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Leaks show US is India's strategic partner
India cannot "imagine for a moment a Taliban takeover of its extended neighbor" Afghanistan, defence minister A K Antony bluntly told the visiting US national security advisor James Jones in 2009, in what brought out India's fears over the return of Pak-controlled militia and the fear that US may be losing their appetite for a prolonged confrontation in Afghanistan. Antony also frankly said India wants US led "international community's operations there must succeed".
On February 12, 2009, the US ambassador David C Mulford in a detailed briefing note for the late Richard Holbrooke, the US president's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, who was visiting New Delhi, summed up, "The nuclear deal and a closer strategic relationship with the United States have generated an extraordinary public debate in India during the last year. We have won this debate hands down and, as a result, the U.S.-India relationship has a strong foundation on which to grow over the coming decades."
our recent improvement in relations have made Delhi much more amenable to cooperating on regional issues, as evidenced by our efforts together ranging from tsunami relief to Nepalese democracy to anti-piracy in the Gulf and off Somalia. Trend lines suggest the opportunity for even greater cooperation is ripe."
The cable from Mulford is important also in that it illuminates how US's commercial interests have been among the key drivers of search for closer ties." For the United States to fully realize the commercial benefits of civil nuclear cooperation, India must "follow through on its commitment to set aside nuclear reactor park sites for US firms" and address other industry concerns, such as patent protection and adoption of domestic liability protection.

Successful implementation of the nuclear agreement will "provide access to an estimated $150 billion in commercial opportunities for US firms and lead to the creation of up to 30,000 American jobs over the next three decades," the ambassador estimates. "It will also help protect the Congressional bipartisan consensus for India and preserve the unprecedented popularity of the United States among Indians, on which our growing bilateral relationship depends," he argues.
In another cable, the US ambassador quotes Shiv Shankar Menon as saying, "there was no popular resistance to the idea of FBI involvement in the Mumbai investigations. Menon concluded, "We have a huge confluence of interests, and as long as that exists we will work together." Boucher assured Menon that India could rely on the U.S. to keep up the pressure on Pakistan; Menon replied, "And you can count on our pressure on you to help you do it."
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A few questions.
Prem, If US wants Bollywood to be its messenger of 'peace' to the Muslim world then why is Shahrukh Khan frisked repeatedly?

Also doesn't Indian police have standing policy to report foreign contacts? How could the Delhi Police Special cell guy bypass his superiors while passing info to the FBI guy in Delhi?

First step is declare the FBI PNG (perosna non grata) for not following procedures. If they make noise remind them its borderline espionage cultivating sources in India govt offices.
And then dismiss the local guy from Delhi Special Police cell.
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Congress debates colour of terror Party dusts Nehru model

The Congress is witnessing a subtle but significant battle between conservatives and radicals who want to revert to the Nehruvian position that majority communalism is more dangerous than minority communalism.

Sources said steering committee members had lengthy — and often heated — exchanges over selection of words while formulating the stand on the recent trend of home-grown terror in its draft political resolution.

The conservatives, led by defence minister A.K. Antony, won the day, insisting that terror had no colour. The draft resolution said extremism and terrorism of every kind and shade was a threat to civilised society.

When party general secretary Digvijay Singh called for a need to express greater anxiety over the rise of radicals in the majority community, he was vetoed.

But Congress insiders said the issue was far from settled. All eyes, they said, were now on AICC general secretary Rahul Gandhi, who is expected to make an intervention tomorrow on the political resolution at the party’s 83rd plenary that began today in Delhi.

The buzz was Pranab Mukherjee, Jairam Ramesh and others working on the political resolution had decided to make a subtle distinction between the “letter” and the “spirit” of the position paper. In other words, between the conservative position and the radical view.

The radical view goes back to Jawaharlal Nehru’s stand that majority communalism was more dangerous than minority fundamentalism.

In the aftermath of Partition, the Congress, led by Nehru, had made a conscious effort to undermine the rise of radical groups in the majority community. Nehru repeatedly told Congress workers that majority communalism was a greater threat to India’s unity.

But gradually, the party leadership, in the context of prevailing circumstances, began equating majority and minority communalism, somewhat diluting what Nehru had warned against.

While the party intends to hover around the known position of denouncing extremism and terror of all kinds in the resolution, Congress insiders say both Sonia Gandhi and Rahul would articulate the “spirit” of the political statement.

According to some sources, the Congress leadership feels the time has come to take a more stringent stand on home-grown terror outfits that reportedly have links with radical political groups in the majority community.

This stand, fraught with uncertainty and political implications, is said to be in keeping with Rahul’s idea of “fine-tuning” Congress ideology.

Both Rahul and Digvijay feel that majority community radicalism needs to be nipped in the bud. Both, sources said, feel that after the Ayodhya verdict, which has been accused of according primacy to faith, there is a real danger of such radicalism gaining ground.

On the political plane, any shift from the conservative approach would be aimed at garnering minority support in Uttar Pradesh and Bengal, where Assembly elections are not too far away.

If Rahul goes ahead and warns of the threat of majority communalism, it would mark a shift from the party’s stand adopted in January 1999 when Sonia had taken over the Congress leadership.

The January 1999 resolution of the Congress Working Committee had articulated the party’s definition of secularism. It said the CWC “endorses” the views of Sonia who, in her speech on the birth anniversary of Swami Vivekananda, had said India was “secular primarily because of Hinduism, both as a philosophy and as a way of life”.

“Ekam Satyam, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti (truth is one, the wise pursue it variously),” Sonia had said, quoting “our ancients”.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101219/j ... 320018.jsp
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An unnecessary political controversy has been created over a diplomatic cable from the US Embassy in New Delhi to the US State Department in Washington DC summarising, inter alia, a discussion on terrorism in India which the US Ambassador Timothy Roemer reportedly had with Rahul Gandhi, the General Secretary of the Congress (I), at a lunch hosted by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in July last year. It is one of the cables leaked out by WikiLeaks.

2. A careful reading and analysis of Rahul Gandhi's observations as reported in the cable would indicate that the theme of the discussions was about the relative threat faced by India from the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), a Pakistani organisation, and indigenous extremist elements belonging to the Hindu as well as Muslim communities. My reading is that Rahul Gandhi had said that the indigenous elements----whether the Indian Muslims who have taken to terrorism or some Hindu elements taking to terrorism--- cause him greater concern than the LET.

3. This is what I have been saying since the Indian Mujahideen (IM) made its appearance in 2007 and since some Hindu elements, angered by what they perceived as the soft policy of the Congress(I) controlled Governments towards Muslim terrorists, took to reprisal terrorism against the Muslims and their places of worship. I have been saying that while we can be ruthless without any qualms of conscience against the LET and other Pakistani jihadi organisations, we cannot be so against our own citizens who take to terrorism---whether they are Hindus or Muslims. We have to be more nuanced in dealing with our indigenous terrorist elements without adding to the anger in the two communities against each other. The LET has been active in India for over 17 years. We are used to dealing with it with no holds barred. The new indigenous elements----Indian Muslims and Hindus--- are of recent origin and it is going to be more difficult to deal with them--- unless we pay attention to the anger in the two communities----- the anger in the Muslim community over perceptions of unfair policies towards their community and the anger in the Hindu community over perceptions of softness towards the Muslim terrorists.

4. I, therefore, do not take serious objection to the views of Rahul Gandhi. However, I wonder whether it was wise on his part to have discussed this with the US Ambassador lest his views be misinterpreted as has happened now following the leak of the cable. (19-12-10)

( The writer is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai)
Sure when RG become PM you have a place in his babudom. Good job sir.
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krisna wrote:Minchew has since been recalled by the Americans after the government here lodged a protest against her activities. Questions are also being raised on how Saini got clearance for the job of heading the National Information Security Coordination Cell of the NSCS when adverse reports were available against him.
Questions "have been raised", but will probably never be answered, and will be soon forgotten.
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Mauli wrote:Congress debates colour of terror Party dusts Nehru model

The Congress is witnessing a subtle but significant battle between conservatives and radicals who want to revert to the Nehruvian position that majority communalism is more dangerous than minority communalism.
The Nehruvian model perhaps was appropriate in the aftermath of the 1947 partition and MKG assasination. I wonder if this means that something similar is in the works again, necessitating a round of repression of opposition.
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vera_k wrote:
Mauli wrote:Congress debates colour of terror Party dusts Nehru model

The Congress is witnessing a subtle but significant battle between conservatives and radicals who want to revert to the Nehruvian position that majority communalism is more dangerous than minority communalism.
The Nehruvian model perhaps was appropriate in the aftermath of the 1947 partition and MKG assasination. I wonder if this means that something similar is in the works again, necessitating a round of repression of opposition.
If they manage to find a useful idiot with RSS links and get him to do something stupid, that will allow the INC to let loose another round of repression. That was exactly the modus operandi in the MKG case.
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B raman has been closet chamacha of congress for a very long time.
He and I share one great trait though, "I Told you so" Slogan. :mrgreen:

He called BR a hindutva forum now whats new in his propa grand standing of yuv raj..

The day congress is decimated is the day India will not have communal, caste, language, region and to agreat extent even J&K problem...

I am seeking hunuman jis blessing to the destruction of Congress aprty from its grass roots levels.

"Bhoota pisachi nikat nahi aawye
Maha vir jab naam suna veyee"

When does Mahaveer emerge is the question now..

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vera_k wrote:
Mauli wrote:Congress debates colour of terror Party dusts Nehru model

The Congress is witnessing a subtle but significant battle between conservatives and radicals who want to revert to the Nehruvian position that majority communalism is more dangerous than minority communalism.
The Nehruvian model perhaps was appropriate in the aftermath of the 1947 partition and MKG assasination. I wonder if this means that something similar is in the works again, necessitating a round of repression of opposition.
This whole thing about majority communalism being more dangerous than minority communalism is a demented idea - and given that the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty IQ has fallen sharply over the last few generations (as evidenced by their academic qualifications) I am not surprised they are championing this.

Lets parse this hare-brained thought some more. Basically what they are saying is that counter-terrorism should focus on the potential for trouble rather than on the historical record of communities that have shown susceptibility to terrorist activities. The argument, I presume, is that should the majority community be involved in terrorism- that is more dangerous since by definition, the majority is larger in number. If this kind of hair-brained idea were to be brought up in the US or any logical-thinking community, it would be laughed straight off without giving this any more airtime. What they are saying is that irrespective of the fact that Islamists have this spectacular track record of terrorism, the US should focus on Christian terrorism, India on Hindu terrorism, China on Han terrorism etc !!! Laughable in the extreme...Obviously what counter-terrorism should focus on is on the segment that has shown the terrorism track record, or where investigative agencies on the basis of their field work, feel there is larger potential for trouble.

Now, lets move to the second level of the argument. Clearly Islamists hold sway in terms of terrorism track record, other than the Christian terrorists of NE, & a few cases where Hindu group complicity is yet to be proven. Are they trying to say that on the basis of investigative agency field work they see bigger threat of terrorism currently from the RSS? That would be completely laughable based on everything we know. But lets wait for the rabbits they are trying to pull out of their musharrafs. I would not put it past some demented brains to actually go about creating some red herrings so as to redeem their previous statements in the eyes of the public.
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Congress party is playing with India's security. This political direction from India's ruling party is going to create confusion in the minds of Indian security agencies. The utter ineffectiveness of Indian security is well known and their inability to withstand "Political pressure" is legendary.

More security resources will be put to smoke out this phantom hindu terror that keeps growing only in the imagination of Rahul Gandhi and we will see IM finally regroup and another round of terror activities in India which will make the communal situation even more tenuous.

The political direction to attack RSS as a terrorist organization is so bad that it cannot be explained but Congress party thinks that it can walk this tenuous tightrope and play with fire. It tried doing that in 80's and lost its dominance in Indian politics and as Congress party continues that path again it may just happen that it may get wiped out from Indian politics in case this direction falls flat.

RSS is not a terrorist organization. Everybody knows that. It maybe a right wing hindu organization, but not a terrorist organization. Hindus have a right to organize themselves under any idealogy that they want. Nobody can stop hindus from organizing themselves. Nehru tried to stop it and it never happened and again it will never happen. Congress may gain in terms of muslim votes, but it will loose in terms of hindu votes. Indeed I think it will be good if congress gains in terms of muslim vote and looses hindu votes. As this will result in breaking down of muslim votes in UP and Bihar between yadav duo and congress party. Muslim confusion and hindu consolidation is good.

FC and BC if consolidate behind BJP or Mayawati then their is no way that Congress can do good in UP. Congress party is going in a particular direction keeping UP in mind, but it is dangerous and may result in Congress party's rout in UP with Muslim vote getting confused and consolidation of other vote behind Mayawati.
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by Krish
He's like the Sarah Palin of India.
Can you please elaborate what's wrong with Sarah Palin? When did she said anything against USA? Or if she said anying against majority Christians in USA? If India gets a Sarah Palin then Pakistan and China won't exist!!! Sarah Palin is one of the few leaders with Guts!

Rahul Gandhi is in his own league of morons actually borderlining retards but what can we do when people vote Congress to power again and again for majority of last 60+ years!!

The bigger question is why aren't opposition parties in India telling the folks about the real issues with congress!! if they are then why isn'tthe current opposition winning elections? Bigger conspiracy? I am not going to drop down to paki level!! there is no conspiracy just that indian electorate is not educated enough to be democracy viable.

What happened to the younger brother of Rahul Gandhi's Son of Sanjay Gandhi named Varun Gandhi!! I have a greater expectations from him!! In my opinion all he needs is a proper guidance and he can show wonders to make India a world power!.


Sanjay Gandhi was a great leader but he got lost due to sychophants congressi politicians like Digvijay Singh, Arun Nehru, Satish Sharma, etc, etc. progeny of whom is still in power all over india.
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^^^ +1 to ShivaS
Congress is actually playing the color and shade of terrorism tamasha to deflect attention from the 2G scam where they have been exposed badly. What best way to get the masses worked up than playing the caste/religion card. These guys can stoop to any level.
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SBajwa wrote: The bigger question is why aren't opposition parties in India telling the folks about the real issues with congress!! if they are then why isn'tthe current opposition winning elections? Bigger conspiracy? I am not going to drop down to paki level!! there is no conspiracy just that indian electorate is not educated enough to be democracy viable.
Validity of elections is questionable since introduction of EVMs. As regards opposition, there are equally sold-out individuals in the opposition too. Overall, they may be somewhat better than Congress, but many of the most damaging steps (permission for foreign ownership in media, introduction of EVMs) were taken by elements within current opposition. First step opposition should take is to weed out those problematic individuals.
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ramana wrote:A few questions.
Prem, If US wants Bollywood to be its messenger of 'peace' to the Muslim world then why is Shahrukh Khan frisked repeatedly?

Also doesn't Indian police have standing policy to report foreign contacts? How could the Delhi Police Special cell guy bypass his superiors while passing info to the FBI guy in Delhi?

First step is declare the FBI PNG (perosna non grata) for not following procedures. If they make noise remind them its borderline espionage cultivating sources in India govt offices.
And then dismiss the local guy from Delhi Special Police cell.
This is a classic example that we may learn from them that how Uncle when comes to protect their interest they use one set of unbreakable rules for the security interest of the country and when they need to use other's, if necessary , to advance their interest , that will be different set of approach. They know due to cultural proximity Bollywood and Indian soap operas are widely popular in Afghanistan, Besides, the Khan's trio being Muslims , many Afghans even think that their ancestors were from Afghanistan, are more acceptable to Afghans than others ,so they want to use them for this culturally starved nation to dilute some of the hard-line Talebanized Isalmic influence. Afghanistan is a tough operational theatre and they know very well no other soft power would work like wonder other than Bollywood. But when these Khans, visit their territory, all bets are off as their profile probably would identify unique source of possible terror object. The system would follow those unbreakable rules and w'nt allow to bend them no matter how much diplomatic tension it may cause for an iron tight security. It's like when they frisked the Indian ambassador and immediate after that diplomatic bru u aha.ha that not even settled down,they did the same thing to India's UN ambassador Mr.Puri, made Mr him to take off his turban, unbreakable set of rules.Their first priority, the interest of their country. Besides, Uncle think their diplomatic soft power ambassadors are the pricey assets of their country that spread American cultural influence to every corner of the Globe, not a cheap expendable commodity to send t to one of the most dangerous place on earth. So as along as those Bollywood Khans have those Paki sponsors and their last name is "My name is Khan", they will be stripped , frisked and what ever their system demands, they will reputedly do to stop the possible identical source of terror threat.
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The Nehruvian model perhaps was appropriate in the aftermath of the 1947 partition and MKG assasination.
Nehru model was never good for the India. From Hindu perspective it was Islamic, Christian, Communist colonialisms all combined into one. In the book by Parag Tope, he mentions that, Lord Dalhousie arrived with the wish of leveling India i.e. establishment of new order suited to the needs of West. Had India truly gained its freedom (by military means) this western power order would have been destroyed. Thanks to "Sabarmati ke Sant" aka Uncle Tom this structure still survives. Nehru dynasty (JLN was the original Hamid KArzai and Chalabi) was given the job of preserving this structure. Now, who are biggest threats to this arrangement? of course the untamed, uncivilized natives i.e. Hindus. And hence the pearls of wisdom like majority communalism being more dangerous than minority. Majority communalism is more dangerous(to West) because it can destroy the control of West over India. This is the real issue, rest is all Masala.
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^^^

Seems farfetched. If all this is true, how come Janata government in 1977 or NDA government in 1998 did not ban Congress party?
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If all this is true, how come Janata government in 1977 or NDA government in 1998 did not ban Congress party?
Why Congress party should be banned?. Middle and lower rung congressis are as good or bad as BJP or anybody else. My point was that any body who is perceived as slightest threat to the power structure created by British will not be allowed even within 100 miles of it. This is true since the days of establishment of the Congress. If some how some one manages to get near or on it e.g. IG, Shastri etc will be removed physically. Another example is Bal Gangadhar Tilak. And if you go by the some recent discussions on BRF, raking up of this Hindu terrorism is nothing but an effort to sterlize Hindutva elements who were able to infect it during NDA rule.
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Anti-Muslim RSS is like Nazis, says Digvijay Singh - http://www.hindustantimes.com/Anti-Musl ... 40258.aspx

Congress links RSS to terror - http://www.timesnow.tv/Congress-links-R ... 360837.cms

Hopefully this Vipareet Buddhi is a symptom of Vinaash Kaal.
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^^^^^
I can't fathom what is forcing Rajmata and her masters to headbutt RSS?.
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Mauli wrote:I can't fathom what is forcing Rajmata and her masters to headbutt to RSS?.
Kill 2 birds with one stone-
1. Divert attention from scams where they are on backfoot to saffron terrorism where they are on front foot
2. Finishoff remaining threat to EJ agenda

Its time for opposition to explain to the public who the real divisive and communal forces in the country are. Also, the diversionary tactic needs to be exposed, and there should be no letup on JPC probe.
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>>Nehru model was never good for the India. From Hindu perspective it was Islamic, Christian, Communist colonialisms all combined into one.

Really? Which perspective is that?
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>>I can't fathom what is forcing Rajmata and her masters to headbutt RSS?.

And what I can fathom even less is the gross stupidity of the BJP which has been given a golden opportunity on a platter by Rahul Gandhi. Instead of maximising on it, they've already gotten sidetracked into the corruption tamasha arising out of the Cong meeting.

This is the time to bring out the facts, list the bloody attacks the Islamist terror groups, make a comparison with (so-called) terror attacks by "Hindu" groups, and ask Rahul why he forgot about the Maoist terror? Had he not heard of them? The predictable congress response, because the facts are clear for all to see, would be to bring in Gujarat and other riots/killings. And this gross over-generalisation of terror can only help them to lose the vote of the "majority" of Indians who will see what they have to offer which is little more than lies on the social front, and nothing very different from the BJP on the economic front.

Instead, what is the BJP doing now? It appears that sometimes, hell most often, our second largest party which could actually bring in a balanced nationalist perspective with a centre-right orientation, is its own worst enemy. Tragic.
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Really? Which perspective is that?
Today, I view Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru as a bloated Brown Sahib, and Nehruism as the combined embodiment of all the imperialist ideologies Islam, Christianity, White Man's Burden, and Communism that have flooded this country in the wake of foreign invasions. And I do not have the least doubt in my mind that if India is to live, Nehruism must die.

http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hibh/ch9.htm

This is my last post on this thread. All my replies related to RG/Nehru etc will go in off-topic thread.
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Your perspective of Nehru today is not being questioned by me. But you mentioned a "from Hindu perspective" not your personal perspective... Which is that Hindu perspective?

Or did you simply mean "from my perspective" which happens to be "a" Hindu perspective... If that is what you meant, I misunderstood. But if you meant from a generalised "Hindu perspective", my question stands.
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Menon Saab, see my reply in Off-topic thread at GDF.
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China paying Nepal to nab Tibetan refugees: WikiLeaks
http://www.zeenews.com/news675536.html
Kathmandu: The reason the number of Tibetan refugees fleeing to India dropped dramatically since 2008 is because China is paying money to Nepal police to arrest them from the border areas, says a US embassy cable released by whistle blowing website WikiLeaks.

This year, China prevented Nepal's president and foreign and cultural ministers from attending a programme at a Tibetan monastery in Kathmandu while the Chinese Embassy in Kathmandu raised strong objections to Nepal's lawmakers visiting Dharamshala and meeting the Dalai Lama.

The Dalai Lama, barring one brief visit to Lumbini in southern Nepal to visit the birthplace of the Buddha during the reign of King Birendra, has not been allowed to visit Nepal and is excluded from all international Buddhist conferences hosted by the Nepal government.
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krisna wrote:WikiLeaks: Northeast terror not on India's priority list
India did not accord priority to terror acts in its restive Northeast region and remained more focused on the Jihadis, according to the diplomatic cable sent by the US embassy in April 2006.
11. (C) The GOI does not focus on Naxalite or Northeast terrorism with the intensity it devotes to jihadi terrorists, probably for a combination of the following reasons:

-- Attacks by Naxalites and Northeast groups remain confined to rural areas far from New Delhi.

-- The Naxals generally target security forces vice civilians.

-- The Naxals lack external support, which makes them a purely Indian problem, something the GOI cannot blame on other countries; the GOI blames Pakistan and Bangladesh as instigators/supporters of jihadi terrorism, and Bangladesh for also allowing Northeast terrorists support or, at minimum, safe haven. The GOI can and does exploit these links to attract international sympathy (and partial absolution) for its own domestic governance and border security short-comings.

-- Because Naxalites and Northeast groups are treated as domestic issues, they are largely handled by the individual states in which these groups operate. The GOI over the past year has tried to tie together the anti-Naxal efforts of the “Naxal-affected states,” but to no discernible effect thus far, and the states lack the capacity to mount an effective response to the problem.

-- The most likely solutions to the problems posed by the Naxal and Northeast groups involve improving local/state governance and economic opportunity, a difficult and long-term solution for New Delhi and the affected states to effect.
http://cablesearch.org/cable/view.php?id=06NEWDELHI2587
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M.J. Akbar on Digvijay Singh:
http://mjakbarblog.blogspot.com/2010/12 ... -fool.html
Emphasis in the original.
But surely Digvijaya Singh has common sense, unless he sacrificed that virtue at the altar of power. The Urdu paper theory is, in brief, that 26/11 was organised to kill Hemant Karkare, a brave police officer, because he was on the verge of exposing Hindu zealots. This implies that Hindu zealots came to a deal with the Lashkar-e-Taiba, whose leader Hafiz Saeed was so delighted that, with the help of ISI, he armed and trained 10 young men, and sent them on Jihad to India so that Hindu zealots might be protected! I am not a votary of the exclamation mark, but rarely has it been more necessary. You have to be scarily bonkers to believe such utter nonsense. It is one thing when an editor desperate for circulation takes recourse to stupidity.When a man who has been chief minister of Madhya Pradesh and could be home minister of India promotes such rubbish, we have to worry about the health of our politics.

A historic event such as 26/11 creates a national narrative that might blur at the edges but is essentially consistent with the truth. Digvijaya Singh compromised the Indian narrative in order to flirt with rabid sentiment.

The irony is the Congress is losing the Muslim vote because it no longer understands the Muslim vote. Indian Muslims have seen through the deception of decades. They are, at long last, rejecting the politics of fear and demanding development. Check out Bihar.
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^^^JEM: "And what I can fathom even less is the gross stupidity of the BJP which has been given a golden opportunity on a platter by Rahul Gandhi. Instead of maximising on it, they've already gotten sidetracked into the corruption tamasha arising out of the Cong meeting."

The Bungling Janata Party is not really a political party anymore if it ever was. Even ABV prided himself as the "Last Congressman." Sadly, it has become a circular firing squad. That's just when they get organized. Usually, it's "Ready, Aim, Fire and shoot your toes off."

NaMo is the only one who's clued in but the rest of the BJP would rather undermine him than unite against the INC.

In short, you have a non-functioning parliamentary system because there is no opposition.
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http://cablesearch.org/cable/view.php?id=10NEWDELHI367
SUBJECT FBI DIRECTOR MUELLER DISCUSSES HEADLEY CASE WITH
DATE 2010-02-26 06:06:00
Director Mueller opened the 20-minute meeting by expressing satisfaction over increasingly close bilateral cooperation. Characterizing the information produced by interrogations of David HEADLEY as among the most important intelligence the USG has gleaned in the past 6 - 8 months, the Director assured Chidambaram that we would continue to pass such information in a timely manner to India. Noting that the process of HEADLEY’s proffer of evidence is nearing a critical stage, Mueller observed that HEADLEY has expressed hatred toward India and may “clam up” if his guilty plea is tied in any way to cooperation with the GOI.
The Home Affairs Minister conceded he had no evidence to support his working hypothesis that HEADLEY formed sleeper cells in India, one of which may have perpetrated the February 13 Pune bombing. He noted that the GOI would not file formal charges against HEADLEY until the trial of Mumbai defendant Mir Kasab is finished for fear that Kasab would use the HEADLEY charges as a way to delay conclusion of his own trial.
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@ Mauli^^^. OT but worth a quick note: It's not that the JLN model (or any other including MG's) was bad for India. The problem is that the models continue to be personality based rather than institutionalized. Models will evolve but septuagenarian+ leaders won't.

It's the old saying: "Different horses for different courses." See how the UK quickly dumped Churchill after WWII.

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Cosmo_R wrote:The Bungling Janata Party is not really a political party anymore if it ever was. Even ABV prided himself as the "Last Congressman." Sadly, it has become a circular firing squad. That's just when they get organized. Usually, it's "Ready, Aim, Fire and shoot your toes off."

NaMo is the only one who's clued in but the rest of the BJP would rather undermine him than unite against the INC.

In short, you have a non-functioning parliamentary system because there is no opposition.
:lol:
Here come the congress shills with their spins, BJP has consistenly beat congress in the elections on its performance and still kangress want to hide their head in sand and think BJP as a strong political party doesnt exist

BJP will make pulao of congress and eat it and kangress shills will become unemployed :mrgreen:

Pick up some skills like congress president sonia, recently she was spotted learning to how to make golguppes, her bofors money is running out, so congress shills wont receive their renumeration anymore

Cong suffers from siege mentality: BJP
http://www.zeenews.com/news675548.html
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JEM's criticism of the BJP is appropriate. BJP is not reacting fast enough on multiple fronts of verbal debate and conflict. I can see some sense in not responding to Digvijay Singh to give hime more importance than due. But not immediately bring up a press conference and lay down a comparative list of "terrors" - the timelines of starting of terror - the Maoist terror and Jihadi terror timeline both of which stretches right from 1947-48, is and was a serious lapse of media management. Rahul is not just any digvijay Singh, and whether BJP ignores him or not doesn't matter because the Congress has no other option than bringing him forward.

it should have immediately been raised that can the Congress then justify the "terror" on the Pundits in the valley in 89 - 3 full years before the Ayodhya incident, if it has always been "majority" communalism that provoked "minority" violence?
Similarly which communalism provokes Maoist terror, and did so in the 67-69 period? What provoked the '48 Communist violence in Telengana? The BJP should raise the issue as to why the Congress only urges the government to investigate alleged terror links to apparently Hindu dominated organizations only, RSS pracharaks only and never investigate the possible terror links of Muslims or Christian proselytizing organizations!

Secondly, the important pointer in the wikipee cable, which if true indicates what are the qualities in RG that makes him a dear to American professional diplomats. His attraction for the diplomat lies in RG's potential to be a "friend" of America, which is an euphemism for someone who can be induced to look after American interests. That should have been a key to understand. This has connection to the third point.

Thirdly, RG is trying to model himself as JLN or he is being stage managed to look and talk so. Those who are grooming him have a certain perception of the role of JLN and how he apparently managed to be in power for so long. All his haranague about the non-systemic-common-man (that makes him an uncommon non-aam aamir man), "dalits" etc are aimed at reviving the supposed Nehru magic and aura.

JLN was one of the strongest and staunchest opponents of coopting and giving ground to Muslims in politics before the Partition, and many analysts have blamed him squarely for lending wind to the ML sails by his obstinacy over the question of sole power and control. It is likely that he changed overnight after the Partition violence, because he realized that his political legacy would be severely undermined if he did not deflect his own role in precipitating the Partition violence. It is a matter of street savvy propaganda relying on a doting coterie of opinion makers and fund providers.

What RG is being made to do is an exact copy of the JLN method of obfuscating his own or his party's role in creating the Islamist monster in the first place. There is no point in continuing to blame the Congress only for this. If they are turning anti-Hindu and pro-Muslim and pro-Christian by default, by only attacking the Hindu and never attacking or even protecting Islamist or Christianist terror, it is the task of those who feel that Hinduism is being attacked - is to see to it that the Congress is no longer accepted into rituals and celebrations and temples or festivals. Reject them societally and socially. They cannot stride both sides of the coin. They must take up their positions clearly.
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JLN was one of the strongest and staunchest opponents of coopting and giving ground to Muslims in politics before the Partition, and many analysts have blamed him squarely for lending wind to the ML sails by his obstinacy over the question of sole power and control.
Funny. These "many analysts" also subscribe to the theory that Jinnah did not want Pakistan, it was just a bargaining ploy, and Pakistan was forced upon him.

PS: Anyone who proposes the above cannot consistently claim that they are against a political union of India and Pakistan today where both countries have equal weight. If they are against it, they are playing exactly like JLN.
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Allegations against Assange in detail:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... nge-sweden
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BJP is like India, INC is like Pakistan. The former wishy-washy, the latter confident and with a sense of purpose. The former reactive, the latter proactive.
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A_Gupta wrote:Allegations against Assange in detail:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/de ... nge-sweden
"We understand that both complainants admit to having initiated consensual sexual relations with Mr Assange. They do not complain of any physical injury. The first complainant did not make a complaint for six days (in which she hosted the respondent in her flat [actually her bed] and spoke in the warmest terms about him to her friends) until she discovered he had spent the night with the other complainant.

"The second complainant, too, failed to complain for several days until she found out about the first complainant: she claimed that after several acts of consensual sexual intercourse, she fell half asleep and thinks that he ejaculated without using a condom – a possibility about which she says they joked afterwards.

"Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test



He was denied bail for 10 days for this in the same week an individual who
has allegedly murdered his wife, of 10 days, was granted virtually
uncontested bail! The CPS for heavens sake even appealed the bail! What
do the CPS not understand about murder and conspiracy to commit
murder that they understand about rape.

Equal justice!
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Congress party's anti-Hindu colours are being shown. Those foreigner loving crustaceans think that 'Hindu' terror is more potent than muslim terror. But in reality, what has been exposed is the christian/western bias of those people who make such claims.

Rahul is christian.

Digvijay is Sonia's agent, he was her go between man with the naxals.

P Chidambaram has always been pro America.

All in all, we see that the christain lobby is now being forced to fight in the open. Earlier, this lobby (mistakenly called secularists) used to foment trouble between Hindus and Muslims, to divert attention of the Hindus from the mass scale conversion activities going on.

Now, with the muslim vote decimated and with no hope in the immediate future of them voting for congress, the christian lobby within that party has been forced to confront Hindus directly. This is the game that is going on. But instead of trying to take on Hinduism directly, they have been trying to frame the community in some or the other alleged crime.
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A lot of Hindus have been hurt by Dogvijay & Clown Prince's latest statements. RSS should not let this opportunity slip away. It's time they go all guns blazing at CON party's hypocrisy on every issue from terrorism to corruption. I am surprised there's no news of them organizing mass rallies & protests in all major cities. Every single Hindu knows that this entity called 'Saffron Terror' is only a political gimmick by the anti-nationals. The humiliation must be drilled in. The Congress has given the Hindus a wound, RSS should rub the salt. "Are you a Hindu? Then the Congress says you're a terrorist". How can Hindus worshiping the country in the form of Bharat Mata be the greatest threat to the motherland? So Hindus are the greatest threat to the only country in the world they can call 'home'? There's so much that can be done to hurt Congress on this issue & I am absolutely livid Sangh is doing nothing. Strip them ******** naked.
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Mauli wrote:Why Congress party should be banned?. Middle and lower rung congressis are as good or bad as BJP or anybody else. My point was that any body who is perceived as slightest threat to the power structure created by British will not be allowed even within 100 miles of it. This is true since the days of establishment of the Congress.
It's not about the foot soldiers. Banning allows the government to cripple take over and dispose off the assets of the organisation, put leaders in jail. Kind of like what was done to al Qaida and Jamaat ud Dawa. Point being that if it is was seriously believed that the party is carrying water for foreigners, then banning would have been the course of action taken.
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