Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near temple

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Mauli » 08 Dec 2010 11:02

you a Banarsi?


Haan guru banarasi hai hum, kouno pareshani hou ka?

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Postby Pratyush » 08 Dec 2010 11:03

^^^
Even I consider my self an honourary Banarasi due to my families connection with the city.

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Postby niran » 08 Dec 2010 11:11

Mauli wrote:
you a Banarsi?


Haan guru banarasi hai hum, kouno pareshani hou ka?

nahi kawnon parayshani nahi hai, hum Chetganj key hai,
agar aap ki kirpa hoi to aap kamalini at truemail dot co dot th per daak bhej sakte hain.

on topic:

Two brothers arrested at Mumbai released as innocent hacked wifi owners
one Dr. Shahnawaj from Azamgarh now in Sharjhah is considered the mastermind
One 2 year old kid is the fatality(hopefully it remain constant)
among 41 injured 7 are in serious condition, with one requiring Head surgery.
the blast occurred precisely at 1821hours Benaras Standard Time midway of the evening Arti
One 1+ year old kid is separated from her parents in the hulla ballo

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Postby niran » 08 Dec 2010 12:00

Folks, the blast occurred at "Sheetla Mata Ghat" not at Dashaswamedh as most of the NEWS outlets
have been reporting.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Vasu » 08 Dec 2010 12:21

Some news channel was quoting the Home Minister Pee Chidambaram as saying this was an act by "misguided" outfits.

Hey, you never know, maybe the CONgress actually does something about this to divert attention from their greed and deception.

The banks of the Ganges have been bloodied again. Eh, no harm done at 10 Janpath.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Philip » 08 Dec 2010 12:48

Gentlemen,we all know who has aimed the gun,no matter who actually pulled the trigger.The "entity of evil" has many slaves.In the aftermath of 26/11 and the fact that Pak's evil hand was cuaght in the act-Kasab,and the volume of evidence pointing to the masterminds of Pakistan who planned and executed the act has been so overwhelming, that even the international community has castigated Pak for it.A repeat of terror on such a scale would force even this weak-kneed govt. of Dr.Singh to take some military action,which in Pak's desperate situation of the moment,beseiged on almost every front,could widen the cracks that hold it together.Another perceived military defeat for Pak would send the reputation of the Paki army into the abyss and perhaps usher in the start of a revolution.

Pak therefore cannot conduct -unless it is insane,attacks of the intensity and sensitivity of 26/11.It needs however to keep attacks on a smaller scale occuring with regularity,so as to keep the GOI off balance ,boost morale of its terror networks and as PR for new recruits,try and engineer communal tension and disturbances within India to polarise the two major communities and keep on attempts to pull India down financially through its campaign of counterfeiting and slowing down our growth rate through its various nefarious acts of terror,etc.

Therefore,what can this or any other GOI do? Pak is being propped up by two main sponsors,the US and China.We have had very little influence upon China,thanks to our pacifism,remembering however that we have never played the two "T" cards at all.There are a range of options that we can use agauinst China,especially economic,making it v.difficult for Chinese entities to do business with India,banning Chinese workers from working in India,etc.Stapling all visa applications form China,thereby hinting at the fact that the real China is democratic Taiwan!

With the US however, we now find that by buying large amounts of US def. eqpt. we are actually financing the US's arms aid package to Pak which it uses not against the Afghan taliban,but against India! This is a ridiculous situation,one entirely the fault of the MMS regime,which cannot think beyond its nose and selfish interests.Therefore,suspending major arms buying from the US will force it to put pressure upon Pak if it is at all interested in assisting in the security of India.We could also downgrade the entire military cooperation structure with the US as a penalty for its Nelsonian eye towards Pak's anti-Indian terror and support for this diabolic Paki army/ISI.

As for Pak,if we are loath to take military action against it for whatever reason,a whole range of diplomatic options are there which can grow in severity with each further terror attack.Not punishing Pak whenever there is a terror attack against India is the equivalent of effectively handing over the country's security to our mortal enemy.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby arjunm » 08 Dec 2010 13:20

EXCELLENT VIDEO ON MAHA ARATI AT THE GHAT WHEN THE PIGS CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE


http://hinduexistence.wordpress.com/



No shrapnels in Varanasi bomb: Police

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... ticleshow/

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby abhischekcc » 08 Dec 2010 14:02

^^ Someone in my office was saying that these blasts were caried out by Hindu groups

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby ShivaS » 08 Dec 2010 14:30

ofcourse they are Hindu terrorists trained by Purohit, cant you see they happened during aarathi, which needs a purohit/pujari/pandith/maharaj to co ordinate.
Case closed.
{ even the media is harpening long gone Ayodhya as motivator for Hindu extremists)

Oh by the way I forgot the most obvious clue, the hindu bums are always fizzles one one or two killed, be it in Mecca Masjid or Kalighat kasi ghat, if it were to TSPaki sponsored bum it would be powerfull ....

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 14:36

1 jehadi bum == 10 x SDRE shivering dhoti bums

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 14:55

can someone check the timeline of the blast (18.21) against when Sarko made his pakistan==terror speech at the Taj?

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby shiv » 08 Dec 2010 15:11

I believe the Dec 7th blast may have been connected with Dec 6th Babri Masjid incident.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby kmkraoind » 08 Dec 2010 15:12

UP ignored specific terror input: Chidambaram

"In February 2010, a specific advisory was given regarding the Sheetla Ghat. Nobody can expect a more specific input. It is the duty of every state government to provide security," the home minister told reporters in Varanasi.


May be its rude, what is Mr. Chidambaram smoking. What a pathetic irresponsible behavior, see the time line, when he knows about a specific output in February, a good 10-month ahead, why did not he act, then remove the badge of Home Minister. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 15:39

shiv wrote:I believe the Dec 7th blast may have been connected with Dec 6th Babri Masjid incident.


undoubtedly
but as the cover story
not the root cause

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Philip » 08 Dec 2010 15:41

Shame on you PC.A warning issued in Feb 10th is meant to be used in a blast in Dec.! It is a clear case of PC behaving like Pontius Pilate.

Yes,state govts. have their share of local responsibility,but these terror attacks have a wider dimension which extend across the borders into Pak.Therefore,all security arms of the govt. have to assist local govts. in clear accurate intel. to enable them to act in time.This is easier said than done no doubt,as we now know that all our assets in Pak were closed down (no) thanks to Gujral and his infamous doctrine.The monitoring of local Paki sponsored elements like SIMI,IM,etc. have to be done with greater endeavour.Our missions abroad have extra work too as we've found out how the Pune bakery bombers were trained in explosives in Colombo.We also need far better CCTV monitoring of sensitive spots like religious places of worship,govt. institutions,hotels,places of large public gathering like malls,etc.,so that even if a terror incident happens,we can use the evidence gathered to bring the perpetrators to book.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby shiv » 08 Dec 2010 16:22

Philip wrote:We also need far better CCTV monitoring of sensitive spots like religious places of worship,govt. institutions,hotels,places of large public gathering like malls,etc.,so that even if a terror incident happens,we can use the evidence gathered to bring the perpetrators to book.


This is the simplest thing which really should be instituted.

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Postby Pranav » 08 Dec 2010 16:39

shiv wrote:
Gagan wrote:OK,
Will the BRFites list 5 things that they want GoI to do like now?

Please go ahead, I am sure there are a lot of important people reading this page.


1) State up front that the idea that Muslims cannot live among Hindus was the same idea that created Pakistan
2) It is the same idea that is being used by terrorist groups like the Let and HUJI with state support from Pakistan
3) It is the same idea that is being spouted by the so called "Indian mujahideen"
4) Terrorism by Islamic groups in India is directly linked to the idea that created Pakistan
5) Support to Pakistan from the USA and other nations is directly against Indian interests and directly contribute to terrorism in India.


Actually one has to discredit and delegitimize the narrative of Islamist victimhood and supremacism. For example, one could make Koenraad Elst's "Negationism in India" book compulsory in all schools. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negationis ... d_of_Islam)

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby SwamyG » 08 Dec 2010 18:35

Pranav wrote:Actually one has to discredit and delegitimize the narrative of Islamist victimhood and supremacism. For example, one could make Koenraad Elst's "Negationism in India" book compulsory in all schools. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negationis ... d_of_Islam)

:rotfl: We are talking about India, I hope you remember that :-)

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Postby Pranav » 08 Dec 2010 19:27

SwamyG wrote:
Pranav wrote:Actually one has to discredit and delegitimize the narrative of Islamist victimhood and supremacism. For example, one could make Koenraad Elst's "Negationism in India" book compulsory in all schools. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negationis ... d_of_Islam)

:rotfl: We are talking about India, I hope you remember that :-)


Yes, yes, I know ... wishes, horses etc.

But we were asked what the GoI should do. Obviously security will have to be improved, social disturbances prevented etc. But I made a point which addresses root causes. If the powers that be cannot take proper steps, it is symptomatic of a deeper malaise.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 19:35

actually, the paks have been very chankiyan
they are able to operate with impunity because they can maintain plausible deniability in these scenarios
we are caught in the reactive trap
only way out is to get proactive and hit them where it hurts

1. targetted assassinations of key ISI officers
2. concerted effort to bankrupt fauji inc.
3. up the ante in afghanistan

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Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 19:47

BM or RJB verdict all are cover stories. The root is Islamist terrorism. No point in duelling about cover stories.

Lalmohan, The Pakis can act because the Centre can pass the buck to states claiming law and order is a state subject. Its because the rot is at the top.

The MHA has shown himself to be a mere politician. When he took over form the other dapper dresser, people were singing paens about how effective he would be.
BTW, his statement blaming the UP govt is almost a year to date when he set off the Telangana bomb in AP. This guy is a splittist not an integrator. Add to his remarks on saffron terror he has three strikes already.

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Postby RamaY » 08 Dec 2010 19:52

Gagan wrote:What do you want to say to an Indian Muslim father who's daughter is married to a Pakistani man from Karachi or vice versa - that they can't travel and meet family because a group of SOBs exploded a bomb in Varanasi?


With due respect...

We are yet to hear a Indian Muslim organization/forum to
- Call out all Indian Muslims to castigate anyone supporting Indian Mujahideen actions, logic, literature. Declare them non-muslims and report any such activity to Indian Police forces
- Publicly declare that Indian Muslims consider Gods of all other religions as same as Allah and all Hindu/Christian/Buddhist/Sikh/Jain/etc religious places as holy places and Indian Muslims must treat them the same way they want non-muslims to treat Mecca.
- Demand that their Pakistani relatives do not support/fund any religious-terrorist organization that hurts Indian Interests.

Till then you cannot demand the other side to show understanding and passion...

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby brihaspati » 08 Dec 2010 20:44

Concrete steps that the government could take ???? After the incident????

Assuming that every step should be subject to the overweaning requirement that "communal harmony" must be "preserved" at "all costs" [now that becomes a problem - who sets the "costs" or who defines what price must be paid? whose demands have to be met to what degree? ]

(1) the government could immediately dismiss all police, secret service personnel responsible for securing the area - and automatically make them subject of investigation as to possible complicity
(2) dismiss the state government that fails to dismiss the officers
(3) pass a bill in the parliament that requires automatic dismissal of any state government where non-accidental blasts happen
(4) that the existing cabinet has to resign if it is proved by a timed delimited commission of enquiry set up under the Supreme Court that proves that the centre also shares responsibility for the blasts to have proceeded [like not sharing information, or sending requested help etc]

It is impossible to believe that the local police and security services do not have a finger in the pie of the criminal and political underworld. They know how and when and where things are moving, who is fa***** and how much. If they have not moved to stop something, it is because either they have succumbed to fear or to greed. Fear could be of political, admin, or religious bosses. Greed could come from the same sources. But when they took up their duties and oath - it was to serve the country and rise above the other stuff. They willingly and knowingly signed the contract even if it was "low pay/benefit" and that dissatisfaction cannot be used as an excuse. Most of the time that duty is expressed in beating up or taking advantage of the innocent but if they have failed in the real sphere they must take the responsibility. They are superbly efficient when one of their own gets eliminated - no political pressure, no greed, no fear seems to hamper justice!

Gentlemen, if the authorities do not have to pay any price for blasts happening, be they police, security services, admin, politicians - then how do you expect to prevent blasts from occurring in the future?

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 20:47

Couple of reports from Pioneer

Police clueless about nature of explosive
December 08, 2010 8:59:56 PM

IANS | Lucknow

A day after a terror attack killed a minor girl in Varanasi, the Uttar Pradesh Police was Wednesday clueless about the nature of explosives that struck terror on the bank of the Ganga.

"We have not found any circuit, battery, remote-control device, shrapnel or splinters from the blast site. We are not able to ascertain the nature of explosives and the mechanism of the blast," Additional Director General of Police Brij Lal told reporters here.

"Whatever remnants we have got are being examined by forensic experts and central agencies. It is only later that we will be able to confirm the nature of the explosives," said Lal.

He added that the Anti-Terrorist Squad would carry out the probe into the blast that till now was being conducted by the district police.

He said a total of 31 people injured in the blast were still being treated in various hospitals in Varanasi.

"While a girl (Swastika Sharma) died, 36 people were injured in the blast and the subsequent stampede. I have learnt that several people received injures from stone chips that hit them. The stone chips were probably from the cemented structures set up along the ghats," said Lal.

Asked if police had found any evidence of the Indian Mujahideen's involvement, Lal said: "At present, we have not found the involvement of any organisation, module, individual that can be linked to the blast.

"I would like to stress on the fact that till now no one has been detained or arrested."

The blast took place Tuesday evening when hundreds were watching the 'maha aarti' - when devotees float numerous earthen lamps on the river.



and

Pak's Bhatkal brothers behind blasts: Mum PoliceDecember 08, 2010 9:00:04 PM

IANS | Mumbai

Riyaz and Iqbal Bhatkal of terror group Indian Mujahideen are responsible for Tuesday's blast in Varanasi that claimed a small girl's life, Mumbai Police Commissioner Sanjeev Dayal said Wednesday, adding that they were operating from Pakistan.

"The evidence gathered by the police in connection with the terror attack in Varanasi points to the involvement of Indian Mujahideen's Riyaz and Iqbal Bhatkal. The modus operandi points towards them," Dayal said.

"They are both operating from Pakistan," he added.

Dayal also said that till such time the Bhatkal brothers are not arrested, Mumbai will remain on high alert.

"A meeting of Maharashtra's director general of police, the police commissioners of Mumbai and Navi Mumbai and others had been called, where the decision was taken," he said.

The Bhatkal brothers' had also emerged as prime suspects in the February 2010 German bakery blast in Pune.

Banned terrorist outfit Indian Mujahideen, allegedly founded by the Bhatkal brothers, has claimed responsibility for the Varansi attack.

An e-mail sent to media houses soon after the blast said: "Indian Mujahideen attribute(s) this attack to the 6th of December that will haunt your nation of world's 'greatest demoNcracy' until Muslims are paid back justly and fairly for the loss of their beloved Babri Masjid, the precious lives of their near and dear ones, their pride, dignity and self-respect."

A two-year-old girl child was killed and over 30 people, including a few foreigners, were injured when a bomb exploded on the banks of the Ganga during Tuesday evening's 'maha aarti'.

Dayal earlier said that the e-mails claiming responsibility for the Varanasi blast were tracked to Navi Mumbai.

"The e-mails have been sent after hacking an unsecured WiFi connection in Vashi township in Navi Mumbai, not from Mumbai's (western suburb) Malad," Dayal said.

Mumbai police had earlier detained two people - Akhil and Nikhil Talreja - for questioning but said they had been released. However, in an SMS sent to IANS, Akhil said he was still being questioned Wednesday evening.

Maharashtra Home Minister R.R. Patil urged WiFi users "to secure their connections so that terrorist outfits cannot break into them".


Looks like there is no coordination between the two state polcies. I wonder when the NIA gets invovled. If the crime crosses two states shouldn't it become an NIA jurisdciton? Or is it a MHA pet scheme? If it is still to be considered as local crime then why create the NIA? To harass politicial opponents just as CBI is misused?

Points to be noted:

UP State Police do not have forensic crime lab resources. The fact that the explosive was not yet identified shows that. And the district police being in charge of the investigation shows lack of seriousness. The ATS is only now being called to take charge.

Meanwhile Maharasthra Police is merrily making their own conclusions. They are yet to find the e-mail senders and yet are coming to conculsions. Also if Vashi is the location of the unsecure wifi router won't the chaps be around 300 feet of it in Vashi? Its not like someone is roaming around with a laptop to send five page e-mail! So search all areas within a km of the router. And those two jokers with the unsecure router must have seen others log into their router to check it out early on. So their computer wifi router log would show that others were logging on.

As long as there is lack of professionalism (Maha Police shouldn't make any claims till UP Police is on board) and speak in one voice this mess will continue. And when will Center grant the funds for forensic labs?

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Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 20:51

ramana, i think that these guys really are roaming around looking for unsecured wifis to use. its easy to do, throws security agencies off the scent, etc.

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Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 20:58

Still they were roaming in Vashi right not Malad? And why don't the folks with routers not secure them. By negligence they are becoming enablers for terrorists.

Still looks like Maharastra is the hotbed of the Indian Mujhadeen type disgruntled groups and that is a failure of the Maha police and claiming Bhatkals are in Pak doesnt cut any ice. Its their underlings who should be rolled up and not the worry about big wigs.

Again all criminals (D Company and other of their genre) who are now interlinked with terroists(LeT and Ind Mujs and what not) are from Maharastra where the ruling and opposition parties are in close nexus with criminals. Its the Maha police that needs to be reorganised for the security of India.

Note Babri Masjid was in UP. Yet most terrorists are from Mumbai and its surroundings. Why? I think its the D Company and its infiltration by ISI. Yet Maha politicians and police treat it as a criminal problem instead of national security issue.

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Postby negi » 08 Dec 2010 21:10

What if we Brahmos the ISI headquarters out of the blue , seriously 'kaun kya ukhaad lega' ?

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Postby SwamyG » 08 Dec 2010 21:14

Pranav wrote:Yes, yes, I know ... wishes, horses etc.

But we were asked what the GoI should do. Obviously security will have to be improved, social disturbances prevented etc. But I made a point which addresses root causes. If the powers that be cannot take proper steps, it is symptomatic of a deeper malaise.

I like India to stand tall and call out the countries that directly and indirectly are causing all this hungama and trauma. To solve any problem, the problem statement has to be clearly identified and stated. Looks like India does not even want to clearly state the problem statement out in the public. Like America calls out Iran, North Korea and others; China articulating its positions and expectations; India should call out the countries. It should use the media (wishful thinking) to inform the Indian public of the issues it is facing.

If India cannot call out because:
1) It will have economic repercussions
2) The covert attacks will increase from piglets
3) Panda will overtly turn hostile and increase border skirmishes and other takleef.
4) Bald Eagle will overtly turn hostile and slam sanctions, cut outsourcing, reduce business ityadi

Broadly, India by calling out will suffer in terms of:
a) Increased security threats - internal and external
b) Adverse impact on economy.

Do BRFites think, India is silently suffering for the sake of long term prosperity and growth, there by compromising on short term human deaths?

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Riza Zaman » 08 Dec 2010 21:23

pakis are a hard spot regarding their strategy to India. They know they can't pull of another 26-11, parliament attack or anything large scale. If they do, India might make good on the Army's plans of brigade level raids on terrorist camps in POK - which will lead to an exponential escalation given the current posture of pak's forces in the FATA. Therefore, they're resorting to these small (no less tragic) attacks. We need to pull the trigger on the economic gun and choking their markets. We're pulling all the right moves in Afghanistan and Balochistan, we need to keep up the pressure.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 21:50

Riza, Absolutely right. I had suggested the Pak Economic stress thread to watch, however members haven't latched on to the purpose of the thread and lkeep posting ianane stuff. I think its tottering and kicking a frame or two will bring it down or make it costly for the 3.5 to support it.

Meanwhile some details of the IED emerge

Forensic Team examines the samples from site

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Sources in the Forensic Team from Agra at work on the blast site, confided to the HT that around 3.5 kg Amonium Nitrate could have been used in the explosive, which killed a little girl and injured around 40 others.

It’s still not clear whether IED was used to trigger the explosive or not as no circumstantial evidence from the blast site could be found till now to corroborate the use of IED.

Also, small pieces of aluminum have been recovered from the blast site, making it clear that Aluminum was used in tandem with Amonium Nitrate in the low-medium intensity explosive.
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A team of Mumbai Police also arrived along with Union Home Minister P Chidambaram in Varanasi to streamline investigations.

Sources in the team confided that the mail purportedly sent to certain media houses by Indian Mujahideen operatives was sent from a Navi Mumbai area using a WI-FI connection.

“It’s the second time the WI-FI connection has been hacked in Mumbai to send hate mail by the IM operatives. First time it was hacked by the IM after the German Bakery attack in Pune in Febaruary 2010,” one of the Mumbai Police officials said.

Intelligence sleuths are also working on possibility of IM mastermind sitting in Pakistan to trigger the Tuesday evening blast in the Ganga Arti.

Work is underway to trace the route of IM from East UP to Nepal and also the sleeper modules of IM and SIMI working in disguised names particularly in East UP districts
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So was the milk container from the defused IED made of Aluminium or Stainless steel?

Anyway good to see some coordination and central intervention.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby RamaY » 08 Dec 2010 22:25

Riza Zaman wrote:pakis are a hard spot regarding their strategy to India. They know they can't pull of another 26-11, parliament attack or anything large scale. If they do, India might make good on the Army's plans of brigade level raids on terrorist camps in POK - which will lead to an exponential escalation given the current posture of pak's forces in the FATA. Therefore, they're resorting to these small (no less tragic) attacks. We need to pull the trigger on the economic gun and choking their markets. We're pulling all the right moves in Afghanistan and Balochistan, we need to keep up the pressure.


We thought the same after Parliament attack and Op-Parakram. Then came Mumbai train bombs, 11/26 etc., All Pakistan needs is another S-e-S from MMS, the PM of India, to make the next move.

Economic pressure could be the only option MMS, PM of India, might like to use.

But it can backfire too. Economic pressure will hurt all Pakistanis, including those innocent type especially the relatives of IMs. One must take this into calculation.

India has been a victim of Paki terrorism for decades. It shows the intellectual/innovation vacuum in Indian military/political strategy, that India doesn't have any infrastructure developed to make pin-point overt/covert strikes on Paki terrorists.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 22:31

I request don't use this thread for psy-ops on members who get iriritated and end up getting banned.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 22:54

ammonium nitrate is fertiliser, commonly available - needs mixing with an oxidiser to become explosive
3.5 kilos of it is not very much for damage purposes
milk dabba is likely to be aluminium - hence shrapnel
i suspect that DDM and local police are doing usual satyameva jayate routine
could be ISI remote mentoring of local goons to do the job without leaving much of a footprint

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 22:58

LM, Also fertilizer grade has ammonium sulphate which is hygroscopic added to preclude this use. If MHA was really serious they would insist that MCF issue new guidelines to prevent usage for explosions.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 23:00

an additive added after various Irish groups achieved significant success with the technique in the early 70's
same is also true for various commercially available chlorate compounds

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Rahul M » 08 Dec 2010 23:01

negi wrote:What if we Brahmos the ISI headquarters out of the blue , seriously 'kaun kya ukhaad lega' ?

you know, that might not be such a bad idea after all.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby SBajwa » 08 Dec 2010 23:08

by Ramanna
Moral of story secure your wifi networks.


1. General awareness to people on how to secure their network., along with listed MAC address of all their internet devices (wi-fi phones, music players, picture frames, televisions, games, etc).

2. Intelligence agencies should set up the local cells all over India (at least 5 in each city) where they keep few unsecured wireless connection hoping to catch these criminals. It is really easy to hire a computers graduate in India who will serve the country. Anybody piggy backing the "free internet" on their neighbourhood "unsecured networks" should be a crime against public with X rupees as s fine.

3. Create and implement a Cyber crime as a Felony or manslaughter. Apart from sending threatening emails and other fraud.

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Dec 2010 23:13

now that BCCI is no more, the jarnails must be using something else to flush their funds around the world. these flows have to be found and stopped - by any means necessary

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Re: Welcome Back Pakistan: Blast in Varanasi at ghat near te

Postby ramana » 08 Dec 2010 23:14

In addition at least in Mumbai, the local police should have contacts to get scoop on questionable characters signing up.

I think this is already there hence the use of unsecured wifi routers. My point is these are not e-mails of opportunity. Someone has scouted the area and knows the available routers of opportunity.
Can the internet provider be required to ensure the router setup at the customer site has login/access data for some fixed period?


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