other Temples of Hindu's still under governmental control.

This is a BIG opportunity. Hope Modi/BJP use this opportunity to get that part done too with the implicit sanction of the SC.

Anyone who can impress upon the decision makers of the BJP.

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Postby Prasad » 09 Nov 2019 12:42

A proper recorded excavation should precede temple building imo. Anyway land needs to be cleared for construction.

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Postby arshyam » 09 Nov 2019 12:43

Rsatchi wrote:Just heard that turd Z Jilani
Now raising questions on the judgement at the same time welcoming the judgement
He said he will decide on further review of judgement
Yaani ki they will not let the temple to come up as they will file a review appeal

Well, legally, they are entitled to.

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Postby Aditya_V » 09 Nov 2019 12:44

Does the undisputed land around the2.7 acres also now goes to the Hindus, which was seized by Government in 1993. That would ensure a 20-30 acre temple.

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Postby Rupesh » 09 Nov 2019 12:44

Wow what an year 2019 is turning out. 370 gone, SPG cover for the family gone and finally Bhagwan Shree Ram gets back his plot.

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Postby a_bharat » 09 Nov 2019 12:45

Was expecting a cop out judgment from SC. Glad that they didn't try to showcase their psecular, fiberal credentials to the world by trampling on majority sentiments.

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Postby Rsatchi » 09 Nov 2019 12:46

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menara_Kudus_Mosque
Sorry to be putting this up!!!
but to all those 'crying sheilas' temple no temple but a building is fair game for the 'pissfuls' to convert and then cry spilt-milk when caught!!

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Postby Prasad » 09 Nov 2019 12:46

There were lots of very interesting info nuggets in the HC judgement. SC judgement will also need detailed reading. Chaanakya saar, are you around? :)

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Postby dada » 09 Nov 2019 12:50

How can we donate to this ram temple project ? any specific information ?

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Postby ritesh » 09 Nov 2019 12:52

pankajs wrote:Also, I am interested in the Trust structure that GOI is to create for RJB.

If it is well designed, it has a chance to become the template for freeing all other Temples of Hindu's still under governmental control.

This is a BIG opportunity. Hope Modi/BJP use this opportunity to get that part done too with the implicit sanction of the SC.

Anyone who can impress upon the decision makers of the BJP.

SuSwamyji... There should be public pressure and he is right person to lead it and should happen all across India.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 12:53

Cain Marko wrote:
pankajs wrote:The pivotal date is going to be 25/26 Dec 2019.

The next 4 years are going to reset a lot of what we know about modern India that is Bharat.


Is that based on the Jyotish conjunction of 6 planets in Dhanu? Or some other reason?

Yep ... Almost every graha will cluster in Dhanu with Guru the Dharma karaka, and Shani the Nyaya karaka on 25/26 Dec 2019. There is an eclipse too on that date.

Plus Guru just entered his own Rasi on 5th Nov where Shani is stationed. By Jan 2020, Shani will move into Makar his one Rashi for about 2 years followed by its other Rasi of Kumbha for a further 2 years.

All this while, Guru will be in its own Dhanu then Shani's Makar, followed by Shani's Kumbh to be followed by Guru's very own Meen Rashi.

4 years will reset a lot about India. The journey may not be painless but it looks like Bharat will rise again.

The RJB verdict came as soon as Guru entered his own Dhanu and on a Shaniwar, when Shani was in Lagna! That is Dharma karaka and Nyaya karaka working together for you. Someone else's observation btw. I know very little except some very broad general points.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby arshyam » 09 Nov 2019 12:57

pankajs wrote:
arshyam wrote:I don't think that is correct, going by media reports (see below, from TNIE). They seemed to have said that the ASI report mentioned remains of a non-Islamic structure beneath, but the report does not conclude that the temple was demolished when building the mosque.



Better to wait for the fine print and read the judgment for ourselves I guess.

The highlighted is very important in certain ways. It is a little negative in this case BUT it embeds a YUGE positive! A googly for sure! Will expand later if folks can't figure that out.

Certain places related to gyan and nectar? :)

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby ritesh » 09 Nov 2019 13:00

Let the rise of a new Bharatvarsh start today... Modiji needs to deliver alot in economic sphere for it to come true.

GoI needs to get into wholesale public infra building spree across the lenght and breadth of this country to kickstart the process.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby pankajs » 09 Nov 2019 13:01

arshyam wrote:
pankajs wrote:The highlighted is very important in certain ways. It is a little negative in this case BUT it embeds a YUGE positive! A googly for sure! Will expand later if folks can't figure that out.

Certain places related to gyan and nectar? :)

Babur-nama, the chronicles of Babur, NEVER had any reference to Ayodhya demolition or Babri structure. BUT there were other references and confessions. Now test the applicability of milards logic for all other such structures ... and other xxxx-namas. Milard's kookley. :wink:
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