India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 13 Dec 2011 08:08

From The Hindu, December 13, 2011
According to Mr. Soli Sorabjee, Nuclear liability rules (are) ultra vires

I do hope the foreign-supplier-friendly parts in the Rules as at present, do get struck down. If these liability rules have been framed to help indigenous suppliers, then I would recommend that we can have two sets of rules, one for indigenous manufacturers, and a more strict one with stringent recourse period (5 years max is too small) applicable for foreign suppliers.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 13 Dec 2011 19:13

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1205869

Yogi_G wrote:Take it for its worth but I feel the link below is in the same context of "fears" being propped up to undermine national interests and unity.

Mullaperiyar Dam and Sabarimala: The religious roots of the Controversy

Wow! Oh man what an assessment! I read it here before the flareup started.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Dec 2011 00:15

Truth they say is stranger than fiction.In the light of the "switched on" agitations at KKM,the sudden "switching on" of the dam controversy has had me puzzled many a time.There appears as the author says a "seasonal" angle to such agits.But why the TN govts.,past and present have made such a bollocks of this issue defeats me.Both Dravidian parties are guilty of fanning flames.
The false prestige attached to pushing one's point of view has been disgusting.Years ago we had the Cauvery agits in Karnataka,where if I remember correctly,TN industrial interests were attacked near Mysore and movement of Tamils and Kannadigas between state boundaries was hazardous.Water wars is becoming more commonplace these days as predicted and political parties are refusing to adopt a scientific approach to resolving the problem.

A sheer waste of time,energy and money,whipping up sentiments of the mass of illiterate voters,who are kept in their ignorance by throwing freebies at them-tvs,mixies,etc. for which they require large scale plants which our great agitators at KKM want to throw into the sea!

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 14 Dec 2011 12:53

As losses mount, Areva goes in for huge job cuts

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Areva's CEO, Luc Oursel, announced drastic job cutbacks and the sale of over €2 billion worth of assets, essentially in the company's uranium mines sector, to offset these losses. Trading in the company's stock was temporarily suspended on the Paris bourse.

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The company's flagship reactor model, the EPR (the only one on offer from Areva), is facing severe delays and cost overruns and its future may be in jeopardy.

Electricity major EDF is reportedly planning to scrap the third generation EPR for a completely new design to be developed jointly with the China Guangdong Nuclear Power Group, or CGNPG.

If that were to be the case, India's plans to purchase the EPR for Jaitapur might well become redundant.

The EPR has been widely criticised as being design-wise too complex and unnecessarily expensive and complicated to build.

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There are only four EPR reactors under construction and at least two of them, in Finland and in France, have experienced long delays and cost over runs.

Little information is available about the two EPRs — Taishan I and II being built in China.

In fact, the sorry fate of the EPR reactor is one of the main causes of Areva's difficulties today.

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Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 14 Dec 2011 13:14

Panel to finalise report on Kudankulam N-plant

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Meanwhile, officials of KNPP are baffled at the attitude of the district administration over their inspection of the plant site and the vehicles coming into the plant.

“The protestors and officials board all our vehicles to check the number of people going inside the plant. Officials of district administration also come to the plant and insist on personal inspection of all the facilities to see whether any construction activity is going on,” said an official of KNPP.

He said the district officials say they have been asked by the Tirunelveli district collector to carry out the inspection but do not produce any written instructions.

“Though the nuclear power stations are high security installations, in order to avoid any confrontation with the state government we are cooperating with the demands of the district officials. However, we are sending our reports to our higher officials,” he said.

When contacted for his response, Tirunelveli District Collector R.Selvaraj said he is busy to comment on Kudankulam issue.

According to a NPCIL official, around 80 people are sent inside the first unit to carry out the essential maintenance work.

After trying to exert political pressure all these days, is it now attempt at physical sabotage?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 14 Dec 2011 15:18

Sanatanan wrote: After trying to exert political pressure all these days, is it now attempt at physical sabotage?

Guess the center knows this too. The remote controllers don't mind the sabotage, as simple as that otherwise how come protesters have broken laws repeatedly but are still no steps taken to protect law and order. Law and order are not supreme in this religiously colored protests apparently.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Dec 2011 12:17

A few days ago there was a report that sabotge of oil pipelines/installations,etc., would now even get the "death sentence".The same yardstick should eb applied to sabotge and ,encouragement of sabotage of N-pnts because of their greater catastrophic risk.The law should be amended with retrospective effect so that some of the would be "saboteurs" and "promoters" of sabotage,could be hauled up before the courts.

Having failed in their insidious attempts to derail KKM thrugh local protests with the aid of quislings and rent-boys,the N-suppliers are now "shifting the posts" as mentioned above.Our veiled warning is most welcome.It indicates a stiffening of spine,not seen before.This week's Indo-Russian summit must be leveraged for all its worth.Russia can score with more supplying N-plants KKM style and India can outflank those N-suppliers who are trying to armtwist and blackmail us into accepting N-servility.

Here is an interesting aricle on the state oif N-powers today,the growing states with N-weapons and the goal of N-proliferation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence- ... 47319.html
Lawrence Bender.Film Producer
The Indispensable Choice: Eliminating Nuclear Weapons
12/14/11

XCpt:

Today, I will have the honor of receiving from United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon the UN Correspondents Association Advocacy of the Year Award for my work in the Global Zero movement to eliminate all nuclear weapons. Since I and one hundred international leaders from around the world launched the movement three years ago this month, we have made tremendous progress, but if we are to avert nuclear catastrophe, our leaders must act with much greater urgency to set our course to the elimination of all nuclear weapons.

When the lights went out on the Soviet Union on Mikhail Gorbachev's watch twenty years ago this month, the fate of its thirty-five thousand nuclear weapons became a source of deep concern to the world. Russia had to round up its nuclear inheritance from most of the fourteen other republics that emerged from the Soviet break-up, in many cases prying them loose from countries like Ukraine that claimed ownership. Miraculously, Russia retrieved them without losing its grip on a single weapon, thanks in large part to the herculean effort of the Russian general in charge, Evgeny Maslin.

But the list of nuclear dangers has only expanded over the past two decades, and frankly there is little relief in sight. The world is beset with problems and preoccupied with economic challenges that have distracted attention from the even greater danger of nuclear catastrophe. We are pretending as though this peril will go away if we ignore it.

New threats are knocking on the door - the spreading of the bomb to additional countries, and potentially to terrorists. Since Gorbachev stepped down, Pakistan, India, and North Korea have acquired and tested the bomb. Iran is moving ever closer to that day. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey and others are waiting in the wings. As Iran goes, so go them. The world faces the specter of cascading proliferation that may not be stoppable if it gains further momentum. Terrorists will stand a better chance of getting their hands on them. The use of nuclear weapons would become inevitable.

And there remain serious risks stemming from the continuing Cold War habits of the United States and Russia to keep many hundreds of their nuclear-armed intercontinental rockets poised for launch within a few minutes. In the documentary film Countdown to Zero, which I produced, Gorbachev recalls how hair-trigger nuclear missiles allowed him only minutes to decide whether to unleash Soviet nuclear forces on apparent warning of an incoming strike. His counterpart in nuclear negotiations, former President Ronald Reagan, also was astonished at how little time for reflection was allowed by the standing nuclear war plans: In his memoirs, Reagan wrote: [pp. 36-7] "Russian submarines off our East Coast with nuclear missiles could turn the White House into a pile of radioactive rubble within six or eight minutes. Six minutes to decide how to respond to a blip on radar scope and decide whether to release Armageddon! How could anyone apply reason at a time like that?"

What is more astonishing is that virtually nothing has changed. Both Russia and the United States continue to prepare to fight a large-scale nuclear war with each other on a moment's notice. If their launch-ready stances are adopted by the world's other nuclear weapons countries, then the risks of the accidental or unauthorized use of nuclear weapons would grow exponentially. As Enrico Fermi said about the laws of physics, if an event is not prohibited absolutely, then it will happen eventually. If nuclear weapons are not stood down and eliminated, one day they will be used.

Rather than retreating from the precipice of an avoidable disaster, almost all of the nine nuclear weapons countries are upgrading their nuclear arms, at an estimated total cost of one trillion dollars over the next decade. The United States is constructing new uranium and plutonium factories to build bombs, and planning to build new nuclear-armed submarines and bombers. Russia is embarked on a 70-billion dollar binge to replace its aging nuclear forces. China is building its first fleet of nuclear missile submarines and truck-based nuclear forces. Great Britain is preparing to build four new Trident-class submarines. France just christened a new nuclear missile submarine. Pakistan is surging its production of nuclear materials and may take third place in nuclear-arsenal size within a few years, ahead of everyone but Russia and the U.S. India is playing catch-up deploying new land-based missiles and submarines. Even Israel is buying submarines (from Germany), equipping them with nuclear cruise missiles and deploying them in the Persian Gulf to pose a nuclear threat to Iran. The bête noire of nuclear countries, North Korea, is spending extravagantly on its nuclear factories and missiles while its people starve.
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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Dec 2011 16:06

There was a report in a national newspaper that at a seminar on N-power in Coimbatore,where eminent N-scientist,Dr.MR Srinivasan,familiar figure on telly,was chief speaker,the anti-KKM mob barged in and heckled him,plus a huge crowd of "bussed in " anti-plant protesters also made they way into this southern city.The Q is,who is paying for such large mobs being transported all the way from the south coast and organised in the manner in which they are? To con the public into believing that all the funds are coming in from "poor fisherfolk's contributions" is the joke of the year! Another most interesting point,brought up by others earlier,is why are they wanting certain technical details about the plant that have no relation to its safety? They are being "fine-tuned" by vested interests and the pressure is being maintained as the stakes are so high,billions upon billions for a century+.

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 17 Dec 2011 07:31

"Conflict of interest" was very much in the news on 16/17 Dec 2011. Here is another I found

BBC says: India and Russia fail to extend nuclear plant plan

But The Hindu says: India, Russia agree on credit for Kudankulam Units 3, 4

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Dec 2011 17:32

Act Against Koodankulam Protestors: Centre to TN
Time to take tough action is long overdue.

With no solution in sight to end the protest against Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant, the Centre on Saturday asked the Tamil Nadu government to act against the protestors since the cases have already been filed.

“Why has the State government not acted against the protestors (despite filing cases)”, Minister of State in the PMO V. Narayanaswamy asked.

However, I am not sure if the Centre is demanding action by TN or is simply pleading with it.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Dec 2011 17:41

The question from the minister shows whining rather then pleading to me

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 17 Dec 2011 20:32

Kudankulam nuclear plant can't be left to remain idle: PM

While, for me, the other reasons for going ahead with KKNP, which have been cited by PM, as per the news report, are OK, I wish that the sentence quoted below had not been highlighted by him (even though it may be factually correct), for in my opinion, this argument tends to weaken the case and may only lead to counter questions on the wisdom of spending the money in the first place!!

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He also said that with a total 2,000 MW capacity, the first two units of Kudankulam built over the last decade at a cost of Rs.14,000 crore, "cannot be simply left idle."
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Just my thoughts.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 17 Dec 2011 20:36

TN separatists and chauvinists will be exposed thoroughly very soon.

The TN Govt wants Kerala to respect the judgement of experts on mullaiperiyar.Is it not incumbent on TN to respect the expert panels judgement on KKNPP.Incidentaly,the head of the expert panel,Shri Muthunayagam,senior scientist retired from ISRO is a christian nadar from Nagercoil.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Dec 2011 21:41

The hypocrisy seen in TN over KKM and the M-dam is so blatant that it makes a mockery of TN activists's case for both plant and dam.TN cannot have it both ways.Disregarding scientific evidence on an ad-hoc basis only suits the saboteurs of the nation's N-power independence.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2011 06:49

Yes, the hypocrisy is mind-boggling. The leaders are unmindful that anybody can expose their double-talk in a jiffy. For example, about how supreme-court judgements are sacrosanct and how the TN Assembly even passed a resolution on the death sentence to Rajiv's killers. The AIADMK TN government does not want to be seen involved in the KKNPP issue for various reasons. Unless it gets involved, there is no resolution. The DMK is making vague statements that can be interpreted in either way and has its own axe to grind with the centre. Except for the Congress, which is practically non-existent in the State, and the Communists the political parties are either 'sitting on the wall' or are supporting the protestors.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2011 06:53

Jayalalitha amazed at PM's statement on KKNPP

In a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, she said she was amazed to see in the media that at a joint press conference with the Russian President he had announced that the KKNPP would be “operationalised in a couple of weeks.”

She recalled that following the State Cabinet's resolution that further work should be halted until the fears of the local people were allayed and after the presentation of a memorandum to the Prime Minister by a delegation led by the Finance Minister, the Union government constituted an expert committee to interact with the nominees of the local people to explain the position on the safety aspects.

“The State government is facilitating the interaction through local officials. The satisfaction of the people of the area is of paramount importance to my government and the State of Tamil Nadu,” she said.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Dec 2011 09:22

Hindu:'Protesters threaten to lay seige to nuclear complex".

The aspiring Tamil fuhrer,"Dr" Udaykumar,has said in the report,that he will lay seige to the complex and demanded that the "fuel rods be removed" .However,Fuhrer Dr.U,completely slipped up and showed his "stripes",when he also said that the MMS-led govt. "failed to save Tamils during the Lankan ethnic struggle,prevent the on-going attacks on Tamil fishermen (which we've seen to be highly exaggerated from CG evidence and also complicated by huge smuggling rackets involving pro-LTTE forces) and understand even the rationale behind the Tamils' continuing struggle against KKNPP".The "Tiger" has shown his stripes!

Now what do his statements really mean? Firstly,the total unwillingness to accept our scientists and their reassurances.Wherever they try to educate the public as seen at seminars at Coimbatore recently,they disrupt the proceedings gangster fashion,bussing in hordes of "troops".The idea being to prevent the populace form knowing the real truth.The entire state from other media reports WANTS the plant because it is reeling under the most drastic power cuts ever in its history and local industry is collapsing.The utterly incompetent TNEB ,allegedly corrupt to the core,has incurred losses amounting to more than "40,000 crore and is bankrupt! The amazing fact is that all funds supporting this state-wide agitation is coming from "fisherfolk".I never knew that "fishing" could be so rewarding! Some sources have alleged that the local opposition is also heavily funding the mob with banknotes and biryani,using the equally morally bankrupt "Church" to "feed" the hungry with things more material than spiritual! The use of the church also as catspaw, is a traditional method of destabilising nations by the CIA/west.

Secondly,the fact that the AEC has run N-plants successfully in India for decades,does not cut any ice with Dr.U.He has arrogated to himself the mantle of being the supreme authority on all matters atomic in the land and his followers now say that the area is highly "volcanic",and that "volcanoes" will erupt if the plant runs! Now this must be the joke of the year and even if these volcanoes do erupt,as the protesters say,it will not be the N-plant "running",but Dr.U and his cronies "running" for their lives! Since the region is now going to be covered with ash and lava by the doomsdaysayers,why doesn't the good Dr.U warn his people about "Apocalypse Now" and ask them to start packing up and looking for a new "homeland" instead?

Thirdly,the most dangerous ways in which Dr.U and his henchmen plan to stop or sabotage the plant is absolute treason.If the GOI can now pass a law making sabotage of oil installations and pipelines an act that will get the guilty the death sentence,then the same yardstick must apply to KKM.Dr.U and co. are engaged in a most dangerous game of blind-man's bluff.It appears that their firang masters have told them that the GOI is spineless and unable to take action against them,passing the buck to the state govt. which also doesn't want a severe law and order on its hands for political reasons.Hence JJs blow hot-blow cold statements trying to play both sides and keep the DMK quiet,a routed corruption diseased party now looking for every opportunity to make it back to the front pages of TN's papers to gain political mileage.

It is now past time to declare the entire KKM region and a radius of approx. 40Km around it as a "strategic national installation" and that trespassers will be dealt with with the full force of the law,the bullet.If the quislings and rent-boys of TN do not keep their traps shut and retreat,then the GOI has to in the national interest,arrest the ringleaders,try them for treason and and hang the bl**dy lot! Allowing the KKM plant to be sabotaged or prevented from functioning is an anti-national act of the worst kind and no mercy should be given to the perpetrators of the intended sabotage.It is now almost tantamount to a declaration of WAR by "Dr.U",who is now appearing to don the mantle of rabid,virulent Tamil extremism "sanctified" by the late fuhrer of the LTTE, Prabhakaran!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2011 11:21

Philip wrote:However,Fuhrer Dr.U,completely slipped up and showed his "stripes",when he also said that the MMS-led govt. "failed to save Tamils during the Lankan ethnic struggle,prevent the on-going attacks on Tamil fishermen (which we've seen to be highly exaggerated from CG evidence and also complicated by huge smuggling rackets involving pro-LTTE forces) and understand even the rationale behind the Tamils' continuing struggle against KKNPP".The "Tiger" has shown his lstripes!

Philip, for whatever reason, whoever started this mindless agitation, different people seem to have hijacked it. The moment people like Vaiko, Nedumaran, Seeman etc. joined this protest, it was clear that the Tiger group was taking advantage of the situation.The leopard's spots can't change, nor can it remain hidden for too long, as your post shows. It is all the more important therefore for these people to be handled under due process of law without being so lenient on them.

Within the state, there is no support for these protestors. Ms. Jayalalitha can easily turn it around but her behaviour is schadenfreude. MMS must give some sops to her, like how he turned around Ms. Mamta in the petrol price hike case,

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Dec 2011 11:55

Wild accusations again without a shred of proof. What happened to to all those crazy police cases. Nothing. What happened to the crazy claims of IB. Nothing. There is no proof.

And this is posted by a person who it is not even clear was born an Indian citizen. Or has any respect for Indian institutions or a love for this country. And backed up by a 'Forum Moderator' no less, who adds his own layer of wild conspiracy theories. Not only that, bringing in LTTE sympathy into it as well. Talk about thread disruption.

A few days back this same 'Forum Moderator' called these folks the 'Taliban' of India. And found humor in that. His own country women no less. Such is the level of BRF these days. Disgusting.

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 18 Dec 2011 11:57

Philip wrote: . . .
It is now past time to declare the entire KKM region and a radius of approx. 40Km around it as a "strategic national installation" and that trespassers will be dealt with with the full force of the law,the bullet.. . .

I would suggest that we may go one step even further (than the bolded part above).

Not only KKNP, but also with respect to all other NPPs, India should re-merge the "Civilian" and "Military" demarcations which were created for the purposes of sell-out. India should return back the number of U235 atoms that it has recently imported subsequent to and on the basis of the nuclear deal, and then revoke the entire deal. This may give the requisite leverage to the Centre to deal with recalcitrant State Govts.

For me, right from day one, the ill-conceived and misbegotten deal was bad, creating more woes than solving.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 18 Dec 2011 11:59

Yeah SS ji JJ needs a central package, she already had visited Delhi for this but Delhi didnt oblige, she is therefore using the KKM lever to get a package. TN police(the Q branch more so) by this time would have infiltrated the KKM group. The moment JJ decides to break up the game will be over in a week or so.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Dec 2011 12:31

Theo_Fidel wrote:Wild accusations again without a shred of proof. What happened to to all those crazy police cases. Nothing. What happened to the crazy claims of IB. Nothing. There is no proof.

And this is posted by a person who it is not even clear was born an Indian citizen. Or has any respect for Indian institutions or a love for this country. And backed up by a 'Forum Moderator' no less, who adds his own layer of wild conspiracy theories. Not only that, bringing in LTTE sympathy into it as well. Talk about thread disruption.

A few days back this same 'Forum Moderator' called these folks the 'Taliban' of India. And found humor in that. His own country women no less. Such is the level of BRF these days. Disgusting.

NO. Your rant is just another example of your own ingrained prejudices.

How much more "proof" do you want??

What is actually disgusting is what your "hero" udayakumar has mouthed below. His sponsors, ideology and motivation is crystal clear and his motivation is anti national and seditious to say the very least.

Protesters threaten to lay siege to nuclear complex at Kudankulam

Speaking amidst the protesters, who gathered in front of St. Lourdes Church after the meeting, Dr. Udayakumar said the Manmohan Singh-led Government at the Centre, which had “failed to save Tamils during the Sri Lankan ethnic struggle, prevent the ongoing attacks on Tamil fishermen and understand even the rationale behind the Tamils' continuing struggle against KKNPP,” was playing into the hands of multi-national companies.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 18 Dec 2011 13:40

Theo_Fidel wrote:There is no proof.

So the PM talking about the plant does not mean anything to these protestors.

Let us see whom alls views have the protestors ignored by now:
PM, current
A.P.J.A. Kalam, former President
Scientists
Officials of GoI

Now the protesters are talking about foreign investments also, other than Lankan conflict, etc.

Is there a proof needed to observe such a behavior of ignoring views from the highest authorities and not listening, and then pointing at unrelated issues?

Would some dictionary definition be sufficient for such a behavior, where protestors listen to noone and become utterly political and break laws and disrupt proceedings even when the confusion is cleared by scientists?

Is such a hollow behavior needed to be backed? The issue is not even religious as pointed out earlier as in other Christian majority countries such a behavior and such religious policies of clergy is hardly seen even when development in nuclear tech is going on and techs are improvising. Accusations and not answering is hardly not mutual here.

I hope that proof of foreign hand comes out very soon and that political games are avoided for smooth functioning, despite religious colors painted.

Foreign hand behind Kudankulam stir? Govt launches probe link

a probe into functioning of six non-government organisations in Tamil Nadu and a notice has been issued to them seeking explanation of utilisation of funds received from abroad.
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"Money has been flowing into the protests. We have been inquiring this aspect for some time now," a source told PTI.
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The home ministry has sent notices to six NGOs, based in Tuticorin, asking them to explain the utilisation of the funds received under Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act
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all 20 nuclear reactors in the country were functioning very well

So the facts now are clear that six involved NGOs, from Tuticorin, who get foreign funds are asked to provide utilization.

The doubts about foreign funds are also gone.

It is to be seen how well the NGOs reply about utilization of the funds, a fig leaf provided- however transparent - as a procedure to demonstrate utilization of foreign funds.

Now a question could be asked to prove that the foreign funding, for protests against the nuclear plant, was not against Indian interests etc. but provided for welfare of people through NGOs by protesting against nuclear power. Just thinking aloud.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Dec 2011 18:53

What happened to the probes against AH or for that matter NM or even BR. GOI targets dissent for harassment.

Still no proof. Just wild allegations.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Dec 2011 19:10

Theo_Fidel wrote:What happened to the probes against AH or for that matter NM or even BR. GOI targets dissent for harassment.

Still no proof. Just wild allegations.

Do you have answers to the questions I asked? Did you get a chance to ask your church leaders about my questions?

What is the proof that KK is dangerous, it hasn't exploded yet. All KKM concerns are just wild allegations.

somaz · Post by **somaz** » 18 Dec 2011 19:31

There is massive mis-information campaign on the ground with overt and covert support from certain political parties . Most of the educated folks coming back to talk to these villagers belong to a certain community with an agenda. Am not trying to stereotype or pass the blame. My information is, on the ground the clergy has been very effective in ensuring all relevant facts and information is cut off from the common masses (irrespective of religion) . A professor from Chennai was there a week ago (he is part of a Mechanical Engineering Dept & belongs to one of the evangelical denomination ) & he has shown a Chernobyl Documentary and claimed it is the exact same reactor they are building there. No one in the crowd could question his statement and when one of the men stoop up to say this was in 80's he was quickly heckled and bundled out. Most of my cousins feel the drift is beginning to put us on a losing wicket.

My personal best was this elderly lady burning in the sun who claimed current (electricity) from these plants cause cancer.

I very much doubt these probes will do much as our ruling dispensation in dilli is very much stirring the stew from the ground. Will have more updates this week with some of my family visiting a village near KKm for a function. lets wait and see.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 18 Dec 2011 19:48

>>I very much doubt these probes will do much as our ruling dispensation in dilli is very much stirring the stew from the ground. Will have more updates this week with some of my family visiting a village near KKm for a function. lets wait and see.

Precisely , I happen to know someone in the nuclear establishment. According to him the centre has not helped beyond lip service . Kalam came own his own. He was not requested by the centre to help unlike what the media reports suggested. There are a few quack doctors who are making all sorts of claim . NPCIL and BARC officials are having sleepless months . They are dead sure this is an intelligence operation against India.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Dec 2011 01:08

"If you screw with us ,we will screw you back".This is the pay-off for imposing open-ended liability for firang N-plants.While we may fret and fume,there is a silver lining,to those who are concerned about the depth of penetration by foreign intel agencies,and the widespread scale of the penetration,as it has brought out the "snakes from the hole".It involves on the one hand using so-called non-Catholic "Christian" organisations and their corrupt leadership.I use the term "non-Catholic" instead of "Protestant" because the word now refers to mainstream churches which have been overtaken in mass activity by Pentecostal and evangelical movements which have dubious sources of funding,usually from the US.The Catholic Church takes its orders from the Vatican which has its
own religious agenda.

Apart from the religious outfits ,certain state politicos,"amenable" to pressure and inducements,are on the lookout for easy moolah and the ever willing politicos lend political colour to confuse the state from taking decisive action against them and earn front page news to gain cheap popularity.

The third entity are the anti-Indian terror groups who have made this part of the region their own.They are heavily indebted to foreign intel agencies,and their orchestration of terror groups.They also possess a rabid hatred for the Indian state and its leaders and have close links with Tamil extremists and subversive groups within the country.

The actions of the anti-plant brigade show that they are highly organised and the manner in which key Qs have been asked for reveal their true intentions.There is no aternative for the GOI but to take the toughest law and order measures

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 19 Dec 2011 07:19

This declaration of forcing through units 3&4 without any consultation is hardening the stand of the locals. Very foolish move by MMS. Deliberately setting a fire for mama & princeling.

While we are on the topic of conspiracies I would note that the cash for votes scam (you know, real foreign buy out of parliament, no less) investigation is ongoing and MMS is feeling some pressure with the recent arrests.

Meanwhile the Indian 'Taliban' are marching....

The anti-Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project protesters took out a massive rally from Kudankulam to neighbouring Radhapuram on Sunday in protest against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's announcement at Moscow that the work at KKNPP would commence within a couple of weeks.

Condemning the Indian government's plan to sign an agreement with Russia on establishing 3rd and 4th nuclear reactors at KKNPP during Dr. Singh's recent visit to Moscow, the anti-KKNPP struggle committee had earlier announced that the protesters would be on 72-hour relay fast till Dr. Singh leaves for India.

After the end of the 72-hour-long relay fast around 12.30 p.m., the agitators started their protest rally from Sri Bathrakaaliamman Temple at Kudankulam. Following a simple prayer at the temple, porridge was served to the participants, mostly women, before the 11-km-long procession started.

Raising slogans against the KKNPP and demanding the scrapping of the nuclear power programme, around 5,000 protesters, holding placards, reached Radhapuram on foot around 3 p.m.

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 19 Dec 2011 08:25

In Tamil Nadu Biryani ,500Rs and a bit of fear mongering can start any marches

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Dec 2011 09:58

^^ Sirji, i cannot believe that you keep posting pics of locals marching ( again and again) and claiming that these cant be folks who were made to do so by the well funded agent provocateurs. By that logic, every politician should never loose a election since every neta manages to attract at-least 1L people/rally during election season!!

Do you really believe that the only proof of some shady foreign funding taking place is if people march while dressed in the national costume of the country funding the protests??

This declaration of forcing through units 3&4 without any consultation is hardening the stand of the locals. Very foolish move by MMS. Deliberately setting a fire for mama & princeling.

Pray what is this consultation and with whom should it be done since the leaders of this protest like the eminent nuclear scientists, UdayaKumar/Praful bidwai etc, have already declared that nothing is negotiable till the existing plant is shut down!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Dec 2011 10:04

Sadly,the brainwashed underclass in TN can be bought with very little coin! A B&W TV,now colour (which I'm told by my Keralite pals,they smuggle over into Kerala because every thatched room in TN has an average of 1+ tellys!),mixies (which they can't use because of the absence of any power in the state!),rags to wear,cheapo "laptops and computers" for schoolchildren-same problem,no power,little memory and a huge profit for thr party cronies who get the contracts! That was the hallmark of the DMK and the new regime seems to be taking its cue from the old.
The astonishing thing in TN politics is that like the cheapo computers,the voters who matter,the hordes we see in Theo's pic,also have "little memory".They happily forgot JJ's monumentally corrupt regime when she was last in power,she is still fighting court cases for the same,and the extra-constitutional authority which actually takes most of the decisions by her govt.They voted her back in and have little compunction in being "bussed in" for protests for banknotes and biryani! In TN it seems,time stands still.

When one studies TN politics,one does not know whether to laugh or cry.The masses are generally illiterate and kept in their illiteracy,so that they can be duped and misinformed by the likes of "Dr.U".The lemmings in the KKM area, are displaying the same standard of intelligence as the Gaullish village of Asterix and Obelix,whose greatest fear is that of the "sky falling on their heads" and run around like headless chickens! Instead of the sky falling on their heads,the worthy doomsday "scientists" of Dr.U,happily proclaim in shrieking apocalyptic voices like American country preachers, that the KKM plant will produce heat to activate volcanoes! These country preachers however cannot outdo the warnings of gloom and doom by their cassocked brethren,who with a dispensation from "God" or his representative on earth ,HH the Pope,that is if one is of the Roman faith,preach about the hellfire and damnation that the plant will bring,having aspirations of leading their flock like the prophet Moses-who incidentally spent 40 years in the wilderness leading the Hebrews nowhere!
The antics of these worthies is enough to fill the cinema houses in the land with should a film be made,perhaps by RGV? Laugh or cry,dear countrymen and women? If it were not so insidious and treasonable,one would be rolling on the floor!

Meanwhile,good luck to our investigating agencies who seem to have zeroed in on the source of funding for certain quisling NGO groups from media reports.Time to zero in on the rent-boy leaders too! I have the champagne in the chiller,awaiting the news that the quislings and rent-boys will grace the hallowed halls of our premier penal institutions !

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Dec 2011 11:47

I think Amma is using KNPP as a bargaining chip, she wants almost all the power or no plant. Looks like this is also a INC- AIDMK fight being fought using proxies.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Dec 2011 13:34

Indian firms step up hunt for global nuclear orders

The Heavy Water Board (HWB), which had marked some initial successes in the US and South Korea, has now invited expressions of interest from global agencies that can provide ‘sales representative services' for export of heavy water overseas. The mandate includes exploring the markets in countries such as South Korea, the US, the UK, France and Canada, identifying prospective buyers, facilitating negotiations and even submission of quotations.

Earlier, Hyderabad-based Nuclear Fuel Complex (NFC) had successfully executed an order received from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) against global competition for manufacture, supply and commissioning of the fuel element end-cap welding unit to Turkish Atomic Energy Authority. India has also readied a reactor prototype targeted at the export market, which has generated interest in Kazakhstan and among some Asean countries.

The HWB had earlier bagged one of its biggest export orders of 11 MT (metric tonnes) of heavy water from South Korean state-owned power firm KHNP two years back. This came on the back of orders for 4,400 kg of nuclear-grade heavy water from US firm Spectra Gases Inc and 4.6 tonnes of high-quality heavy water from US-based Cambridge Laboratories Inc.

While India had exported some quantities of heavy water in the late 1990s to South Korea and China, prior to the May 1998 nuclear weapons tests, the exported quantities were quite insignificant and there were no repeat orders. It is only now that the orders are picking up and, more importantly, importers include global nuclear powers such as the US and South Korea.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 19 Dec 2011 13:48

SP Udayakumar at some anti-nuclear conference in 2009 in Sweden.

http://www.folkkampanjen.se/milkas_konf ... 12.04.html

The words "Folkkampanjen" literally means peoples campaign. So it seems that the wise SP Udayakumar does not believe in what Dr.Abdul Kalam / Snr. Scientists say and instead wants to believe in <insert whatever here>

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 19 Dec 2011 19:33

Aditya_V wrote:I think Amma is using KNPP as a bargaining chip, she wants almost all the power or no plant. Looks like this is also a INC- AIDMK fight being fought using proxies.

Most likely I think. She is using this to get back at Center. Center is in quandary, everyone knows that, while it makes all the ingredients of serial shows in Indian channel, it is sad it has happened that way.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 19 Dec 2011 19:41

Theo_Fidel wrote:This declaration of forcing through units 3&4 without any consultation is hardening the stand of the locals. Very foolish move by MMS. Deliberately setting a fire for mama & princeling.

Sorry, did you say "consulation"? And what are things that needs to be consulted?

Theo_Fidel wrote:While we are on the topic of conspiracies I would note that the cash for votes scam (you know, real foreign buy out of parliament, no less) investigation is ongoing and MMS is feeling some pressure with the recent arrests.

so you are saying, like MMS who is feeling some pressure, coming days the leader of people Shri Udayakumar going to feel the pressure due to foreign connection?

Meanwhile the Indian 'Taliban' are marching....

poor people!

somaz · Post by **somaz** » 19 Dec 2011 20:31

kshatriya wrote:In Tamil Nadu Biryani ,500Rs and a bit of fear mongering can start any marches

Yes agree, attended a few myself when was in College !! Sold the bottle of booze but eat the biriyani & pocketed the the Rs 30 (few decades ago)

As a matter of fact twice i marched with the Congreswadis and did not even know what the march was for and later found out that one of them was because Corporation refused to name a road after Bhaktavathaclam (former CM)

the KKM is lot longer more sustained so the funding is quite deep and well organized.

somaz · Post by **somaz** » 19 Dec 2011 20:37

Kanson wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:I think Amma is using KNPP as a bargaining chip, she wants almost all the power or no plant. Looks like this is also a INC- AIDMK fight being fought using proxies.
Most likely I think. She is using this to get back at Center. Center is in quandary, everyone knows that, while it makes all the ingredients of serial shows in Indian channel, it is sad it has happened that way.

Please review the news in around the period the protests started, Amma passed a TN cabinet resolution to do everything possible to get KKM online by Dec 2011 . Jayanti N & PC et al smelled blood, so they started this to embarrass her with the people and paint her as "anti-poor" . She retorted by saying TN takes its hands off as Nuke Energy is Central Subject & Dilli is not doing enough , by which time the NGO parasites have become entrenched an vaiko kind of characters are now dictating the noise being emanated.

Amma has gone full ilt and is not saying you do your bit until then I will do nada.. not good for anyone. But as history shows the strategic thinking of the Kangress is light the fire and be burnt ~

Now with Shashikala out of the picture JJ will probably start cracking the whip and piss everyone off . Already all govt employees are angry she had cut off some of the pension payments to maintain balance budget & she is tightening the belt overall.

Sanatanan · Post by **Sanatanan** » 20 Dec 2011 11:34

From DNA, 19 Dec 2011:
The nuclear safety question

Hearing a recent PIL against India’s current nuclear policy and the need for an independent nuclear egulator, the Supreme Court wanted to know about a few examples of an independent regulatory mechanism. Top nuclear expert A Gopalakrishnan presents the French and the Canadian models

I think the full article is worth a read, although it talks about only the foreign (French and Canadian) models of Regulation. We are aware of Dr A.G's unflattering views on the Indian Regulastory set up.