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partha wrote:Why is Hindu releasing docs one at a time? Why not dump everything in one shot?
They have an agenda and they are acting accordingly.
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sum wrote:‘No doubt that attackers were Pakistani'
While some influential Pakistanis believed that “south Indian” men had carried out the Mumbai attacks and lashed out at India for blaming Pakistan, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif seemed to have no doubts right at the beginning that the attackers were Pakistani.

A cable ( 181951: confidential) sent by Acting Principal Officer Clinton Taylor of the U.S. Consulate in Lahore on December 9, 2008, describes how the Pakistan Muslim League (N) leader told a visiting delegation of U.S. Senators John McCain and Lindsay Graham that he had listened to the phone call made by one of the attackers to an Indian TV channel, and even though the individual claimed he was Indian, he had heard a Pakistani accent.

At that December 6 meeting, Mr. Sharif showed none of the ambivalence about the origin of the attackers that he later resorted to in keeping with the mood of denial in Pakistan.

“The people involved were from this country — I am convinced,” Mr. Sharif is quoted as saying. “We must take strictest action against those elements.” Once India produced concrete evidence, “we should proceed whole hog,” he declared.

In doing so, Mr. Sharif was perhaps also trying to clear the U.S. perception of him as a politician with links to Islamists, and therefore not a trustworthy partner in the “war on terror.”

This is the same Mr Sharif, who claimed that he did not know about kargil incursions. Who claimed that he had not given the go ahead for the same. This admission seems to be an attempt to get refurbish ones image and ditch the tag of Right-Wing Islamic leanings. He goes on and on about his peace attempts with India glossing over his other nefarious activities. A man is not judged on his words, but by his actions. And Mr Sharif has lot of explaining to do regarding his actions.
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SSridhar wrote:
partha wrote:Why is Hindu releasing docs one at a time? Why not dump everything in one shot?
They have an agenda and they are acting accordingly.
Folks; once again, its nothing very complicated. The first 5 years of UPA went smoothly because the ELM is essentially a leftist handmaiden.

With the leftist inside congress and formal Left in a solid alliance, nothing happened. Now they have fallen out, the radioative steam is rushing out from the stricken reactor breaches.

Congress overreached in trying to serve US, and is now payback time by the left.

Nevertheless, good for us. It is essentially the system of multiple power blocs which add the checks and balances to keep Indian powers from doing a wrong thing.

Otherwise decisions like promise to install 10,000 W from US using highly questionable technology are taken.
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Christopher Sidor wrote:This is the same Mr Sharif, who claimed that he did not know about Kargil incursions. Who claimed that he had not given the go ahead for the same. . . .
Christopher, all Pakistani leaders always talk with a forked tongue. Examples are aplenty
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We, The Mere Indians

B. Raman

As I read the various cables leaked in different countries, what strikes me is the frankness and lack of inhibition with which our political leaders and bureaucrats discuss sensitive matters of state policy with US diplomats. They confide in US diplomats sensitive things that they never confide in the Indian public or parliament. There is much greater transparency during their interactions with US diplomats than during their interactions with Indian political leaders, media personnel and public. A typical example is the discussion of P. Chidambaram, our home minister, with a visiting head of the FBI regarding the constitutional implications of the manner in which the National Investigation Agency (NIA) was set up in a hurry after the 26/11 strikes. He had apparently discussed with his US interlocutors things which he had never broached with us mere Indians. It is as if we mere Indians cannot be trusted with discussions of such sensitive matters whereas the Americans can be. One finds many such instances right across the cables.

I find this the most galling.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?270975
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It is most important to rid Indian decision-making institutions of those Indians esp bereaucrat & politicians who have significant stakes in america and its economy through kith & kin citizenships or those who are educated there. It may sound a bit spontaneous, but most of India's leaks come from this community who seem to owe more to america than their country of birth.

this community of chidambarams, montek's, N. Ram's, Deoras, Satish Sharmas, Rabinder Singhs & countless other civil servents will bite India harder than anyone else. This is the fifth column operating inside Indian soil. We must do a Pakistan & keep these folks only for frontal positions where they can present a liberal face to Indian decision making institution. The core of Indian decision making apparatus should only include those educated in India, who roots are firmly in India and have kith & kin who are Indian citizens with no encumbrances abroad and residing in powerful revisionist countries of their times.

My abiding memory of Chidambaram is that of a man who used every budget as an opportunity to add additional tax on govt babus & salaried class and cut corporate taxes. These are the primary ones who treat Indians are 'mere Indians', corporates as 'more Indians' and US as 'above Indians'.
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habal wrote:My abiding memory of Chidambaram is that of a man who used every budget as an opportunity to add additional tax on govt babus & salaried class and cut corporate taxes
??? PC was responsible for the grand denouement of direct tax reforms in India, bringing down income tax rates to a level comparable to rest of Asia...Remember the 1997 "dream budget"?

BTW, most of our babus are very much Indian-trained......they used to be mostly JNU-trained earlier, (and IIT-trained as well) but with 50% quota, a lot of them are now even "more Indian" trained from the likes of University of Muzaffarpur :wink:
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habal wrote: or those who are educated there.
according to that logic then several of our great freedom fighters were also less Indian.
just because one gets some higher education in foreign land does not mean he is less Indian.
infact they are necessary for formulating policies since they have seen both the worlds and understand differnt cultures etc.
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Eh, Tehelka now claims that the cash-for-votes shown by the BJP MPs in the LS in 2008 was actually carried out by the BJP themselves to discredit the Congress.
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main49.asp ... ilance.asp
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BhairavP wrote:Eh, Tehelka now claims that the cash-for-votes shown by the BJP MPs in the LS in 2008 was actually carried out by the BJP themselves to discredit the Congress.
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main49.asp ... ilance.asp
Yes there is no scam.

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Muppalla wrote:Caution - This news may be wrong as it is from the Land of Pure.
India helped Mumbai attacks
President Asif Ali Zardari told US Senator John Kerry last year that he believed the Indian government was involved in the 2008 terror attacks on Mumbai, according to WikiLeaks cables partly published by The Hindu on Monday.
I suspect as much, since two former Chief Ministers (Antulay and Digvijay Singh) have lent support to conspiracy theories implicating the CIA,RSS,Mossad. If officials of that level are involved in some way, Zardari may be hard put to distinguish it from government support.
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Susfma ji ko parnam. what an orator. Better then Mrs Gandhi any day. I am BJPian from today onlee.
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Are you into mining?
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http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Was-the-t ... 368600.cms

Watch Amar Singh when Goswami calls him unscrupulous.
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How is the coverage of the wikileaks bribery scandal in desi channels? Is it all pro-govt or is there an attempt at unbiased coverage?
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I noticed the following during the live telecast of the debate in RS. Leader of opposition, Mr Jaitley was delivering his speech in support of the privilege motion, when Ms Jayanthi Natrajan interjected to say that all the New channels/ media are reporting through the day that the entire cash for vote scam was planned and carried out by BJP as found out by tehelka.
I quickly surfed about five/ six (un)worthy news channels and found that the same was not being carried/ reported in any news channel till then. However, the same news (tehelka sting) started appearing as "breaking news" in two/ three channels some 15 to 20 mins after Ms Jayanthi Natarjan had interjected Mr Jaitley at around 3.00pm.
I kept wondering, how come?!?!?
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Here i would like to share something about sting operations. At any given point of time, many sting operations are done.Once complete, money is demanded in exchange of destruction of tapes. If money comes through, those tapes are destroyed.If the deal does not go through, the tapes go on air.
So, this media pillar of democracy is as good as the other pillars. :mrgreen:
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putnanja wrote:How is the coverage of the wikileaks bribery scandal in desi channels? Is it all pro-govt or is there an attempt at unbiased coverage?
unbiased ? bull$#i!.
sorry.
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Bravura performance by Sushamji today!
The two thieves have fallen out on serving the master-e-west or master-e-east, since systemic safeguards severely inhibit either agenda, now they have taken to fighting each other. Wiki and Chindu tango is nothing but a funny area denial exercise played by major powers using Indian pawns. Ascribing virtue to a murder of democracy carried out two years ago and calling it a 'pressurising tactic' against a snow white PM is nothing but a joke.
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From the above some selected quotes
The cables also point to increasing American frustration over India’s campaign for a permanent seat at the United Nations Security Council, and the independent positions that New Delhi took at various multinational forums, which US diplomats said were out of tune with “increasingly strong bilateral ties”.
IOW be a poodle to uncle you will have a permanent seat with reduced powers. no thanks.
“The ambassador listed the Indian insistence to x-ray the diplomatic pouch, visa delays for US officers, holding US sales of property in India hostage to resolution of the tax issue in New York, the delay in the expansion of the Fulbright program, and persistent lack of cooperation on agricultural issues as among the irritants that seem inconsistent with the emerging strategic partnership that both countries advertise,” the cable says.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The US was especially miffed with Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar who had then made a public statement that problems in South Asia have their roots in Washington.
:(( :((
In another cable from January 2006, the then US ambassador the UN, John R Bolton, complained that India was not siding with the US on a range of issues within the UN and at other forums. “India’s positions on key issues of importance to the US in New York do not appear to have kept pace with the increasingly strong bilateral ties developing in New Delhi and Washington,” the cable says.

The US carried out a statistical analysis of India’s voting record at the UN General Assembly, and concluded that India had voted in correlation with the US at less than 20 per cent of occasions. “On Middle East issues, India’s voting correlation with the US was 5.90%; on disarmament and arms control issues, 39.30%; and on human rights issues, 11.80%,” the cable says.
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The Indian wikileaks have shown the true nature of silent hard working babus.
Good showing by sdre babus. would have been nice if shown by ddm instead of relying on wikileaks to know about our own babus. Most likely reason babus don't gloat and bribe media hence no news. If done by politicians it will be all over the media.
politicians propose, sdre babus dispose. :P
Hail sdre babus.
You truly look after sdre interests.
Ironically it is good if politicians do not know a lot about Indian affairs and leave it to lowly paid babus. :D
May be it is better to have more duffers like <you name them> .........
Dont want another JLN like character to scr*w India knowingly or unknowingly.
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^^^ maybe if the analyst had wondered at the low %, he should also have looked at whether the US had made India the target of those issues?

Make no mistake all those guys whining are high IQ people from Ivy League colleges but not rooted in common sense. You cant expect cooperation while you fund and arm the enemy and same time carry a campaign to neuter India.

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Where is the link to Chidu talking about NIA with feebeeeye chief?
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Do we need any more proof of the "strategic slavery" that the UPA has embraced?
How India blinked on U.S. inspections of PM's jet
Wary of political fallout, New Delhi asked Washington to stay quiet on shifting goalposts

Three years after issuing a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) on Boeing aircraft that India was buying for use by the Prime Minister and other VVIPs, the United States unilaterally foisted an amendment mandating intrusive annual end-use inspections of them by American personnel.

When the Cabinet Committee on Security approved the purchase plans in September 2005, it was on the basis of an LOA that did not require physical inspection of the highly sensitive aircraft. But in May 2008, the U.S. handed over to the Indian side a number of changes to the LOA, including a requirement for annual Enhanced End-use Monitoring inspections of the Large Aircraft Infrared Counter-Measures (LAIRCM) the planes come equipped with.

The LAIRCM is a self-protection suite that allows the pilot to take counter-measures if the aircraft comes under attack while in air.

According to a cable sent to Washington on May 5, 2008 from the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi, accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, the Indian side strenuously objected to the American demands when they were first made. In a meeting with U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense James Clad in May 2008, Ministry of External Affairs Joint Secretary Gaitri Kumar “raised Indian concerns over what it perceived was the ‘reopening' of the LOA for the Boeing VVIP aircraft India had agreed to purchase in 2005, specifically mentioning the ‘intrusive' end-use monitoring (EUM) agreement for the protection suite India was now being asked to sign as problematic. We don't mind if it is recast for some financial or technical thing,' she stated, ‘but to insert an EUM requirement retroactively and say if you don't agree we'll put it in storage, that would make our people flip'.” (152359: secret).

That India eventually agreed to American monitoring of the aircraft is already known, even if the details were never made public. But the Embassy cables give an unprecedented insight into the tug-of-war that followed the demand. The cables also reveal the “creative wording” the two sides used, in which India agreed to give U.S. inspectors annual physical access to the LAIRCM on the planes but the politically explosive term of “on-site inspection” was replaced by “on-site review.”

NSA’s appreciation

According to a cable sent on May 29, 2008 (155930: confidential), the amended LOA was initialled that day. In fact, National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan expressed his “appreciation for the text's creative wording, such as using ‘joint consultation to include an on-site review' in lieu of ‘on-site inspection'”, because of “political sensitivities… over the principle of on-site inspections.”

The Indian side, however, remained wary of how the story would play out once it became clear that the government had allowed the U.S. to arbitrarily alter the terms of the aircraft deal. India made it clear on the day of the initialling that it wanted no public discussion of the fact that the goal posts had been moved. “Following [Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Mitchell] Shivers' expression of empathy for India's perception that the U.S. had added the EUM requirement after an initial LOA had been signed in 2005, Foreign Secretary [Shiv Shankar] Menon noted his appreciation but asked that there be no future reference to any ‘shifting of the goal posts,' rather that the entire deal had just been a continuum of discussions,” the cable, sent under the name of U.S. Ambassador David Mulford, recorded,

Other cables track the meetings Mr. Mulford had with Mr. Narayanan and Mr. Menon in the run up to May 29 in order to convince the Indian government to agree to that shift.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/the-india- ... epage=true
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And still we want to consider the teens for the MMRCA

How India blinked on U.S. inspections of PM's jet
NEW DELHI: Three years after issuing a Letter of Offer and Acceptance (LOA) on Boeing aircraft that India was buying for use by the Prime Minister and other VVIPs, the United States unilaterally foisted an amendment mandating intrusive annual end-use inspections of them by American personnel.

When the Cabinet Committee on Security approved the purchase plans in September 2005, it was on the basis of an LOA that did not require physical inspection of the highly sensitive aircraft. But in May 2008, the U.S. handed over to the Indian side a number of changes to the LOA, including a requirement for annual Enhanced End-use Monitoring inspections of the Large Aircraft Infrared Counter-Measures (LAIRCM) the planes come equipped with.

The LAIRCM is a self-protection suite that allows the pilot to take counter-measures if the aircraft comes under attack while in air.

According to a cable sent to Washington on May 5, 2008 from the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi, accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, the Indian side strenuously objected to the American demands when they were first made. In a meeting with U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense James Clad in May 2008, Ministry of External Affairs Joint Secretary Gaitri Kumar “raised Indian concerns over what it perceived was the ‘reopening' of the LOA for the Boeing VVIP aircraft India had agreed to purchase in 2005, specifically mentioning the ‘intrusive' end-use monitoring (EUM) agreement for the protection suite India was now being asked to sign as problematic. We don't mind if it is recast for some financial or technical thing,' she stated, ‘but to insert an EUM requirement retroactively and say if you don't agree we'll put it in storage, that would make our people flip'.” ( 152359: secret).

That India eventually agreed to American monitoring of the aircraft is already known, even if the details were never made public. But the Embassy cables give an unprecedented insight into the tug-of-war that followed the demand. The cables also reveal the “creative wording” the two sides used, in which India agreed to give U.S. inspectors annual physical access to the LAIRCM on the planes but the politically explosive term of “on-site inspection” was replaced by “on-site review.”

NSA's appreciation

According to a cable sent on May 29, 2008 ( 155930: confidential), the amended LOA was initialled that day. In fact, National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan expressed his “appreciation for the text's creative wording, such as using ‘joint consultation to include an on-site review' in lieu of ‘on-site inspection'”, because of “political sensitivities… over the principle of on-site inspections.”

The Indian side, however, remained wary of how the story would play out once it became clear that the government had allowed the U.S. to arbitrarily alter the terms of the aircraft deal. India made it clear on the day of the initialling that it wanted no public discussion of the fact that the goal posts had been moved. “Following [Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Mitchell] Shivers' expression of empathy for India's perception that the U.S. had added the EUM requirement after an initial LOA had been signed in 2005, Foreign Secretary [Shiv Shankar] Menon noted his appreciation but asked that there be no future reference to any ‘shifting of the goal posts,' rather that the entire deal had just been a continuum of discussions,” the cable, sent under the name of U.S. Ambassador David Mulford, recorded,

Other cables track the meetings Mr. Mulford had with Mr. Narayanan and Mr. Menon in the run up to May 29 in order to convince the Indian government to agree to that shift.
India wary of image of U.S. officials tramping around head of state's plane
NEW DELHI: More than the substance of on-site inspections, the Indian government was worried about the public reaction to American inspectors getting access to the Prime Minister's plane, American officials dealing with the matter of end-use monitoring for the VVIP Boeing jets concluded. On May 14, Ambassador David Mulford met Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon to discuss the matter and “urged him to begin ‘sensible negotiations' to resolve the enhanced end-use monitoring (EEUM) arrangements for the VVIP jets quickly (1 53810, May 14, 2008, confidential). The cable quotes Mr. Menon saying he had been through the proposed amendment and that he felt “there are ‘no insurmountable difficulties in reaching an understanding that would meet your requirements and ours'.”

‘Reassuring'

Though Mr. Menon “found the amendment ‘reassuring,' because the details that it laid out [for keeping the LAIRCM secure] mirror those that the Indian government also wishes to enforce”, Ambassador Mulford wrote. “We have a huge interest to make sure it is well protected — not just by us but by others — and we have no problem with high standards, the Foreign Secretary stressed. At the same time, notes the Ambassador, “Menon also pointed out that, because the aircraft attracts high-level political attention, the presentation of the inspections regime needed rewrQing [sic]”.

Mr. Mulford ended his cable with the following comment: “At no point in the conversation did Menon reject inspections, and he appeared resigned to on-site verification, as shown by his acceptance of a site visit by negotiators. The problems that the Foreign Secretary saw in the US' proposed amendment dealt primarily with the cosmetic presentation it seemed, which he believes gives the impression of associating the VVIP aircraft, and by extension the Indian Government, too closely with the U.S.”

The Indian stake

In a meeting with Mr. Mulford (155283 , May 23, 2008, confidentia l), the NSA “agreed that the Indian government had a stake in protecting the LAIRCM's technology, and he recognized that if the U.S. and India prolong negotiations over the EEUM, ‘our Prime Minister will not have a plane'.” But, he insisted, “We need to work in a manner that provides comfort to both sides.” Mr. Mulford ended his cable with the observation that “As Narayanan makes clear, on-site U.S. inspections of the prime minister's jet make the Indian government pause”. The risk, he wrote, is “that the UPA government's opponents might use the image of U.S. officials tramping around the Indian head of state's plane to garner votes in the upcoming general elections”.

Such an image “fits into the campaign messages already espoused by the opposition BJP, which accuses the government of an overriding weakness, and the Communists, who denounce the growing friendship with the U.S. But our willingness to resolve the issue in New Delhi at a high level could help alleviate the Indians' anxiety and point the way towards a middle ground that protects both the LAIRCM and the UPA government”.
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This is not exactly Wikileaks related, but close..

The recent ham-handed efforts, led by Outlook to somehow impute motives to the VSNL privatisation case - Arun Shourie writes in IE..

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/my-pu ... t/766547/0

He demolishes every single point (BTW, I had made somewhat similar point in an earlier discussion when someone aleged AS's culpability in the VSNL case)...

Arun Shourie's points are 100% correct - there is no way the Tatas are able to use the land - it is infact a huge operational bottleneck for them, as a batchmate who used to be a GM (Finance) there told me once...Arun S should file a defamation case against Kapil Sibla on this - he is guaranteed to get rich!
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somnath wrote:The recent ham-handed efforts, led by Outlook to somehow impute motives to the VSNL privatisation case - Arun Shourie writes in IE..
It is always a serious suspicion if Outlook is used in the slander against opposition. Outlook and The Week are serious helpers to 2G for hitjobs. Why Shourie? This should go to 2G thread. Hmm getting confused between these two threads.
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Mumbai consulate advised pulling up Hyatt Dubai for hosting Dawood family wedding
Outraged that an “American branded” hotel chain hosted Dawood Ibrahim's daughter's wedding party, a worked-up United States Consulate in Mumbai sent a strong cable to Washington suggesting that the parent corporation be taken to task for its lack of judgment. It is not known, however, if the consulate's “action request” cabled on August 8, 2005 ( 38140: confidential), and accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, was ever acted upon.

But at the very least, it should come as consolation to hardened sceptics of India-U.S. counterterrorism cooperation that an American official was receptive to Indian security concerns.

The daughter of the Mumbai don married the son of former Pakistan cricketer Javed Miandad in July 2005. The reception was held on July 23, in Dubai.

“It is also an established fact that [Dawood's] daughter was the focus of an upscale wedding reception in Dubai on July 23 at a hotel carrying a famous American brand name. We find the hotel's judgment lacking, and its corporate parent ought to be asking some questions of its franchise in Dubai,” the cable went.

It drew an elaborate profile of Dawood, and made a reference to the speculation that he lives in Pakistan, without confirming it. It also described how the Indian press had staked out the Dubai hotel.

It described the don as “a topic of effective U.S./India CT [counter-terrorism] cooperation, and our October 2003 listing of him as a specially designated terrorist was a turning point in our bilateral dialogue on the issue.”

Calling attention to the “serious concern” in the Indian government at the “open manner” in which the reception was held, the cable said “our Indian contacts are perplexed and angry at how Ibrahim could brazenly host” such an event.

Send strong signal

“We believe the USG [United States government] should send a strong signal of solidarity and zero tolerance by generating a demarche asking the Grand Hyatt in Dubai where the money came from, and how.

‘‘We should also ask the Hyatt corporation in the U.S. how their local franchise could have made such a questionable decision,” it urged.
What is with this SDRE whining to US on every damn issue? What prevented India from doing something to ensure UAE fell in line and didnt allow the D wedding?
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If you note I have been saying for a long time that the Bureaucracy is in open revolt against the Mass agents which is pretty much all of UPA govt.

I am glad that public proof to back me up has emerged.
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Rapist goon propaganda yellow daily is making a big celebration over Unkil praising a rapist goon traitor - but when they praise Modi it is supposed to be not taken seriously...

What is more interesting is not the notes of a traitor meeting his enemies but that of a rapist goon traitor meeting his paymasters..unfortunately there is no wikileaks for that..nor would the yellow journalists publish it, should there be one...
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sum wrote: What is with this SDRE whining to US on every damn issue? What prevented India from doing something to ensure UAE fell in line and didnt allow the D wedding?
That has also been covered in the leaks - it is called vote bank.

To the shyamds of the world -> here is another reason why the barbaric animals and scum of the earth should not be given any respect by any of us, trying to separate them into wild animals and mild animals. They ill treat poor Indians including IMs and pamper terrorists and killers.

Treat them with contempt and tell them to go to hell. What they need is a bunch of goras that plunder them, make money off them and spit on their face with contempt and talk ill of them, like the Vanity fair article.
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suryag, Those intrusive inspectison of PMs aricraft is to know where he/she is. Related to button.

And the fact that GOI agreed shows the state of affairs!
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ramana wrote:suryag, Those intrusive inspectison of PMs aricraft is to know where he/she is. Related to button.

And the fact that GOI agreed shows the state of affairs!
;)
ramana garu
OT but Is it possible there exists a technology which can actually eavesdrop PM's aircraft and needs "service" occasionally. Cold War did gave birth to lot of technologies which our desi babus may not be aware of.
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Altair,
My ;) has a lot of meaning.

P-secs will have a fit after teh wikipees about US efforts to maintain contacts with N Modi while publically refusing a visa for his visit. Shows extreme duplicity. Lets see the prafools whine about this.

OTH they wont as they need US funding/largesse and visas to survive.
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Sushupti wrote:
Awesome speech by Smt. Sushma Swaraj...she ended her speech with this sher...Thanks to Murugan for posting the translation on 2G thread..
“Tu idhar udhar ki na baat kar, yeh bata ki qafila kyon loota; hamein rahzanon se gila nahin, teri rehbari ka sawaal hai
(don't talk about hearsay, tell us why the caravan was looted; we have no complaints against dacoits but it is a question of your leadership).”
what an attack? or should I call it an insult? Sharad Pawar was smirking? and our PM was sitting there like a stone unaffected....after this kind of attack from SSji on floor, on record when the whole country is watching him....I wonder how he is able to sleep in night and step in PMO and Ubhaya Sabhas next day...either he is a Yantra or a Sthitaprajna...
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The phased release of what the White House described as the “unauthorised release of classified documents and national security information” by WikiLeaks has titillated the charmed world of politics, diplomacy and the media. Only India’s Prime Minister is in denial, insisting the cables are “unverified and unverifiable”.

there are reports (often woven into situation updates) of private conversations with public figures. It has, for example, emerged Rahul Gandhi’s view of internal security is woefully one-sided and that the relationship of former national security adviser M.K. Narayanan with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was tempered by mutual disrespect. The scepticism of one journalist over the political potential of Congress general secretary Rahul Gandhi is the subject of an entire cable — a pointer not so much to the journalist’s perceived proximity to the family as to the paucity of the US embassy’s open contacts.

Curious case of cables: Swapan Dasgupta
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Interview of Karat:

Commenting on the influential reach of Washington in India's strategic affairs and foreign and economic policies, he said the U.S. had access to the bureaucracy, military, security and the intelligence system and successfully penetrated them at various levels. ...

He said collaboration between the intelligence and security agencies of the two countries resulted in American penetration and two cases of espionage: Rabinder Singh, who was helped by the CIA flee to the U.S.; and during the UPA regime, a system analyst in the National Security Council secretariat was found to have been recruited by the CIA, with contact established through the U.S.-India Cyber Security Forum.


He said there was no use blaming the Americans, since the UPA government decided in 2007 that mandatory mid-career training programmes for IAS officers be undertaken in various American universities. “Whether they are civil servants or military officials, the way to go ahead is to get training in the United States.'

http://www.hindu.com/2011/03/25/stories ... 471600.htm
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It is well known the Assange has old links with the western establishment ... for example he was given an award by the Economist mag a few years back.

The question is why these cables, undoubtedly embarrassing to the UPA, are being released now.
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India, US differed on timing of ban on JuD
Clearly, the US did not want too much pressure on Pakistan for its own interests.
Ted Osius, Political Counselor at the New Delhi Embassy, cabled that at a meeting with Ministry of External Affairs Joint Secretary T.C.A. Raghavan that day, he had expressed “dismay at GoI's actions at the UN Security Council on Tuesday, when it publicly called for designation of Jamat-ud- Dawa.”

The diplomat explained to Mr. Raghavan this would “complicate” the U.S. effort to “get an even more ambitious list of designations through the UNSC 1267 Sanctions Committee.”

The cable does not mention the inclusions in that “ambitious list.”

Mr. Osius wrote that “Raghavan defended [India's] action and dismissed [U.S.] concerns.” The Indian official argued that the U.S. and Indian proposals were “not mutually exclusive,” and that it did not matter which one the 1267 Committee acted on first.

According to Mr. Osius, the Joint Secretary told him India hoped the move would further pressure Pakistan to act against the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks. At the same time, it was a message to the Indian public that its government “is getting things done.”

Mr. Raghavan explained to the U.S. diplomat that “if China and Pakistan intend to co-operate, designations would move forward.”
Once again, the Indian bureaucracy leaned back on the Americans heavily. Good work.
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