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Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati stands on the banks of the Ganges, India’s holiest river, urging his fellow Hindu priests to oppose hydropower dams the nation needs to curb blackouts and drive economic growth.
“Without electricity, you can survive. One can’t survive without water,” Saraswati tells a gathering of holy men in the Himalayan foothills where the Kumbha Mela, a Hindu festival that draws more than 50 million devotees, is entering its final days. “You cannot shackle the Ganges and call it development.”
Opposition from Hindu groups helped halt two dams on tributaries of the Ganges in March and the government this month is set to decide whether to complete a barrage that’s part of a plan to add 15,600 megawatts of hydropower by 2012. The energy shortfall forces manufacturers including Tata Motors Ltd. and Bajaj Auto Ltd., Nissan Motor Co.’s Indian partner, to rely on back-up generators to build cars and bikes.
A 10-hour fast would be organised here on Sunday to protest against the Centre's move to go ahead with the Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project.
Sadhus, leaders and members of the public would observe the fast to protest the move to destroy the revered Ramar Sethu, A V Sanil Kumar of Puducherry-based Rameswaram Ram Sethu Protection Movement (RRSPM), said in a statement here.
Swami Chinmayanand, another VHP star who is also a BJP MP, said that ``Mr. Singhal will not be alone when he fasts, many `sadhus' and `sants' (Hindu priests) will join him.''
Mr. Singhal said he brought this ``important matter'' to the notice of the Prime Minister, the Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister and others. He blamed the bureaucracy for taking the decision to block the flow of the Bhagirathi. He stated that work on the dam, ``which will also increase the risk of earthquakes in the region'', has gathered speed over the last three years (which is since the Vajpayee Government was installed at the Centre). He did not want to blame the BJP leadership directly, instead he chose to attack the bureaucracy.
joshvajohn wrote:What is the problem if the Catholic priests or Jesuits join in any protests?
They can. But as long as they play into the hands of non-Indian powers they will be suspects. The onus is on them to prove their loyalties.
That is part of the package that comes with "conversion funds". Is it too difficult to understand?
Foriegn countries and foriegn interest are behind every church based organization. There is nothing they can hide and the people will know that they are doing politics based on a foriegn based agenda.
Your links relating to the Ganges and Rama Sethu protests are relevant - but I don't see these cases as being completely equivalent to the Kudankulam one.
I am an agnostic myself - so these issues don't mean much to me personally. However, I do recognize that all faiths have certain places that are of religious significance and are 'sacred' to members of that faith. When the places of religious significance to a faith are tampered with - I see some locus standii for the clergy to get involved in protests, but not otherwise.
The Church has every right to protest nuclear or any other plant within the boundaries of the Vatican or Velankanni town (to take a closer example). But one can't just manufacture new 'sacred' places - they have to be recognized as such for several generations or even millenia in order to qualify.
While I may not agree with the protests regarding Rama Sethu or Ganges, the locus standii of clergy in those cases cannot be dismissed so easily- given these are known places of religious significance. But is there any such sacredness to the Kudankulam area within the Christian community ? Not that I am aware of...
Avimukteshwaranand Saraswati stands on the banks of the Ganges, India’s holiest river, urging his fellow Hindu priests to oppose hydropower dams the nation needs to curb blackouts and drive economic growth.
“Without electricity, you can survive. One can’t survive without water,” Saraswati tells a gathering of holy men in the Himalayan foothills where the Kumbha Mela, a Hindu festival that draws more than 50 million devotees, is entering its final days. “You cannot shackle the Ganges and call it development.”
Opposition from Hindu groups helped halt two dams on tributaries of the Ganges in March and the government this month is set to decide whether to complete a barrage that’s part of a plan to add 15,600 megawatts of hydropower by 2012. The energy shortfall forces manufacturers including Tata Motors Ltd. and Bajaj Auto Ltd., Nissan Motor Co.’s Indian partner, to rely on back-up generators to build cars and bikes.
A 10-hour fast would be organised here on Sunday to protest against the Centre's move to go ahead with the Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project.
Sadhus, leaders and members of the public would observe the fast to protest the move to destroy the revered Ramar Sethu, A V Sanil Kumar of Puducherry-based Rameswaram Ram Sethu Protection Movement (RRSPM), said in a statement here.
Swami Chinmayanand, another VHP star who is also a BJP MP, said that ``Mr. Singhal will not be alone when he fasts, many `sadhus' and `sants' (Hindu priests) will join him.''
Mr. Singhal said he brought this ``important matter'' to the notice of the Prime Minister, the Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister and others. He blamed the bureaucracy for taking the decision to block the flow of the Bhagirathi. He stated that work on the dam, ``which will also increase the risk of earthquakes in the region'', has gathered speed over the last three years (which is since the Vajpayee Government was installed at the Centre). He did not want to blame the BJP leadership directly, instead he chose to attack the bureaucracy.
Another ==? The topics clearly are not energy/dams/progress but Ganga, Setu Samudram, etc.
What makes people do == to Hinduism in India? Is it because it is not as sacred at all to other 'secular' faith whence all secular faiths can gang up to cover up actual sarva dharma sama bhava?
Theo_Fidel ,
By posting links to a particular problem and conveniently ignoring the hundred other questions to you, you have managed to shrink your b***s even further.
You think you have a moral stand, think everyone else is wrong, refuse to engage in debate and think you have a point which will "shut up" everyone by posting such links . Been on forums long enough to spot such snobbish posts - also know that such posters refuse to be drawn into technical arguments by going into a shell because of sheer incompetency.
You still have not answered about the mystery of the 1000MW reactor. Which ghost is bedeviling it? Can you use neem leaves to scare it away ? Never mind the 40 odd cumulative years of engineering research on the VVER-1000 with 22 units running ....I am still waiting for the white thingy with no legs.
Some of the comments are hilarious! I suppose the Dy.Dir. of the Coast Guard's statements ,21 kg of gold smuggled seized,smuggled in by a family involved in Rajv's asassination -a fact,IB warnings about the LET/LTTE connections and warnings of attacke in Bombay-fact,the presence of many foreign NGOs in the KKM protests-fact,"bused in" "banknote and biryani" protestors-fact,use of children in protests -fact,Church involvement,anti-KKM leaders with strong US-western links-fact,and now anti-Kalpakkam protests by dubious TN political entities whith strong anti-national links too are also facts! The arrest of many protesters on charges of "sedition" and other "anti-National" activities is also a fact.These jokers on BR defending the LTTE and anti-national entities will say that all these facts are nothing but falsehoods and media inventions.Ther desperation is evident as the GOI has started turning on the heat by arresting many protesters on grave charges of sedition,etc.None so blind as they that cannot see!
What on earth are the pro-Eelamists on BR trying to hide? The involvement of outside foreign entities is so evident from the information available ,that the 'denial mode' of the anti-KKM/Indian N-industry is so evident a tatic which exactly mirrors the LTTE's siimilar "denial" of its massive history of assasinations including that of Rajiv! As for the involvement of the Church groups,pefectly oK if they are consistent with their protests.Why are there no protests at all in the US by these EJ sponsors at the White House,or at the Vatican, protestsing against the sale of N-eqpt. and fuiel to India? The gutless ,shameless cassocked scumbags who masquerade as :"priests" should be sent to the very same western nations from where they have originated and protest against those countries using N-power on a massive scale who are selling their plants all across the globe before leading protests in India.Their rank hypocrisy exposes them as fraudsters in cassocks and quislings who are anything but religious teachers ,who instead should be labelled "religious traitors".
The churches which have indulged in anti-national activities should be closed for good and the religious orders (Catholic) and EJ movements which are leading these protests must be banned and any foreign priests belonging to these orders deported from India immediately.We all know the insidious role of the Catholic Church in WW2,which did nothing when the Jews were being massacred by Hitler.Those Christian,why, any religious entity of any faith in India,regrdless of their denomination which indulge in anti-Indian activities should be banned forthwith and their leaders put on trial for treason. What is happening at KKM and the attempts to spread the anti-nuclear portests across the country is nothing but a "war against India" and those who take up spears and swords againt the nation should be prepared to face the seversts consequences.If they continue to attack the workers and plant officials,attempt to enter and sabotage the plant,then they must face the bullet and "shoot to kill" orders must be given.
It is somewhat ironical to see how the minor TN political paties and Tamil activist groups who vehemently oppose the Kudankulam nuclear power plant, behave with respect to Kerala's concerns about the Mullaperiar dam (located inside Kerala territory and built in 1895) and on which TN excersises control due to a (999 year!) lease. These parties and groups object to Kerala govt.'s demand to dismantle the existing dam and build a new one citing safety reasons and the resisting Tamilians give absolute safety certificate to this old structure!
From Wikipedia: The government of Tamil Nadu has proposed an increase in the storage level of the dam from the currently maintained 136 feet (41 m) to 142 feet (43 m). The Kerala government has opposed this move, citing safety concerns for the more than hundred year old bridge and especially for the thickly populated 4 districts downstream. More than 5 million people will be wiped out from the face of earth. A 10-million-dollar 3D Hollywood movie based on a similar incident happened in China, titled Dam 999, is scheduled for release in 2011. In November 2011 MDMK General Secretary Vaiko and PMK leader S. Ramadoss urged the central government to ban the screening of upcoming film Dam 999, alleging that it was produced by some Keralites depicting that the Mullaperiyar dam was breaking. MDMK activists disrupt preview of the film. Also, MDMK men barged into the Prasad studio in Vadapalani, Chennai and took away the film rolls kept for screening.[6]
kvijayan, that's the hypocrisy. These same outfits have also vandalized the lab where the prints of the movie were being made while at other times claiming 'freedom of expression' when it was convenient to them. This group is trying to revive the moribund separatist feelings.
SSridhar wrote:kvijayan, that's the hypocrisy. These same outfits have also vandalized the lab where the prints of the movie were being made while at other times claiming 'freedom of expression' when it was convenient to them. This group is trying to revive the moribund separatist feelings.
Perhaps kabilawaad when in minority. After this the unbelievers will be held with even more contempt.
There has to be movements across India to break this kabilawaadi mentality with yaatras, melas, resurgence, and so on. A border state needs more focus too.
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Sriperumbudur power cut schedule:
morning: 2 hour power cut generally 8 to 10 am.
Afternoon:2 hour power cut strictly 2 to 4 pm can extend to 5 pm
night :1 to 2 hour power cut. Can be any time 7,8, 9 pm.
Besides several odd 5 to 15 minutes power cut.
Who the **** responsible for.
I am gonna kill those fishermen
The anti-nuclear group in TN says that soemhow Kerala has clevery escaped from the nuclear threat and transferred the curse to Kudankulam and escaped the nuclear wrath. How about the Mullaperiar dam by which TN cleverly and exclusively benefits from the "dangerous" dam which is located inside Kerala territory. Of course, TN pays some royalty to Kerala (or is it a "bribe" to appease the poor Kerala folks who face imminent death and destruction in case the dam bursts?).
Talking of "clean" wind-generated power, a business group (from south TN, Thirunelveli dist., to be exact) recently said that they have been advised by the TN Electricity Board not to generate any more power as the govt. has no money to pay for the power purchased. Result is that consumers don't get power and the people who have invested in wind-farming are fooled. Whole day power blackout is the norm outside Chennai city, all over the state.
The anti-nuclear "leaders" seem to be leading the state to more darkness and in this process they and their NGO sponsors may also get an award or two from some European country/agency.
There are less than a dozen russian technicians ..they ll leave ones criticality is achieved.. they ll not be stationed permanently... this is just psy-ops...
There are 432 nuclear power reactors in operation and 63 are under construction.
- Only the designs of koodankulam are unsafe because Indian Scientists use djinn technology.
- Only the people of south TN were able to understand the risks of nuclear power reactors.
- Only the people of south TN felt vulnerable after Fakushima
- Only the church groups in south TN found it morally objectionable to nuke power (The other church groups are either immoral or playing Taqiyya)
- Only the people of south TN are able to self-mobilize under the leadership of church groups
No need to generalise. Russians are quite open to other religions. There are orthodox, atheist, muslim and growing population of eastern tradition Russians.
Neela wrote:Theo_Fidel ,
By posting links to a particular problem and conveniently ignoring the hundred other questions to you, you have managed to shrink your b***s even further.
You think you have a moral stand, think everyone else is wrong, refuse to engage in debate and think you have a point which will "shut up" everyone by posting such links . Been on forums long enough to spot such snobbish posts - also know that such posters refuse to be drawn into technical arguments by going into a shell because of sheer incompetency.
You still have not answered about the mystery of the 1000MW reactor. Which ghost is bedeviling it? Can you use neem leaves to scare it away ? Never mind the 40 odd cumulative years of engineering research on the VVER-1000 with 22 units running ....I am still waiting for the white thingy with no legs.
Dont talk to the wall. You will not get anything from a wall. Foriegn ideology is being promoted in a Indian interest topic and forum.
In the Fukushima disaster several of these cooling systems failed simultaneously due to flooding and impact of tsunami waves. Reactors were left with only few hours of battery power and it was not enough to cool the fuel rod continuously for an extended period of time. This lead the Fukushima plant into the eventual fate of complete fuel rod meltdown and subsequent hydrogen explosion.
I am certain that the Koodankulam would be equipped with some of the above cooling and backup power supply system already. However every system has some limitation and are designed to handle only certain degree of disaster situations.
All the pumps and electricity based emergency cooling systems are prone to fail if the accident happens beyond the assumed design basis. At present most leading nuclear technology companies are promoting Passive Core Cooling system to mitigate the risks associated with emergency conditions. In this advanced Passive Core Cooling technology system, most of the safe shutdown and emergency cooling systems works on gravity based concept and does not require any power supply or pumps.
Passive Core Cooling technology is in the evolving stage though and is yet to get final approval from the US NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission). However China is presently building few nuclear plants based on Passive Core Cooling system with the assistance of commercial US Nuclear companies.
Coming back to Koodankulam plant, given the fact that the construction of the plant has been in progress since 1997 it is using a 15 years old technology. Hence, I doubt the plant would be equipped with all the latest Passive Core Cooling system and latest back- up mechanism(s) to handle a worst case disaster scenario such as a tsunami.
^^ I wonder if soon we will have a agitation for a no-fly zone over entire TN ( esp fishermen areas) since technology is never 100% and any plane might have a failure when overflying TN and might crash onto poor fishermen if the systems of the plane fail!!!
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>>Coming back to Koodankulam plant, given the fact that the construction of the plant has been in progress since 1997 it is using a 15 years old technology. Hence, I doubt the plant would be equipped with all the latest Passive Core Cooling system and latest back- up mechanism(s) to handle a worst case disaster scenario such as a tsunami
beyond bullcrap..this f@#tard is using random terminology without even understanding what he himself is saying..
Koodankulam is the safest reactor in existence ..It is far ahead of the ancient American reactors and the ones made in Japan..
KNPP has Both Passive and Active Emergency Core Cooling Systems (ECCS) to reduce the effect of Loss Of Cooling Accident (LOCA). There is a fly wheel inertia in addition to the above in event of pump trip..(for abduls who don't understand fly wheel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel )
electric power backup to all safety features...there are 4 generators to do that..
Majority of safety system chains are provided with 4x100% redundancy. The
redundancy is provided for respective support systems as well as power supplies.
The systems have spatial separation and designed to withstand internal and
external hazards.
The plant has passive safety features like Quick Boron Injection System for
injection of boron on ATWS signal.
A passive heat removal system is also provided using which decay heat is
removed by natural convection. In this system, secondary steam is cooled by aircooled heat exchangers placed outside the outer containment.
For mitigation of severe accidents core catchers are provided.
there are diagrams with explainations of passive heat removal system , STEAM GENERATOR COOL-DOWN AND BLOW DOWN SYSTEM , ANNULAR SPACE VENTILATION system and the core catcher..
regarding the vver core catcher from a journal..
In our LOCA scenario,we also cenvisaged flow of molten uranium fuel and liberation of hydrogen that may either detonate or deflagrate. In VVER a ‘melt-fuel catcher’ has been provided
at the bottom of the RPV pit. The main purpose of the ‘fuel catcher’ is to bring down the temperature of uranium fuel (the melting point of uranium is 2800 °C, which is, more than the melting
point of steel) and to contain it. The fuel catcher, a tank , is made of steel surrounded by water. Bricks of ferrousoxide and aluminium oxide are filled in the tank. These bricks absorb most of
the heat from uranium, though they themselves are melt during the process. Over a period of time, the molten fuel and the bricks form a lump. The composition of these bricks and the design of the ‘melt fuel catcher’ has been decided after extensive research at the WORLDS LARGEST RESEARCH FACILITY ,THE KURCHATOV Institute in the Russian Federation.Millions of dollars are spent to carry out such experiment at this facility by a group of countries.
^^ Cannot wake up person(s) pretending to sleep....
Anyways, whatever the Indian scientists say is all lies and can be immediately discarded. Only experts from "people commitees" like Praful Bidwai etc can give the true picture of the K-plant and its features.
The Koodankulam fake agitation saw a tall man — former President A P J Abdul Kalam — stand up for the nation. Amid many elites building image and popularity at the nation’s cost, Kalam risked both for the nation. He chose to take on the fake agitation which most media had blindly backed. Imagine the paid crowd at Koodankulam succeeds. Would that not open a floodgate of fake agitations to stymie nuclear India? Koodankulam fake agitators and their backers want, not a safe-nuclear India, but a nuclear-impotent one. Kalam challenged it, putting his dignity at risk. As the nation’s interest was at stake, he couldn’t care less. That is leadership. Not winning votes, seats and elections or occupying positions of power or respect in society.
CHENNAI (24 Nov 2011): Charging that the Kerala government seems to be whipping up a fear psychosis and panic among the people of the State on the safety of the Mullaiperiyar dam to gain political mileage, Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa on Wednesday requested Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to advise the Kerala government not to take up its plan to build a new dam as the present one is safe and functioning well....When Kerala raised the safety issue in 1979, the then Chairman of the Central Water Commission inspected the dam and concluded that there was no danger to the dam and suggested certain measures to strengthen the structure.
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Now that the CM has gained "political mileage" (Panchayat and Municipal elections) she should advise the TN anti-nuclear lobby to stop "whipping up a fear psychosis and panic among the people of the State" and accept the report of the Central govt. appointed team regarding the reactor safety issues just as they accepted the report of the Chairman of the Central Water Commission on the dam issue.
The TN CM should also consider passing another resolution in the assembly revoking its earlier one on stopping the works at Kudankuam.
gakakkad wrote:Koodankulam is the safest reactor in existence ..It is far ahead of the ancient American reactors and the ones made in Japan.
Looks like 'ancient' designs need to be 're-engineered' as per 'certain' standards and no other, with refurbishments process to be done as per protesters' convictions.
Why would be a new tech, such as passive ones, need to be certified by one of the competitors?
1. Koodankulam nuclear plant is safe. But further fears need to be allayed from the protestors. I do not agree with Kalam that is 100% safe. Scientists themselves do not agree with this view. But it does not mean that there will be any immediate radiation around this place and also not much threat to people! I cannot disagree with this but then the question how to remove the fears of the people around them.
2. Has the govt taken any steps for protecting the Plant from any disasters including Tsunami? Why not build a Wall to protect any water coming into this plant similar to Japanese Tsunami walls? Possiblities to think about it.
3. Has govt of India and Tamil Nadu given jobs and land prices for those who gave their lands and jobs to give this place? Not yet. Kanyakumari is an interesting place where Keralites and Tamilians work closely together, live and intermarry. So for me it is better to settle people's local greivances about their jobs, lands and industries. Why not Govt of India promise the local people with some shipping corridors or industries estates that may also help the local people to turn in favour of the plant.
4. Some Green NGOs have certainly joined the protestors and made people aware of the issue locally. The govt should get these people out of this place. The church will support if there is a consultation organised by the govt at national level with the help of hte churches and other faith based organisations who share similar concerns about nuclear plants so that they can all be educated.
5. Govt of India has often neglected the Christians as they are very tiny minority (not more than 3%) and their concerns because minority support for the govt of India goes mainly to Muslims not to Christians. even those who were part of the members of the Minority commission was not often selected from pro-Indian churches such as Syrians or Marthoma or CSI or CNI. Rather they are often from Pentecostal groups or Charismatic groups. Very often the churches' concerns are often not even looked at by the present govt of India even though they say they are prominority and they get votes from these minorities all their votes. Some of these grievances are mixed up with these Nuclear issues that suddenly arises. It will be good to understand some of the concerns of Christian minorities in India though I wholeheartedly support nuclear plant at Koodankulam.
Has govt of India and Tamil Nadu given jobs and land prices for those who gave their lands and jobs to give this place? Not yet. Kanyakumari is an interesting place where Keralites and Tamilians work closely together, live and intermarry. So for me it is better to settle people's local greivances about their jobs, lands and industries. Why not Govt of India promise the local people with some shipping corridors or industries estates that may also help the local people to turn in favour of the plant.
So the locals realize about the need for the plant to provide jobs etc 15 years after the plant was set up and running??
5. Govt of India has often neglected the Christians as they are very tiny minority (not more than 3%) and their concerns because minority support for the govt of India goes mainly to Muslims not to Christians. even those who were part of the members of the Minority commission was not often selected from pro-Indian churches such as Syrians or Marthoma or CSI or CNI. Rather they are often from Pentecostal groups or Charismatic groups. Very often the churches' concerns are often not even looked at by the present govt of India even though they say they are prominority and they get votes from these minorities all their votes. Some of these grievances are mixed up with these Nuclear issues that suddenly arises. It will be good to understand some of the concerns of Christian minorities in India
Hmmmm..............protest is not religious( as per few folks) but Christians are angry with govt and so protesting against a N-plant!!
It took several centuries for the Pope and Vatican to admit that the entire galaxy of their "Newtons and Einsteins",the entire academia of the Vatican's best scientific minds, with millenia of scientific knowledge possessed by them in their secret archives,were horribly wrong and that Gallileo was right! How many centuries will it take for the Catholic Church's priests leading the KKM agitation to admit that they were wrong and the likes of ex-pres Kalam and our foremost N-scientists with decades of experience in designing and running our N-plants were right?
If these cassocked overnight nuclear experts are indeed right,why hasn't the Vatican orchestrated worldwide protests against N-energy especially in the so-called "Christian" countries? Surely the same "morality" about N-power applies universally and not just in India? Secondly,why are there also NO protests or campaigns by these eminent church nuclear Newtons and western NGOs against the western manufacturers and suppliers of N-energy,who are all queuing up to sell their lethal wares to us!
Thirdly,the buffoons of the TN political spectrum,the disgraced,defeated bunch of Eelamists and their ilk,have sudddenly woken up decades later after Chernobyl like Rip Van Winkle and along with the cassocked Einsteins and Newtons,now rage against KKM and have even uttered clarion calls for the demolition of Kalpakkam which was built 40 years ago! Neither do they seriously debate the issue ,in fact refuse too,with such a pre-eminent son of the soil,Abdul Kalam and some,perhaps who have not even passed their high school exams, have even rubbished him and his findings!
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's",said Christ. In simple langauge,obey the laws of the state in which you reside and obey God's universal laws of truth and morality.The unlawful manner in which these protests are being carried out,disgrace the cloth of the cassocked crowd and one must ask,what example are the setting for their flock? They are supposed to give succour to man's spiritual needs and not behave like political agitators.In our church we pray every Sunday for the wellbeing and wisdom of our country's leaders in their well-governing of our country,we don't lead politically slanted protests out on the streets!
It is why the separation of religion and the state in France has taken place.Matters of faith must be met with spiritual food,not with inducements like biryani!
Our leaders today have sent their best scientific minds to study the KKM project in the aftermath of Fukushima.They have cleared the project and have attempted to allay the fears of the locals,but are being prevented from explaining and convincing the majority of ordinary people because of certain leaders who have a different agenda.Some have even adopted a total anti-N stance which goes against the overwhelming majority of the people of this country and some even trying to physically injure plant workers and the facilities.In fact,with protests FOR the plant emanating from many other parts of this energy-starved state,I am sure that even if a referendum is taken,the overwhelming majority of TN residents will support the plant and future reactor installations too.If there is a lack of faith in our leaders,then the democratic process is available to every voter.To behave in anti-national manner,as the KKM protesters are doing, is to invite official trouble.
As for minority rights and Christians being neglected,perhaps the needs of those converts from former depressed backgrounds should be redressed,on "economic backwardness" as the criteria,not on caste.There is poverty in every community in India.Why,there is a lot of poverty in even so-called "forward" communities and I personally feel that even Brahmins should be declared as a "minority",with minority rights and privileges, so that their unique heritage and repository of knowledge,passed down through oral traditions,spanning millenia,can be preserved for posterity.Generally speaking,urban Christians through the advantages of education are better off than many others.
Increasingly, it is becoming clear that the leaders of the anti-KKNPP protests are not interested in knowing answers to their questions. Their mind was made up and the questions were just a convenient facade. The gullible fisherfolk in these areas are being fraudulently shepherded into an agitation whose real purpose seems to be something else. It is no longer tenable to defend them. They must be dealt with 'severely' as enough soft handling has already been done.
My friends in Indian nuclear establishment tell me that the plot is even more sinister than what we are discussing here.. ie not only is our energy market targeted , they also hope to delay or disrupt our military program.. As the details are not out in the public domain , I ll not bother mentioning them. Not that they divulged a lot to me.. But there is a reason why protesters Kudankulam was chosen in particular.. And it would suffice to say that there is something about the particular location that has military implications.
As far as safety of the plant is concerned , read the article I posted above..It was written in 2002. Natural disasters like tsunami were taken into account upon the inception of the plant. Nuclear engineers are some of the smartest people on the planet.They know that natural disasters have to be taken into account Koodankulum plant is work of art..They have far more complex solutions incorporated in it rather than simply building a wall to ward of the tsunami. I can assure you that in event of a tsunami ,if you die ,you ll due to flooding in the tusnami and not due to radiation sickness..I am told that the protestors prefer death by flooding rather than radiation sickness. Well ,the designers of the plant have taken that into account.. No one will die of radiation sickness..Happy ?...
gakakkad wrote:>>Coming back to Koodankulam plant, given the fact that the construction of the plant has been in progress since 1997 it is using a 15 years old technology. Hence, I doubt the plant would be equipped with all the latest Passive Core Cooling system and latest back- up mechanism(s) to handle a worst case disaster scenario such as a tsunami
beyond bullcrap..this f@#tard is using random terminology without even understanding what he himself is saying..
Entirely agree. This person (author of the "KKNP Risk Analysis" article in the "TruthDrive Blog" which had been quoted a few posts earlier in this thread) may have an agenda to sell foreign-made Westinghouse AP1000 reactor.
I have tended to believe that I have earlier come across in this thread, one with an agenda to sell foreign-made EPR-1600 reactor.
2. Has the govt taken any steps for protecting the Plant from any disasters including Tsunami? Why not build a Wall to protect any water coming into this plant similar to Japanese Tsunami walls? Possiblities to think about it.
In this matter, I tried to follow the age old advice "seek and ye shall find".
(a) The KKNPP Comprehensive Envitonmental Impact Assessment by NEERI has been posted in NPCIL web site.
In the Executive Summary of the report, among other things, it has been broughtout: [quote]
. . .
• The nuclear power plant is protected by five safety barriers viz. primary
confinement around radioactive material, secondary confinement of strongest civil
structure, exclusion zone of 1.6 km with green belt, sterilization zone of 5 km (no
development activity), and 7.5 m high rock wall of 2 km length on sea front for
safety against natural calamities like Tsunami waves and tidal waves.
. . .
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(b) Para 5.25 (page 27 of 40) of the Report of the Expert Group on KKNPP constituted by Government of India (which has been linked by me earlier in this thread) gives details of safety provisions made in the plant design in relation to Oceanography related features (Flood level, Elevation of safety related buildings, Tsunami Warning Systems, Earthquake notification Systems).
^^Areva wanted to set up a reactors in Khanate.. One in MO (callaway) and the other in maryland.. The deals were cancelled even after the contract was awarded...The French were not able to do new-clear bijness with Khan ...
gakakkad wrote:^^Areva wanted to set up a reactors in Khanate.. One in MO (callaway) and the other in maryland.. The deals were cancelled even after the contract was awarded...The French were not able to do new-clear bijness with Khan ...
It Must have something to do with Protestants and Catholics, as AREVA reactors are from proven pedigree and GE/Westinghouse/Hitachi combine sucks and perhaps they are fomenting troubles in KKNPP to ease out russian plants in rest of India (KKNPP is fait accomplii) I think that brings an interesting idea, perhaps INC, with EJ links and Scamming tendency, is actually behind this agitations since russians would not give maal to them and GE/Wstinghouse chaps would bring loads of moolah to those architects of 123. Afterall protestant amirkhans can't sit back and see ruskies taking lead while they slogged hard for selling their "ancient" GE/Westinghouse reactors.AREVA in Jaitapur has been bludgeoned by these same scamming types.
Afterall we might not be able to go beyond 20 GW as of now for next 30 years.
gakakkad wrote:My friends in Indian nuclear establishment tell me that the plot is even more sinister than what we are discussing here.. ie not only is our energy market targeted , they also hope to delay or disrupt our military program.. As the details are not out in the public domain , I ll not bother mentioning them. Not that they divulged a lot to me.. But there is a reason why protesters Kudankulam was chosen in particular.. And it would suffice to say that there is something about the particular location that has military implications.
This has been obvious for a long time. Indian energy market is being targeted with psy ops - green, carbon index etc. also they are using PRC as a global competitor against India in energy, trade, and global influence.
They are also after India's weapons program using psy ops such as Pakistan nuke program and directly with NPT, and NSG etc.
gakakkad wrote:My friends in Indian nuclear establishment tell me that the plot is even more sinister than what we are discussing here.. ie not only is our energy market targeted , they also hope to delay or disrupt our military program.. As the details are not out in the public domain , I ll not bother mentioning them. Not that they divulged a lot to me.. But there is a reason why protesters Kudankulam was chosen in particular.. And it would suffice to say that there is something about the particular location that has military implications.
This has been obvious for a long time. Indian energy market is being targeted with psy ops - green, carbon index etc. also they are using PRC as a global competitor against India in energy, trade, and global influence.
They are also after India's weapons program using psy ops such as Pakistan nuke program and directly with NPT, and NSG etc.
Its good thing the so called Moral, conscience keepers are exposed so early at this stage. If its proven that the leaders of agitation are indeed trying to sabotage the strategic weapon, energy security programme and undermine the national progress then they should be dealt with the ways reserved for the enemy of the state ,country and society. India is not to be Phillipinised.
1. Who put these fears and why they did it to begin with? Why can't you "believe" APJ Kalam and why can you believe another scientist? When will you start thinking beyond what your church says?
2. On one hand you claim that your and your church followers became aware of nuclear risks after Japan disaster. On the other hand you want india to follow japanese design/construction standards. When did you see your shrink the last time?
3. Is your problem with compensation and jobs or the plants design and your Christian Morals? First be clear about it. One of the answers already mentioned that the compensation is given to the state govt. Go ask them instead of falling for their Dravidian nonsense.
4. Why should Govt approach church for their help? Aren't they the moral beacon of the world and the leader of the faithful? If they think the presence of foreign NGOs is immoral why can't they fight it on their own? Or they did not get Vatican's approval yet?
5. Aren't you ashamed to bring Christian minority politics into this discussion? Why should GoI do anything special to you just because you are Christian? Aren't you a citizen of this nation?
And is this the issue and approach you take to express your minority concerns? And you go crying to moderators when someone questions your patriotism?
If you have any self-respect or morality left in you, you would go and kick the church leader who pulled you into this and return to your native fold. Then you will get all the benefits of the majority Indians receive; including the pride of being Bharatiya.
. Been on forums long enough to spot such snobbish posts - also know that such posters refuse to be drawn into technical arguments by going into a shell because of sheer incompetency.
