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Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Mar 2017 00:02

quite a lot of reports on twitter about wikileaks being hosted in Russia these days and that there is enough evidence to show that the hosting service can identify and track any readers of the wiki site and any whistle blowers who post on it...

the timing of wiki - leaks with external events is also looking interesting
1. the hillary dump when she was ahead in the final days
2. the cia dump when there is movement on the trump-russia investigation

getting through a lot of popcorn lately!

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Postby Austin » 18 Mar 2017 00:09

wikileaks servers are located at many places around the world for the reason it should not get blocked by any one entity.

Most of wikileaks partners are Western Media that outside the scope of corporate media , The only Russian media in the wikileaks list is RT

https://wikileaks.org/-Partners-.html

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 18 Mar 2017 00:10

Larry King interviews McAfee anti-virus founder over CIA

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/842467716640452610


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Postby Neshant » 18 Mar 2017 11:29

Austin wrote:wikileaks servers are located at many places around the world for the reason it should not get blocked by any one entity.

Most of wikileaks partners are Western Media that outside the scope of corporate media , The only Russian media in the wikileaks list is RT

https://wikileaks.org/-Partners-.html



I'm pretty sure Wikileaks is heavily infiltrated by intelligence agencies.

Anyone stupid enough to directly approach Wikileaks with a leak will be put on a govt sanctioned hit list pronto.

Its about the same level of stupidity as having Microsoft types partner with the Indian govt for database & other assistance in setting up a biometric national ID card. Surely the most bone headed move ever.

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Postby Austin » 18 Mar 2017 21:38

Neshant wrote:I'm pretty sure Wikileaks is heavily infiltrated by intelligence agencies.

Anyone stupid enough to directly approach Wikileaks with a leak will be put on a govt sanctioned hit list pronto.


Wikileaks is a huge organization and Assage is just a face for it.

The government do not know who leaked these report , Else they would have ended up in Prison like Chelsea Manning or Hunted and false cases filed like Snowden & Jullian.

Even the current CIA leaks Paul Ryan mentioned is limited to 30 guys and they are aggressively searching if these are leaked by Contractors or source Inside CIA.

The problem is the more the people they arrest or try to hunt , they will find more people in CIA/NSA or others who are willing to leak.

The kind of Surveillance US Citizen and even US Allies are under we know from Wikileaks in past few years would even put the KGB surveillance apparatus in East Germany to shame.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 18 Mar 2017 22:20

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/842929984054398980

[b]Update on CIA #Vault7 "zero day" software vulnerabilities[/b

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 18 Mar 2017 22:26

^^ It would be fair to say most of the US Companies be it Microsoft , CISCO ,Google and other work with US Government to deliberate create a backdoor to make it easier for the agency to hack into it.

Most Government would now be quietly moving away from many US Hardware and SW after these leaks and the response these companies show.

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Postby Neshant » 19 Mar 2017 04:05

Austin wrote:^^ It would be fair to say most of the US Companies be it Microsoft , CISCO ,Google and other work with US Government to deliberate create a backdoor to make it easier for the agency to hack into it.

Most Government would now be quietly moving away from many US Hardware and SW after these leaks and the response these companies show.


From foreign stock markets and banks to govt and individuals, any country dumb enough to keep using the above may as well have the words "Rob Me" tattooed on their foreheads.

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Postby Austin » 23 Mar 2017 14:16

^^ Is it possible to outright ban MS , CISCO and products from country that are known to be involved in introducing backdoors or co-opting with intel of other country ?

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 Mar 2017 14:16

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks

Obama (and Bush)'s extensive history of 'wire tapping' leaders, their staff, the UN, WTO and more


https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/844682344992792576

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 Mar 2017 14:41

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks 11h11 hours ago

DW interview with WikiLeaks' editor Julian Assange on CIA #Vault7, Syria & Trump (in English & Arabic)



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Postby Austin » 23 Mar 2017 14:42

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks 11h11 hours ago

DW interview with WikiLeaks' editor Julian Assange on CIA #Vault7, Syria & Trump (in English & Arabic)


https://youtu.be/9k_H9LMRyyQ?t=23m40s


^^ Starts at 23m30s

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Postby Austin » 27 Mar 2017 22:12

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/846369103749230594

Alexei Navalny, reportedly sentenced to 15 days for Sunday's protest, released this video about Medvedev on March 2


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Postby Austin » 27 Mar 2017 22:17

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/846137160692613121


19572 docs on Russian corruption & Alexis Navalny (archive)


https://search.wikileaks.org/?query=%28 ... ue#results

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Postby Austin » 27 Mar 2017 22:18

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/846356111162781696

Hillary Clinton's campaign advertising was uniquely policy free and negative--even compared to Trump's advertising


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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 27 Mar 2017 23:07

austin - i am avoiding clicking onto any link to wikileaks, what does the new leak say? is navalny mixed up with dodgy geesers?

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Postby Austin » 27 Mar 2017 23:26

Strange how Alexei Navalny himself a convicted criminal and accused in Fraud cases , Is now getting space in Wikileaks to target the ruling power base , Seems like Wikileaks have their own backhand contacts in Western Intelligence who is using Wikileaks to target Dimi and current administration & Russia.

Wikileaks showing its true colour ?

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Rishi Verma » 27 Mar 2017 23:34

Austin no one telling anyone to "trust" wikileaks. Wikileaks did come out with an exposè at one time and now it most likely is flooded with misinformation. Why you and philip get loongi in a twist "oh mother russia being defamed".

truth needs no defenders...

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 28 Mar 2017 02:53

some interesting things on twitter about how the SSL keys for wiki are in the hands of the FSB
i don't know what that means exactly but i read that FSB can trace wiki users and contributors
perhaps more learned people on the dhaga can illuminate?

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2017 10:57

Rishi Verma wrote:Austin no one telling anyone to "trust" wikileaks. Wikileaks did come out with an exposè at one time and now it most likely is flooded with misinformation. Why you and philip get loongi in a twist "oh mother russia being defamed".

truth needs no defenders...


There is no reason to distrust it either , Atleast so far no one has denied the authenticity of information that it has publish.

Most western MSM media and I am sure now even the Russians MSM will follow says its stolen data.

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2017 10:57

Lalmohan wrote:some interesting things on twitter about how the SSL keys for wiki are in the hands of the FSB
i don't know what that means exactly but i read that FSB can trace wiki users and contributors
perhaps more learned people on the dhaga can illuminate?


?

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2017 11:00

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks http://www.newsweek.com/assange-how-gua ... ory-323480

WikiLeaks' editor Julian Assange on Russia & Snowden


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Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2017 11:02

Libertarianism.org‏Verified account @libertarianism https://twitter.com/libertarianism/stat ... 8820836358

The CIA listens to @FreeThoughtsPod. http://buff.ly/2o2h10V

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Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2017 11:03

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks

RAND study: Zero Days, Thousands of Nights--The Life & Times of Zero-Day Vulnerabilities and Their Exploits


http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pu ... RR1751.pdf

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Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2017 19:16

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/846371438366019584

RAND study: Zero Days, Thousands of Nights--The Life & Times of Zero-Day Vulnerabilities and Their Exploits


http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pu ... RR1751.pdf

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Postby Austin » 29 Mar 2017 00:18

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/846371371412271105

How an intelligence consortium developed a covert plan to attack WikiLeaks and @GGreenwald for Bank of America



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Postby Austin » 30 Mar 2017 11:00

CNBC‏Verified account @CNBC https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/847086715135250432

Cisco learned from Wikileaks that the CIA had hacked its systems

When WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange disclosed earlier this month that his anti-secrecy group had obtained CIA tools for hacking into technology products made by U.S. companies, security engineers at Cisco Systems swung into action.

The Wikileaks documents described how the Central Intelligence Agency had learned more than a year ago how to exploit flaws in Cisco's widely used Internet switches, which direct electronic traffic, to enable eavesdropping.


Senior Cisco managers immediately reassigned staff from other projects to figure out how the CIA hacking tricks worked, so they could help customers patch their systems and prevent criminal hackers or spies from using the same methods, three employees told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

The Cisco engineers worked around the clock for days to analyze the means of attack, create fixes, and craft a stopgap warning about a security risk affecting more than 300 different products, said the employees, who had direct knowledge of the effort.


That a major U.S. company had to rely on WikiLeaks to learn about security problems well-known to U.S. intelligence agencies underscores concerns expressed by dozens of current and former U.S. intelligence and security officials about the government's approach to cybersecurity.

That policy overwhelmingly emphasizes offensive cyber-security capabilities over defensive measures, these people told Reuters, even as an increasing number of U.S. organizations have been hit by hacks attributed to foreign governments.

Larry Pfeiffer, a former senior director of the White House Situation Room in the Obama administration, said now that others were catching up to the United States in their cyber capabilities, "maybe it is time to take a pause and fully consider the ramifications of what we're doing."

U.S. intelligence agencies blamed Russia for the hack of the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 election. Nation-states are also believed to be behind the 2014 hack of Sony Pictures Entertainment and the 2015 breach of the U.S. Government's Office of Personnel Management.

CIA spokeswoman Heather Fritz Horniak declined to comment on the Cisco case, but said it was the agency's "job to be innovative, cutting-edge, and the first line of defense in protecting this country from enemies abroad."


The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the CIA and NSA, referred questions to the White House, which declined to comment.

Across the federal government, about 90 percent of all spending on cyber programs is dedicated to offensive efforts, including penetrating the computer systems of adversaries, listening to communications and developing the means to disable or degrade infrastructure, senior intelligence officials told Reuters.

President Donald Trump'sbudget proposal would put about $1.5 billion into cyber-security defense at the Department of Homeland Security. Private industry and the military also spend money to protect themselves.

But the secret part of the U.S. intelligence budget alone totaled about $50 billion annually as of 2013, documents leaked by NSA contractor Edward Snowden show. Just 8 percent of that figure went toward "enhanced cyber security," while 72 percent was dedicated to collecting strategic intelligence and fighting violent extremism.

Departing NSA Deputy Director Rick Ledgett confirmed in an interview that 90 percent of government cyber spending was on offensive efforts and agreed it was lopsided.

"It's actually something we're trying to address" with more appropriations in the military budget, Ledgett said. "As the cyber threat rises, the need for more and better cyberdefense and information assurance is increasing as well."

The long-standing emphasis on offense stems in part from the mission of the NSA, which has the most advanced cyber capabilities of any U.S. agency.

It is responsible for the collection of intelligence overseas and also for helping defend government systems. It mainly aids U.S. companies indirectly, by assisting other agencies.

"I absolutely think we should be placing significantly more effort on the defense, particularly in light of where we are with exponential growth in threats and capabilities and intentions," said Debora Plunkett, who headed the NSA's defensive mission from 2010 to 2014.

GOVERNMENT ROLE

How big a role the government should play in defending the private sector remains a matter of debate.

Former military and intelligence leaders such as ex-NSA Director Keith Alexander and former Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter say that U.S. companies and other institutions cannot be solely responsible for defending themselves against the likes of Russia, China, North Korea and Iran.

For tech companies, the government's approach is frustrating, executives and engineers say.

Sophisticated hacking campaigns typically rely on flaws in computer products. When the NSA or CIA find such flaws, under current policies they often choose to keep them for offensive attacks, rather than tell the companies.

In the case of Cisco, the company said the CIA did not inform the company after the agency learned late last year that information about the hacking tools had been leaked.

"Cisco remains steadfast in the position that we should be notified of all vulnerabilities if they are found, so we can fix them and notify customers," said company spokeswoman Yvonne Malmgren.

SIDE BY SIDE


A recent reorganization at the NSA, known as NSA21, eliminated the branch that was explicitly responsible for defense, the Information Assurance Directorate (IAD), the largest cyber-defense workforce in the government. Its mission has now been combined with the dominant force in the agency, signals intelligence, in a broad operations division.

Top NSA officials, including director Mike Rogers, argue that it is better to have offensive and defensive specialists working side by side. Other NSA and White House veterans contend that perfect defense is impossible and therefore more resources should be poured into penetrating enemy networks - both to head off attacks and to determine their origin.

Curtis Dukes, the last head of IAD, said in an interview after retiring last month that he feared defense would get even less attention in a structure where it does not have a leader with a direct line to the NSA director.

"It's incumbent on the NSA to say, 'This is an important mission'," Dukes said. "That has not occurred."

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Re: Wikileaks Diplomatic Cable Dump - News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 01 Apr 2017 10:42

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/847759470562246656

RELEASE: CIA Vault 7 Part 3 "Marble" -- thousands of CIA viruses and hacking attacks could now be attributed


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WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/847773877954543616

CIA's "Marble Framework" shows its hackers use potential decoy languages

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WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/847760697215811584

U.S. government spends 90% of its cyber budget attacking people and only 10% on defense.


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Julian Assange‏ @JulianAssange https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/statu ... 7302059008

Invito cordialmente al Señor Lasso que se retire del Ecuador en los próximos 30 días (con o sin sus millones offshore) #AssangeSILassoNO


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Postby Austin » 03 Apr 2017 10:35

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/848588871482920961

US 'progressives' are clinging on to false heroes like the FBI and CIA in their existential battle to dethrone Trump

The deep state now works for the 'good guys'

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Postby Austin » 03 Apr 2017 10:40

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/848602156076863488

U S Demands to Assassinate Assange

High-level U.S. government officials, including Clinton and Biden, demand for the assassination of Assange and to list WikiLeaks as a terrorist organization

Video: US figures inciting the assassination of our editor Julian Assange[/b]


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WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/848924510262886401

According to @EliLake Obama's NSC head Susan Rice opened US intelligence on Trump campaign on "dozens of occasions"

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White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The pattern of Rice's requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government's policy on "unmasking" the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally. Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like "U.S. Person One."

The National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, was conducting the review, according to two U.S. officials who spoke with Bloomberg View on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly. In February Cohen-Watnick discovered Rice's multiple requests to unmask U.S. persons in intelligence reports that related to Trump transition activities. He brought this to the attention of the White House General Counsel's office, who reviewed more of Rice's requests and instructed him to end his own research into the unmasking policy.

The intelligence reports were summaries of monitored conversations -- primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials. One U.S. official familiar with the reports said they contained valuable political information on the Trump transition such as whom the Trump team was meeting, the views of Trump associates on foreign policy matters and plans for the incoming administration.

Rice did not respond to an email seeking comment on Monday morning. Her role in requesting the identities of Trump transition officials adds an important element to the dueling investigations surrounding the Trump White House since the president's inauguration.

Both the House and Senate intelligence committees are probing any ties between Trump associates and a Russian influence operation against Hillary Clinton during the election. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Representative Devin Nunes, is also investigating how the Obama White House kept tabs on the Trump transition after the election through unmasking the names of Trump associates incidentally collected in government eavesdropping of foreign officials.

Rice herself has not spoken directly on the issue of unmasking. Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this," adding, "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that account today."

Rice's requests to unmask the names of Trump transition officials does not vindicate Trump's own tweets from March 4 in which he accused Obama of illegally tapping Trump Tower. There remains no evidence to support that claim.

But Rice's multiple requests to learn the identities of Trump officials discussed in intelligence reports during the transition period does highlight a longstanding concern for civil liberties advocates about U.S. surveillance programs. The standard for senior officials to learn the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected is that it must have some foreign intelligence value, a standard that can apply to almost anything. This suggests Rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law.

The news about Rice also sheds light on the strange behavior of Nunes in the last two weeks. It emerged last week that he traveled to the White House last month, the night before he made an explosive allegation about Trump transition officials caught up in incidental surveillance. At the time he said he needed to go to the White House because the reports were only on a database for the executive branch. It now appears that he needed to view computer systems within the National Security Council that would include the logs of Rice's requests to unmask U.S. persons.

The ranking Democrat on the committee Nunes chairs, Representative Adam Schiff, viewed these reports on Friday. In comments to the press over the weekend he declined to discuss the contents of these reports, but also said it was highly unusual for the reports to be shown only to Nunes and not himself and other members of the committee.

Indeed, much about this is highly unusual: if not how the surveillance was collected, then certainly how and why it was disseminated.

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Postby Lalmohan » 04 Apr 2017 01:12

so the problem is - if you are collecting intel on a foreign suspect and one of your citizens starts talking to him... you automatically start collecting (incidentally) intel on your own citizen - without targeting him...

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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2017 10:47

Lalmohan wrote:so the problem is - if you are collecting intel on a foreign suspect and one of your citizens starts talking to him... you automatically start collecting (incidentally) intel on your own citizen - without targeting him...


The problem is more of unmasking of name that would put her in big trouble punishable upto 10 years.

The other issue of incidental collection is it was authorised a year back on DT team and many of which had nothing to do with Russia.

Interesting times ahead !

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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2017 10:48

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/849046555067916288

If true this is the U.S. surveillance state that WikiLeaks has been warning people about for a decade
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/

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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2017 10:50

WikiLeaks‏Verified account @wikileaks https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/848935961484460032

Full text of Trump staff financial disclosures including Jared & Ivanka, Bannon, Spicer

The White House Wouldn’t Post Trump Staffers’ Financial Disclosures. So We Did.

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Postby Lalmohan » 04 Apr 2017 13:51

Austin wrote:The other issue of incidental collection is it was authorised a year back on DT team and many of which had nothing to do with Russia.


i haven't seen that specifically anywhere so far...

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Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2017 18:22

Lalmohan wrote:
Austin wrote:The other issue of incidental collection is it was authorised a year back on DT team and many of which had nothing to do with Russia.


i haven't seen that specifically anywhere so far...


Thats what Nunes said

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/27/the-inte ... -says.html

Hannity

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