Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby vimal » 21 Dec 2020 00:28

IndraD wrote:http://muslimmirror.com/eng/saudi-arabia-deports-indians-for-protesting-against-caa/
Saudi deports Indians protesting against Modi & NRC-CAA


Must've come as a shock to these namak-haraams when the fountainhead of Ummah did this to them. Also, made them realize that it's only India that tolerates such nonsense, other states are not as lenient.

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby soumik » 21 Dec 2020 01:11

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcTUoS3yKQ[/youtube]

Do watch in full, this is how fast Saudi Arabia is changing. At Al Ula in the desert Saudi Arabia has built a temporary tourist spot with a view towards building a more permanent system as they go along & it gets more popular as of now these are things here that you do not get elsewhere in the desert nation.

1)Veil less women
2)Women & men dancing & socializing together.
3)Alcohol
4)Pre Islamic writings on religion & society , also pre Islamic monuments.

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby IndraD » 21 Dec 2020 01:46

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/saudi ... udy-652256
New monarch MbS has ordered removal of hate texts against Jews & modernisation of Islamic studies in curriculum

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby g.sarkar » 24 Dec 2020 03:17

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/p ... trump.html
U.S. Considers Granting Immunity to Saudi Prince in Suspected Assassination Attempt
If the request is granted, it could potentially provide a legal basis to dismiss a separate case against Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.
By Pranshu Verma and Mark Mazzetti, Dec. 22, 2020

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering a request to grant Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia immunity from a federal lawsuit that accuses him of trying to kill a former Saudi intelligence official living in Canada, legal documents related to the case show.
If the request is granted, the State Department’s recommendation could potentially provide a legal basis to dismiss other cases against the prince, most notably one where he is accused of directing the assassination of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi in 2018, a person familiar with the case said.
The immunity request stems from a case involving Saad Aljabri, a former top aide in the Saudi Interior Ministry, who in August publicly accused Prince Mohammed of sending a team of agents to Canada to kill him. His lawsuit offered little evidence to back up his claims.
State Department officials last month gave lawyers for Mr. Aljabri a questionnaire asking for their legal views on Saudi Arabia’s request to grant the prince immunity against claims made in the lawsuit, documents show.
It is unclear whether the State Department will suggest that immunity be granted in this case or whether a decision will be made before Jan. 20, when President Trump, who has publicly supported Prince Mohammed, leaves office.
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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby ArjunPandit » 24 Dec 2020 07:41

chetak wrote:
palestinians are known trouble makers known for their demanding ways all over the gulf region. they are not hard working or even willing workers and think that they are entitled to everything and the arabs must compensate them for all the "alleged" hardships that they have been subjected to by the israelis

they seem to think that the whole world owes them everything and that too for free.

these guys are highly political by nature and interfere constantly in local affairs and so they are generally shunned and kicked around because of this reason

You can easily replace Palestinians with Pakistan's and it would still be true

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Feb 2021 09:43

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/saud ... 210227.htm
Saudi prince approved killing of Khashoggi: US report
By Lalit K Jha, February 27, 2021 08:32 IST
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation to capture or kill journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, according to a United States intelligence report submitted to Congress.

Fifty-nine-year-old Khashoggi, a dissident Saudi journalist who lived in the US as a legal permanent resident and wrote for the Washington Post, was critical of the prince's policies and was killed in the Saudi Arabian Consulate in the Turkish city on October 2, 2018.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in the report that at the time of the Khashoggi murder, the prince probably fostered an environment in which aides were afraid that failure to complete assigned tasks might result in him firing or arresting them.
This suggests that the aides were unlikely to question the prince's orders or undertake sensitive actions without his consent, said the report dated February 11, a declassified portion of which was submitted to Congress on Friday.
"We assess that Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman approved an operation in Istanbul, Turkey, to capture or kill Saudi journalist Khashoggi," it said.
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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby ramana » 01 Mar 2021 03:43

Why did MBS approve of the killing of Jamal Kashoggi?

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby bharathp » 01 Mar 2021 04:52

ramana wrote:Why did MBS approve of the killing of Jamal Kashoggi?

is that a rhetorical question? Jamal kashoggi was like a dissident columnist writing in the washington post against the state of KSA.

he was wanted for a while in KSA and fled the state into exile in turkey.
and since the only way to get him was in the saudi consulate in turkey (the guy's grandfather was from turkey) - they (ksa deepstate) needed MBS's blessings to control the winds that would blow because of the killings inside of the KSA consulate.

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Postby Ambar » 01 Mar 2021 05:24

Khashoggi himself was no angel, he was the part of the KSA power circle and lost out after the palace intrigue which ended in MBS coming to power. Isnt Jamal Khashoggi related to the notorious Adnan Khashoggi the arms dealer who supplied arms to everyone from Pakis, PLO, Colombian drug traffickers, leftists guerrillas and even the LTTE ?

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby Prem » 01 Mar 2021 05:30

Ambar wrote:Khashoggi himself was no angel, he was the part of the KSA power circle and lost out after the palace intrigue which ended in MBS coming to power. Isnt Jamal Khashoggi related to the notorious Adnan Khashoggi the arms dealer who supplied arms to everyone from Pakis, PLO, Colombian drug traffickers, leftists guerrillas and even the LTTE ?

And he was commission agent for RG/ Congress.

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby ramana » 03 Mar 2021 06:52

bharathp wrote:
ramana wrote:Why did MBS approve of the killing of Jamal Kashoggi?

is that a rhetorical question? Jamal kashoggi was like a dissident columnist writing in the washington post against the state of KSA.

he was wanted for a while in KSA and fled the state into exile in turkey.
and since the only way to get him was in the saudi consulate in turkey (the guy's grandfather was from turkey) - they (ksa deepstate) needed MBS's blessings to control the winds that would blow because of the killings inside of the KSA consulate.

How many dissident journalists were killed by KSA?
Why do you think its rhetorical question?

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby bharathp » 03 Mar 2021 07:50

ramana wrote:How many dissident journalists were killed by KSA?
Why do you think its rhetorical question?


I dunno how many are killed by KSA. but I would think, this caused a huge uproar because this was done in turkey - not really a friendly nation.

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby Vips » 02 Apr 2021 19:21

Power play: India wields oil 'weapon' to cut dependence on Saudi Arabia.

When India’s government last month asked refiners to speed up diversification and reduce dependence on the Middle East - days after Opec+ said it would maintain production cuts - it sent a message about its clout and foreshadowed changes to the world’s energy maps.

It was a move that had been in the works for years, fuelled by repeated comments from oil minister Dharmendra Pradhan, who in 2015 called oil
purchases a “weapon” for his country.


When the Organisation of Oil Exporting Countries and Major Producers (Opec+) extended the production cuts into April, India unsheathed that weapon. Indian refiners plan to cut imports from the Kingdom by about a quarter in May, sources told Reuters, dropping them to 10.8 million barrels from monthly average of 14.7-14.8 million barrels.

Oil secretary Tarun Kapoor, the top bureaucrat in the ministry, told Reuters that India is asking state refiners to jointly negotiate with oil producers to get better deals, but declined to comment on plans to cut Saudi imports.

Saudi's response on India's oil reserves 'undiplomatic', says Dharmendra Pradhan. “India is a big market so sellers have to be mindful of our country’s demand as well to keep the long-term relationship intact,” he said.

The Saudi state oil company Saudi Aramco and the Saudi energy ministry declined to comment. Pradhan, who sees high oil prices as a threat to India’s recovering economy, said he was saddened by the Opec+ decision. India’s fuel import bill has rocketed, and fuel prices – inflated by government taxes imposed last year - have hit records.

The International Energy Agency forecasts India’s consumption to double and its oil import bill to nearly triple from 2019 levels to more than $250 billion by 2040. An oil ministry official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the Opec+ cuts have created India's top crude oil suppliers in February

An oil ministry official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the Opec+ cuts have created uncertainity and made it difficult for the refiners to plan for procurement and price risk

It also creates opportunities for companies in the Americas, Africa, Russia and elsewhere to fill the gap.

If India is successful, it will set an example for other countries. As buyers see more affordable choices and renewable energy becomes increasingly common, the influence of big producers like Saudi Arabia could wane, altering geopolitics and trade routes.

India has reduced the share of crude oil imports from the Middle East in recent years:

How India plans to reduce its dependence on Middle East oil

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Diversification drive

India’s oil demand has risen by 25% in the last seven years - more than any other major buyer - and the country has surpassed Japan as the world’s third-largest oil importer and consumer.

The country has already curbed its reliance on the Middle East from more than 64% of imports in 2016 to below 60% in 2019.

That trend reversed in 2020, however, when the pandemic pummelled fuel demand and forced Indian refiners to make committed oil purchases from the Middle East under term contracts, shunning spot purchases.

As India shifts gears again after Pradhan’s call for faster diversification, refineries are looking for new suppliers, the oil ministry official said.

Costly refinery upgrades that allow for the processing of cheaper, heavier oil grades have encouraged importers to seek out far-flung sources. HPCL-Mittal Energy Ltd bought the country’s first cargo from Guyana this month, and Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals Ltd just imported Brazilian Tupi crude for the first time.

In past years, refiners have jointly negotiated here oil deals with sanctions-hit Iran, which offered free shipping here and price discounts, and now plan to do the same with other producers.

Since the break with Saudi Arabia began, Pradhan has had meetings with United Arab Emirates’ minister of state and chief executive of Abu Dhabi National Oil Co (ADNOC), Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber, and US energy secretary Jennifer Granholm to strengthen energy partnerships.

Pradhan recently said African nations could play a central role in India’s oil diversification. The country is looking at signing long-term oil supply deal with Guyana and exploring options to raise imports from Russia, the oil ministry source said.

A separate Indian government source said the government expects Iranian sanctions to ease in three to four months, potentially offering India a cheaper alternative to Saudi oil.

Two traders agreed that Iran stood a good chance to benefit from India’s shift, as did Venezuela, Kuwait and the United States.

An Indian refinery source said the US, Africa, Kazakhstan’s CPC Blend and Russian oil would probably get a look too.

Although Indian importers will scoop up increasing volumes of attractively priced global grades, most analysts expect the Middle East to remain India’s primary oil supplier, mainly because of lower shipping costs.

India’s oil ministry is working with refiners on a framework to jointly negotiate terms with suppliers.

“Buyers have alternatives in today’s market and these alternatives are going to multiply going forward,” Kapoor said. “There are so many companies in India that do buying at their own level, so these companies coming together also becomes quite a big bloc.”

On Thursday, Saudi Arabia and Opec+ agreed after discussions with US officials to ease oil curbs beginning in May.

Saudi energy minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman conceded that the production cuts had put state oil company Aramco “in some difficulty with some of its partners.”

The relationship
Analysts say the oil spat does not need to spill over into broader strategic ties in other sectors, including defence.

“Until recently, the balance of power was skewed towards Saudi Arabia, but increasingly, India is using access to its market and the diversity of options to put pressure on Saudi Arabia,” consultancy Eurasia said in a note. “For Saudi Arabia, losing market share in a global environment in which most developed economies are already seeing their oil demand decline due to green policy implementation, would be a blow.”

Abdulaziz confirmed that Aramco had maintained normal April oil supplies to Indian refiners while cutting volumes for other buyers - a sign Saudi Arabia is concerned about India’s search for new sources.

Saudi Arabia is India’s fourth-biggest trade partner, importing a slew of items, including food. Saudi Armaco is looking at buying a 20% stake in Reliance Industries’ oil and chemicals business. It is also a part of a joint venture to build a 1.2 million barrels per day refinery in India.

But Amitendu Palit, senior research fellow at National University of Singapore, said it would be difficult for Saudi to find a stable alternative buyer if India continues with reduced purchases for too long.

“This bilateral relationship should not be impacted due to any decisions on one commodity. However in a global surplus, market buyers have a lot of negotiating power and sources,” Palit sai

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Re: Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security

Postby Ambar » 02 Apr 2021 21:03

Logistically importing from ME makes most sense for us compared to importing from Canada/US or Russia. Although the lighter WTI is cheaper, Indian refineries prefer brent over wti because of GRM (gross refining margin) and the above mentioned increase in logistical cost. We have also shot ourselves in the foot by not developing SPRs, for a nation of our size and energy needs it took us 50+ yrs to build the first of 3 SPRs we currently have during the Vajpayee era. The Vajpayee govt built all 3 SPRs and it wasn't until Modi came to power that he approved doubling the capacity in one the SPRs and constructing 3 new ones. Even then our total strategic petroleum reserve stands at 36 million barrels compared to over 500 million barrels China can store and over 710 million barrels US can store. So in times like 2020 when oil price tanked we were unable to take advantage of low prices without having much space to store the oil.

Ofcourse, it is also disingenuous on the part of the government to blame suppliers about high prices and unfavorable terms while domestically increasing the duties on a product where the refined base product price is only 35% of the overall end cost.


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