The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

[Cain Marko]

There were lots of very interesting info nuggets in the HC judgement. SC judgement will also need detailed reading. Chaanakya saar, are you around?

CAn you elaborate saar, please

[Aditya_V]

Regarding 5 acres, some land of SP/BSP/INC leaders must be given for this purpose

[vimal]

Regarding 5 acres, some land of SP/BSP/INC leaders must be given for this purpose

[Rahul M]

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/you- ... ram-mandir

You Know Rajeev Dhavan, Now Meet 92-Year-Old K Parasaran Who Is Leading Hindus’ Legal Fight For Ram Mandir

[pankajs]

Does the undisputed land around the2.7 acres also now goes to the Hindus, which was seized by Government in 1993. That would ensure a 20-30 acre temple.

IIRC, the total land under GOI control around the site is ~ 67 acres in total. That can accommodate a lot of facilities for the pilgrims too.

[Cain Marko]

Is that based on the Jyotish conjunction of 6 planets in Dhanu? Or some other reason?

Yep ... Almost every graha will cluster in Dhanu with Guru the Dharma karaka, and Shani the Nyaya karaka on 25/26 Dec 2019. There is an eclipse too on that date.

Plus Guru just entered his own Rasi on 5th Nov where Shani is stationed. By Jan 2020, Shani will move into Makar his one Rashi for about 2 years followed by its other Rasi of Kumbha for a further 2 years.

All this while, Guru will be in its own Dhanu then Shani's Makar, followed by Shani's Kumbh to be followed by Guru's very own Meen Rashi.

4 years will reset a lot about India. The journey may not be painless but it looks like Bharat will rise again.

The RJB verdict came as soon as Guru entered his own Dhanu and on a Shaniwar, when Shani was in Lagna! That is Dharma karaka and Nyaya karaka working together for you. Someone else's observation btw. I know very little except some very broad general points.

Yes - great observations. I have heard as much from some Mahatmas and Fakirs as well. 2023-24 is what they alluded to as start of "Golden Age" and this was about 15 years ago. And it was supposed to be quite dramatic, painless? doubtful. Seems like we are living at the cusp of something truly magnificent.

[pankajs]

Yep ... Almost every graha will cluster in Dhanu with Guru the Dharma karaka, and Shani the Nyaya karaka on 25/26 Dec 2019. There is an eclipse too on that date.

Plus Guru just entered his own Rasi on 5th Nov where Shani is stationed. By Jan 2020, Shani will move into Makar his one Rashi for about 2 years followed by its other Rasi of Kumbha for a further 2 years.

All this while, Guru will be in its own Dhanu then Shani's Makar, followed by Shani's Kumbh to be followed by Guru's very own Meen Rashi.

4 years will reset a lot about India. The journey may not be painless but it looks like Bharat will rise again.

The RJB verdict came as soon as Guru entered his own Dhanu and on a Shaniwar, when Shani was in Lagna! That is Dharma karaka and Nyaya karaka working together for you. Someone else's observation btw. I know very little except some very broad general points.

Yes - great observations. I have heard as much from some Mahatmas and Fakirs as well. 2023-24 is what they alluded to as start of "Golden Age" and this was about 15 years ago. And it was supposed to be quite dramatic, painless? doubtful. Seems like we are living at the cusp of something truly magnificent.

Now imagine that India was under Sonia's INC during this critical period. What Dharm would the Dharma karaka (Guru) implement?

As I have stated before, we just dodged a bullet. There is no question that we are at a pivotal moment in history. What happens in these 4-5 years will reverberate for a very long time.

[la.khan]

Regarding 5 acres, some land of SP/BSP/INC leaders must be given for this purpose

A damaad/son-in-law of a Italian lady should be able to fork this out by himself. For the distinguished gent, 5 acres may not be even chillar/change.

Does the undisputed land around the2.7 acres also now goes to the Hindus, which was seized by Government in 1993. That would ensure a 20-30 acre temple.

IIRC, the total land under GOI control around the site is ~ 67 acres in total. That can accommodate a lot of facilities for the pilgrims too.

Yes, everybody was waiting for this case to be decided so that they could figure what to do with 60+ acres of surrounding land. Now that the case is settled, state/central govt can hand over to Dharmics so that a grand temple can be built. No cutting corners, no expense spared

[Cain Marko]

Yes - great observations. I have heard as much from some Mahatmas and Fakirs as well. 2023-24 is what they alluded to as start of "Golden Age" and this was about 15 years ago. And it was supposed to be quite dramatic, painless? doubtful. Seems like we are living at the cusp of something truly magnificent.

Now imagine that India was under Sonia's INC during this critical period. What Dharm would the Dharma karaka (Guru) implement?

As I have stated before, we just dodged a bullet. There is no question that we are at a pivotal moment in history. What happens in these 4-5 years will reverberate for a very long time.

No sir, that wouldn't be dharma at all. The current combination has Ketu + Saturn + Jupiter - note it is Ketu and not Rahu that is involved. If it was the latter - who knows what might have happened. Ketu is Dhwaja karaka. Quite importantly though it has happened soon after Ju made his move into his own sign. As the rule says, A house lord never allows his own house to be spoilt.

[nachiket]

Nachiket,

I expect 5-0 verdict in favor of #JaiShriRam

Ramana garu, I bow to your prescience!

[fanne]

Jai Sri Ram!!! Jai Jai Sri Ram!!

[pankajs]

Now imagine that India was under Sonia's INC during this critical period. What Dharm would the Dharma karaka (Guru) implement?

As I have stated before, we just dodged a bullet. There is no question that we are at a pivotal moment in history. What happens in these 4-5 years will reverberate for a very long time.

No sir, that wouldn't be dharma at all. The current combination has Ketu + Saturn + Jupiter - note it is Ketu and not Rahu that is involved. If it was the latter - who knows what might have happened. Ketu is Dhwaja karaka. Quite importantly though it has happened soon after Ju made his move into his own sign. As the rule says, A house lord never allows his own house to be spoilt.

My understanding is very limited but what you say about Ketu the Dwaja karaka is true. However, one can't ignore the taint of Rahu (Mleccha) sitting in on India's Independence lagna and its direct co-relation to our sickular policy.

So while the RJB verdict might not have different, I was talking about the coming 4 critical years of re-orientation under Guru/Shani jugalbandi under a Sonia led INC's with Rahu in India's Lagna.

[Cain Marko]

BTW it must not have escaped the attention of astute brfites that this was a major day for not just Hindus but also Sikhs and Muslims in terms of religious significance!

[ramana]

Only thing is SC used Art 142 to give 5 acres which is beyond the case at hand.

This is judicial overreach.

[Aditya_V]

Meanwhile in TN secular Uvacha. Adverse Position soo called Legal expert- karmum

https://twitter.com/Ethirajans/status/1 ... 6923960320

[Vidur]

Ram Janambhoomi verdict can be seen as quasi judicial rather than pure judicial. To get the 5-0 verdict the 5 acres of land for mosque had to be given. As I observed earlier on a different thread, organizational strength and resolve of different communities plays a role in such disputes. If Hindus were more united and more committed then this compromise may not have been needed.

Having said that this verdict if properly used by the government can be very important in decolonisation of Indian minds. It shows that lot can be done if there is resolve and strong political will. But more is needed to change thinking through education reforms.

[rkhanna]

Only thing is SC used Art 142 to give 5 acres which is beyond the case at hand.

This is judicial overreach.

Not necessarily.

I think the 5 acre land was accorded due to the demolition of the mosque which the Supreme court called illegal. Article 142 states "make such order as is necessary for doing complete justice in any cause or matter pending before it"

[Vidur]

Only thing is SC used Art 142 to give 5 acres which is beyond the case at hand.

This is judicial overreach.

Agree. More decolonisation and clarity of judicial minds needed.

[Patni]

The full judgement all 1040+ pages.

https://www.sci.gov.in/pdf/JUD_2.pdf

[Peregrine]

JAI SRI RAM, WAHEY GURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEY GURU JI KI FATEH, THANK YOU GOD, TAYRA SHUKAR HAI ALLAH, THE LORD MY GOD IS ONE!

Cheers

[Cybaru]

5 acres is great move. Everyone gets something and goes home happy: New Temple, New Mosque.

[ritesh]

5 acres is great move. Everyone gets something and goes home happy: New Temple, New Mosque.

Actually speaking extremely disappointed by this award... This is what afflicts hindus due to centuries of oppression by moslems and euorpean maruders.

How is that we cannot even celebrate this epoch making victory is just mindbogling.

This thinking of what will others say needs to be rooted out of our thinking.

P.S: Did Spain showed such consideration when reconverting mosques into churches? Did French think what would mideast think while banning burqa? Who are we deceiving by doing these things?

Missed, hence adding...
SuSwamy says there are enough mosques in Ram nagari but no one visits them as not enough population of moslems to support it. So question is why one more to the list?

[Rahul M]

Nachiket,

I expect 5-0 verdict in favor of #JaiShriRam

Ramana garu, I bow to your prescience!

truly. hat's off !

[dnivas]

Let's be happy and not dwell on the 5 acres in any other part of the state.

Learn to enjoy the moment guys. Many people have fought for this day for centuries.

[pankajs]

NDTV: The judgement is based on Archeological evidence. That is important.

However, how the adverse possession plays out in the court in the judgement is the only thing dicey thing. E.g. Kasi evidence is quite clear but is in adverse possession of the Muslims. Lets see how that plays out in the future.

[Peregrine]

Nachiket,

I expect 5-0 verdict in favor of #JaiShriRam

ramana Garu Ji :

I would request that in Celebration at the Verdict we introduce "Our Own Emoticon" for "Cheers" as well as "Hat Tip"

Many thanks in Anticipation!

Cheers

[SRajesh]

In all this missing R Ayub
Nothing of teetar or FB
Where is she!!!

[Rahul M]

In all this missing R Ayub
Nothing of teetar or FB
Where is she!!!

on unditv

[pankajs]

5:0 including Justice Nazir is what has sent them into shock.

BUT have patience ... they will figure out a way to peddle their poisonous agenda sooner or later.

[Mollick.R]

Truly Historic Day.
Made me cry.
Koti Koti pranams for the karsevaks , the poor foot soldiers of Dharma. The ones who first cleared the site from
"Obstruction". The ones who scarified their life, the ones who sacrificed youth days rotting behind the bar on several charges. Most of them were not or rich and affluent, but belonged from a very very humble background.

Pranams to Late Sri Ashok Singhal jee
Pranams to Late Sri Atal Bihari Vajpyee jee
Pranams to Late Sri PV Narsimha Rao jee
Pranams to Sri LK Aadvani jee
and
Pranams to 1000 of name less face less BJP & sangh kartyakartas.


This 5 acre is an eye sore.

Let us continuously hammer and make noise in various social media platforms as well as in front of our "sikcular liberal" friends/ family members/colleagues about building one WORLD CLASS AIIMS STANDARD HOSPITAL OR an IIT STANDARD COLLEGE or An ORPHANAGE HOME FOR needy and promote Ganga Jamuna Tahjeeb , In true sense of Progressiveness and Secularism.

The other party will definitely construct a MSQ there but, "let us be progressive and build a Hospital for Humanity at 5 acre land" will make many one exposed and naked in their past demands and narratives.

[Peregrine]

‘Temple of justice’ has resolved decades-old dispute amicably: PM Modi on Ayodhya verdict

On the Ayodhya verdict, PM Modi said. "The halls of justice have amicably concluded a matter going on for decades. This verdict will further increase people’s faith in judicial processes."

The Supreme Court’s verdict on the decades-long Ayodhya-Babri Masjid dispute has “reaffirmed the independence, transparency, and farsightedness of our judiciary” and has increased the citizens’ faith in the system, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Saturday.

Lauding the top court for its decision to hand over the disputed Ayodhya land to the Ramjanmabhoomi Trust, Modi tweeted, “The halls of justice have amicably concluded a matter going on for decades. Every side, every point of view was given adequate time and opportunity to express differing points of view. This verdict will further increase people’s faith in judicial processes.”

The Prime Minister also said that the verdict should not be viewed as a victory or defeat for anyone.

“The Honourable Supreme Court has given its verdict on the Ayodhya issue. This verdict shouldn’t be seen as a win or loss for anybody. Be it Ram Bhakti or Rahim Bhakti, it is imperative that we strengthen the spirit of Rashtra Bhakti,” he said.

Modi also said that the historic verdict on Ayodhya temple is an example of how any given dispute can be resolved “amicably”.

Follow Ayodhya verdict LIVE updates here

“SC’s Ayodhya Judgment is notable because: It highlights that any dispute can be amicably solved in the spirit of due process of law. It clearly illustrates everybody is equal before the law,” he said.

“The calm and peace maintained by 130 crore Indians in the run-up to today’s verdict manifests India’s inherent commitment to peaceful coexistence. May this very spirit of unity and togetherness power the development trajectory of our nation. May every Indian be empowered,” Modi said.

Drawing the curtains on the decades-old Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title dispute case, the apex court said that the disputed 2.77-acre plot in Ayodhya will be handed over to a trust for the construction of a Ram Mandir.

Reading the unanimous verdict by five judges, Chief Justice of India Ranjan Gogoi also directed the Centre and the Uttar Pradesh government to allot a plot of land measuring five acres to the Sunni Waqf Board at a “suitable, prominent site” to build a mosque.

Cheers

[pankajs]

Yesterdin was LK Advani's birthday. Fitting tribute to his efforts.

[Gerard]

P.S: Did Spain showed such consideration when reconverting mosques into churches?

1492 vs 2019.
Today in 2019, Spain cannot act as in the days of Ferdinand and Isabella. In 2019, the Spanish King Felipe VI, like Juan Carlos I before him, may possess but does not use the historic title of his ancestors : "His Catholic Majesty".

[la.khan]

Does the 5 acres have to be in Ayodhya? Or, can it be 5/7/10 kms away too? I hope state & central govt allot the land 10+ kms away so that there is no problem in future.

[Patni]

Does the 5 acres have to be in Ayodhya? Or, can it be 5/7/10 kms away too? I hope state & central govt allot the land 10+ kms away so that there is no problem in future.

As per verdict, the 5 acre land has to be in "prominent location" in Ayodhya.

[Sicanta]

There are plenty of prominent places in faizabad part of ayodhya district. Give the land there.

[Aditya_V]

Truly Historic Day.
Made me cry.
Koti Koti pranams for the karsevaks , the poor foot soldiers of Dharma. The ones who first cleared the site from
"Obstruction". The ones who scarified their life, the ones who sacrificed youth days rotting behind the bar on several charges. Most of them were not or rich and affluent, but belonged from a very very humble background.

Pranams to Late Sri Ashok Singhal jee
Pranams to Late Sri Atal Bihari Vajpyee jee
Pranams to Late Sri PV Narsimha Rao jee
Pranams to Sri LK Aadvani jee
and
Pranams to 1000 of name less face less BJP & sangh kartyakartas.


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Especially remember the 100+ Kar Sevaks gunned down by Mulayam singh, they came from all over India, we need to charities who support them and families. The Biggest advantage the minorities seem to have they seem to have an International Network, we can see how Veerapan's family, assorted Naxalites, Bomb blasts in Sriperumbudur that killed Rajiv Gandhi, 20 others and injured many, 55 people in Coimbatore bomb blasts and many other cases, how a network of NGO's and lawyers make sure their families are supported while many HIndus live in slums and every expense is crucial.

How easily this Network shut down India's copper production, unless we start making important things and independent and powerful military nation with a good MIC - decolonization will not happen. The more our economy grows more rioters for hire and bureaucracy cannot be subverted, hard workers should make decisions and not shakuni Mama's who control the narratives.

[ShauryaT]

This is a day to rejoice as the rebirth of Ram Rajya. As Sri Valmiki states: "Let it be known for posterity. In Ram’s rule, Dharma Rules. No one will be sick, everyone will be well fed, and their desires are fulfilled. There will be no crimes and justice will prevail. Youngsters will perform their duties. The old will never be abandoned. The trees will bear fruit at the right time, the clouds will disperse rain at the right time. All types of people, Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras will perform their duties, without greed or sorrow. People will live by virtue and truth. May this Ram Rajya – this Dharma Rajya prevail for all generations to come.

Let people rejoice and remember as long as they do their natural duties, Dharma will prevail and wherever Dharma prevails, Ram will prevail."

Jai Sri Ram!

[chetak]

Shah Mahmood Qureshi 'deeply saddened' by timing of Ayodhya verdict coinciding with inauguration of Kartarpur Corridor

Shah Mahmood Qureshi 'deeply saddened' by timing of Ayodhya verdict coinciding with inauguration of Kartarpur Corridor

Nov 09, 2019


Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Saturday objected to the timing of the Ayodhya verdict, which coincides with the inauguration of the Kartarpur corridor.

He said that he was 'deeply saddened' at the 'insensitivity' shown at such a joyous occasion.

"Could it (verdict) not have waited a few days? I am deeply saddened at the insensitivity shown at such a joyous occasion,' Qureshi was quoted as saying by the DawnNewsTV.

Islamabad: Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Saturday objected to the timing of the Ayodhya verdict, which coincides with the inauguration of the Kartarpur corridor, saying he was "deeply saddened" at the "insensitivity" shown at such a joyous occasion.

Shah Mahmood Qureshi deeply saddened by timing of Ayodhya verdict coinciding with inauguration of Kartarpur Corridor

The Supreme Court in a unanimous verdict on Saturday cleared the way for the construction of a Ram Temple at the disputed site at Ayodhya, and directed the Centre to allot a 5-acre plot to the Sunni Waqf Board for building a mosque.

In one of the most important and most anticipated judgements in India's history, a 5-judge Constitution bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi put an end to the more than a century-old dispute that has torn the social fabric of the nation.

"Could it (verdict) not have waited a few days? I am deeply saddened at the insensitivity shown at such a joyous occasion," Qureshi was quoted as saying by the DawnNewsTV.

"You should have taken part in this happy occasion and not attempted to divert attention. The dispute is a sensitive issue and should not have been made part of this happy day," he said, referring to the opening of the much-awaited Kartarpur corridor, which links Gurdwara Darbar Sahib in Pakistan, the final resting place of Sikhism founder Guru Nanak Dev, to Dera Baba Nanak shrine in Punjab's Gurdaspur district.

The foreign minister said that Muslims are "already under a lot of pressure in India and this decision of the Indian court will further increase pressure on them".

Qureshi said Pakistan would issue its response after going over the judgement in detail.

Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Hussain termed the verdict as "shameful, disgusting, illegal and immoral."

Commenting on the judgment, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Information and Broadcasting Firdous Ashiq Awan said the Indian apex court has given the message that it is not independent, state-run Radio Pakistan reported.

She said Pakistan is guaranteeing the rights of minorities by opening the Kartarpur corridor but India, on the other hand, is subjecting minorities, including Muslims, to oppression.

[darshan]

Time to celebrate by donating to the cause. Any legit suggestions?