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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 17 Oct 2019 22:24

I think its wrong for legalistic approach to a matter of faith.
Especially the Supreme Cazis with their record of one sided judgments against Hindus under rubric of secular Constitution.
These Cazis have made a mockery of Constitutions and eroded a lot of support for it.

Whether SC rules or not I want Lok Sabha to pass a law to build the temple to reflect the will of the people.


Enough beating round the legal bush.

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Postby Rudradev » 17 Oct 2019 22:33

J Sai Deepak's comprehensive overview of the legalities surrounding the RJB dispute.

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Part 2:

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Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Oct 2019 22:39

this the buzz of secularism ....we've been high on it for 60+ years it will take a long long time to go and realize that we are on civilization war..

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Postby ShyamSP » 17 Oct 2019 23:11

ramana wrote:I think its wrong for legalistic approach to a matter of faith.
Especially the Supreme Cazis with their record of one sided judgments against Hindus under rubric of secular Constitution.
These Cazis have made a mockery of Constitutions and eroded a lot of support for it.

Whether SC rules or not I want Lok Sabha to pass a law to build the temple to reflect the will of the people.


Enough beating round the legal bush.


Exactly given how they randomly pulled denomination theories on Sabarimala judgment without honoring and consultation on religious interpretations. This has to be Government giving directions to Courts on how to solve such faith issues.

What exactly ruling the SC is giving?
Is it giving judgement on:
- Ram was born there or not at exact GPS/NAVIC location
- temple exist there
- right to worship there
- Permission to build temple
- solving land property rights dispute (court has some say here but whole temple issue is being reduced to silly land rights fight)
- Uphold high court decision

I shudder about the arguments proving that temple exists there. What if there were only simple pillars or basic Pratistha or no solid physical evidences, does it change the judge and people mind?

Regardless of court judgment, they have to build temple there. Enough of taking pseudo secular shit. Looking this as property land dispute is also an insult to Hindus.

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby Kaivalya » 17 Oct 2019 23:39

ramana wrote:I think its wrong for legalistic approach to a matter of faith.
Especially the Supreme Cazis with their record of one sided judgments against Hindus under rubric of secular Constitution.
These Cazis have made a mockery of Constitutions and eroded a lot of support for it.

Whether SC rules or not I want Lok Sabha to pass a law to build the temple to reflect the will of the people.


Enough beating round the legal bush.


+100 There seems to be a law passed on 1991(parliament) that forbids any challenges in court about conflicts like these. The sickulars have been at it much longer and have passed laws that have to be undone right away. The only way I came to know that such law exists is one of the terms proposed in the last minute mediation settlement that says something like " Makethe 1991 law water tight..etc." along with a list of other crazy demands that no one is/can be authorized to accept

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Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 18 Oct 2019 00:20

Yes it was passed right after Babri structure demolition as a CBM to Muslims by Rao Govt.

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Postby KJo » 18 Oct 2019 00:53

ramana wrote:I think its wrong for legalistic approach to a matter of faith.
Especially the Supreme Cazis with their record of one sided judgments against Hindus under rubric of secular Constitution.
These Cazis have made a mockery of Constitutions and eroded a lot of support for it.

Whether SC rules or not I want Lok Sabha to pass a law to build the temple to reflect the will of the people.


Enough beating round the legal bush.


Dr Swamy said something along those lines. He said that even if the Hindus lose the case, the Govt can acquire the land. But Govt wants to avoid doing that and prefers this route for now.

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Postby Prasad » 18 Oct 2019 11:07

Karthik S wrote:People from TN, is santhome really built on Kapaleeswarar temple? People are talking about it in twitter in the light of babri case.

Old bhakthi songs place the original temple on the seashore. Seashore temples aren't rare in TN or anywhere in India for that matter. Thiruchendhur and M'puram seashore temples are great examples. The current temple has an inscription in the entryway that portugese destroyed the original temple and some parts of it were used to construct the temple at its current location. 200+ years ago. Certainly fits the nature of the portugese who destroyed temples in goa.

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Postby Peregrine » 18 Oct 2019 15:20

Mods : My apologies if this a Double Post. Please Delate - TIA

Ayodhya case: Muslim parties express shock at reports that Sunni Waqf Board withdrawing claim – PTI

NEW DELHI: Muslim parties in the Ayodhya land dispute case on Friday issued a statement expressing shock over reports suggesting that the Sunni Waqf Board was withdrawing from the case.

Advocate Eijaz Maqbool, who represented key Muslim litigant M Siddiq in the Ayodhya land dispute, said all Muslim parties, except the Sunni Waqf Board, have rejected settlement as the main Hindu parties to the dispute were not part of the mediation process and its purported settlement.

The Muslim parties, except the Sunni Waqf Board, issued a clarificatory statement to say they don't accept the Supreme Court appointed mediation panel's proposal on the purported settlement to amicably resolve the Ram Janmabhoomi Babri Masjid land dispute.

On October 16, when a five judge Constitution bench headed by Chief Justice of India Ranjan Gogoi reserved its verdict in the case after 40-days of hearing, the mediation panel's report was also reportedly submitted to the court.

The three-member mediation panel is headed by former apex court judge Justice F M I Kalifulla.

According to sources close to the mediation panel, the report filed in a sealed cover is a "sort of a settlement" between the Hindu and the Muslim parties.

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Postby pankajs » 18 Oct 2019 16:19

Better that the court delivers a judgement rather than a compromise. A compromise will only mean Yindus giving away something for nothing.

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Postby chetak » 18 Oct 2019 16:52

the bile of the sub human lootyens pyjama patrakars and their BIF master's voice

one prominent parsi industrial house may be funding this ameriki gutter snipe


Siddharth Verified account @svaradarajan

Whatever the settlement or judgment, the SC must make it clear that the disputed land is a crime scene and until criminal proceedings are completed in the demolition case and appeals exhausted, no construction can take place there. 1/2





Siddharth Verified account @svaradarajan Oct 16

Second, the court—in the event that it clears the way for a temple at the site—must stipulate that no individual or organisation or affiliated organisation implicated in the crime of demolishing the Babri Masjid in 1992 can ever be a part of its construction or management. 2/2

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Postby chetak » 18 Oct 2019 17:12

pankajs wrote:Better that the court delivers a judgement rather than a compromise. A compromise will only mean Yindus giving away something for nothing.


it will also needlessly give rise to the myth or fallacy that the other side indeed had a claim and so a compromise had to be reached and compensation in some form awarded to the Ms to recognize that claim.

But I really wouldn't hold my breath, because, since time immemorial, the Hindu's have given away foolishly in negotiations what they had won fairly and squarely in battle.

this trait is also why the sunni's slyly came up with a last minute compromise "formula" that as per the sunnis is in everyone's favor, especially the country's favor and it will sow the seeds of national unity for the future. All the lying, cheating, falsification of evidence by "expert" congi/commie/naxal historians have gone in vain with very big name intellectuals stripped of all their credibility and shown to be confidence tricksters and charlatans for hire.

today, a lot of M organisations are speaking out against the sunni compromise tactic saying that they never endorsed it but yesterday they were all waiting with bated breath to see if the Hindu's took the bait and if such had been the case, there more conditionalities would have been added on to the generous compromise.

The actual demands of the Ms have not surfaced in the public domain as yet but some versions are circulating in the art of living circles because sri sri was part of the original negotiators group but sri sri himself has not spoken yet.

some inputs have leaked, likely from the hangers-on accompanying the interlocutors who have interacted with hangers-on of the interlocutors from the other parties.

Some pissed off negotiators have also, it seems, been talking.

suffice it to say, some of the demands may be very unpalatable.

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Postby Kaivalya » 18 Oct 2019 19:18

I heard amitshahji interview with Arnab G: when he said it is too late for mediation. No offense to Shri Shri's efforts or last minute drama.

Here is Sadhguru's weighed comments


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Postby manjgu » 18 Oct 2019 21:01

the only crime committed in ayodhya was the demolition of ram mandir irrespective when it happened... rest all is nonsense. all temples which were demolished by the islamists should be restored to temples coupled with apology from Muslims on the crimes committed by mughal invaders. Also the indian history should be rewritten to highlight the atrocities of the past.

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Postby Gagan » 18 Oct 2019 21:34

Kaivalya wrote:I heard amitshahji interview with Arnab G: when he said it is too late for mediation. No offense to Shri Shri's efforts or last minute drama.

Here is Sadhguru's weighed comments
[youtube] https://youtu.be/GXvXptJYse8 [/youtube]

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When you post youtube links only post the "GXvXptJYse8" part in the [youtube][/youtube] parenthesis

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Postby Ramu » 18 Oct 2019 22:19

chetak wrote:the bile of the sub human lootyens pyjama patrakars and their BIF master's voice

one prominent parsi industrial house may be funding this ameriki gutter snipe


Siddharth Verified account @svaradarajan

Whatever the settlement or judgment, the SC must make it clear that the disputed land is a crime scene and until criminal proceedings are completed in the demolition case and appeals exhausted, no construction can take place there. 1/2





Siddharth Verified account @svaradarajan Oct 16

Second, the court—in the event that it clears the way for a temple at the site—must stipulate that no individual or organisation or affiliated organisation implicated in the crime of demolishing the Babri Masjid in 1992 can ever be a part of its construction or management. 2/2


Talk about shooting your own foot. Yes it is a crime scene. Archeology proved it happened few hundred years ago. The decendants of the very same crime is currently disputing the ownership of the property.
With the very same logic, waqf boards should get roasted first.

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Postby Kaivalya » 18 Oct 2019 23:10

Gagan wrote:
Kaivalya wrote:I heard amitshahji interview with Arnab G: when he said it is too late for mediation. No offense to Shri Shri's efforts or last minute drama.

Here is Sadhguru's weighed comments
[youtube] https://youtu.be/GXvXptJYse8 [/youtube]

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When you post youtube links only post the "GXvXptJYse8" part in the [youtube][/youtube] parenthesis

Dhanyawaad


- dhanyawaad gaganji : will do going foward

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Postby Kaivalya » 18 Oct 2019 23:14

Prasad wrote:
Karthik S wrote:People from TN, is santhome really built on Kapaleeswarar temple? People are talking about it in twitter in the light of babri case.

Old bhakthi songs place the original temple on the seashore. Seashore temples aren't rare in TN or anywhere in India for that matter. Thiruchendhur and M'puram seashore temples are great examples. The current temple has an inscription in the entryway that portugese destroyed the original temple and some parts of it were used to construct the temple at its current location. 200+ years ago. Certainly fits the nature of the portugese who destroyed temples in goa.


+1 True regarding kapaleeswarar temple. Sad thing is Saint thomas never visited Chennai, but the myth continues till date about Santhome and St Thomas Mount.

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Postby chetak » 19 Oct 2019 01:59

Kaivalya wrote:
Gagan wrote:Kaivalya ji
When you post youtube links only post the "GXvXptJYse8" part in the [youtube][/youtube] parenthesis

Dhanyawaad


- dhanyawaad gaganji : will do going foward



it may be better to post both links because some devices may not be able to access the [youtube][/youtube] parenthesis link.

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Postby chetak » 19 Oct 2019 02:11

Kaivalya wrote:
Prasad wrote:Old bhakthi songs place the original temple on the seashore. Seashore temples aren't rare in TN or anywhere in India for that matter. Thiruchendhur and M'puram seashore temples are great examples. The current temple has an inscription in the entryway that portugese destroyed the original temple and some parts of it were used to construct the temple at its current location. 200+ years ago. Certainly fits the nature of the portugese who destroyed temples in goa.


+1 True regarding kapaleeswarar temple. Sad thing is Saint thomas never visited Chennai, but the myth continues till date about Santhome and St Thomas Mount.


even the pope said the same thing publicly but fanatic xtians in TN made him retract it. he said that "saint" thomas's grave was in rome. It looks like these old timer saints could transcend both time and space :wink:

that's how deep the conspiracy runs.

apparently the conversion mafia need to perpetuate this falsehood and its one of their trump cards that is used to fool the gullible.

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Postby UlanBatori » 19 Oct 2019 02:14

So this case is taking longer than a full MahaBharatha enactment starting with the Soorya vamsa origins. The Honnourabal Their Honours remind me of the Naranatha Bhranthan of Malloostani legend. Put outside the temple walls into the predator-infested jungle at nightfall, with a last meal of rice in a plantain leaf, NB, the Hero of Ulan Bator, proceeded to eat: one grain at a time, chewing through and through. The predators being far more civilized and etiquette-conscious than the citjenry, refrained from eating him until he was done eating. Bad form to attack someone who is eating.

As ramana says, only way is legislation. These worthies are never going to come out with a verdict that actually ends anything.

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Postby UlanBatori » 19 Oct 2019 02:16

Sad thing is Saint thomas never visited Chennai, but the myth continues till date about Santhome and St Thomas Mount.


I am SHOCKED :shock: at such ignorance of History.

As Rajeev Srinivasan pointed out years ago, St. Thomas' skeleton as a young man, is buried at St. Thomas Mount. His skeleton as an old man is buried in the catacombs (whatever that is) beneath the Vatican. Q.E.D. Please add that to your history knawlidj, shukriya!
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Case for Ram Mandir at Ayodhya - A talk by Dr. Meenakshi Jain


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[Q&A] Case for Ram Mandir at Ayodhya - A talk by Dr. Meenakshi Jain


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The Flight of Deities & The Battle for Rama and Ayodhya by Ms Meenakshi Jain on March.2017


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Postby chetak » 19 Oct 2019 10:40

UlanBatori wrote:
Sad thing is Saint thomas never visited Chennai, but the myth continues till date about Santhome and St Thomas Mount.


I am SHOCKED :shock: at such ignorance of History.

As Rajeev Srinivasan pointed out years ago, St. Thomas' skeleton as a young man, is buried at St. Thomas Mount. His skeleton as an old man is buried in the catacombs (whatever that is) beneath the Vatican. Q.E.D. Please add that to your history knawlidj, shukriya!
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Apologies, Great One.

This is the only true explanation.

All "miracles" are taken care of and his anointment as saint is truly justified.

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Postby Deans » 19 Oct 2019 10:57

chetak wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:
I am SHOCKED :shock: at such ignorance of History.

As Rajeev Srinivasan pointed out years ago, St. Thomas' skeleton as a young man, is buried at St. Thomas Mount. His skeleton as an old man is buried in the catacombs (whatever that is) beneath the Vatican. Q.E.D. Please add that to your history knawlidj, shukriya!
If snakes can "moult" why not conversionists, hain?


Apologies, Great One.

This is the only true explanation.

All "miracles" are taken care of and his anointment as saint is truly justified.


I only admire the Catholic church (I was born a member) for its ability to peddle utter bullshit to so many millions, for so many centuries. Its the ultimate marketing organisation.

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Postby pankajs » 19 Oct 2019 15:58

The Battle for Rama, A Case of the Temple at Ayodhya


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Postby chetak » 19 Oct 2019 16:43

Deans wrote:
chetak wrote:
Apologies, Great One.

This is the only true explanation.

All "miracles" are taken care of and his anointment as saint is truly justified.


I only admire the Catholic church (I was born a member) for its ability to peddle utter bullshit to so many millions, for so many centuries. Its the ultimate marketing organisation.


Deans garu,

the thomas story is local produce.

they locals need this to shore up their own self esteem.

After the vatican made its first and only denial, it has been prevailed upon to keep quiet.

The Catholic church is organized better than most advanced armies in the world and they function with ruthless efficiency, with unparalleled tactics, strategy and logistics because, after all, they have been around centuries longer than any of the armies could ever claim to be.

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Postby JE Menon » 19 Oct 2019 22:26

Re St. Thomas - Dude has (at least) three burial spots - Ortona, Italy, one in Greece and as per Indian Roman Catholics at least St. Thomas Mount. In Italy and in Greece, I believe they have the respective skeletons. In Chennai, I'm not sure. However, he was apparently "martyred" there. Don't ask for evidence and all that. That's only for superstitions like Ram Janmabhoomi...

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Postby sanjaykumar » 20 Oct 2019 00:01

The church had a long tradition of trading in relics. Perhaps the fellow is buried in multiple places.

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sanjaykumar wrote:The church had a long tradition of trading in relics. Perhaps the fellow is buried in multiple places.


Buddhist places have this tradition that so and so place has Buddha or prominent Buddhists' relics such has hair, tooth. Westerns like Indians have traditions of spreading ashes however, it is less likely burials carry such tradition as burying at multiple places. Storing a relic is different from burying.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 20 Oct 2019 07:56

That was meant to be caustic. I will work on my satire saar.

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sanjaykumar wrote:That was meant to be caustic. I will work on my satire saar.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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ShyamSP wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:The church had a long tradition of trading in relics. Perhaps the fellow is buried in multiple places.


Buddhist places have this tradition that so and so place has Buddha or prominent Buddhists' relics such has hair, tooth. Westerns like Indians have traditions of spreading ashes however, it is less likely burials carry such tradition as burying at multiple places. Storing a relic is different from burying.

The problem is hiding barbarism under vague notions ie destroy and build on traditions sacred to others and hide that under something - whichever Buddhists had any similar tradition to relocate relics has nothing to do with.

Tomorrow can it be allowed to have some Chinese communist willing to die only over there somewhere, will it be allowed? Guess the answer is no even if such a thing would ever occur.

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Postby Deans » 20 Oct 2019 19:25

sanjaykumar wrote:The church had a long tradition of trading in relics. Perhaps the fellow is buried in multiple places.


Many of the disciples are `buried' or have body parts, in multiple places. There is for e.g a major pilgrimage route (Camino di Santaigo) to worship the site of alleged relics that serious studies show no evidence of. Having made an effort to study the provenance of some of the legends concerning my religion - let's just say there is more evidence of Ram Janmbhoomi at the claimed spot.
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Postby Deans » 20 Oct 2019 19:32

chetak wrote:
The Catholic church is organized better than most advanced armies in the world and they function with ruthless efficiency, with unparalleled tactics, strategy and logistics because, after all, they have been around centuries longer than any of the armies could ever claim to be.


The Vatican was a state with an army, until as late as the unification of Italy in 1871. Many popes were better generals than they were spiritual leaders.
The church was the most powerful organisation in Europe from approx the 11th century (deriving its power from a series of forged documents) which is when they split from the Eastern (Orthodox) church, that did not seek political power. It was only after the 30 year war in the 17th century that the church's power, relative to the state, declined, though as a sop western rulers allowed them to go the newly conquered colonies and convert the heathens.

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Postby pankajs » 20 Oct 2019 22:09

Pic of the letter attached in the tweet.

https://twitter.com/utkarsh_aanand/stat ... 6675765249
Utkarsh Anand @utkarsh_aanand

After the #Hindu side objected to their note in a sealed cover envelope, #Muslim parties make their final note public in #AyodhyaCase. They have reminded the #SupremeCourt the #AyodhyaVerdict will impact future generations, polity & thus SC's final order must consider all this.

Bell ... the SC should be ruthlessly go by the material in-front of them. Any leniency has to come from the Yindus and not the court. The SC cannot barter away the rights of the Yindus for some "airy faily" monkey balancing.

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Postby chetak » 20 Oct 2019 23:16

Deans wrote:
chetak wrote:
The Catholic church is organized better than most advanced armies in the world and they function with ruthless efficiency, with unparalleled tactics, strategy and logistics because, after all, they have been around centuries longer than any of the armies could ever claim to be.


The Vatican was a state with an army, until as late as the unification of Italy in 1871. Many popes were better generals than they were spiritual leaders.
The church was the most powerful organisation in Europe from approx the 11th century (deriving its power from a series of forged documents) which is when they split from the Eastern (Orthodox) church, that did not seek political power. It was only after the 30 year war in the 17th century that the church's power, relative to the state, declined, though as a sop western rulers allowed them to go the newly conquered colonies and convert the heathens.


Thanks saar.

will read up on the points that you have raised.

much obliged for the inputs.

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Postby Prem Kumar » 20 Oct 2019 23:53

Putting my CT hat on, I suspect that the timing of Kamalesh Tiwari's murder was setup to coincide with Ram Janmabhoomi verdict. A message has been sent to the judges.


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