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Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 09:44

Lalmohan wrote:^^ ah... so now assangibabu will chaddi-utaro on trump!


Trump did not hold any public office till date so there wont be any thing serious to expose on him other then perhaps Grab The Pussy Types :rotfl:

Seriously though Assange hinted at exposing collusion between Google and US government some time last October , other that that your guess is as good as mine but 2017 will be interesting times.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 09:48

Hannity: Democrats ignored cybersecurity until Hillary lost

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5272365500001

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 09:51

Intel Chiefs Testify on 2016 Campaign Hackings


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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby ramana » 06 Jan 2017 12:22

Is it possible Watergate redux occurred?

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Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 13:21

^^ Not sure of watergate but its a perfect Trap Obama has sent for Trump

If he accepts current administration Intelligence Assesment led by DNI Clapper that Russians were involved in the Hacks to support his campaign then it would be like Delegitimising his Win as a Genuine one partially atleast and Democrats can for the next 4 years say look Hillary Lost because Russians hackers helped Trump.

If he does not accept the Intelligence Assesment partially or fully , Obama can says Trump does not trust American Intelligence Assesment that Russians hacked and even many in Rep Part agree to that assesment much less Dem that would create a Rift between US Intelligence Community and Trump Administration and Trump ver Rep

Obama has smartly made sure the report comes just 2 weeks before he leaves office to delegitimises the new President.

DNI Chief Clapper even goes on to say Assange is not Credible

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Postby UlanBatori » 06 Jan 2017 16:49

If he does not accept the Intelligence Assesment partially or fully , Obama can says Trump does not trust American Intelligence Assesment that Russians hacked and even many in Rep Part agree to that assessment much less Dem that would create a Rift between US Intelligence Community and Trump Administration and Trump ver Rep
Obama has smartly made sure the report comes just 2 weeks before he leaves office to delegitimises the new President.
DNI Chief Clapper even goes on to say Assange is not Credible


This is not that hard. Any child can ask: Aren't you the oiseules who swore up and down that Saddam was about to use WMD? How many thousands of American soldiers are dead, how many tens of thousands disabled, how many hundreds of thousands with PTSD because of you morons? Why should ANYONE believe you?

This is basically what KellyAnn Conway said (much nicer) at the outset on these things. And oh! yeah, it was a Republican administration then, but the point is that these "Intel" chiefs lied then to tell the POTUS what he wanted to hear, and they are lying now to tell the POTUS what he wanted to hear.

Wait another 20 days and they'll be singing a completely different tune. Or if they testify now, they'll be retired then.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 06 Jan 2017 18:33

well the intel babus are civil servants. in bushmeister's time the forces of darkness (aka neocons) basically told everyone that they were going to invade 7 countries and do regime change and JFDI - so babuloge did that to keep el presidente happy

as I said before the Russians have not exactly hidden their intent at destabilising their 'enemies' by non-violent means. I think they didn't expect to score so big in the heart of the great satan - through relatively small actions (note - they didn't even have to rig the ballot, just spread doubt). putin is waiting to see which way trump will go before putting phase 2 into action. if trump plays ball then he will be all smiles. if trump does not play ball then chaddi's will be utaro'ed. if there is nothing below chaddi, something will be alleged...

we live in interesting times

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 22:02

Lalmohan wrote:hidden their intent at destabilising their 'enemies' by non-violent means. I think they didn't expect to score so big in the heart of the great satan - through relatively small actions (note - they didn't even have to rig the ballot, just spread doubt) we live in interesting times


Hahahaha......Seriously though if Russian Intelligence were so Powerful Putin would have been really happy.

I mean the same Russian Intelligence could not prevent the fall of Viktor Yanukovych in 2014 in Ukraine and rise of Mikheil Saakashvili at their own backyard and they ended up fighting a military batter with both country recently :lol:

What Russian did was provided a positive coverage to Trump that is for sure after watching RT during election campaigne , They also gave coverage to Wikileaks/Podesta emails that nailed Hillary. That sort of coverage is no different than what CNN , BBC , Guardian and the entire Western MSM does for Putin all the time.

As far as DNC Hack Goes its any bodys guess who could have hacked his email but for the man who keeps his email password as "password" he has to take the blame for lacking common sense.

Obama does not want to accept the fact that He could not carry his legacy forward with loss of Hillary , In that he suffered double loss he could not make Hillary Win and his pet Obama care thing now looks going down the drain which was suppose to be his legacy , He cant accept its his fault nor will Hillary Accept any wrong doing inspite of all the exposure by Podesta Email ...they are looking for a scapegoat to save their face and Russian Intelligence is a convinient story for them.....They want to put Donald Trump Legitimacy as Fairly elected President in Doubt


Like UlanBatori said come the new President the Intel would reflect what he wants to hear

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 06 Jan 2017 23:08

the Russian intelligence game is not the same as it used to be. they don't have to be good, they just have to create ambiguity and chaos... a free society does the rest - they have figured out how to make the system turn on itself. that is the master stroke

they tested and refined these tactics in the Ukraine, then in the Baltics. brexit was their first major success.. I don't think they expected to do so well in the US

if you look around, a number of countries are starting to create government agencies/departments to start dealing with 'false news' - the Czech's being a recent example... and their PM loves Putin

this is the new cold war - we need to look at it carefully

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 23:17

Lalmohan wrote:the Russian intelligence game is not the same as it used to be. they don't have to be good, they just have to create ambiguity and chaos... a free society does the rest - they have figured out how to make the system turn on itself. that is the master stroke

they tested and refined these tactics in the Ukraine, then in the Baltics. brexit was their first major success.. I don't think they expected to do so well in the US

if you look around, a number of countries are starting to create government agencies/departments to start dealing with 'false news' - the Czech's being a recent example... and their PM loves Putin

this is the new cold war - we need to look at it carefully


Hahaha, You are giving Russian Intelligence too much credit where none is deserved but Putin would be happy and would give you Order of Friendship Title ....... joking ofcourse ;)

Come on man in a country were all the mails get tracked , do you seriously think such massive cyber operation would have gone unnoticed by NSA or they would not have done anything to stop when Dems are in power ?

Saw Bernie latest statement today , he gets it right Dems are out of touch with grassroot , Putin is a convenient scapegoat in this mess

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Mort Walker » 06 Jan 2017 23:36

UlanBatori wrote:
If he does not accept the Intelligence Assesment partially or fully , Obama can says Trump does not trust American Intelligence Assesment that Russians hacked and even many in Rep Part agree to that assessment much less Dem that would create a Rift between US Intelligence Community and Trump Administration and Trump ver Rep
Obama has smartly made sure the report comes just 2 weeks before he leaves office to delegitimises the new President.
DNI Chief Clapper even goes on to say Assange is not Credible


This is not that hard. Any child can ask: Aren't you the oiseules who swore up and down that Saddam was about to use WMD? How many thousands of American soldiers are dead, how many tens of thousands disabled, how many hundreds of thousands with PTSD because of you morons? Why should ANYONE believe you?

This is basically what KellyAnn Conway said (much nicer) at the outset on these things. And oh! yeah, it was a Republican administration then, but the point is that these "Intel" chiefs lied then to tell the POTUS what he wanted to hear, and they are lying now to tell the POTUS what he wanted to hear.

Wait another 20 days and they'll be singing a completely different tune. Or if they testify now, they'll be retired then.


This is exactly correct. In addition in 2013 Clapper had testified in to a senate committee that the US was NOT collecting ANY data on hundreds of millions of persons in the US. He knew it was a lie, senate Republicans too knew this was a lie, but everybody winked and nodded.

DT must ask Clapper to turn in his resignation on Jan 20th or be fired. The intel community is not to be believed and there needs to be house cleaning.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jan 2017 23:55

Clapper has already resigned I think when the election result came in or just before that

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Postby Mort Walker » 07 Jan 2017 01:09

You're right, Clapper did resign shortly after the election. DT will be replacing Brennan with Mike Pompeo.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby GShankar » 07 Jan 2017 01:17

Austin wrote:
Saw Bernie latest statement today , he gets it right Dems are out of touch with grassroot , Putin is a convenient scapegoat in this mess


Additionally dems seem to be "muito" anti rus than republicans. They seem to want none of eagle-bear friendship.

Simple to explain away as politics (anti-trump). Another way to think is saudi influence.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 07 Jan 2017 07:00

Fortunately for GOP fellows, they have notice that their emails can be leaked and if they have any brains, they will be careful what they write on emails. Obomber and his Alt-left gang failed to get mandate not just in 2016 but during 2010,2012,2014 in the legislative side and lost many states - both legislative or governor positions. It all can not be attributed to the Russians and wiki leaks. In fact had the Dems put any reasonably pro-economic growth policy and candidate in 2016 I am sure DT would have been hard pressed to break the so-called blue wall.

The leaks damage you if the material leaking is bad and can be used to the damage you. If the leak is on what happened to, say during Nixon rule, I am sure no one would have cared about the leaks in this election. HC leaks are bad, and they can be used to damage her plus her party used awful strategy in the elections, and the seriously bad economy is there. So perfect conditions for a candidate like DT can also win the elections.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby UlanBatori » 07 Jan 2017 08:01

GShankar wrote:
Austin wrote:They seem to want none of eagle-bear friendship.
Simple to explain away as politics (anti-trump). Another way to think is saudi influence.

Or Pee All See?

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby habal » 07 Jan 2017 08:45

Russian support has defeated 'warz for israel' lobby, esl their most ambitious syrian project.
saudi etc is subsidiary to this lobby.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby RamSuresh » 07 Jan 2017 10:41

UlanBatori wrote:
GShankar wrote:

Or Pee All See?


The greatest pleasure in reading this forum is abbreviations like this.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 07 Jan 2017 10:54

wikileaks sense of humour

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817526570298572800

Our Podesta & DNC leaks now authenticated by WikiLeaks, CIA, FBI, NSA and ODNI (aka Hillary's "17 intel agencies"). Now that's team work!
:lol:

Image

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 07 Jan 2017 10:55

Here Is The US Intel Report Accusing Putin Of Helping Trump Win The Election By "Discrediting" Hillary Clinton

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-0 ... s-election

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Postby Austin » 07 Jan 2017 12:44

FBI Says the Democratic Party Wouldn’t Let Agents See the Hacked Email Servers

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says- ... l-servers/
In a statement to WIRED, a senior FBI law enforcement official wrote in an email Thursday that “The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated.” This contrasts with what DNC deputy communications director Eric Walker told Buzzfeed in an email: “The DNC had several meetings with representatives of the FBI’s Cyber Division and its Washington (DC) Field Office, the Department of Justice’s National Security Division, and U.S. Attorney’s Offices, and it responded to a variety of requests for cooperation, but the FBI never requested access to the DNC’s computer servers.” :shock:

In its statement, the FBI agreed with the DNC’s implication that it had instead relied on data from Crowdstrike. But the Bureau points the finger for its lack of independent evaluation squarely at the DNC. According to the FBI official, “This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.” :shock:

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 07 Jan 2017 14:24

US Intel Says 'Russian Hacking' Retaliation for Panama Papers, Doping Scandals

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/us/201701071049 ... -scandals/

"[Russian President Vladimir] Putin publicly pointed to the Panama Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US-directed efforts to defame Russia, suggesting he sought to use disclosures to discredit the image of the United States and cast it as hypocritical," the report stated on Friday.


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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 07 Jan 2017 15:38

The olympics doping thing seems like a clear case of retaliation against russia
There are also many references to Putin and close circle ill gotten gains
Both sides are playing this new game

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Postby Austin » 07 Jan 2017 20:58

Lalmohan wrote:The olympics doping thing seems like a clear case of retaliation against russia
There are also many references to Putin and close circle ill gotten gains
Both sides are playing this new game


Considering the guy fled to US and was the source of doping revelation to WADA , we can't rule out this was an intelligence operation to discredit Russia and more so Putin directly.

Even the election hacking report directly blames Putin , seems Obama wants to have last word once he leaves office :rotfl:

Obama has a personal axe to grind against Putin and Netanyahu , He screwd Israel and Russia royally :lol:

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Postby LokeshC » 08 Jan 2017 02:40

Austin wrote:FBI Says the Democratic Party Wouldn’t Let Agents See the Hacked Email Servers

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says- ... l-servers/
In a statement to WIRED, a senior FBI law enforcement official wrote in an email Thursday that “The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated.” This contrasts with what DNC deputy communications director Eric Walker told Buzzfeed in an email: “The DNC had several meetings with representatives of the FBI’s Cyber Division and its Washington (DC) Field Office, the Department of Justice’s National Security Division, and U.S. Attorney’s Offices, and it responded to a variety of requests for cooperation, but the FBI never requested access to the DNC’s computer servers.” :shock:

In its statement, the FBI agreed with the DNC’s implication that it had instead relied on data from Crowdstrike. But the Bureau points the finger for its lack of independent evaluation squarely at the DNC. According to the FBI official, “This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.” :shock:

WTF do they need permission? All they need is a warrant from a federal judge.

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Postby Lalmohan » 08 Jan 2017 03:51

Austin wrote: He screwd Israel and Russia royally :lol:


former is highly debatable, latter is what one has to do to be top dog no? unkil/bear/dragon slugfest?

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Postby Austin » 08 Jan 2017 11:55

Lalmohan wrote:
Austin wrote: He screwd Israel and Russia royally :lol:


former is highly debatable, latter is what one has to do to be top dog no? unkil/bear/dragon slugfest?


Obama-Netanyahu relation has been very cold and bitter , Obama administration felt netanyahu has been extereme right party and Netanyahu felt under Obama leftist government US has betrayed Israel.

Look at Israel opposition to Iran Nuclear deal lead by US or the most recent abstaining from UN sec council resolution ........look at how exactly opp stand DT takes and how Netanyahu is all praise from him while he can barely stand obama

A lot of Obama bad relation with Russia and Israel is also about ideology where Putin/Netanyahu are perceived at 180* to that of leftist/liberal obama.

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Postby Austin » 08 Jan 2017 11:56

WikiLeaks Verified account https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817855891642978304
‏@wikileaks

ANNOUNCE: WikiLeaks press conf, Monday 9am ET streamed live responding to CIA report on WikiLeaks

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Jan 2017 12:09

LokeshC wrote:
Austin wrote:FBI Says the Democratic Party Wouldn’t Let Agents See the Hacked Email Servers

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says- ... l-servers/

WTF do they need permission? All they need is a warrant from a federal judge.


If you had a server that was potentially loaded with illegal stuff, would you let the FBI take a good look at them?

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Postby Lalmohan » 08 Jan 2017 15:44

breaking news this morning in the UK - a newspaper covert op in a restaurant has recorded Israeli embassy staffers discussing "how to take down" a british foreign office minister who does not support jewish settlements in the west bank. direct interference in another country's government... (and part of the netanyahu/obama spat)

of course there have been long standing complaints that the western powers do this all the time, but it feels more and more as though this is becoming the new normal

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Postby Austin » 09 Jan 2017 10:56

Rep. Nunes reacts to intel report implicating Putin

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5274848425001

Full Kellyanne Conway: Russia 'Did Not Succeed' in Attempts to Sway Election

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/v ... 0203203603

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Postby Lalmohan » 09 Jan 2017 13:58

israeli ambassador to queenie has apologised for staffer's (first political officer) comments to a pro-israeli politician/media mole about smearing an unhelpful british minister - 'these views do not reflect the views of the ambassador or the government...' etc., etc., etc.

all that after teresa may went to bat for israel against kerry last week... tsk tsk!

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Postby Yagnasri » 09 Jan 2017 14:16

Did not brits voted against Israel in this UNSC voting?

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Postby Lalmohan » 09 Jan 2017 16:24

well... it doesn't matter which way the british voted; the issue is that the senior most political officer in the embassy of an ally or atleast a friendly country is recorded to be working towards smearing and removing from office a government minister of the host country whose views do not agree with their political objectives.

the conversation was around 'what has this guy got to hide that we can expose' so as to remove him from office, and who else might be vulnerable to such pressure

the fact that this is not dominating news in the UK now tells me that its all been brushed over by the two governments. However, I can tell you just from my FB feeds and those promoted by my british jewish friends that there is a very strong pro-settlement meme being put out there on social media; quite a lot of which is very aggressive and dismissive of any Palestinian concerns/views

opinions are being shaped

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby GShankar » 09 Jan 2017 18:02

I think the "new" powers realized, peace in palestine has contributed to non-peace in the surrounding region. So, better stir palestine again...!?

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 09 Jan 2017 18:55

not sure its that clever, the Israeli right want to have more settlements (and effective ethnic cleansing) and they have friends in Washington - its always been 'how best to leverage' that

luckily there are plenty of Israeli's who have a different opinion...

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Postby Lalmohan » 09 Jan 2017 18:56

you can just imagine the scope for leverage of smearing in the Indian context... (although our netas and babus can be quite brazen about it)

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Postby GShankar » 09 Jan 2017 19:13

yep, the israeli right thinks they can out defend and survive based on past performances. Since every jihadi organization is already a sworn enemy of israel, getting more settlements doesn't make it much worse (may be they think so) for israel.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 09 Jan 2017 20:01

WIKILEAKS Press Conference : Live

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YpKkqmkDkmJj



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