Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby chetak » 01 Aug 2011 06:58

SwamyG wrote:I would not slam amma for her stance on SL tamilian issues. I agree she could be doing this for voting patterns, but GoSL is being given a clean escape and overlooked for all the heinous crimes against humanity. I am glad she is doing something/



SwamyG saab,

We have skeletons in our own closets.

Something is bound to come back and it will just give great leverage to our friends from the west.

WE should lie low and wait for others to take the lead on this one.

I dont hold the view that India should commit hara kiri for the sake of it's diaspora.

If they have willingly left apna mahan bharath, they should learn to swim on their own.

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby chetak » 01 Aug 2011 13:40

Bell and Marconi

Dominated by the members of the ruling UPA, the Joint Parliamentary Committee (JPC) , probing the 2G scam is going extra mile to drag BJP members in the controversy by digging up the past. Every telecom ministers who held the post in the last 15 years as well as government officials and finance ministers are likely to be summoned in an exercise whose thrust is to dilute the culpability of the present crop of leaders in the scam. The way the JPC is going about it, they may end up indicting Alexander Graham Bell for inventing telephone and Marconi for the first use of spectrum. 8)

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby SwamyG » 01 Aug 2011 17:13

chetak wrote:If they have willingly left apna mahan bharath, they should learn to swim on their own.

Do you know the history of SL? :cry:
Last OT post on this one. We can take this to SL dhaaga.

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Postby ramana » 02 Aug 2011 21:54

There is thought of using the Public Interest laws in US to obtain information on funding of foreign/desi students in US utys.

How and who are funded in US utys? Quite few skeletons are expected to drop.

US foundations are by law required to keep track of who they fund in order to keep their tax status.

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby ramana » 04 Aug 2011 00:46

Trail of Illicit Funds

Details govt inaction in the issue.

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Postby joshvajohn » 05 Aug 2011 02:35

Govt gets new black money data
http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/g ... 17540.html

Govt in denial over $2.5bn Indian dirty money in Swiss banks
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... parliament

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Postby ramana » 05 Aug 2011 03:03

Looks like a major transition is underway in INC.

Telegraph, Kolkata which is a INC a big time supporter on Front Page says:

Unwell Sonia signals transition

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Postby Sanku » 05 Aug 2011 13:09

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4380623.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/SC-slams-Delhi-p ... 380622.cms

SC slams Delhi police on cash for votes scam

A bench of justices Aftab Alam and R M Lodha also regretted that a middleman of the "cheapest kind" was allowed to derail Parliamentary proceedings. "It is a half-hearted attempt by you (Delhi police). You must take it to the logical conclusion," the bench said after perusing the preliminary report of Delhi Police which had claimed that no political leader was involved in the 2008 scam.


Well IMVHO, a pretty cheap middle man has been debasing the parliament for quite some time now.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 09 Aug 2011 17:49

A must must must watch video:

[youtube]C4FXqU8XY0A&feature=player_embedded#at=205205[/youtube]

A must must must read:

http://www.iretireearly.com/sonia-gandhi-and-congress-secret-billions-exposed.html

What was Rajiv Gandhi’s fatal error in politics? It does not need a seer to say that it was his claim to honesty — branding himself as ‘Mr Clean’ — that proved fatal to him. Indira Gandhi was his contrast. Asked about corruption in her government, she said nonchalantly, ‘it was a global phenomenon’. This was in 1983. An honest Delhi High Court judge even lamented how could corruption be controlled when someone holding such a high position had almost rationalised it. The result, no one could ever charge Indira Gandhi with corruption, because she never claimed to be clean. But, ambitious to look ideal, Rajiv proclaimed honesty and so provoked scrutiny; in contrast, Indira, opting to be practical, immunised herself against scrutiny. Eventually, Rajiv’s claim to honesty became the very cross on which he was crucified in the 1989 elections when the Bofors gun shot the Congress out of power. The lesson to the political class was: don’t claim to be honest, if you really are not so. The hard lesson seems forgotten now by the Gandhi family itself. Sonia Gandhi, instead of following Indira’s safe path, is wrongly caught on Rajiv’s risky steps. The consequences seem to be ominous. Will the politics of 1987 to 1989 repeat?

Following Rajiv and forgetting Indira, Sonia Gandhi proclaimed ‘zero tolerance’ to corruption at a party rally in Allahabad in November 2010. She repeated it at the Congress plenary in Delhi weeks later. Asking the cadre to take the corrupt head on, she said that her party was ‘prompt’ in acting against the corrupt; ‘never spared the corrupt’ because corruption impedes development’. This was almost how Rajiv Gandhi spoke in the Congress centenary in Mumbai 25 years ago. Two crucial differences marked Rajiv away from Sonia. First, when Rajiv claimed to be ‘Mr Clean’, he had no scams to defend against. But, Sonia claims to be honest amidst huge and continuing scams — CWG, Adarsh, 2G Spectrum allocation scam…. Next, Rajiv had a clean slate to begin with, with no known skeletons in his cupboard till the Bofors scam smashed his ‘Mr Clean’ image. In contrast, Sonia’s slate is full of credible exposures of bribes and pay-offs in billions of dollars secreted in Swiss bank accounts, not counting Quattrocchi’s millions from Bofors. To make it worse, for almost two decades now, she has not dared to deny the exposures or sue the famous Swiss magazine or the Russian investigative journalist who had put out evidence of bribe against the Sonia family. Seen against this background, Sonia’s vow to act against the corrupt seems like a suspect hooting ‘catch the thief’ and scooting away. This is the main story that unfolds here.

$2.2 billions to 11 billions!

A stunning exposure on Sonia Gandhi’s secret billions in Swiss banks came, surprisingly, from Switzerland itself, where the world’s corrupt stash away their booty. In its issue of November 19, 1991, Schweizer Illustrierte, the most popular magazine of Switzerland, did an exposé of over a dozen politicians of the third world, including Rajiv Gandhi, who had stashed away their bribe monies in Swiss banks. Schweizer Illustrierte, not a rag, sells some 2,15,000 copies and has a readership of 9,17,000 — almost a sixth of Swiss adult population. Citing the newly opened KGB records, the magazine reported ‘that Sonia Gandhi the widow of the former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was controlling secret account with 2.5 billion Swiss Francs (equal to $2.2 billion) in her minor son’s name’. The $2.2 billion account must have existed from before June 1988 when Rahul Gandhi attained majority. The loot in today’s rupee value equals almost Rs 10,000 crore. Swiss banks invest and multiply the clients’ monies, not keep them buried. Had it been invested in safe long-term securities, the $.2.2 billion bribe would have multiplied to $9.41 billion (Rs 42,345 crore) by 2009. If it had been put in US stocks, it would have swelled to $12.97 billion (Rs 58,365 crore). If, as most likely, it were invested in long-term bonds and stocks as 50:50, it would have grown to $11.19 billion (Rs 50,355 crore). Before the global financial meltdown in 2008, the $2.2 billion bribes in stocks would have peaked at $18.66 billion (Rs 83,900 crore). By any calculation the present size of the $2.2 billion secret funds of the family in Swiss banks seems huge — anywhere between Rs 43,000 plus to some Rs 84,000 crore!

KGB papers

The second exposé, emanating from the archives of the Russian spy outfit KGB, is far more serious. It says that the Gandhi family has accepted political pay-offs from the KGB — a clear case of treason besides bribe. In her book The State Within a State: The KGB and its Hold on Russia-Past, Present, and Future, Yevgenia Albats, an acclaimed investigative journalist, says: “A letter signed by Victor Chebrikov, who replaced Andropov as the KGB head in 1982 noted: ‘the USSR KGB maintains contact with the son of the Premier Minister Rajiv Gandhi (of India). R Gandhi expresses deep gratitude for the benefits accruing to the Prime Minister’s family from the commercial dealings of the firm he controls in co-operation with the Soviet foreign trade organisations. R Gandhi reports confidentially that a substantial portion of the funds obtained through this channel are used to support the party of R Gandhi’.” (p.223). Albats has also disclosed that, in December 2005, KGB chief Victor Chebrikov had asked for authorisation from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, “to make payments in US dollars to the family members of Rajiv Gandhi, namely Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and Ms Paola Maino, mother of Sonia Gandhi.” And even before Albats’ book came out the Russian media had leaked out the details of the pay-offs. Based on the leaks, on July 4, 1992, The Hindu had reported: “the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service admits the possibility that the KGB could have been involved in arranging profitable Soviet contract for the company controlled by Rajiv Gandhi family”.

Indian media

Rajiv Gandhi’s sad demise delayed the Swiss and Russian exposé on Sonia being picked up here. But Indian media’s interest in it actually coincided with Sonia Gandhi assuming leadership of the Congress. A G Noorani, a well-known columnist, had reported on both Schweizer Illustrierte and Albats’ exposés in Statesman (December 31, 1988). Subramanian Swamy had put out the photocopies of the pages of Schweizer Illustrierte and Albats’ book in his website along with the mail of the Swiss magazine dated February 23, 2002 confirming that in its article of November 1991 it had named Rajiv Gandhi with a total of Swiss Franc 2.5 billion ($2.2 billion) in secret account; it had also offered to supply a original copy of the magazine to Swamy. (See: http://www.janataparty.org/annexures/ann10p43.html) These facts were again recalled in my article in The New Indian Express (April 29, 2009) written in response to Sonia Gandhi speech at Mangalore (April 27, 2009) declaring that, “the Congress was taking steps to address the issue of untaxed Indian money in Swiss banks”. The article had questioned her about her family’s corrupt wealth in Swiss banks in the context of her vow to bring back the monies stashed away abroad. Rajinder Puri, a reputed journalist, has also earlier written on the KGB disclosures in his column on August 15, 2006. Recently, in India Today (December 27, 2010) the redoubtable Ram Jethmalani has referred to the Swiss exposé, asking where is that money now? So the Indian media too has repeatedly published the details of the secret billions of the Gandhi family investigated by the Swiss and Russian journalists. Amal Datta (CPI(M)) had raised the $2.2 billion issue in Parliament on December 7, 1991, but Speaker Shivraj Patil expunged the Gandhi name from the proceedings!

Self-incriminating

But, what has been the response of Sonia or Rahul, major after June 1988, to the investigation by Schweizer Illustrierte and Albats and to the Indian media’s repeated references to their investigation? It can be summed up in one word: Silence. Thus, apart from the exposés, the deafening silence of the Gandhis itself constitutes the most damaging and self-incriminating evidence of the family’s guilt. When Schweizer Illustrierte alleged that Sonia had held Rajiv Gandhi’s bribes in Rahul’s name in Swiss banks, neither she nor the son, protested, or sued the magazine, then or later; nor did they sue A G Noorani or Statesman when they repeated it in 1998, or later; nor would they sue Subramanian Swamy when he put it on his website in 2002; neither did they sue me, or the Express when the article was carried in April 2009. When major papers, The Hindu and The Times of India included, had carried the expose on KGB payments in the year 1992 itself adding that the Russian government was embarrassed by the disclosures, neither of the Gandhis challenged or sued them; nor did they sue Yevgenia Albats when she wrote about KGB payments to Rajiv Gandhi in 1994. Neither did they act against Swamy when he put Albats’ book pages on his website or when Rajinder Puri, a well-known journalist, wrote about it in his column on August 15, 2006. However, a feeble but proxy suit was filed by Sonia loyalists to defend her reputation when Albats’ exposé was made part of the full-page advertisement in The New York Times in 2007 issued by some NRIs to ‘unmask’ Sonia to the US audience, as they claimed. The suit was promptly dismissed by a US court because Sonia herself did not dare file the suit. Shockingly even that suit did not challenge the $2.2 billion Swiss account at all!

Imagine that the report in Schweizer Illustrierte or in Albats book was false and Sonia Gandhi did not have those billions in secret accounts in Rahul Gandhi’s name or the family was not paid for its service to the KGB as alleged. How would they, as honest and outraged people, have reacted? Like how Morarji Desai, then retired and old at 87, responded in anger when, Seymour Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist, had mentioned in his book that Morarji Desai was a ‘paid’ CIA mole in the Indian Cabinet. Morarji Desai forthwith filed a libel suit. Commenting in The American Spectator, Rael Jean Isaac wrote in 2004, five years after Morarji Desai had passed away, that Hersh habitually indulged in character assassination; and in his attempt to do down Henry Kissinger, Morarji Desai became the victim. Isaac added that Desai, 87, calling it a “sheer mad story”, reacted in outrage with a libel suit seeking $50 million in damages. When the suit came up, as Desai, 93, was too ill to travel to US, Kissinger testified on Desai’s behalf, flatly contradicted Hersh’s charge and stated that Desai had no connection to the CIA. That is how even retired and old persons, honest and so offended and outraged, would act. But see the self-incriminating contrast, the complete absence of such outrage, in Sonia, who is reigning as the chairperson of the UPA now, neither retired or tired like the nonagenarian Morarji Desai, being just 41 when the story broke out in Schweizer Illustrierte. Imagine, not Sonia or Rahul, but Advani or Modi had figured in the exposés of Schweizer Illustrierte or Albats. What would the media not have done to nail them? What would the government of Sonia not have done to fix them?

Rs 20.80 lakh-crore loot

The billions of the Gandhi family being both bribes and monies stashed away in Swiss banks, they are inextricably linked to the larger issue of bringing back the huge national wealth stashed abroad. All world nations, except India, are mad after their black wealth secreted in Swiss and like banks. But India has shown little enthusiasm to track the illicit funds of Indians in Swiss and other banks. Why such reticence?

When during the run-up to the 2009 Lok Sabha elections, the BJP leader L K Advani promised to bringing back, if voted to power, Indian monies estimated between $500 billion and $1.4 trillion stashed abroad, the Congress first denied that there was such Indian money outside. But when the issue began gathering momentum, Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi had to do damage control and promise that the Congress too would bring back the national wealth secreted abroad. Global Financial Integrity (GFI), a non-profit institution working against global black funds, has recently estimated that the Indian wealth secreted away is about $462 billion, approximately equal to Rs 20.80 lakh-crore. The GFI says that more than two-thirds of it was looted away under the liberalisation regime. This is what the GFI says about the character of the loot: “From 1948 through 2008, India lost a total of $213 billion in illicit financial flows (or illegal capital flight)” through “tax evasion, corruption, bribery and kickbacks, and criminal activities”. Does one need a seer to say under what head would the $2.2 billion in Sonia family’s secret account (which would have grown to $9 to $13 billion by now) fall? But accretions, if any, from the loot in 2G and CWG where the numbers are even bigger are not still accounted. Now comes the more critical, yet practical issue. When the Sonia Gandhi family is among the suspects who have secreted away monies abroad, how will it affect the efforts to bring back the wealth stashed away by others?

Looters safe

Just a couple of examples will demonstrate how the government is unwilling to go after Indian money secreted abroad. As early as February 2008 the German authorities had collected information about illegal money kept by citizens of different countries in Lichtenstein bank. The German finance minister offered to provide the names of the account holders to any government interested in the names of its citizens. There were media reports that some 250 Indian names were found in the Lichtenstein Bank list. Yet, despite the open offer from Germany to provide the details, the UPA-II government has never showed interest in the Indian accounts in Lichtenstein Bank. The Times of India reported that “the ministry of finance and PMO have, however, not shown much interest in finding out about those who have their lockers on the secret banks of Liechtenstein which prides itself in its banking system”. But under mounting pressure the Indian government asked for details not under the open offer but strategically under India’s tax treaty with Germany. What is the difference? Under the tax treaty the information received would have to be kept confidential; but, if it were received openly, it can be disclosed to the public. Is any further evidence needed to prove that the government is keen to see that the names of Indians who had secreted monies abroad are not disclosed?

The second is the sensational case of Hasan Ali, the alleged horse-breeder of Pune, who was found to have operated Swiss accounts involving over Rs 1.5 lakh-crore. The income tax department has levied a tax of Rs 71,848 crore on him for concealing Indian income secreted in Swiss accounts. This case is being buried now. The request sent to the Swiss government was deliberately made faulty to ensure that the Swiss would not provide details. Some big names in the ruling circles are reportedly linked to Hasan Ali. That explains why the government would not deepen the probe. It is Hasan Alis and the like who transport through hawala the bribes of the corrupt from India. If Hasan Ali is exposed, the corrupt will stand naked. This is how the hawala trader and the corrupt in India are mixed-up.

Is it too much to conclude that thanks to Sonia family’s suspected billions in Swiss accounts the system cannot freely probe the $462 billion looted from India at all? Tail-pieces: The total wealth of both Gandhis, as per their election returns, is just Rs 363 lakh, Sonia owning no car. Sonia lamented on November 19, 2010, that graft and greed are on the rise in India!! Rahul said on December 19, 2010, that severe punishment should be given to the corrupt!!! Amen.

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby ramana » 09 Aug 2011 19:58

What was Rajiv Gandhi’s fatal error in politics? It does not need a seer to say that it was his claim to honesty — branding himself as ‘Mr Clean’ — that proved fatal to him.


On the contrary the fatal error was to loot on personal account. Since JLN's Mundra scandal, Jeep scandal, Teja scandal, Mrs G's SBI Malhotra scandal etc it was well known and understood that they collected money/funds for party purposes and did not gain even one naya or purana paise for themselves. Rajiv Gandhi started the trend of taking the funds (the Bofors' scam) and putting into personal account. His actions separated the family from the party. The slogan
India is Indira and Indira is India" was no longer true. VP Singh was able to rouse the people when they realized this in mid 80s.

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Postby svinayak » 10 Aug 2011 03:41

How 2G scam has also Pak and PRC involved inside India

Public Talk Dr Swamy on 2G Corruption part 1 of 3

Check 18-15min about those companies




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Postby negi » 10 Aug 2011 05:24

[youtube]Q7_zr4O6ooM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

:mrgreen:

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Postby Aditya_V » 10 Aug 2011 20:45

pandyan wrote:According to Swamy, breakdown of 60,000 Crore loot.
King - 3K
Artist - 16K
Evil Yindoos Law enforcement Appisar - 5K
Queen - 36K


and heir apparent and recently coveted to most popular to be PM, sure he would have demanded a seprate cut.

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Postby ramana » 10 Aug 2011 20:46

Any updates on Rajmata aka 1G's health in US?

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Postby sum » 10 Aug 2011 21:01

^^ Truely amazed as to how superbly the G-khandaan have the media in control...just one sentence from INC about 1G being in US for "undisclosed surgery" and the entire "investigative" media just goes blank as if this never happened.

Any other leader and tons of hit pieces would have been doing the rounds!!

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Postby vera_k » 10 Aug 2011 21:04

If it is a ploy, then the plot was lost somewhere between the CWG report and Sheila Dikshit's continuance in office.

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Postby negi » 11 Aug 2011 07:49

sum wrote:^^ Truely amazed as to how superbly the G-khandaan have the media in control...just one sentence from INC about 1G being in US for "undisclosed surgery" and the entire "investigative" media just goes blank as if this never happened.

Blame it on Indicness; the same argument was used to cover up Bofors scam, remember how after Rajiv Gandhi's death the entire investigation was stalled because the entire country was somehow emotionally blackmailed as to how insensitive it is to charge someone who is already dead.

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Postby Aditya_V » 11 Aug 2011 10:50

negi wrote:
sum wrote:^^ Truely amazed as to how superbly the G-khandaan have the media in control...just one sentence from INC about 1G being in US for "undisclosed surgery" and the entire "investigative" media just goes blank as if this never happened.

Blame it on Indicness; the same argument was used to cover up Bofors scam, remember how after Rajiv Gandhi's death the entire investigation was stalled because the entire country was somehow emotionally blackmailed as to how insensitive it is to charge someone who is already dead.


Whats suprising, G-khandaan have the deepest pockets and greatest influence. Any person involved in writing Textbooks for Education(NAC- JNU types), Producing Movies(Vishal Bhardwaj, Mahesh Bhatt) or Media(details aldready known) have to toe thier line, why even the latests Census 2011 report online is full of thier ideology and political thoughts.

If you are someone with incredeble power, wont the first thing you control be all forms of mass media?

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Postby shyamd » 11 Aug 2011 14:56

SSwamy had tweeted yesterday that "phone records show that Sonia is calling up her sisters and trying to arrest SSwamy on arrival in India". Seriously how does a person in the US get access to phone records of international calls from the US to Italy etc???

This guy is either lieing or the US is using him as a pawn against war with Sonia. So Sonia may be in the US just to resolve all this with the US. Who knows...

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Postby Philip » 11 Aug 2011 15:46

It is quite clear from the current CAG report,that Kalmadi had a "godfather" in MMS.Whether he also had a "godmother" in SG is a moot point,but the paper trail leads directly to the desk of the snake-oil peddlar,the good Dr.Scam.

If a mere fraction of the loot of our political classes is returned to India,or flushed out and into the coffers of the country,the stock market would dazzle and many a woe of the poor Indian peasant would be alleviated.If the alleged amount of the Gandhi loot is that great,SG could easilty weild a sterner stick with which to keep her greedy ministers fed with fewer chunks of cake.

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Postby Jarita » 12 Aug 2011 19:19

shyamd wrote:SSwamy had tweeted yesterday that "phone records show that Sonia is calling up her sisters and trying to arrest SSwamy on arrival in India". Seriously how does a person in the US get access to phone records of international calls from the US to Italy etc???

This guy is either lieing or the US is using him as a pawn against war with Sonia. So Sonia may be in the US just to resolve all this with the US. Who knows...



I would give Swamy the benefit of the doubt in this case. You never know where he has access from but there is no doubt that something is very wrong in the Maino camp.

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Postby RamaY » 12 Aug 2011 19:32

shyamd wrote:SSwamy had tweeted yesterday that "phone records show that Sonia is calling up her sisters and trying to arrest SSwamy on arrival in India". Seriously how does a person in the US get access to phone records of international calls from the US to Italy etc???

This guy is either lieing or the US is using him as a pawn against war with Sonia. So Sonia may be in the US just to resolve all this with the US. Who knows...


He is a leader and have connections. So shouldn't he be in the "trusted" group that you described in another thread?

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Postby vera_k » 12 Aug 2011 20:20

Hard to say where he's getting his information from. Might be an intelligence agency, although in India sympathetic state governments could tap communications for him. What is instructive is that Swamy doesn't get sued for defamation, although he's been making allegations against the Gandhis for a long time now.

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Postby shyamd » 12 Aug 2011 20:32

RamaY wrote:He is a leader and have connections. So shouldn't he be in the "trusted" group that you described in another thread?

He might have been in the trusted group if he was given a ministerial portfolio or part of the govt. Surely you would have realised that. And FYI, the trusted group don't always involve every high level politician, mostly babu's.

Anyway, at least he is going after the corrupt but the problem is, his connections are unlikely to be from India as they would have been removed/threatened/killed amongst other things.

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Postby Venkarl » 12 Aug 2011 23:21

He could be a mouth piece too. of whom is the question to ponder?

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Postby gakakkad » 13 Aug 2011 17:15

sorry if repost. STORY OF RAABERT VADRA. --


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Postby Jarita » 14 Aug 2011 22:59

Wow SSwamy is pretty out there now. See his recent interview with Karan Thapar. He actually mentions the SG word on mainstream TV
http://ibnlive.in.com/#hp_player2

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby Murugan » 16 Aug 2011 14:23

Supreme court stays release of Hasan Ali on Bail (At least Till Thursday)

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 620822.cms

The court passed the order on a petition filed by the Enforcement Directorate challenging the high court's order granting bail to Khan, who has been accused in various money laundering cases.

"Let the matter be listed on Thursday. In the meantime, order of Bombay High Court of August 12 on bail shall not be given effect to," the bench said.

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby chetak » 16 Aug 2011 18:48

vera_k wrote:Hard to say where he's getting his information from. Might be an intelligence agency, although in India sympathetic state governments could tap communications for him. What is instructive is that Swamy doesn't get sued for defamation, although he's been making allegations against the Gandhis for a long time now.



Why not info directly from concerned or rival embassies?

Many likd to fish in troubled waters onlee

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby gakakkad » 16 Aug 2011 18:57

This guy is either lieing or the US is using him as a pawn against war with Sonia. So Sonia may be in the US just to resolve all this with the US. Who knows...


Why would unkil be against Maino? I mean she can be bought off pretty easily. By having appointed Harsh mandar in NAC she has show that she is anit-national. And SS's discourse had little impact till recently.Prominently the 2g scam exposure...Why would unkil be interested in making Yindia scam free?

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2011 18:58

Is SG really in New York or even that is a red herring?

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby gakakkad » 16 Aug 2011 18:59

ramana wrote:Is SG really in New York or even that is a red herring?



She is not in any NY hospital. that much I can assure you.

SHE is 400% NOT IN SLOAN kettering. My uncle worked there once . He asked his colleagues. They are sure she is not there.
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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2011 19:02

Well then on the East coast at all?

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Postby gakakkad » 16 Aug 2011 19:07

ramana wrote:Well then on the East coast at all?


Don't know about that but my uncle asked all NYC and new york metropolitan area hospitals where a wealthy person could enter. She surely will not get treated in a place like Harlem or Nassau which is for super poor.

I mean all medical facilities are available in India. And surgeons in India often have better training than Americans (more patient exposure in residency) . Even MMS got treated in India. So logically I can conclude that she will not leave India for medical treatment . It is surely some other kind of operation. I mean even here diagnosis is hidden. Most of the time world leaders would reveal what they suffer from.

ADDED LATER- I Saw the press conference that congi's gave. It is surely rubbish. They say that she suffered from lung infection in 2008 which was cured , but now she needs a surgery due to recurrence . This is out of congis musharraf. I cannot think medical condition whose description matches with this. A lung infection could usually be simple pneumonia . Which can be cured by antibiotics. Apart from lung abscess , no other for of lung infection can possibly need surgery . And she surely does not seems to have lung abscess. She would be too debilitated it she had this .
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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby chetak » 16 Aug 2011 19:07

gakakkad wrote:
This guy is either lieing or the US is using him as a pawn against war with Sonia. So Sonia may be in the US just to resolve all this with the US. Who knows...


Why would unkil be against Maino? I mean she can be bought off pretty easily. By having appointed Harsh mandar in NAC she has show that she is anit-national. And SS's discourse had little impact till recently.Prominently the 2g scam exposure...Why would unkil be interested in making Yindia scam free?



The Boeing C-17 deal has to have generated mucho dinero.

The rapid upward escalation of the numbers ordered is fishy.

Don't be fooled by the foreigh military sales pitch.

There are only so few at the top who can swing this type of a deal.

This cannot exclude..........., seeing the power setup.

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby gakakkad » 16 Aug 2011 19:10

^^^ they can buy maino . why get subu swamy to harass her ?
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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby chetak » 16 Aug 2011 19:13

gakakkad wrote:^^^ they can by maino . why get subu swamy to harass her ?



SS is currently in shotgun mode.

He's just blasting away.

Wait till he gets to target rifle mode :)

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby gakakkad » 16 Aug 2011 19:18

whatever, we need Maino out . If maino is ousted congress would shatter , similar to after PVN term was over congis split into several parties . Than we will not have any wahabiphile political parties of significance. This is good. So what if it is an unintended consequence of khan intervention.

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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby shyamd » 16 Aug 2011 19:36

gakakkad, MRCA didnt go to US - they were expecting that and when they found out that the decision wasn't made they were escalating via the media. There is more to it than that, I'm just trying to remember the precise issues, but MRCA was definitely one of them. Basically the US expected some things, didn't get it. The Gandhi's have been playing everyone (CIA, Russki's etc) off against each other for money for decades. This is a continuation thats all.

She probably has her own problems and her own issues on blindly supporting US interests.
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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

Postby chetak » 16 Aug 2011 19:37

gakakkad wrote:whatever, we need Maino out . If maino is ousted congress would shatter , similar to after PVN term was over congis split into several parties . Than we will not have any wahabiphile political parties of significance. This is good. So what if it is an unintended consequence of khan intervention.



Then the TINA factor will shift to the right ragtag coalition.

You are right about one thing though, with the maino gang out, the kangress as we know it

will shatter into regional pieces with local satraps jostling to lead and sickular minorities all

seeking their "legitimate" place under the sun.

Expect a lot of beards to flap in the breeze. :)


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