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Muppalla wrote: See there is an anology that can be drawn from theat pic to that of what told to Rommer. He is sending a message. The Caption should be "See folks if I am not a celebrity and take a girl with this dress to B'lore club Ramsena would have attacked us but LeT would never attack. You see.. who is the biggest threat? LeT of Hindu orgs? " It is his way of giving proof with peaceful protest. :)
You're assessment is correct. LeT is just a 15 min issue. And his main votebank in Amethi and fanbase in UP is OBC+Muslims, that's always going to be at the back of his head as a budding MP who is waiting to step into MMS shoes.

Local ramsena types who would hound him out of parks and clubs or create issues on valentine's day are far bigger threats to baba.
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The US embassy cable mentions finance minister Pranab Mukherjee among the "heavyweights" who opposed Singh's outreach to Pakistan even when terror threats continued
I may look like spinning a story but why not :). To me this whole wikileaks is a joke as I mentioned umpteen times.

Again the US is successful by this leak to call out Pranab Da is not their favorable leader. Among the so called "heavyweights", the name of Pranab Da is appearing but not others. What that means is so far - They don't want anyone other than MMS as PM including the yuvaraj. So they sent a message to their viceroys in India that do not change the PM and we like MMS the darling.
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ramana wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Remember, Strobe Talbott was also very worried about Hindu extremism.
However Strobe Talbott is a US citizen and not discussing it with Indina ambassodor in DC. Please don't bring irrelevant examples unless you think in terms of World citizen psy-ops.
From Strobe Talbott's book, it is clear that Americans were worried about "Hindu extremism". So Rahul Gandhi thought that this is the best way to be in their good books.
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his main votebank in Amethi and fanbase in UP is OBC+Muslims
You may be surprised to know that it is Forward castes who support this clown in Amethi. BCs never voted for Congress in UP.
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brihaspati wrote:
Mauli wrote:Wikileaks cable on Rahul may mar Congress gala

http://www.rediff.com/news/special/wiki ... 101217.htm
Vinod Sharma's comments are even more fantastic - in defense of RG's supposed statements - he thinks there will be civil war only when "Hindu terror" happens. So there will be no civil war - that is no opposition if terrors are continued by non-Hindus?

Oh, why , why dont they talk more often! it would be such great fun!
yes, the Hindustan Times confirmed again that they are a Congress stooge paper.

The issue of ownership in media needs to be revisited as part of this churning. HT is owned by Shobhana Bhartia of the KK Birla group. Would be good to see some repurcussions on this group - when they have identified so visibly with the Congress, it is only fair for the opposition / opposition supporters to ostracise the group and its products.
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Mauli wrote:
his main votebank in Amethi and fanbase in UP is OBC+Muslims
You may be surprised to know that it is Forward castes who support this clown in Amethi. BCs never voted for Congress in UP.
Is that true? I am of the opinion that the reason why Congress despite all its corruption and some elements blatantly anti-national, still survive and show no sign of collapsing is precisely because coalition of Muslims & overwhelming number of "lower & backward" castes support them no matter what. While BJP is viewed as a Brahmin elite party and hence has no chance of ever coming back to power.
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Brilliant take by the HT.

Prof. Rahul’s tryst with Wikileaks
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CRamS wrote:
Mauli wrote:
You may be surprised to know that it is Forward castes who support this clown in Amethi. BCs never voted for Congress in UP.
Is that true? I am of the opinion that the reason why Congress despite all its corruption and some elements blatantly anti-national, still survive and show no sign of collapsing is precisely because coalition of Muslims & overwhelming number of "lower & backward" castes support them no matter what. While BJP is viewed as a Brahmin elite party and hence has no chance of ever coming back to power.
Mauli is correct. Amethi Brahmins are amongst major fan base of baba and dynasty. Then there is the Amethi Harijan and Muslims. Amethi Brahmins supported IG because she created a lot of jobs in that district for them and had personal rapport with most of them. They continue their patronage.
Again the US is successful by this leak to call out Pranab Da is not their favorable leader. Among the so called "heavyweights", the name of Pranab Da is appearing but not others. What that means is so far - They don't want anyone other than MMS as PM including the yuvaraj. So they sent a message to their viceroys in India that do not change the PM and we like MMS the darling.
Like father like son. They have a feeling that Rahul will follow in his father's footsteps. Rajiv saw better sense in his latter days and veered towards nationalism. Pranab has close links with communists and is a chip off the old-block of Nehruvian Socialism steeped in Indianism and IGs 'Hindu Rate of Growth' era. He reminds them of the Chinese.
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Is that true?
Yes!
I am of the opinion that the reason why Congress despite all its corruption and some elements blatantly anti-national, still survive and show no sign of collapsing is precisely because coalition of Muslims & overwhelming number of "lower & backward" castes support them no matter what.
Let us confine discussion to the cow belt states i.e UP & Bihar. During Pre-mandal days it used to be Brahmin-Muslim-Harijan(13+15+22>=40%) voting in toto for Congress. More than 60%-70% Thakurs, Kayasthas and other FCs too voted for congress other than special situation like 1977. Since, 1947 to 1989 BC always voted for non congress parties. It was Mandal Vs Kamandal which destroyed this unbeatable combination with FCs moving towards BJP and Muslims going to Janta Dal parties and BSP of Mayawati taking SCs. It is because of this that Congress got <10 seats during 90s and early 2000s.

After, VP Singh introducing Mandal And Advani Bringing Kamandal BCs were divided between BJP and Janta dal parties. Yadavas were solidly behind Yadav duo of Mulayam and LAlu while non Yadava BCs were with BJP. It is this FC+BC combination which made BJP getting as much as 60/85 seats in UP. Recently, in Bihar it is this combination which broke all electoral records.

Now, how BJP got destroyed in UP?, credit goes to ABV. He kicked out each and every BC leader of any significance starting with Kalyan singh and promoting Chamchas and baseless leaders without any mass base. After seeing through the fraud of RJBM, Brahmins want to return to Congress. Muslims will not vote for congress unless they are sure that it is in position to win. During last election, in some parts of UP Congress was able to revive that old equation partially with Brahmins and Muslims coming to gather and hence 20+ tally of Congress in UP.

It is this old combination of (Brhahmin+Mulsim+ SCs(atleast non Chamar untill Matawati is alive)) which Rahul is trying to revive before he sits on PM Gaddi.

Let us pray for the safety of Mayawati and Nitish kumar given the desperation of Rajmata(and her masters).

While BJP is viewed as a Brahmin elite party and hence has no chance of ever coming back to power.
Let us not have any hope from BJP. its middle and lower rung may be OK but its top leadership is compromised. Just look at how RSS and nationlists in BJP were left holding can when ABV got Gaddi. Infact, those who couldn't keep quite were humiliated and thrown out.
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Eons ago, when that pic came up in some mailing list, a dear friend of mine(who is a little bit openly Bi ) said Shree Rahul is more attractive than his lady friend and started waxing eloquent on his features. Lot of us were like, "dude.... shut up!! You destroyed that photo forever. Now even if they get married and he become PM, we will keep thinking of your descriptions rather than drool at Govt approved centerspreads of the Mr & Mrs Second Citijens"...... :oops:

Moral: we need to absorb what is needed for personal consumption and not splash it out in open (including like me above :evil: ).... moving on.

Does anyone here have any doubts on the need to revamp International Red Cross, considering the way they have been "secretly briefing US Embassy on Cashmere". Why should we trust the current setup, if, as its actions show, believes US is impartial and such transgressions as they themselves have observed in Gitmo, Abu Gharaib etc are forgiven?

Why should they be treated as a neutral in any war, if this is their behavior during peace time?
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Amethi Brahmins are amongst major fan base of baba and dynasty.
No originally its thakurs who acted as henchmen for Congress when Sanjay gandhi decided to fight elections from Amethi. This was due to Sanjay Singh, Raja of Amethi and NDTIWARIGIRI pal of Sanjay GAndhi.
Now, due to sops almost every body support.Also, Congress always cuts deal with Mulayam and Maywati for the safe passage of dynasty members. But it is FCs who are at the forefront during election days.

If Mulayam and Mayawati decides to teach dynasty a lesson, i am pretty sure with all the sops RG will have very tough time.
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Muppalla wrote:Again the US is successful by this leak to call out Pranab Da is not their favorable leader. Among the so called "heavyweights", the name of Pranab Da is appearing but not others. What that means is so far - They don't want anyone other than MMS as PM including the yuvaraj. So they sent a message to their viceroys in India that do not change the PM and we like MMS the darling.
So which other name should have appeared out there? Is it PC, or Antony? And by not mentioning them does it imply that the US is supporting them? A little bit of CT is harmless, but when we have multiple posters taking off from your conclusions, we need to be sure that what you are concluding has no alternative simpler explanations.
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I liked the way Jayanti bleats. Watch when Ajit Doval speaks.
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To be fair, if you compare with next zen politicians like Billwal Bhutto and this retarded clown prince, both have a chance to become the future prospective PM of their respective countries. Billwal will be far qualified not only because he is the son of Benazir Bhutto, grand son of Zulifiqar Ali Bhutto ,but for his academic accomplishments. He has already graduated in June 2010 in Modern History from University of Oxford. At least he is going to have respectable, presentable resume for such a high profile job, and he is also probably not going to need Bill Gates or Milliband for a TV managed "Dalit sleep over" campaign for a profile booster to compensate his, otherwise, million dollar extravagant pre-political treasured experiences with roadside stray canine whor**, as part of the resume as a budding future PM.
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UPA pandering to Iran, top security official wants to visit America

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/extor ... ce/726219/
(Chairman of the PM’s National Security Advisory Board, K V) Rajan told Charge (Charge de affairs) that this trip was part of an effort on the part of the Iranian government to encourage anti-American, pro-Muslim scholars and think-tankers in India to influence Prime Minister Singh’s supporters to take a more pro-Iranian, anti-US view, and that his presence on the delegation would have handed Iran a PR coup. In light of his suspicions, Rajan canceled at the last minute, citing a sudden family emergency.... To counter this new and worrying effort to reach out to Indian opinion makers, Rajan proposed a visit to the US starting May 14 in his NSAB capacity for five to seven days to talk to officials, think tanks, and the intelligence community to discuss ways to understand better US assessments of Iran. He would expect this to feed into NSAB discussion of Iran policy options.... The United Progressive Alliance government is deeply interested in appeasing its Muslim and Left Front supporters, and is concerned about the outcome of elections in Uttar Pradesh, where a large number of Muslim constituents reside.
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Didn’t give Geelani visa, shouldn’t give Majid either; have to be neutral over Kashmir

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/extor ... ce/726219/


June 4, 2007: Seeking advice on visa for former Ikhwan leader usman abdul majid

Beginning in early 1990s, India’s security forces used Ikhwan (Ikhawan-ul-Musilmeen) to combat terrorism in the Valley. Known for its brutal and corrupt practices, Ikhwan is notorious for its use of torture, extra-judicial killing, rape, and extortion of Kashmiri civilians suspected of harboring or facilitating terrorists... Ikhawan has a reputation... for committing brutal human rights abuses... (MLA and former Ikhwan leader Usman Abdul) Majid’s reputation in the Kashmir Valley is one of the worst among those associated with the GOI (Government of India). In light of our rejection of the Geelani visa, we will not be able to maintain our record of neutrality in the Kashmir dispute if we grant this visa. Nonetheless, denying his application may have some repercussions with GOI officials, especially those from India’s Intelligence Bureau....
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/extor ... e/726219/4
Feel in my bones Headley wasn’t acting alone in India, said Chidambaram

Feb 26, 2010: Home Minister confides to FBI

Director his thoughts on Headley

In a February 23 meeting, FBI Director Robert Mueller told Indian Home Affairs Minister P Chidambaram that the USG (US Government) would continue to cooperate with the GOI in providing information on the David Headley case and other cases involving terrorism directed at India... Mueller observed that Headley has expressed hatred toward India and may “clam up” if his guilty plea is tied in any way to cooperation with the GOI... After thanking Mueller for the “outstanding cooperation” displayed by the USG, Chidambaram stated that... GOI investigators had developed information on their own through examination of Headley’s computer and emails. Chidambaram insisted that the GOI have access to Headley: “we must be able to say we had access, even if Headley did not speak”.... Chidambaram confided that “I have a feeling in my bones that Headley was not acting alone” in India and expressed frustration over what he characterized as Headley’s false claim that he had no accomplices in India.
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Aug 4, 2006 When ‘garrulous’ Sonia opened up to Gov. Arnie’s wife

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/extor ... e/726219/5
In a relaxed August 3 conversation with California First Lady (Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger’s wife) Maria Shriver, Sonia Gandhi revealed a rare glimpse of herself. She spoke at great length... demonstrated a strong commitment to a progressive left-of-center agenda. She was also realistic, revealing an in-depth knowledge of Indian culture, especially the rural/urban divide. She spoke about the compulsions of political life... Her comments and demeanor put the lie to cocktail party suggestions that she courts Manmohan Singh’s job.

The Indian woman’s burden...

Mrs Gandhi (said) the situation for women in India is more troubling and traumatic than that in the US..., as Indian women must deal with myriad problems not found in the west, such as child labor. In addition, most Indian women live in remote villages with severe “cultural compulsions” that work against women, making it difficult for the GOI to enforce the law....

... And that of her own

Without prompting..., Mrs Gandhi spoke at length about her personal life. She revealed that after her mother -in-law’s murder Rajiv Gandhi was under intense pressure to take up the political mantle of the Gandhi family, but both Rajiv and Sonia... had no interest in politics. According to Mrs Gandhi, she urged her husband repeatedly to avoid politics, but he insisted... After her husband’s assassination, she withdrew, (but) as “the right was becoming strong in India and Congress weak,” (she was) “compelled”... to enter politics. She also revealed that her children were “not keen”, but eventually told her, “whatever you decide, we will back you”.
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US felt removal of Shivraj Patil after 26/11 was inevitable: WikiLeaks

After 26/11, the US felt that the removal of "spectacularly inept" Shivraj Patil as home minister was inevitable although he had been "protected" by Congress chief Sonia Gandhi despite being found "asleep on the watch" during earlier terror strikes in various cities.
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Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday reacted on Rahul Gandhi’s wikileaks issue in Mumbai.

I have been wondering for a long time now that the whole world believes that Pakistan is a terrorist state, yet the US always backs the country. I always wondered about this but never got an answer. However, yesterday after the cables were out, it got clear that who gave inspiration to the US to speak pro-Pakistan.”

http://deshgujarat.com/2010/12/18/naren ... ssuevideo/
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Surprisingly, I find myself agreeing with Manmohan Singh today. The poor fellow was actually crititized by many in 2005 for his statement that the British Raj had its benefits. As an insider he obviously knew the situation firsthand - fortunately or unfortunately wikileaks and radiagate have transformed the public at large into insiders....Woudn't be surprised if a poll taken today finds a majority agreeing that the British Raj was better than the current INC one in many ways.
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Aug 4, 2006 When ‘garrulous’ Sonia opened up to Gov. Arnie’s wife

The Indian woman’s burden...

Mrs Gandhi (said) the situation for women in India is more troubling and traumatic than that in the US..., as Indian women must deal with myriad problems not found in the west, such as child labor. In addition, most Indian women live in remote villages with severe “cultural compulsions” that work against women, making it difficult for the GOI to enforce the law....
Shameful of sonia to badmouth India in front of foreign guests.

This clearly shows sonia's mentality, she still considers herself to be first Italian and then Indian

Big mistake by congress party in choosing her as party president,

Like a leech she is draining all the money from india to her swiss bank accounts
... And that of her own
Without prompting..., Mrs Gandhi spoke at length about her personal life. She revealed that after her mother -in-law’s murder Rajiv Gandhi was under intense pressure to take up the political mantle of the Gandhi family, but both Rajiv and Sonia... had no interest in politics. According to Mrs Gandhi, she urged her husband repeatedly to avoid politics, but he insisted... After her husband’s assassination, she withdrew, (but) as “the right was becoming strong in India and Congress weak,” (she was) “compelled”... to enter politics. She also revealed that her children were “not keen”, but eventually told her, “whatever you decide, we will back you”.
What phucking burden is this sonia carrying? She always has something to whine about, if she feels uneasy why doesnt she go back to the job she trained for. Pizza hut has a vacancy for waitresses, manish tiwari can make sifarish too and get her the job.

She has enjoyed a easy life all these years on indian people's money, let her work and see how hard it is to earn money.
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Arjun wrote:Woudn't be surprised if a poll taken today finds a majority agreeing that the British Raj was better than the current INC one in many ways.
Dont belittle the death of millions by making such comparisons. Most people dislike corrupt congress party rule but nobody wants to suffer the british tyranny again.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 96#p994396
jambudvipa wrote:I have started off on the counter. I did the count for the famines first as the sources are most easily accessible.
Has been a painful excercise. The upper end of the count comes to 85 million. i will post the references in the following post.
In 6 months ill probably move onto the next phase ie Indian casualities in the wars with British.
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Raghavendra wrote:
Aug 4, 2006 When ‘garrulous’ Sonia opened up to Gov. Arnie’s wife

The Indian woman’s burden...

Mrs Gandhi (said) the situation for women in India is more troubling and traumatic than that in the US..., as Indian women must deal with myriad problems not found in the west, such as child labor. In addition, most Indian women live in remote villages with severe “cultural compulsions” that work against women, making it difficult for the GOI to enforce the law....
Shameful of sonia to badmouth India in front of foreign guests.
An insider would never, never use the language that Sonia used, more especially someone whose responsibility and mandate it is to better the lot of the country and remove the problems that she spends time in identifying. No US / European / Chinese governmental leader would have used this kind of language while talking to a foreigner....this is the classic language of someone who perceives herself to be an outsider, separate from the world that she is describing and who has been inserted into the landscape to rule and bring in required changes for the uncivilized masses. Classic Viceroyal language !!
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habal wrote:
You're assessment is correct. LeT is just a 15 min issue. And his main votebank in Amethi and fanbase in UP is OBC+Muslims, that's always going to be at the back of his head as a budding MP who is waiting to step into MMS shoes.

Local ramsena types who would hound him out of parks and clubs or create issues on valentine's day are far bigger threats to baba.
Predominant support to Congress in UP is from the UP Brahmins. It is the BJP’s votebase that has shifted to Congress.

We must appreciate that UP is all about Caste. And castes in UP vote for such coalitions that provide them access to power. Brahmins see congress as the only feasible option that may provide them this access .

Digvijay & Rahul's comments are an indication that they are comfortable about the loyalty of their present vote-bank, and are therefore making deep raids into the Mulayam territory.

It is also clear that symbolic visits to Dalit houses by Rahul has not cast much dent in the Mayawati's votebase, therefore the visible change in the target audience by the Rahul coterie.

I must also add that the post-hindutva BJP’s performance was a huge betrayal to the nationalist cause in UP. Hindutva, esp the Ramjanambhoomi movement, was essentially operating under an egalitarian theme.

However, the maladroit and Upper caste-prejudiced opposition to Kalyan Singh within the BJP severely harmed the party. Making their mass votaries, swayed by the all encompassing cultural nationalism, fall back to their recidivist caste affiliations.
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Raghavendra wrote:Dont belittle the death of millions by making such comparisons. Most people dislike corrupt congress party rule but nobody wants to suffer the british tyranny again.
Lighten up....MMS was justly panned for his statement, but if ever there was a time when his statement seems close to ringing true -that time is now. Public confidence in the country's institutions and most especially on the ruling dispensation is at its nadir, and it does not help that the leaks portray a picture of a dynastic family that is out of touch with the roots of the country.
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Modi, Thackeray slam Rahul over WikiLeaks
"Through the WikiLeaks expose, it has been revealed who has given all the information to the US. Now, it is clear why the US is backing Pakistan," Modi said.


This a huge blunder on part of the Kangress. If the Hindus can be made to desert the Kangress then they will be wipped out in UP.

The question is is BJP upto the task. Either alone or in cooperation with BSP.
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Arjun wrote:
Muppalla wrote:Again the US is successful by this leak to call out Pranab Da is not their favorable leader. Among the so called "heavyweights", the name of Pranab Da is appearing but not others. What that means is so far - They don't want anyone other than MMS as PM including the yuvaraj. So they sent a message to their viceroys in India that do not change the PM and we like MMS the darling.
So which other name should have appeared out there? Is it PC, or Antony? And by not mentioning them does it imply that the US is supporting them? A little bit of CT is harmless, but when we have multiple posters taking off from your conclusions, we need to be sure that what you are concluding has no alternative simpler explanations.
That is my read from the wiki leaks. Everyone is presenting their minds. My take is very simple and I never ask anyone to follow mine. I read all that presented by others. I don't see any CT as far as wikileaks and my thoughts are concerned. Anything that you did not get a confirmation via press conference by Mrs.Clinton or Mr.MMS doesn't mean they are CTs. Deductions and analysis from news and event cannot be called as CTs.

Here is my take again.
(1) Wikileaks are not some real leaks. They are deliberate and selective.
(2) From a global persepective US is attempting to show that they are not anti-Islam (particularly showing pro-Sunni) in spite of their drone attacks and smoking out al-keeda
(3) In pusuit of (2) above, they have leaked stuff where some arab countires asking even Israel to attack Iran. Saudhi Arabia's prince directly requested US to takeout Nukes of Iran.
(4) Continuing same line of pro-sunni, they go to the extent of telling to Paki audience, yes we understand the problem of Kashmir and we are sympathetic to your point of view. They go to the length of leaking tourturing JK civilians.
(5) Further to that they go to the lenght of leaking how they are working with India's charming leaders like Rahul Gandhi who actually in agreement that LeT is not the real threat but it was Hindus.

That is the essential message that they sent to globe in the name of leaks. The leaks are coming one at a time and not all 250,000 at one place. They may keep coming for the rest of our lives and they may based on the required context onlee.

From purely Indo-US point of view also I see:
(1) They think that Indo-US Nuke deal is served on a plate by MMS inspite of all the constraints. Hence they see a friend in MMS and they just don't want a change. Especially they do not want Pranab Da and his left oriented anti-US drivel. They made it clear.
(2) They don't even want the Yuvraaj as his extreme pro-Mullah apeasement puts him to anti-US club.

From the sequence of the leaks that is really apparent and where is CT? If you go by record of US state department, these are real leaks done and they sorry. If you think they are right then that is your take. I don't buy that.
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All of wikileaks will have conversation record (such as with Rahul, Sonia, Maria Shriver, MKN) etc with how many people around the globe - 500+ at a minimum ? Do you think those are doctored or they are the 10% as claimed by SwamyG that is not doctored? If they are doctored - is it possible to have a conspiracy with 500+ people without the matter being leaked (!) by one of these 500 at some point? The logistics of carrying out something like this does not make sense to me....anyway there is a possibility you are right and we will know more as the leaks are made public.

One CT that does interest me - are RG (& therefore US as you suggest) setting the stage for the theme of Hindus as villians to come true?
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So has the push for "Internet clampdown" started with Wikileaks as the trojan horse?
UN mulls internet regulation options -- WikiLeaks sparks push for tighter controls.
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lol... So the entire cable dump thing is doctored? I thought such outrageous conspiracy nonsense can only be found in Paki foras. Guess I was wrong.

I wish the "Top Secret" stuff had gotten leaked instead of this stuff classified plain "Secret". It's the Top secret ones which will really expose U.S Duplicity and Double Standards.
Rahul Gandhi "warns" US that Hindu groups more dangerous than LeT
Unbelievable! What a moron! Finally his intelligence is out in the open for the country to see. God help us all if he becomes the PM. He's like the Sarah Palin of India.
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is it possible to get an updated and consolidated text of wikipee dumps on India specific portions only, here, from time to time? That can help in re-evaluating older information.
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Rahul Gandhi "warns" US that Hindu groups more dangerous than LeT
Unbelievable! What a moron! Finally his intelligence is out in the open for the country to see. God help us all if he becomes the PM. He's like the Sarah Palin of India



Sarah palin loves her country unlike Rajmata Luna and Rajputra Dushasan . It is not his fault , It was not him but the instinctive force of the Sanskars flowing in the bloodline of Nehru Khandan going back to the patriach Gangu serving the Mooghals.
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... eader.html
US believes Sonia not a strong leader
It said: "The Congress party, led by Sonia Gandhi, has proved especially cautious and nervous in the face of recent extortionist tactics by Karat. With two huge confrontations in its future - Parliament and Gujarat - it will remain true to its cautious form by seeking first to gauge its levels of support before finally being forced - if absolutely needed - to take action."The leaked cable further stated: "With the future of Indian foreign credibility hanging in balance, Sonia Gandhi has been unable to show principled leadership even when it might benefit her party in the polls and reveal Prakash Karat to be the extortionist he is."What the US called "nervousness" was actually the reluctance on the Congress president's part to sever ties with the CPM and run the risk of destabilising the government, or fill in the spot left vacant by the Left party with the likes of the Samajwadi Party (SP) which still had Amar Singh at the helm of affairs. The Congress later took a calculated risk and the Gandhis supported the nuclear deal, especially after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh pushed for it with a veiled threat of his own resignation.
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( No Hasina Atumbum or Lollywood or Karachi Kanjars or Lahori Landomoraris)

US looks up to Bollywood to help peace bids: WikiLeaks
LONDON: The US has been courting India's soft power in the form of Bollywood as part of its plans to help usher in peace in war-torn Afghanistan and also help promote anti-extremism messages among the large Asian diaspora across the globe. US cables released by WikiLeaks acknowledge Bollywood's global appeal, and point to its growing role in US planning to promote anti-extremism across the world and peace in Afghanistan. Bollywood's growing global appeal is evidence not just in popular migration destinations such as Britain and US, but also in the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere, it said. It is seen as India's top cultural export item and the fulcrum of India's soft power. A US cable from March 2007 says that high-profile Bollywood actors could play a key role in Afghanistan. "We understand Bollywood movies are wildly popular in Afghanistan, so willing Indian celebrities could be asked to travel to Afghanistan to help bring attention to social issues there," it said. US diplomats in New Delhi described India as Afghanistan's "natural ally". According to them, the international community should use India's vast and trained human resources and expertise to build capacity in areas including the civil service and electoral bodies. Another cable from October 2007 revealed that leading Bollywood actors were interested in participating in a US plan to promote anti-extremist messages 'through third party actors'. The cable, sent by the London embassy, reported on a visit to Britain by two US officials, Farah Pandith, senior adviser for Muslim engagement, and Jared Cohen, described as 'S/P Member'.
According to the cable, one of the meetings the two officials had was with individuals connected with the Indian film industry.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... z18UflwJjW
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Arjun wrote:Do you think those are doctored or they are the 10% as claimed by SwamyG that is not doctored?
dude, where did I claim anything, huh? I was explaining my point of taking all these leaks with a pinch of salt. The 80-20 or 90-10 rule of truth-lies was a possibility if someone wanted to slip in lies ityadi. There is no way in hell do I know if what is being leaked is true, lie, fake, doctored ityadi. I am saying let us think about the possibility of Western powers using this for THEIR advantage.
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Bank of America stops all Wikileaks payments

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-of-A ... et=&ccode=
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US scathing about India's security forces: WikiLeaks
The memo further said, "India's security forces also regularly cut corners to avoid working through India's lagging justice system, which has approximately 13 judges per million people. Thus Indian police officials often do not respond to our requests for information about attacks or our offers of support because they are covering up poor practices, rather than rejecting our help outright."
The communication disclosed in the cable refers to the US unease over the arrest of a computer expert, Mukesh Saini, who was working with India's National Counter Terrorism Centre (NCTC), and was arrested on charges of spying for Americans. US's acting coordinator for counter-terrorism, Frank Urbancic, took up the matter with his Indian interlocutor, K C Singh, then an additional secretary in the MEA.
Urbancic called Saini a key working-level interlocutor at the NCTC, dismissed the charge of espionage and said his arrest had cast a "negative shadow" on the functioning of the counter-terror working group.
Saying that India was diffident in teaming up with the US in the war on terror, the 2007 cable said, "India's lingering zero-sum suspicion of US policies towards Pakistan, its fiercely independent foreign policy stance, its traditional go-it-alone strategy towards its security and its domestic political sensitivities over the sentiments of its large Muslim population, have all contributed to India's caution in working with us on a joint counter-terrorism strategy".
Mukesh saini
Former Navy commander Mukesh Saini, currently in police custody for his alleged involvement in the leakage in the National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS), had developed liaison with the American intelligence while he was posted in New York as a RAW operative a few years ago, sources said.
Saini used his links in the US to get a job for his wife, employed and settled there, while he himself was still working for RAW, sources added.
Mukesh Saini had allegedly travelled with the third secretary in the US embassy here, Rosanna Minchew, to Mumbai and Kolkata and passed on information.
Minchew has since been recalled by the Americans after the government here lodged a protest against her activities. Questions are also being raised on how Saini got clearance for the job of heading the National Information Security Coordination Cell of the NSCS when adverse reports were available against him.
Saini was not only heading one of the most sensitive departments that collated information, he was later also entrusted with the responsibility of being coordinator of the Indo-US Cyber Security Forum, which he was heading for the past two years.
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WikiLeaks: Northeast terror not on India's priority list
India did not accord priority to terror acts in its restive Northeast region and remained more focused on the Jihadis, according to the diplomatic cable sent by the US embassy in April 2006.
This variant of Indian terrorism, like Naxalism, attracts little attention from Delhi," according to the cables.
compared to the last term and the current term of UPA both have have emerged on the radar of the GOI. A change of home ministry , no leftist support or a combination of both.
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Al Qaeda links with Indian jehadis?
Leaked cables from the US diplomats, quoted two senior Indian officials showing concerns that 'India is becoming more central to Al Qaeda's agenda.' The cable, dated May 26, 2006, is based on the meeting between US diplomats and
Additional Secretary in the Ministry of External Affairs K C Singh and Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) Joint Secretary Sharad Kumar. Both the Indian officials voiced concern that India is becoming more prominent on the Al Qaeda radar.
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