Must've come as a shock to these namak-haraams when the fountainhead of Ummah did this to them. Also, made them realize that it's only India that tolerates such nonsense, other states are not as lenient.IndraD wrote:http://muslimmirror.com/eng/saudi-arabi ... ainst-caa/
Saudi deports Indians protesting against Modi & NRC-CAA
Saudi Arabia and its impact on Indian security
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pcTUoS3yKQ[/youtube]
Do watch in full, this is how fast Saudi Arabia is changing. At Al Ula in the desert Saudi Arabia has built a temporary tourist spot with a view towards building a more permanent system as they go along & it gets more popular as of now these are things here that you do not get elsewhere in the desert nation.
1)Veil less women
2)Women & men dancing & socializing together.
3)Alcohol
4)Pre Islamic writings on religion & society , also pre Islamic monuments.
Do watch in full, this is how fast Saudi Arabia is changing. At Al Ula in the desert Saudi Arabia has built a temporary tourist spot with a view towards building a more permanent system as they go along & it gets more popular as of now these are things here that you do not get elsewhere in the desert nation.
1)Veil less women
2)Women & men dancing & socializing together.
3)Alcohol
4)Pre Islamic writings on religion & society , also pre Islamic monuments.
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https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/saudi ... udy-652256
New monarch MbS has ordered removal of hate texts against Jews & modernisation of Islamic studies in curriculum
New monarch MbS has ordered removal of hate texts against Jews & modernisation of Islamic studies in curriculum
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/p ... trump.html
U.S. Considers Granting Immunity to Saudi Prince in Suspected Assassination Attempt
If the request is granted, it could potentially provide a legal basis to dismiss a separate case against Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.
By Pranshu Verma and Mark Mazzetti, Dec. 22, 2020
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering a request to grant Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia immunity from a federal lawsuit that accuses him of trying to kill a former Saudi intelligence official living in Canada, legal documents related to the case show.
If the request is granted, the State Department’s recommendation could potentially provide a legal basis to dismiss other cases against the prince, most notably one where he is accused of directing the assassination of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi in 2018, a person familiar with the case said.
The immunity request stems from a case involving Saad Aljabri, a former top aide in the Saudi Interior Ministry, who in August publicly accused Prince Mohammed of sending a team of agents to Canada to kill him. His lawsuit offered little evidence to back up his claims.
State Department officials last month gave lawyers for Mr. Aljabri a questionnaire asking for their legal views on Saudi Arabia’s request to grant the prince immunity against claims made in the lawsuit, documents show.
It is unclear whether the State Department will suggest that immunity be granted in this case or whether a decision will be made before Jan. 20, when President Trump, who has publicly supported Prince Mohammed, leaves office.
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U.S. Considers Granting Immunity to Saudi Prince in Suspected Assassination Attempt
If the request is granted, it could potentially provide a legal basis to dismiss a separate case against Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.
By Pranshu Verma and Mark Mazzetti, Dec. 22, 2020
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering a request to grant Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia immunity from a federal lawsuit that accuses him of trying to kill a former Saudi intelligence official living in Canada, legal documents related to the case show.
If the request is granted, the State Department’s recommendation could potentially provide a legal basis to dismiss other cases against the prince, most notably one where he is accused of directing the assassination of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi in 2018, a person familiar with the case said.
The immunity request stems from a case involving Saad Aljabri, a former top aide in the Saudi Interior Ministry, who in August publicly accused Prince Mohammed of sending a team of agents to Canada to kill him. His lawsuit offered little evidence to back up his claims.
State Department officials last month gave lawyers for Mr. Aljabri a questionnaire asking for their legal views on Saudi Arabia’s request to grant the prince immunity against claims made in the lawsuit, documents show.
It is unclear whether the State Department will suggest that immunity be granted in this case or whether a decision will be made before Jan. 20, when President Trump, who has publicly supported Prince Mohammed, leaves office.
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You can easily replace Palestinians with Pakistan's and it would still be truechetak wrote:
palestinians are known trouble makers known for their demanding ways all over the gulf region. they are not hard working or even willing workers and think that they are entitled to everything and the arabs must compensate them for all the "alleged" hardships that they have been subjected to by the israelis
they seem to think that the whole world owes them everything and that too for free.
these guys are highly political by nature and interfere constantly in local affairs and so they are generally shunned and kicked around because of this reason
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/saud ... 210227.htm
Saudi prince approved killing of Khashoggi: US report
By Lalit K Jha, February 27, 2021 08:32 IST
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation to capture or kill journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, according to a United States intelligence report submitted to Congress.
Fifty-nine-year-old Khashoggi, a dissident Saudi journalist who lived in the US as a legal permanent resident and wrote for the Washington Post, was critical of the prince's policies and was killed in the Saudi Arabian Consulate in the Turkish city on October 2, 2018.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in the report that at the time of the Khashoggi murder, the prince probably fostered an environment in which aides were afraid that failure to complete assigned tasks might result in him firing or arresting them.
This suggests that the aides were unlikely to question the prince's orders or undertake sensitive actions without his consent, said the report dated February 11, a declassified portion of which was submitted to Congress on Friday.
"We assess that Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman approved an operation in Istanbul, Turkey, to capture or kill Saudi journalist Khashoggi," it said.
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Saudi prince approved killing of Khashoggi: US report
By Lalit K Jha, February 27, 2021 08:32 IST
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation to capture or kill journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, according to a United States intelligence report submitted to Congress.
Fifty-nine-year-old Khashoggi, a dissident Saudi journalist who lived in the US as a legal permanent resident and wrote for the Washington Post, was critical of the prince's policies and was killed in the Saudi Arabian Consulate in the Turkish city on October 2, 2018.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said in the report that at the time of the Khashoggi murder, the prince probably fostered an environment in which aides were afraid that failure to complete assigned tasks might result in him firing or arresting them.
This suggests that the aides were unlikely to question the prince's orders or undertake sensitive actions without his consent, said the report dated February 11, a declassified portion of which was submitted to Congress on Friday.
"We assess that Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman approved an operation in Istanbul, Turkey, to capture or kill Saudi journalist Khashoggi," it said.
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Why did MBS approve of the killing of Jamal Kashoggi?
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is that a rhetorical question? Jamal kashoggi was like a dissident columnist writing in the washington post against the state of KSA.ramana wrote:Why did MBS approve of the killing of Jamal Kashoggi?
he was wanted for a while in KSA and fled the state into exile in turkey.
and since the only way to get him was in the saudi consulate in turkey (the guy's grandfather was from turkey) - they (ksa deepstate) needed MBS's blessings to control the winds that would blow because of the killings inside of the KSA consulate.
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Khashoggi himself was no angel, he was the part of the KSA power circle and lost out after the palace intrigue which ended in MBS coming to power. Isnt Jamal Khashoggi related to the notorious Adnan Khashoggi the arms dealer who supplied arms to everyone from Pakis, PLO, Colombian drug traffickers, leftists guerrillas and even the LTTE ?
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And he was commission agent for RG/ Congress.Ambar wrote:Khashoggi himself was no angel, he was the part of the KSA power circle and lost out after the palace intrigue which ended in MBS coming to power. Isnt Jamal Khashoggi related to the notorious Adnan Khashoggi the arms dealer who supplied arms to everyone from Pakis, PLO, Colombian drug traffickers, leftists guerrillas and even the LTTE ?
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How many dissident journalists were killed by KSA?bharathp wrote:is that a rhetorical question? Jamal kashoggi was like a dissident columnist writing in the washington post against the state of KSA.ramana wrote:Why did MBS approve of the killing of Jamal Kashoggi?
he was wanted for a while in KSA and fled the state into exile in turkey.
and since the only way to get him was in the saudi consulate in turkey (the guy's grandfather was from turkey) - they (ksa deepstate) needed MBS's blessings to control the winds that would blow because of the killings inside of the KSA consulate.
Why do you think its rhetorical question?
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I dunno how many are killed by KSA. but I would think, this caused a huge uproar because this was done in turkey - not really a friendly nation.ramana wrote: How many dissident journalists were killed by KSA?
Why do you think its rhetorical question?
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Power play: India wields oil 'weapon' to cut dependence on Saudi Arabia.
When India’s government last month asked refiners to speed up diversification and reduce dependence on the Middle East - days after Opec+ said it would maintain production cuts - it sent a message about its clout and foreshadowed changes to the world’s energy maps.
It was a move that had been in the works for years, fuelled by repeated comments from oil minister Dharmendra Pradhan, who in 2015 called oil
purchases a “weapon” for his country.
When the Organisation of Oil Exporting Countries and Major Producers (Opec+) extended the production cuts into April, India unsheathed that weapon. Indian refiners plan to cut imports from the Kingdom by about a quarter in May, sources told Reuters, dropping them to 10.8 million barrels from monthly average of 14.7-14.8 million barrels.
Oil secretary Tarun Kapoor, the top bureaucrat in the ministry, told Reuters that India is asking state refiners to jointly negotiate with oil producers to get better deals, but declined to comment on plans to cut Saudi imports.
Saudi's response on India's oil reserves 'undiplomatic', says Dharmendra Pradhan. “India is a big market so sellers have to be mindful of our country’s demand as well to keep the long-term relationship intact,” he said.
The Saudi state oil company Saudi Aramco and the Saudi energy ministry declined to comment. Pradhan, who sees high oil prices as a threat to India’s recovering economy, said he was saddened by the Opec+ decision. India’s fuel import bill has rocketed, and fuel prices – inflated by government taxes imposed last year - have hit records.
The International Energy Agency forecasts India’s consumption to double and its oil import bill to nearly triple from 2019 levels to more than $250 billion by 2040. An oil ministry official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the Opec+ cuts have created India's top crude oil suppliers in February
An oil ministry official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the Opec+ cuts have created uncertainity and made it difficult for the refiners to plan for procurement and price risk
It also creates opportunities for companies in the Americas, Africa, Russia and elsewhere to fill the gap.
If India is successful, it will set an example for other countries. As buyers see more affordable choices and renewable energy becomes increasingly common, the influence of big producers like Saudi Arabia could wane, altering geopolitics and trade routes.
India has reduced the share of crude oil imports from the Middle East in recent years:
How India plans to reduce its dependence on Middle East oil
Diversification drive
India’s oil demand has risen by 25% in the last seven years - more than any other major buyer - and the country has surpassed Japan as the world’s third-largest oil importer and consumer.
The country has already curbed its reliance on the Middle East from more than 64% of imports in 2016 to below 60% in 2019.
That trend reversed in 2020, however, when the pandemic pummelled fuel demand and forced Indian refiners to make committed oil purchases from the Middle East under term contracts, shunning spot purchases.
As India shifts gears again after Pradhan’s call for faster diversification, refineries are looking for new suppliers, the oil ministry official said.
Costly refinery upgrades that allow for the processing of cheaper, heavier oil grades have encouraged importers to seek out far-flung sources. HPCL-Mittal Energy Ltd bought the country’s first cargo from Guyana this month, and Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals Ltd just imported Brazilian Tupi crude for the first time.
In past years, refiners have jointly negotiated here oil deals with sanctions-hit Iran, which offered free shipping here and price discounts, and now plan to do the same with other producers.
Since the break with Saudi Arabia began, Pradhan has had meetings with United Arab Emirates’ minister of state and chief executive of Abu Dhabi National Oil Co (ADNOC), Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber, and US energy secretary Jennifer Granholm to strengthen energy partnerships.
Pradhan recently said African nations could play a central role in India’s oil diversification. The country is looking at signing long-term oil supply deal with Guyana and exploring options to raise imports from Russia, the oil ministry source said.
A separate Indian government source said the government expects Iranian sanctions to ease in three to four months, potentially offering India a cheaper alternative to Saudi oil.
Two traders agreed that Iran stood a good chance to benefit from India’s shift, as did Venezuela, Kuwait and the United States.
An Indian refinery source said the US, Africa, Kazakhstan’s CPC Blend and Russian oil would probably get a look too.
Although Indian importers will scoop up increasing volumes of attractively priced global grades, most analysts expect the Middle East to remain India’s primary oil supplier, mainly because of lower shipping costs.
India’s oil ministry is working with refiners on a framework to jointly negotiate terms with suppliers.
“Buyers have alternatives in today’s market and these alternatives are going to multiply going forward,” Kapoor said. “There are so many companies in India that do buying at their own level, so these companies coming together also becomes quite a big bloc.”
On Thursday, Saudi Arabia and Opec+ agreed after discussions with US officials to ease oil curbs beginning in May.
Saudi energy minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman conceded that the production cuts had put state oil company Aramco “in some difficulty with some of its partners.”
The relationship
Analysts say the oil spat does not need to spill over into broader strategic ties in other sectors, including defence.
“Until recently, the balance of power was skewed towards Saudi Arabia, but increasingly, India is using access to its market and the diversity of options to put pressure on Saudi Arabia,” consultancy Eurasia said in a note. “For Saudi Arabia, losing market share in a global environment in which most developed economies are already seeing their oil demand decline due to green policy implementation, would be a blow.”
Abdulaziz confirmed that Aramco had maintained normal April oil supplies to Indian refiners while cutting volumes for other buyers - a sign Saudi Arabia is concerned about India’s search for new sources.
Saudi Arabia is India’s fourth-biggest trade partner, importing a slew of items, including food. Saudi Armaco is looking at buying a 20% stake in Reliance Industries’ oil and chemicals business. It is also a part of a joint venture to build a 1.2 million barrels per day refinery in India.
But Amitendu Palit, senior research fellow at National University of Singapore, said it would be difficult for Saudi to find a stable alternative buyer if India continues with reduced purchases for too long.
“This bilateral relationship should not be impacted due to any decisions on one commodity. However in a global surplus, market buyers have a lot of negotiating power and sources,” Palit sai
When India’s government last month asked refiners to speed up diversification and reduce dependence on the Middle East - days after Opec+ said it would maintain production cuts - it sent a message about its clout and foreshadowed changes to the world’s energy maps.
It was a move that had been in the works for years, fuelled by repeated comments from oil minister Dharmendra Pradhan, who in 2015 called oil
purchases a “weapon” for his country.
When the Organisation of Oil Exporting Countries and Major Producers (Opec+) extended the production cuts into April, India unsheathed that weapon. Indian refiners plan to cut imports from the Kingdom by about a quarter in May, sources told Reuters, dropping them to 10.8 million barrels from monthly average of 14.7-14.8 million barrels.
Oil secretary Tarun Kapoor, the top bureaucrat in the ministry, told Reuters that India is asking state refiners to jointly negotiate with oil producers to get better deals, but declined to comment on plans to cut Saudi imports.
Saudi's response on India's oil reserves 'undiplomatic', says Dharmendra Pradhan. “India is a big market so sellers have to be mindful of our country’s demand as well to keep the long-term relationship intact,” he said.
The Saudi state oil company Saudi Aramco and the Saudi energy ministry declined to comment. Pradhan, who sees high oil prices as a threat to India’s recovering economy, said he was saddened by the Opec+ decision. India’s fuel import bill has rocketed, and fuel prices – inflated by government taxes imposed last year - have hit records.
The International Energy Agency forecasts India’s consumption to double and its oil import bill to nearly triple from 2019 levels to more than $250 billion by 2040. An oil ministry official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the Opec+ cuts have created India's top crude oil suppliers in February
An oil ministry official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter, said the Opec+ cuts have created uncertainity and made it difficult for the refiners to plan for procurement and price risk
It also creates opportunities for companies in the Americas, Africa, Russia and elsewhere to fill the gap.
If India is successful, it will set an example for other countries. As buyers see more affordable choices and renewable energy becomes increasingly common, the influence of big producers like Saudi Arabia could wane, altering geopolitics and trade routes.
India has reduced the share of crude oil imports from the Middle East in recent years:
How India plans to reduce its dependence on Middle East oil
Diversification drive
India’s oil demand has risen by 25% in the last seven years - more than any other major buyer - and the country has surpassed Japan as the world’s third-largest oil importer and consumer.
The country has already curbed its reliance on the Middle East from more than 64% of imports in 2016 to below 60% in 2019.
That trend reversed in 2020, however, when the pandemic pummelled fuel demand and forced Indian refiners to make committed oil purchases from the Middle East under term contracts, shunning spot purchases.
As India shifts gears again after Pradhan’s call for faster diversification, refineries are looking for new suppliers, the oil ministry official said.
Costly refinery upgrades that allow for the processing of cheaper, heavier oil grades have encouraged importers to seek out far-flung sources. HPCL-Mittal Energy Ltd bought the country’s first cargo from Guyana this month, and Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals Ltd just imported Brazilian Tupi crude for the first time.
In past years, refiners have jointly negotiated here oil deals with sanctions-hit Iran, which offered free shipping here and price discounts, and now plan to do the same with other producers.
Since the break with Saudi Arabia began, Pradhan has had meetings with United Arab Emirates’ minister of state and chief executive of Abu Dhabi National Oil Co (ADNOC), Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber, and US energy secretary Jennifer Granholm to strengthen energy partnerships.
Pradhan recently said African nations could play a central role in India’s oil diversification. The country is looking at signing long-term oil supply deal with Guyana and exploring options to raise imports from Russia, the oil ministry source said.
A separate Indian government source said the government expects Iranian sanctions to ease in three to four months, potentially offering India a cheaper alternative to Saudi oil.
Two traders agreed that Iran stood a good chance to benefit from India’s shift, as did Venezuela, Kuwait and the United States.
An Indian refinery source said the US, Africa, Kazakhstan’s CPC Blend and Russian oil would probably get a look too.
Although Indian importers will scoop up increasing volumes of attractively priced global grades, most analysts expect the Middle East to remain India’s primary oil supplier, mainly because of lower shipping costs.
India’s oil ministry is working with refiners on a framework to jointly negotiate terms with suppliers.
“Buyers have alternatives in today’s market and these alternatives are going to multiply going forward,” Kapoor said. “There are so many companies in India that do buying at their own level, so these companies coming together also becomes quite a big bloc.”
On Thursday, Saudi Arabia and Opec+ agreed after discussions with US officials to ease oil curbs beginning in May.
Saudi energy minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman conceded that the production cuts had put state oil company Aramco “in some difficulty with some of its partners.”
The relationship
Analysts say the oil spat does not need to spill over into broader strategic ties in other sectors, including defence.
“Until recently, the balance of power was skewed towards Saudi Arabia, but increasingly, India is using access to its market and the diversity of options to put pressure on Saudi Arabia,” consultancy Eurasia said in a note. “For Saudi Arabia, losing market share in a global environment in which most developed economies are already seeing their oil demand decline due to green policy implementation, would be a blow.”
Abdulaziz confirmed that Aramco had maintained normal April oil supplies to Indian refiners while cutting volumes for other buyers - a sign Saudi Arabia is concerned about India’s search for new sources.
Saudi Arabia is India’s fourth-biggest trade partner, importing a slew of items, including food. Saudi Armaco is looking at buying a 20% stake in Reliance Industries’ oil and chemicals business. It is also a part of a joint venture to build a 1.2 million barrels per day refinery in India.
But Amitendu Palit, senior research fellow at National University of Singapore, said it would be difficult for Saudi to find a stable alternative buyer if India continues with reduced purchases for too long.
“This bilateral relationship should not be impacted due to any decisions on one commodity. However in a global surplus, market buyers have a lot of negotiating power and sources,” Palit sai
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Logistically importing from ME makes most sense for us compared to importing from Canada/US or Russia. Although the lighter WTI is cheaper, Indian refineries prefer brent over wti because of GRM (gross refining margin) and the above mentioned increase in logistical cost. We have also shot ourselves in the foot by not developing SPRs, for a nation of our size and energy needs it took us 50+ yrs to build the first of 3 SPRs we currently have during the Vajpayee era. The Vajpayee govt built all 3 SPRs and it wasn't until Modi came to power that he approved doubling the capacity in one the SPRs and constructing 3 new ones. Even then our total strategic petroleum reserve stands at 36 million barrels compared to over 500 million barrels China can store and over 710 million barrels US can store. So in times like 2020 when oil price tanked we were unable to take advantage of low prices without having much space to store the oil.
Ofcourse, it is also disingenuous on the part of the government to blame suppliers about high prices and unfavorable terms while domestically increasing the duties on a product where the refined base product price is only 35% of the overall end cost.
Ofcourse, it is also disingenuous on the part of the government to blame suppliers about high prices and unfavorable terms while domestically increasing the duties on a product where the refined base product price is only 35% of the overall end cost.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/saudi-p ... rabia.html
Saudi prince says the U.S. should not withdraw Patriot missiles from Saudi Arabia
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Saudi prince says the U.S. should not withdraw Patriot missiles from Saudi Arabia
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this is in reaction to the removal of some of the Patriot missiles from Saudi Arabia by the USSaudi Arabia wants the U.S. to show that Washington is committed to the kingdom, and that means leaving American defense equipment in Saudi Arabia, Prince Turki Al-Faisal told CNBC.
He was responding to a question on what the Middle East needs from the U.S. in the wake of the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
“I think we need to be reassured about American commitment,” the prince, Saudi Arabia’s former intelligence chief, told CNBC’s Hadley Gamble last month.
“That looks like, for example, not withdrawing Patriot missiles from Saudi Arabia at a time when Saudi Arabia is the victim of missile attacks and drone attacks — not just from Yemen, but from Iran,” he said.
In June this year, multiple media outlets reported that the Pentagon decided to draw down air defense assets from the Middle East, including Patriot missile batteries.
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https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/us- ... en-attacks
US Pulls Missile Defenses in Saudi Arabia Amid Yemen Attacks
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US Pulls Missile Defenses in Saudi Arabia Amid Yemen Attacks
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The U.S. has removed its most advanced missile defense system and Patriot batteries from Saudi Arabia in recent weeks, even as the kingdom faced continued air attacks from Yemen's Houthi rebels, satellite photos analyzed by The Associated Press show.
The redeployment of the defenses from Prince Sultan Air Base outside Riyadh came as America's Gulf Arab allies nervously watched the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, including their last-minute evacuations from Kabul's besieged international airport.
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I fail to understand the Biden administration. Within weeks of taking office they blocked a weapons deal to KSA and UAE, and now when KSA is under attack they are removing the missile defense system. While i couldn't care less about what happens to the middle eastern shiekdoms, I feel such actions by the US will eventually drive KSA/UAE/Bahrain/Oman to China for protection. When Iran feels sufficiently emboldened and is assured of no blow back from US is when they'll launch a direct attack against Israel and their other rivals in the middle east.
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In my opinion, there are about 5-6 big global matters that need to be addressed and understood if one is to be prepared for the evolving world in this next few decades. One of these is the end of the carbon economy. It is well underway. This project began approximately 25 years or so ago and it is about to reach critical mass in the west. Its dynamics will eventually disinterest the west from the middle east as it will no longer command a strategic value. We are on that edge now. Dislocation from Afghanistan is just the beginning.
Other than for the sake if Israel, i.e. Jerusalem, the west will no longer have any real interest in these marauding Arabs/peacefuls.
India, China and Russia may decide to fill this vacuum but eventually even they will tire of this role as the west steals a march on cheaper carbon alternate energy resources that may allow them to undercut competition in all manners of production particularly on those productions that are energy intensive.
It is for this singular reason that alternate energy is critical for India as its power demand ramps up and also to allow it not to get caught in the middle eastern trap of its strategic importance.
Go back into the timelines of the thoughts of Bill Clinton, 25 years ago, where he had predicated a solution to the energy question in about 2020 or so. I have Arab exiles that I sometime interact with who openly tell me that their counties have some 10-15 years to radically change or collapse as demand for both oil and gas contract.
As for the Americans, GWB had made the decision to unwind the military from imported fuel and to change buying patterns of imported oil. His vision is now real. Military went foreign free almost a decade ago and nation is NOT dependant on middle eastern crude. Tell some of the people that Iraq supplies about 2% of all imported crude into the US and they have a coronary as it burns their narrative of America went to war for oil! But its true.
The Saudis have outlived their use. Welcome to the new American condom!
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_i ... blpd_a.htm
Other than for the sake if Israel, i.e. Jerusalem, the west will no longer have any real interest in these marauding Arabs/peacefuls.
India, China and Russia may decide to fill this vacuum but eventually even they will tire of this role as the west steals a march on cheaper carbon alternate energy resources that may allow them to undercut competition in all manners of production particularly on those productions that are energy intensive.
It is for this singular reason that alternate energy is critical for India as its power demand ramps up and also to allow it not to get caught in the middle eastern trap of its strategic importance.
Go back into the timelines of the thoughts of Bill Clinton, 25 years ago, where he had predicated a solution to the energy question in about 2020 or so. I have Arab exiles that I sometime interact with who openly tell me that their counties have some 10-15 years to radically change or collapse as demand for both oil and gas contract.
As for the Americans, GWB had made the decision to unwind the military from imported fuel and to change buying patterns of imported oil. His vision is now real. Military went foreign free almost a decade ago and nation is NOT dependant on middle eastern crude. Tell some of the people that Iraq supplies about 2% of all imported crude into the US and they have a coronary as it burns their narrative of America went to war for oil! But its true.
The Saudis have outlived their use. Welcome to the new American condom!
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_i ... blpd_a.htm
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That may well be true but lets not forget that even if every automobile goes the EV way (which may take another 30 to 40 yrs for it to happen globally), we'll still need hydrocarbons for everything from clothes to pipes. The ME will not lose their relevance anytime soon, and a US which disengages from KSA/UAE/Oman/Bahrain may not be in our best interest atleast near term. We get significant amount of remittance from these countries not to mention we are a long way away from being energy independent. Then there is the question who will step into fill US' place ? If it is China then it is again bad news for us.
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I will quote somebody here, feelings cannot change facts. Why should the US give a hoot for WHEN the rest of the world goes carbon neutral? India needs to plan accordingly, maybe even on a war footing. The reasons for the US very much apply to India, we CANNOT be dependant on some foreign nations for our energy. Period.
The bulk of the New World in going to be Africa. If it wasn't for oil would you personally even spit on the Middle East? Then let us prepare for the future rather than spend our lives as we did under our 'founding fathers' playing catch-up.
P.S. When crude dies they will be trying to give it away to maintain relevance. Plastics etc will be abundant.
The bulk of the New World in going to be Africa. If it wasn't for oil would you personally even spit on the Middle East? Then let us prepare for the future rather than spend our lives as we did under our 'founding fathers' playing catch-up.
P.S. When crude dies they will be trying to give it away to maintain relevance. Plastics etc will be abundant.