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why chromite is so important?

google tells me that its uses are:
* used to harden steel, to manufacture stainless steel, and to form alloys
* used in plating to produce a hard, beautiful surface and to prevent corrosion.
* used to give glass an emerald green colour. It is responsible for the green colour of emeralds and the red colour of rubies
* wide use as a catalyst
* dichromates such as K2Cr2O7 are oxidising agents and are used in quantitative analysis and also in tanning leather
* lead chromate as chrome yellow is a pigment
* compounds are used in the textile industry as mordants
* used by the aircraft and other industries for anodising aluminium
* the refractory industry uses chromite for forming bricks and shapes, as it has a high melting point, moderate thermal expansion, and stable crystalline structure
* tanning leather
but I am technically incompetent to understand why USA has top priority for chromite mines across the world in India, South Africa and Kazakhstan...can anyone enlighten how this metal made it to USA's national interest? is it because they don't have chromium deposits in USA and most of Europe? is there no substitute for Chromium?

...btw Balochistan has it and is being mined by China.
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If one did his Mech enginerring in non donation colleges or elite IIIts( ;) ) Chromium importance is easily recognised, all the Bharthans ( Stainless Steel, Dishes Utensils) in South Indian family are dependent on this Chromite.. Chromium from you phase diagram ( before the Phase book) you can see Iron chromium Vandium give you alloys that are used in Surgical tools to armaments to cutting tools to you name you got it.

never forget your mettle (urgy) if you are a (non donation) good engineer.. :rotfl:

(added a little more clarity removing the inclusions in the chromite crystal post :mrgreen: )
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Chromium is alloyed (that is, mixed) with steel to make it corrosion resistant or harder. An example is its use in the production of stainless steel, a bright, shiny steel that is strong and resistant to oxidation (rust). Stainless steel production consumes most of the chromium produced annually. Chromium is also used to make heat-resisting steel. So-called "superalloys" use chromium and have strategic military applications.
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Only we Indians are idiots who never think of preserving but loot the land in mining rights and indiscriminately export (ISI: Incredible Scams India).

Here you see how US protects its commerical interests not the Indians... (why should they when we dont care ourselves)

The only ore of chromium is the mineral chromite. United States chromium consumption is equivalent to about 14% of all the chromite ore mined each year. In the western hemisphere, chromite ore is produced only in Brazil and Cuba; the United States, Mexico and Canada do not produce chromite. (The Stillwater Complex in Montana is the biggest chromium deposit in the United States, however it is not producing chromite ore at this time.) By comparison, about 80% of world production of chromite comes from India, Kazakhstan, Turkey and southern Africa. Southern Africa itself produces about half of this.
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So Chromium is used to make Submarines and ballistic missiles?
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Could be. Even in ships i guess
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also note use of chromite in aluminium treatment - quite vital
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US - NATO plan to defend Baltics against Russia - Wikileaks
"On January 22, NATO's Military Committee agreed to expand Eagle Guardian, the Alliance's contingency plan for the reinforcement and defense of Poland, to also include the defense and reinforcement of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania," the cable, published on Monday in the Guardian, read.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton mentions the plan in another cable released on Monday and stresses that it must be kept secret.

"We see the expansion of Eagle Guardian as a step toward the possible expansion of NATO's other existing country-specific contingency plans into regional plans," the cable said.
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Sad day
Confirms that US is the most controlled media, least free and most commited journalists on the earth.

His arrerst should not stop the leaks no? The arrest is to administer truth serom water boarding to stop leaks?

He should continue leaks and if required be Galileo of 21st century...
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The Great Satan's public enemy No.1 is now no longer Osama,but Assange.The ranting and raving and shrieks of "revenge" emanating from hustlers like Palin,Clinton et al,shwo that when it comes to a choice of exposing the truth in global affairs and prosecuting the world's top terrorist,the "fountainhead" of global Islamist terror,it is sadly the truth that must suffer first.That nations lie to the world and their own people is nothing new.Cynicism with our leaders even in so-called emocratic countries is par for the course,but the nation with the "self-appointed" appelation,"the world's greatest democracy",is behaving more like a Stalinist state,in fact just like NoKO at the damning diplomatic exposes that shows America's scorn and contempt for almost every nation on the planet.

Assange today has instantly become an immortal figure in global history,as his crusade for the truth to "out" is unparalleled,taking on the mightiest nation on the planet and exposing many of its secrets.
Once again little David takes on a Goliath.Like Spartacus or the Burmese madonna,he is now in custody,but will he ever emerge free?
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http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/08/09STATE83026.html
Aug 10, 2009
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I just thought this is interesting about Assange's arrest:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... llegations

Journalist John Pilger, filmmaker Ken Loach, and socialite Jemima Khan were among six people in court willing to offer surety.
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One pooch from the leak of the American interests around the world:

How come the Mumbai based under-sea cable switch/repeater station doesn't come in the list? Isn't the Mumbai hub supposed to be the meeting place of most of the under-sea cables( Europe-Asia/Asia-asia etc) and supposed to be the envy of the NSA ( they seem to describe it as a perfect listening post)?

Surely tons of American data must be flowing through there?
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williams wrote:I just thought this is interesting about Assange's arrest:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... llegations

Journalist John Pilger, filmmaker Ken Loach, and socialite Jemima Khan were among six people in court willing to offer surety.
why are you so concerned about Jemima Goldsmith Khan?
She and her brother are active in a number of causes, looking at the other worthies on that list, it is highly consistent
and her father has donated well to many
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WikiLeaks faces increasing problems continuing to operate. Today Visa said it had suspended all payments to the organisation "pending further investigation", while MasterCard said it was "taking action to ensure that WikiLeaks can no longer accept MasterCard-branded products".
unkil using its financial muscle. :mrgreen:
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williams wrote:I just thought this is interesting about Assange's arrest:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... llegations

Journalist John Pilger, filmmaker Ken Loach, and socialite Jemima Khan were among six people in court willing to offer surety.
Jemmima Khan is a front for Imran Khan, and is usually the standard British socialite Pakistanis use to push their agenda. If the Chinese wanted access to Assange for some reason, they could have gotten any of their many fronts. It seems the agenda is Pakistan's at play here.

Is it, that the Pakistanis want to be able to strike a deal with Assange, that he does not leak key documents implicating Pak in more terror or in more GUBO in lieu for their support to get him out.
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Re Assange arrest:

Assange surrendered, which means that he probably cut a deal with the authorities. Now look at the events leading upto the arrest. First, wikileaks fires a public warning that they have far more damaging material than what was released till date. Then, they release this list of sensitive areas. But when you read that list with a critical eye, you realise that it is not as critical as is made out to be. Most of the targets are already well known. Moreover, it is compilation of sites - culled from various US embassies across the world. In other words, it is a collection of opinions, not really a list of sites made after careful risk analysis by USG. IOW, it is zilch.

Wikileaks probably released it to show USG it has sensitive material - as a warning not to take its earlier threat lightly.

Post the release of this list, we have Assange 'surrendering' to the UK police.
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Most likely socialites support liberal causes and there is a need to take off the green glasses while looking at the picture.
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Green Glasses do not hurt.
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hmmm... Jemima doesnt have that much to do with Imran these days, not since she shacked up with Hugh Grant
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Lalmohan wrote:hmmm... Jemima doesnt have that much to do with Imran these days, not since she shacked up with Hugh Grant
On Oct 22, 2010 both Imran Khan and Jemima Khan attacked Benazir Bhutto.
Imran, Jemima attack Benazir

Jemima Khan wrote this piece on Nov 18, 2007 when Imran Khan was arrested by Musharraf.
Imran Khan is one of 25,000 jailed innocents

On January 28, 2008
Imran and Jemima Khan reunite to protest at Brown's No10 meeting with Musharraf

Just a few examples, that their relationship is quite cordial, and politically they are on the same page. Jemima continues to be knee-deep in Pakistani politics and interests.
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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm
U.S. to Host World Press Freedom Day in 2011

Press Statement
Philip J. Crowley
Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Public Affairs
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December 7, 2010

The United States is pleased to announce that it will host UNESCO’s World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from May 1 - May 3 in Washington, D.C. UNESCO is the only UN agency with the mandate to promote freedom of expression and its corollary, freedom of the press.

The theme for next year’s commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals’ right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age.
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China worried about losing Tibet in 2008
1. (C) President Hu Jintao remains firmly in charge of China's policy on Tibet, with the leadership unified over
Beijing's current hard-line stance and buoyed by rising PRC nationalist sentiment, xxxxx. Given Hu's background and experience in Tibet, as well as the "extremely sensitive" nature of the issue, no one would "dare" challenge Hu or the Party line, contacts say. While there may be differences in how various leaders publicly articulate China's Tibet policy, there are no substantive differences among the top leadership. Similarly, Embassy sources do not believe that two recent articles in Party-controlled southern newspapers signaled leadership debate or a review of policy, instead arguing the pieces perhaps reflect an adjustment in the Party's media strategy. The Party has been buoyed by rising nationalist sentiment, fueled in part by anger at the West over "biased" media reporting on Tibet and Olympic-related protests, but this nationalistic fervor also constrains future policy choices. Regardless, any modification of Tibet policy is unlikely in
the short term, at least until after the Olympics, contacts say. End Summary.

Hu Jintao Firmly in Charge, Leadership Unified
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¶2. (C) President Hu Jintao is firmly in charge of the PRC's Tibet policy, with the leadership unified over Beijing's
current hard-line stance, several Embassy contacts told PolOffs over the past week. Sources argued that given Hu
Jintao's own expertise and experience regarding Tibet (Hu was provincial party secretary in Tibet in the late 1980s), as well as the "extreme" importance and sensitivity of the Tibet issue, it would be virtually "impossible" for any leader to challenge Hu on Tibet. An issue as sensitive as Tibet policy would be controlled by a small group of top leaders, limited primarily to the nine-member Politburo Standing Committee (PBSC), meaning it is difficult to know precisely the content of leadership discussions on Tibet, longtime Embassy contact xxxxx. Nevertheless, "it is still quite clear," xxxxx argued, that Hu Jintao is "completely" in charge of the Tibet issue, and no other leader would "dare" confront Hu or the Party line over such a critical issue. Doing so would be "political suicide" and would make any leader vulnerable to charges of being "soft," or even being a "traitor," risking eventual removal, a la the ouster of former Party General Secretary Hu Yaobang in 1987, xxxxx averred.

¶3. (C) There is "absolutely no division" within the leadership on Tibet, xxxxx. For the Chinese leadership, Tibet is even more sensitive than Taiwan. Among the nine members of the PBSC who are controlling China's Tibet policy, no one has the stature or experience to challenge Hu, xxxxx said, noting that four are brand new members of the PBSC, and no one on the PBSC other than Hu has direct experience in Tibet. It was Hu Jintao, as then-Party Secretary in Tibet, who oversaw the "quick and effective suppression" of protests there in 1987 and 1989, which earned him "great praise" from then-paramount leader Deng Xiaoping and which was an important factor in his elevation to the PBSC in 1992, xxxxx recalled. Thus, Hu has "great confidence" when it comes to Tibet, putting him in a virtually unassailable position. There may be room within the leadership for expressing differences with Hu on issues such as Taiwan, economic development or political reform, but not on Tibet, xxxxx asserted.

Different Views Exist in Party, but No Disagreement at Top
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¶4. (C) A range of contacts have acknowledged that there are differences of opinion within the Party and among elites
regarding Tibet, though none believed this reflected any disagreement among the top leadership. For example,xxxxx acknowledged the presence of more "moderate" voices on Tibet within the Party, but he nevertheless stressed that it is Hu Jintao who is "completely" in charge of China's Tibet policy. Moreover, it is clear that those such as Hu favoring a "hard line" are calling the shots. (Note:xxxxx view that Tibet policy is more sensitive for China's leadership
than even Taiwan, noting that despite its rhetoric, Beijing has de facto accepted the involvement of the United States in
Taiwan, but China can never accept the "interference" of foreign powers in Tibet.)xxxxx, confessed that he "personally" favors a more "measured" approach to Tibet, to include dialogue with the Dalai Lama, given that "only the Dalai Lama" can unify the majority of the Tibetan community both within China and abroad.

¶5. (C) Separately, xxxxx "many elites" are advocating a reassessment of policy toward the Dalai Lama, questioning
the wisdom of demonizing and refusing to negotiate with him. According to xxxxx however, apart from a "minority" of
"elites" and "intellectuals," the majority of the Party rank-and-file, as well as "98 percent" of the public, support
the current policy. Any serious disagreement over Tibet among the Party leadership is "simply unimaginable," xxxxx
stated, a view separately shared xxxxx. Public Statements: Difference in Nuance, not Substance
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¶6. (C) While there may be differences in how various leaders have publicly articulated China's Tibet policy, there are no
substantive differences among the top leadership, contacts asserted. For example, xxxxx said he does not believe there is disagreement between President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao over Tibet, as some have speculated based on Wen's purportedly more "moderate" comments to UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown and his statement to the media in Laos on March 30 regarding the Dalai Lama. xxxx asserted that, on Tibet, Hu and Wen are like a "restaurant sugar packet," black on one side and white on the other, but still part of the same whole. In other words, Hu and Wen merely emphasize different aspects of the same policy. xxxxx said xxxxx"sensed" Wen may be "slightly more moderate" on Tibet than some other leaders, but he thought that represents Wen's style and does not imply a disagreement over official policy. xxxxx shared this view, attributing the Prime Minister's March 30 remarks to "Wen simply being Wen" and appearing more "moderate and reasonable" on almost every issue, even though his comments represented no serious departure from the official line.

Southern Media Pieces Reflect No Division over Policy
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¶7. (C) xxxxx did not think that two recent articles in Party-controlled southern newspapers signaled leadership debate or divisions, instead offering that the articles perhaps reflected an adjustment in the Party's media strategy. Both articles appeared on April 3 in Guangdong Provincial Party papers that have a reputation for pushing the limits of Central Propaganda Department (CPD) guidelines. The first, which appeared in a blog run by Southern Metropolis (Nanfang Dushibao), was critical of the Party's restrictions on reporting in Tibet, arguing that allowing foreign reporters to cover the story directly would provide a more accurate picture of events. The second, published in Southern Weekend (Nanfang Zhoumou), argued that most Tibetans are not separatists and do not support or participate in the unrest or advocate violence, and that such distinctions should be made when responding to the issue. The article also called for talks with the Dalai Lama. (See refs A-C.)

¶8. (C) xxxxx with whom PolOffs met in the last week had not read or heard of either article, which PolOffs interpreted as a sign that the pieces are not terribly significant. xxxxx, explicitly made this point, arguing that the article in the Southern Metropolis did not represent anything other than the "pro-Western slant" of the Southern Daily Media Group and
"liberal southern journalists." The piece would only be significant if more "authoritative" media outlets had picked
it up. xxxxx, thought it represented a desire among some elites for a review of Tibet policy but also noted that the
piece was criticized by many internally in the Party. xxxxx, saying that the articles merely reflected the "traditionally liberal" stances of both newspapers, which are noted for "pushing the envelope" ("da cabianqiu," literally "playing edge ball").

It is too early to tell whether these pieces have crossed a red line, xxxxx said, noting that both papers have often
gotten into trouble with propaganda officials in the past.

¶9. (C) Surprisingly, even the xxxxx had not read either article that appeared in his group's newspapers. In response to PolOff's summary of the pieces, he strongly doubted they carried any political significance. Perhaps, he said, they represent an adjustment in the Party's media strategy. The Southern Weekend editor-in-chief must have had prior approval from Party authorities to publish the piece, xxxxx surmised, otherwise the editor would have been "dismissed immediately" for publishing such a sensitive article on his own. With Hu Jintao himself in charge of the media response to Tibet, xxxxx asked rhetorically, what newspaper editor would dare challenge the official media line, even implicitly? Therefore, the article's import, xxxxx claimed, is that it demonstrates the "slight loosening" of Party propaganda guidance on Tibet coverage beginning in late March, which purportedly allows for the "more nuanced" reporting advocated in the Southern Weekend article itself.

¶10. (C) Similarly, xxxxx was not aware of the articles. After listening to PolOff's explanation of them, however, xxxxx
commented that the pieces likely represent the fact that there is "room for diversity" under the Propaganda Department's latest guidance. (Note: Despite this supposed "room" for more nuanced reporting on Tibet, xxxxx said Tibet is "far too sensitive" and his magazine has therefore decided "not to touch" the story for now.xxxxx, reportedly have been "ordered" to produce cover stories on Tibet under "very strict" guidelines from the Propaganda Department.)

Party Buoyed by Nationalist Sentiment...
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¶11. (C) Almost all of xxxxx the Party has been buoyed by rising nationalist sentiment, fueled in part by anger at the West over "biased" media reporting on Tibet and Olympic-related protests.xxxxx all emphasized to PolOff that Chinese "anger" over the West's "bias" on Tibet is real, widespread and will have long-term effects. xxxxx them seemed themselves to be angry over Western media reporting, refusing to recognize the irony that for most Chinese, their only access to this "biased Western reporting" is through the official PRC press agency Xinhua's characterization of it. xxxxx emphasized that virtually "everyone" he knows is angry and believes that Western reporting, together with calls for boycotting the Olympic opening ceremony, implies support for Tibetan independence and makes the public feel that the West is trying to "keep China down." xxxxx, meanwhile, said nationalism is definitely surging, but he thought this
sentiment is largely concentrated in the 25-35-year-old age group among both Hans and Tibetans.

¶12. (C) Whatever the causes of the surge in nationalism, the result has been a dramatic increase in support for the
Party's policy on Tibet, contacts say. xxxxx said this outcome is partly a "natural" reaction to the fact that Chinese have in recent years become more nationalistic as a result of growing pride over China's rapid development, with the Tibet furor merely providing the most recent "spark" to inflame passions. xxxx separately acknowledged, however, that the Party's propaganda line has also purposefully stoked nationalistic feelings in order to rally the public in support of the
Center's Tibet policy, and so far, it has been very successful in doing so. The recent Tibet crisis has "completely unified" the people behind the Party and Government, something that had been "unthinkable" throughout most of the 1980s and 1990s,xxxxx asserted.

...But Also Constrained by Popular Passions
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¶13. (C) Although support for the Party over Tibet is currently quite high, popular passions also serve to constrain the leadership's options, xxxxx warned. Nationalism remains one "pillar" of Party rule, but central leaders do not want to let these feelings "spin out of control," xxxxx said. Perhaps reflecting these concerns, the Propaganda Department earlier this month reportedly directed that attacks on the Western press in China's official media be curtailed, according xxxxx

xxxxx. That has not, however, stopped Chinese bloggers from continuing their attacks via the Internet, xxxxx observed.xxxxx also expressed concern about the long-term implications of the surge in nationalism, noting that "nothing is ever completely good." At any rate, there is "virtually no way" the Center could initiate a change in policy toward Tibet and the Dalai Lama, at least in the short term, given the popular anger over such issues, xxxxx said.

Policy Change Unlikely in the Short Term
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¶14. (C) Major policy adjustment on Tibet is highly unlikely for the foreseeable future for a host of reasons other than
popular sentiment, at least until after the Olympics, contacts say. Given Hu's own legacy in Tibet, where he cracked down on similar demonstrations in 1987 and 1989, Hu Jintao will likely be loath to adopt a "softer" line, lest his own policies and past actions come under criticism, xxxxx argued. Moreover, it will be almost "impossible" for Chinese leaders to reorient policy if they look like they are doing so under international pressure, xxxxx assessed. Moreover, xxxxx observed, domestic stability remains the leadership's top priority above all else, meaning there will "almost surely" be no relaxation of the current hard line on Tibet or in places like Xinjiang. xxxxx said he sensed Chinese leaders worry they could lose control of Tibet if they do not maintain tight control there, which would have both domestic consequences and could invite "unwanted interference" from India.

¶15. (C) While staging a successful Olympics is also a priority, xxxxx said he senses the leadership has assessed that at a minimum, athletes will show up to the Games. As a result, the Center is starting to adjust public expectations about the Games by saying that, even if there is a "boycott" of the opening ceremony, that is not important, given that it is the IOC and respective National Olympic Committees, not the Chinese Government, hat decide whether to invite national leaders. (Note: xxxxx disagreed, saying that, in his view, the success of the Games for Chinese leaders hinges on whether President Bush attends the opening ceremonies.) xxxxx said that Hu Jintao's comments on April 12 to Australian PM Rudd on the margins of the Bo'ao Forum, which were reported via Xinhua and reflected China's hard-line stance on Tibet to date, signaled that domestically there is "no room for debate" on the Tibet issue. Only after Tibetan areas have
"settled down" and the Olympics have concluded, will there be any chance for a possible review of Tibet policy, he asserted.
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vera_k, If you took the time to locate the data, please do post the text for eveyrone's edification. Thanks, ramana
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Hillary Clinton: Then And Now On Internet Freedoms And Censorship

Further reading the link quoted in the above articl about HC's lecture from State Dept:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2010/01/135519.htm
Remarks
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
The Newseum
Washington, DC
January 21, 2010 - Long but worth reading in full
Some excerpts:
I wish to acknowledge Charles Overby, the CEO of Freedom Forum here at the Newseum; Senator Edward Kaufman and Senator Joe Lieberman, my former colleagues in the Senate, both of whom worked for passage of the Voice Act, which speaks to Congress’s and the American people’s commitment to internet freedom, a commitment that crosses party lines and branches of government.
During his visit to China in November, for example, President Obama held a town hall meeting with an online component to highlight the importance of the internet. In response to a question that was sent in over the internet, he defended the right of people to freely access information, and said that the more freely information flows, the stronger societies become. He spoke about how access to information helps citizens hold their own governments accountable, generates new ideas, encourages creativity and entrepreneurship. The United States belief in that ground truth is what brings me here today.
On their own, new technologies do not take sides in the struggle for freedom and progress, but the United States does. We stand for a single internet where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas. And we recognize that the world’s information infrastructure will become what we and others make of it. Now, this challenge may be new, but our responsibility to help ensure the free exchange of ideas goes back to the birth of our republic. The words of the First Amendment to our Constitution are carved in 50 tons of Tennessee marble on the front of this building. And every generation of Americans has worked to protect the values etched in that stone
Some countries have erected electronic barriers that prevent their people from accessing portions of the world’s networks. They’ve expunged words, names, and phrases from search engine results. They have violated the privacy of citizens who engage in non-violent political speech. :lol: These actions contravene the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, which tells us that all people have the right “to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.” With the spread of these restrictive practices, a new information curtain is descending across much of the world. And beyond this partition, viral videos and blog posts are becoming the samizdat of our day.
And I’m proud that the State Department is already working in more than 40 countries to help individuals silenced by oppressive governments. We are making this issue a priority at the United Nations as well, and we’re including internet freedom as a component in the first resolution :eek: we introduced after returning to the United Nations Human Rights Council.
We have taken steps as a government, and as a Department, to find diplomatic solutions to strengthen global cyber security. We have a lot of people in the State Department working on this. They’ve joined together, and we created two years ago an office to coordinate foreign policy in cyberspace. We’ve worked to address this challenge at the UN and in other multilateral forums and to put cyber security on the world’s agenda. And President Obama has just appointed a new national cyberspace policy coordinator who will help us work even more closely to ensure that everyone’s networks stay free, secure, and reliable.
That’s why today I’m announcing that over the next year, we will work with partners in industry, academia, and nongovernmental organizations to establish a standing effort that will harness the power of connection technologies and apply them to our diplomatic goals. :eek:
As it stands, Americans can consider information presented by foreign governments. We do not block your attempts to communicate with the people in the United States. :lol:
Now, we are reinvigorating the Global Internet Freedom Task Force as a forum for addressing threats to internet freedom around the world, and we are urging U.S. media companies to take a proactive role in challenging foreign governments’ demands for censorship and surveillance. The private sector has a shared responsibility to help safeguard free expression. And when their business dealings threaten to undermine this freedom, they need to consider what’s right, not simply what’s a quick profit.

We’re also encouraged by the work that’s being done through the Global Network Initiative, a voluntary effort by technology companies who are working with nongovernmental organizations, academic experts, and social investment funds to respond to government requests for censorship. :eek: The initiative goes beyond mere statements of principles and establishes mechanisms to promote real accountability and transparency. As part of our commitment to support responsible private sector engagement on information freedom, the State Department will be convening a high-level meeting next month co-chaired by Under Secretaries Robert Hormats and Maria Otero to bring together firms that provide network services for talks about internet freedom, because we want to have a partnership in addressing this 21st century challenge.
WOW! I am done quoting this stuff but what a blowback. When she gave this speech, JA was very much in the play/know.
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US to federal workers: If you read WikiLeaks, you're breaking the law
In the view of the US government, many of the WikiLeaks documents are still classified, and reading classified documents without clearance is illegal. Critics say the warning is censorship.
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Reading Wikileaks forbidden.
Welcome to the "United Soviets of America"!
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RajeshA wrote:Just a few examples, that their relationship is quite cordial, and politically they are on the same page. Jemima continues to be knee-deep in Pakistani politics and interests.
And, for his part, Imran Khan, solicited support from British-Pakistani voters in London for Jemima's brother in recent elections.
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RajeshA - thanks, educational
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SSridhar wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Just a few examples, that their relationship is quite cordial, and politically they are on the same page. Jemima continues to be knee-deep in Pakistani politics and interests.
And, for his part, Imran Khan, solicited support from British-Pakistani voters in London for Jemima's brother in recent elections.
Thanks, SSridhar garu.

Their divorce is a convenience for both of them. This way Imran Khan is not required to teach his wife the merits of the Burka and the four walls of house, and secondly as a UK socialite, she is far more useful to him and his politics, than Jemima locked up in Peshawar.
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I thought the hag has left the paki rag Nation. But it appears this rag is making up some cables and publishing as news.
Look at this so called cable about Gen. Deepak Kapoor


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SSridhar wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Just a few examples, that their relationship is quite cordial, and politically they are on the same page. Jemima continues to be knee-deep in Pakistani politics and interests.
And, for his part, Imran Khan, solicited support from British-Pakistani voters in London for Jemima's brother in recent elections.
RajeshA wrote: Thanks, SSridhar garu.

Their divorce is a convenience for both of them. This way Imran Khan is not required to teach his wife the merits of the Burka and the four walls of house, and secondly as a UK socialite, she is far more useful to him and his politics, than Jemima locked up in Peshawar.
Just to add to what Sridharsaar posted, Jemima is still a practising Muslim with 2 children from Imran Khan and whose custody she shares with him.
From Wiki : Jemima Khan
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Marriage to Imran Khan
At 21, Jemima Goldsmith married the 42-year old retired Pakistani cricketer Imran Khan on 16 May 1995 in a traditional Islamic ceremony in Paris.[5] The couple later participated in a civil ceremony on 21 June at the Richmond Register Office, which was followed by a midsummer ball at Ormeley Lodge. Upon her marriage and subsequent move to Lahore, while her husband pursued politics, Khan underwent what she later called a reinvention. Raised a Protestant, she converted to Islam a few months before her wedding, citing the writings of Muhammad Asad, Gai Eaton, and Alija Izetbegović as her influences. She also learned to speak Urdu and wore traditional Pakistani clothes. In 2008, she wrote that she "over-conformed in [her] eagerness to be accepted" into the "new and radically different culture" of Pakistan.

While married, the couple spent four months each year in the UK and she gave birth to her sons at London's Portland Hospital. In 1999, in an accusation believed to have been politically motivated, Khan was charged in Pakistan with the non-bailable crime of illegally exporting tiles claimed to be centuries-old antiques of the Islamic era. She stayed with her mother for a year due to fear of incarceration and returned to Pakistan only after the case was dropped following General Pervez Musharraf's military coup. She returned to the UK full-time in 2002. After Khan decided she should divorce Imran because he never had time for his family, their divorce was announced on 22 June 2004. She later recalled, "I now think, my God, I mean, how did I live five years with Imran’s whole family, who I was very close to? I mean, I really liked and respected them, but obviously, they lived very, very differently."
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and also from Wiki : Imran Khan
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Family, education, and personal life

Imran Khan was born to Shaukat Khanum (Burki) and Ikramullah Khan Niazi, a civil engineer, in Lahore. A quiet and shy boy in his youth, Khan grew up in a middle-class Niazi Pathan family with four sisters. Settled in Punjab, Khan's father descended from the Pashtun (Pathan) Niazi Shermankhel tribe of Mianwali in Punjab . Imran's Mother Shaukat Khanam (Burki's) family includes successful hockey players and cricketers such as Javed Burki and Majid Khan. Khan was educated at Aitchison College, the Cathedral School in Lahore, and the Royal Grammar School Worcester in England, where he excelled at cricket. In 1972, he enrolled to study Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Keble College, Oxford, where he graduated with a second-class degree in Politics and a third in Economics.

On 16 May 1995, Khan married English socialite Jemima Goldsmith, a convert to Islam, in a two-minute Islamic ceremony in Paris. A month later, on 21 June, they were married again in a civil ceremony at the Richmond register office in England, followed by a reception at the Goldsmiths' house in Surrey. The marriage, described as "tough" by Khan, produced two sons, Sulaiman Isa (born 18 November 1996) and Kasim (born 10 April 1999). As an agreement of his marriage, Khan spent four months a year in England. On 22 June 2004, it was announced that the Khans had divorced because it was "difficult for Jemima to adapt to life in Pakistan".

Khan now resides in Bani Gala, Islamabad, where he built a farmhouse with the money he gained from selling his London flat. He grows fruit trees, wheat, and keeps cows, while also maintaining a cricket ground for his two sons, who visit during their holidays.
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I think I got to know Jemima Khan more closely than I wished.
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saip wrote:I thought the hag has left the paki rag Nation. But it appears this rag is making up some cables and publishing as news.
Look at this so called cable about Gen. Deepak Kapoor


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Interesting focus on Y-Y- Y axes. The TSP guy wants to gather Yemrican views on tehother two Ys.

He doesn't bother about Yemrica's views on TSP Army!

Thanks Saip.

Also wonder why Indian press hasn't seen these cables. Maybe they were to engrossed in 2g scam and other local things. Or are observing US govt guidelines on Wikipees to ensure future job prospects are not affected. 8)
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I think Pak media is upset with the negative image being reinfirced by the wikipees and hence this feeble attempt to show Y-Y also in somewhat dim light.

next step is since the founder is under arrest makeup cables and reclaim their soup-e-rear image in yet unseen cables.
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Also wonder why Indian press hasn't seen these cables
Has ANYONE seen these cables? I have checked the wiki leaks website and there are not there. There are only 4/5 from New Delhi.
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saip, Even the Indian press seems to have access to more than the 4-5 cables.
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