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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Gus » 10 Apr 2014 01:23

Shreeman wrote:What I have come across of the artists is not particularly funny. Anyone knowledgeable about their comedy?


i have heard hari kondabolu(?) before...so-so, has potential and up and coming though.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Shreeman » 10 Apr 2014 02:01

Hitesh wrote:Johann,

Great to see you back!! I had fear that you had disappeared for good!! We miss your insights and thoughtful informative posts. Do not leave us again with too long of an absence!


Welcome back Johann, hope to see you posting actively again. There is almost a quorum again here, heartening to see.


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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Kati » 11 Apr 2014 10:25

^^^^^
You got to read the readers' comments...very interesting.

But, overall, I think a case of drug overdose..... And, the cops retained vaginal
swab if needed later.....

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Postby Anindya » 11 Apr 2014 12:16

Anti-Modi US congressional resolution now has 51 co-sponsors

A controversial Congressional resolution, which among other things asks the American administration to maintain its policy of not issuing visa to BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, now has more than 50 co-sponsors.

Rush Holt from New Jersey and Barbara Lee from California are the two lawmakers to have signed onto the resolution (H Res 417), thus taking the number of co-sponsors to 51.

The bipartisan resolution was introduced by Congressmen Keith Ellison from the Democratic Party and Joe Pitts from the Republican Party last November.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby merlin » 11 Apr 2014 12:23

Anindya wrote:Anti-Modi US congressional resolution now has 51 co-sponsors

A controversial Congressional resolution, which among other things asks the American administration to maintain its policy of not issuing visa to BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, now has more than 50 co-sponsors.

Rush Holt from New Jersey and Barbara Lee from California are the two lawmakers to have signed onto the resolution (H Res 417), thus taking the number of co-sponsors to 51.

The bipartisan resolution was introduced by Congressmen Keith Ellison from the Democratic Party and Joe Pitts from the Republican Party last November.


They can all go to hell. No relations with the US except transactional.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Kati » 11 Apr 2014 22:20

What transactional?
No contracts for Boeing...no defense purchase will send the message.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Shreeman » 12 Apr 2014 02:17

I have not seen this posted yet --

bbc

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Postby Virupaksha » 12 Apr 2014 02:34

Hitesh wrote:I recall several posts detailing the history where US engaged in duplicitious acts by interfering with other elections in other countries or fomenting unrest or trouble and using that as a pretext to send in peacekeepers or forces.

Can anyone provide examples?

you mean you are not seeing the live show in ukraine?

how do you think the whole tumble to islamism started in iran?

the leaked cables give a pretty decent history.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GeorgeWelch » 12 Apr 2014 08:28

GeorgeWelch wrote:
devesh wrote:contrary to Preet Bharara's pontificating, this is NOT a common practice.


It's also not common practice to arrest the family of those making a complaint.

this is the 3rd time you are making this idiotic false accusation.
warning issued.


Last edited by Rahul M on 19 Dec 2013 08:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.


I just want to mention that the claim was made in good faith and I would have been happy to provide a link upon request

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/diplo ... 131217.htm

Meanwhile, her husband and child in India were taken into custody, according to the witness.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby saip » 12 Apr 2014 09:00

Who is this 'witness'? How trustworthy is (s)he? Is it the same person accused by her own husband of lying and cheating? Were they arrested or merely taken to the police station. Do you have first hand knowledge instead of quoting some DDM quoting nameless witness?

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby SanjayC » 12 Apr 2014 09:08

Hitesh wrote:I recall several posts detailing the history where US engaged in duplicitious acts by interfering with other elections in other countries or fomenting unrest or trouble and using that as a pretext to send in peacekeepers or forces.

Can anyone provide examples?


East Timor. First they sent in the missionaries. Once the natives were converted, they sent in the army to save Christians from savage heathens. And lo and behold! A new country was formed. Same they are trying in Andhra and Tamil Nadu.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GeorgeWelch » 12 Apr 2014 09:37

SanjayC wrote:
Hitesh wrote:I recall several posts detailing the history where US engaged in duplicitious acts by interfering with other elections in other countries or fomenting unrest or trouble and using that as a pretext to send in peacekeepers or forces.

Can anyone provide examples?


East Timor. First they sent in the missionaries. Once the natives were converted, they sent in the army to save Christians from savage heathens. And lo and behold! A new country was formed. Same they are trying in Andhra and Tamil Nadu.


Portuguese controlled the area until 1974 when they 'decolonised'. East Timor declared independence. Indonesia invaded in 1975. There were over 18000 direct deaths and several times more indirect deaths. There was an active guerrilla resistance the entire time.

Indonesia eventually allowed a UN-supervised independence referendum

No peacekeepers deployed until after the referendum (that Indonesia agreed to) passed.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Vayutuvan » 12 Apr 2014 09:58

Reminds me if Puerto Rico albeit in a tangential manner because it is not exactly parallel but some similarity.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Lisa » 12 Apr 2014 13:47

GeorgeWelch wrote:
East Timor. First they sent in the missionaries. Once the natives were converted, they sent in the army to save Christians from savage heathens. And lo and behold! A new country was formed. Same they are trying in Andhra and Tamil Nadu.

Portuguese controlled the area until 1974 when they 'decolonised'. East Timor declared independence. Indonesia invaded in 1975. There were over 18000 direct deaths and several times more indirect deaths. There was an active guerrilla resistance the entire time.

Indonesia eventually allowed a UN-supervised independence referendum

No peacekeepers deployed until after the referendum (that Indonesia agreed to) passed.


Please note use of vocabulary.

Portuguese - decolonised = Good People

Indonesia - invaded = Bad People

and note so much of a whisper of what the Portuguese were doing so far from home converting people to an alien faith

P.S. I will check but I think it should be forcibly converting

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Yagnasri » 12 Apr 2014 14:24

Just like they did in Goa. Very peaceful.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2014 14:46

Lisa wrote:
GeorgeWelch wrote:
East Timor. First they sent in the missionaries. Once the natives were converted, they sent in the army to save Christians from savage heathens. And lo and behold! A new country was formed. Same they are trying in Andhra and Tamil Nadu.

Portuguese controlled the area until 1974 when they 'decolonised'. East Timor declared independence. Indonesia invaded in 1975. There were over 18000 direct deaths and several times more indirect deaths. There was an active guerrilla resistance the entire time.

Indonesia eventually allowed a UN-supervised independence referendum

No peacekeepers deployed until after the referendum (that Indonesia agreed to) passed.


Please note use of vocabulary.

Portuguese - decolonised = Good People

Indonesia - invaded = Bad People

and note so much of a whisper of what the Portuguese were doing so far from home converting people to an alien faith

P.S. I will check but I think it should be forcibly converting


Pretty much the same, what they did in Goa, when they "colonized" it by divine right and "refused" to leave.

The worst examples of the inquisition was carried out there. The portuguese lived then by theft as pretty much they do now as basket cases in the EU.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GeorgeWelch » 12 Apr 2014 15:04

Lisa wrote:and note so much of a whisper of what the Portuguese were doing so far from home converting people to an alien faith


Because it wasn't germane to the point, which was rebutting SanjayC's claims

To refresh your memory, here is the thread.

SanjayC wrote:
Hitesh wrote:I recall several posts detailing the history where US engaged in duplicitious acts by interfering with other elections in other countries or fomenting unrest or trouble and using that as a pretext to send in peacekeepers or forces.

Can anyone provide examples?



East Timor. First they sent in the missionaries. Once the natives were converted, they sent in the army to save Christians from savage heathens. And lo and behold! A new country was formed. Same they are trying in Andhra and Tamil Nadu.


SanjayC's claims are clearly false.

1. The area was already majority Christian before Indonesia invaded. There was no need for the US to 'convert the natives', they were already converted.
2. The US didn't send an army to save them from Indonesia. East Timor was already free of Indonesia (with Indonesia's agreement) before the first peacekeeping forces arrived.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2014 15:13

GeorgeWelch wrote:
Lisa wrote:and note so much of a whisper of what the Portuguese were doing so far from home converting people to an alien faith


Because it wasn't germane to the point, which was rebutting SanjayC's claims

To refresh your memory, here is the thread.

{quote="SanjayC"}{quote="Hitesh"}
I recall several posts detailing the history where US engaged in duplicitious acts by interfering with other elections in other countries or fomenting unrest or trouble and using that as a pretext to send in peacekeepers or forces.

Can anyone provide examples?{/quote}


East Timor. First they sent in the missionaries. Once the natives were converted, they sent in the army to save Christians from savage heathens. And lo and behold! A new country was formed. Same they are trying in Andhra and Tamil Nadu.{/quote}



SanjayC's claims are clearly false.

1. The area was already majority Christian before Indonesia invaded. There was no need for the US to 'convert the natives', they were already converted.
2. The US didn't send an army to save them from Indonesia. East Timor was already free of Indonesia (with Indonesia's agreement) before the first peacekeeping forces arrived.


Precisely the situation that they are so desperately trying to precipitate in srilanka, Tamil Nadu and Andhra and not to mention, exactly, what they have already "achieved", in the northeast of India.

It is the protestant who is very active in all these places.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 12 Apr 2014 16:00

It seems that the unkil has a very strong need to shape narratives. That some one or the other is always at hand to defend the unkil.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GeorgeWelch » 12 Apr 2014 16:35

Pratyush wrote:It seems that the unkil has a very strong need to shape narratives.


That wasn't so much 'shaping a narrative' as 'correcting blatant falsehoods.'

Pratyush wrote:That some one or the other is always at hand to defend the unkil.


Well there are over 300 million of us. I know that may not seem like a lot to you, but it's enough to put out some fires.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Vayutuvan » 12 Apr 2014 18:27

In telugu there is a proverb "aDusu tokkanEla kAlu kaDaganEla" which means "why to step into mud. Why to wash your feet to clean it afterwards?" It would be better not to start the fire. No need to put it out later. One watch Sunday night football with while eating a pizza with a beer or two on the side and some buffalo wings. Enjoy life moi compadre.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby chanakyaa » 12 Apr 2014 18:29

Anti-Modi US congressional resolution now has 51 co-sponsors

Adding the Contents of the actual Bill
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-resolution/417/text


Praising India’s rich religious diversity and commitment to tolerance and equality, and reaffirming the need to protect the rights and freedoms of religious minorities.

....
Whereas contrary to the tolerant and pluralistic traditions of the Hindu faith, strands of the Hindu nationalist movement have advanced a divisive and violent agenda that has harmed the social fabric of India;

Whereas on December 6, 1992, a large mob destroyed the historic 16th-century Babri Mosque in Ayodhya, which was located on a site claimed to be the birthplace of the Hindu god Rama;

Whereas according to the Congressional Research Service, “ensuing communal riots left many hundreds dead in cities across India” and “Mumbai was especially hard hit as the site of coordinated 1993 terrorist bombings believed to have been a retaliatory strike by Muslims”;

Whereas on February 27, 2002, in the city of Godhra in the western state of Gujarat, India, 58 Hindus were burnt alive in a train coach fire, and communal violence erupted in several Gujarati cities;

Whereas in the International Religious Freedom Report of 2003, the United States Department of State found that “In Gujarat the worst religious violence directed against Muslims by Hindus took place in February and March 2002, leaving an estimated 2,000 dead and 100,000 displaced into refugee camps … Christians were also victims in Gujarat, and many churches were destroyed”;

Whereas the Indian magazine Tehelka reported that many of the people who participated in the violence said it was possible only because of the connivance of the state police and Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi;

Whereas the United States Government denied Minister Modi a visa to the United States in 2005 on the grounds of egregious religious freedom violations under the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998, the first and only time such a denial has been issued;

Whereas 10 years after the violence took place, Human Rights Watch reported on February 24, 2012, that “Modi has acted against whistleblowers while making no effort to prosecute those responsible for the anti-Muslim violence … Where justice has been delivered in Gujarat, it has been in spite of the state government, not because of it.”;

Whereas 10 years after the violence took place, Amnesty International reported on February 29, 2012, that at least 21,000 survivors and relatives of the victims remained in 19 transit relief camps;

Whereas violence broke out between Christians and Hindus in the eastern state of Odisha in December 2007, with significant rioting and looting of shops and churches and more than 1,000 people displaced from their homes;

Whereas the August 2008 murder of a prominent Hindu leader of Vishwa Hindu Parishad in Odisha sparked a violent campaign against Christians, although Maoist extremists claimed responsibility for the assassination;

Whereas the United States Department of State reported that 40 people were killed, 134 were injured, churches and homes were destroyed, and more than 10,000 people fled the state;

Whereas the Associated Press reported at the time that the violence provided “a window into India's hidden fragility, its sometimes dangerous political climate, and the fierce historical divisions buried in its vast diversity”;

Whereas according to the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), there was no immediate police or state government reaction to the Odisha violence, and religious leaders and aid agencies were denied access to provide care for the victims;

Whereas the National Solidarity Forum, an independent Indian tribunal of former judges, journalists, and political analysts, concluded in 2010 that institutional bias on the part of the Odisha state government, its police, and judicial system, led to a lack of justice and accountability;

Whereas the All India Christian Council, an Indian nongovernmental organization, reported in 2012 that state police documented an estimated 3,500 complaints related to the 2007 to 2008 Odisha violence, but only 827 cases were registered with local or state court structures;

Whereas USCIRF found that the investigative and court structures the Government of India created in response to the communal violence in Gujarat and Odisha failed to end intimidation, harassment, and violence against religious minorities;

Whereas according to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life, India falls into a “high” category for government restrictions on religion and a “very high” category for religious social hostilities;

Whereas nongovernmental organizations and Christian, Muslim, and Sikh communities reported an increase in religiously motivated harassment and violence over the last 2 years, and expect it to increase in advance of the 2014 general elections;

Whereas on August 27, 2013, communal violence erupted in Muzaffarnagar, Uttar Pradesh, India's most populous state, with more than 60 Muslims and Hindus killed, 50,000 people displaced, and thousands remaining in relief camps 2 months later;

Whereas on September 18, 2013, a local court in Muzaffarnagar issued arrest warrants against 16 politicians and community leaders, including Bahujan Samaj Party parliamentarian Qadir Rana and Bharatiya Janata Party Legislative Assembly members Sangeet Som and Bhartendu Singh for inciting the violence;

Whereas several states have “Freedom-of-Religion Laws”, commonly referred to as anticonversion laws, that purport to ban forced conversions but actually are used to prevent certain religious groups from peacefully persuading others to change their religion; and

Whereas USCIRF found in its 2013 Annual Report that “states with these laws have higher incidents of intimidation, harassment and violence against religious minorities, particularly Christians, than states that do not.”: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

(1) recognizes the suffering of all Indian citizens who have been victims of religious violence, including the victims of all faiths from the 1992 Babri Mosque riots, the 2002 Gujarat riots, the 2008 Odisha riots, and violence that is ongoing today;

(2) calls for religious freedom and related human rights to be included in the United States–India Strategic Dialogue, and for these issues to be raised directly with federal and state Indian Government officials when appropriate;

(3) shares the opinion of the United States Department of State and the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) that the Gujarat government has not adequately pursued justice for the victims of the 2002 violence and remains concerned by reports from journalists and human rights groups about the complicity of local officials in the 2002 violence;

(4) commends the United States Government for exercising its authority in 2005 under the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 to deny a United States visa to Narendra Modi on the grounds of religious freedom violations, and encourages it to review the applications of any individuals implicated in religious freedom violations under the same standard;

(5) commends the role of India’s National Human Rights Commission and the Indian Supreme Court, which has led to some convictions in Gujarat riot cases and the arrest of a few high-level leaders in the Gujarati administration;

(6) urges India to increase training on human rights and religious freedom standards and practices for police and the judiciary, particularly in states with a history or likelihood of communal violence;

(7) calls on Gujarat and other Indian states with anti-conversion laws to repeal such legislation and ensure freedom to practice, propagate, and profess ones’ religion as enshrined in the Indian constitution;

(8) urges the Government of India to empower the National Commission on Minorities with enforcement mechanisms, such as the ability to conduct trials and hear appeals;

(9) encourages the establishment of an impartial body of interfaith religious leaders, human rights advocates, legal experts, and government officials to discuss and recommend actions to promote religious tolerance and understanding; and

(10) urges all political parties and religious organizations to publicly oppose the exploitation of religious differences and denounce harassment and violence against religious minorities, especially in the run-up to India’s general elections in 2014.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby GeorgeWelch » 12 Apr 2014 21:34



Another proposed bill that isn't ever going to become law

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-change-in ... 712-2.html

Washington also made it clear that it was not taking any position on the upcoming Lok Sabha elections.

. . . .

Reiterating that the US does not take positions in elections of any country, Psaki argued that Powell meeting Modi is not an example of the US taking a position. "We don't take positions. So no, it wouldn't be a reflection of that. It is just a reflection, as I've stated a few times, of us reaching out to a range of individuals from different backgrounds, different political affiliations, which we do in countries around the world," she said.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Karan Dixit » 13 Apr 2014 03:43

A sound Indian policy towards China can be summed by Kalaripayattu salute. The salute has two parts: the first part conveys to the opponent that the fighter respects him and the fighter wishes to resolve all issues amicably; the second part conveys to the opponent that the fighter is ready to fight if he is forced into it. China is the aggressor despite what its western stooges put out in the media.

As far as the US is concerned, the relationship should have been pretty normal. Neither US nor India claim each other's territory. The main friction between India and US used to be the nuclear issue that seems to have been resolved somewhat. The remaining friction, United States' support for Pakistan if resolved can pave the path for reasonably amicable relations between India and the US.

US policy of arming Pakistan has so far failed to yield favorable results for the US. So it is about time the policy should be reconsidered.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby SaiK » 13 Apr 2014 20:09

matrimc wrote:In telugu there is a proverb "aDusu tokkanEla kAlu kaDaganEla" which means "why to step into mud. Why to wash your feet to clean it afterwards?" It would be better not to start the fire. No need to put it out later. One watch Sunday night football with while eating a pizza with a beer or two on the side and some buffalo wings. Enjoy life moi compadre.

..but then the human experiences dies.. [if you stick with such generic guidelines]. only if a child burns his finger or gets a bruise or two, the learning begins.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 13 Apr 2014 23:16

Why were comedians sent to India? Simple answer when you have JoKer-ry in charge of State!
Seriously,The best way to improve Indo-US relations is for Mr.Modi to send Joker-ry a special edition of Mera Naam Joker! he may understand India better after seeing the flic.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby SaiK » 14 Apr 2014 04:21

aah! the actors would have to play with India's action points then. We have to be policy driven both external and internal to survive and think for a longer distance if the game is all about showing that there is equality in this world that is cross-cutting among nations.. but we have to care about ourselves first.

we have a lot of corrections.. and the same time it is right to correct the world per that. we have a responsibility that is soon will be seen by other nations. we shall see!

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby member_28539 » 14 Apr 2014 15:58

Interesting Bit of news with regards to our top banker...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Raghuram-Rajans-Wars-Rift-among-freemasons-tension-at-home/articleshow/33732922.cms

For the past hundred years, central bankers - men and women with the magical power to create and extinguish money - have been perceived as a club of freemasons. Among them, they even shared a few secrets that they held back from the rulers who put them in office. Disagreements, which couldn't be sorted out over a glass of wine, rarely found their way to the Press. It had been left to authors of financial history to discover subtle clefts years later while rummaging through archival papers and yellowing documents; some differences, had these been ironed out in time, could have cushioned busts and minimized miseries.

Kept in the Dark

So, when a closely tracked central banker, flags off his differences with counterparts elsewhere, possibly for the media to lap it up, it, in a way, marks the start of an era. Last week, when Raghuram Rajan forcefully argued that monetary authorities across continents should consult each other, make a mental note of the turbulence their policies could cause on emerging markets, he made news. First, it came from an economist of the stature of Rajan; second, the RBI governor chose Washington to make his point at a time diplomatic relations between India and US have worsened.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby girish.r » 15 Apr 2014 15:22

Feel this belongs here rather than economy thread (Apology if posted wrongly):

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 771809.cms

US way of arm twisting? :?:

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 16 Apr 2014 06:58

Will US sweeten The deal with 5th G Engine Tech to India For AMCA

India's AEW Tender: Boeing's Next Battleground
AEW aircraft have a 30+ year life span, generate a lot of revenue and are cash cows.
India wants to buy 6 Airborne Early Warning & Control aircraft and the tender will be closed in July. Boeing (BA) is the only manufacturer that has a suitable aircraft 'on the shelve', but Airbus (OTCPK:EADSF) is lurking in the background again. Airbus might enter another market niche where Boeing traditionally is the leader.
India has a yearly defense budget of $46B and holds the 8th position of largest defense budgets in the world. Since a lot of aircraft and helicopters in their inventory are older, a modernization program has started to upgrade existing air assets and acquire new types.This program will probably offer the largest foreign military export opportunities for U.S. and European aerospace companies in this decade.India recently chose the Dassault Aviation (OTC:DUAVF) Rafale as its new Multi Role Combat Aircraft. Most of these will be assembled in India as detailed in Dassault Aviation: Purveyor Of France.Dassault Aviation also acts as a consultant for an Indian designed combat aircraft (HAL Tejas) which is powered by General Electric (GE) engines.Another recent tender is the $8B Indian Navy Helicopter Tender where Lockheed Martin (LMT) and United Technologies Corporation (UTX) are candidates.These tenders only provide a part of the required aircraft and there will be more in the near future. India has permanent tensions with neighbouring countries Pakistan and China and will not delay modernization.Considering the requirement for 6 aircraft it is likely that the 2 additional aircraft will not be ordered. The airframes used were not acquired from the original manufacturer but were part of the contract with ELTA.
In 2012 the Indian Air Force also bought 2 Bombardier (OTCQX:BDRBF) Global 5000 aircraft that have a much longer range than the ERJ145. The Bombardier's are still in Israel being outfitted by ELTA Electronic Industries.There is no further information on the role of these special mission aircraft, but considering the VIP-configuration of the optional Embraers the AEW&C role seems likely.
Bombardier's open architecture uses, enables third parties to build custom equipment in the airframes. As described Bombardier is a popular choice for aerospace manufacturers to use as special mission aircraft.Apart from Russia, China and the 3 Indian AEW&C systems Boeing has a 100% market share for large AEW&C systems.AEW&C aircraft have a long life-time as the specification of "at least 30 years" indicates. If India chooses Airbus, Airbus gets a foothold in the profitable AEW&C market.MRO (maintenance, repair, overhaul) has good margins and provides revenue for a long time. Dominance in a market segment with long contracts and good MRO margins is an important cash cow.From a strategic point of view Boeing should prevent Airbus gaining access to the AEW market.

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India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Peregrine » 16 Apr 2014 15:14

Detrimental for US to look to punish India: think tank

It would be detrimental for the US to look to punish India for policymaking decisions at a time when the world's largest democracy is electing a new government, a top American think-tank has said.

"Judging by the anti-India sentiments prevalent inside the Beltway, the US is on the verge of making a distinctly bad first impression to the new Indian government," Richard Rossow, who holds the Wadhwani Chair in US-India Policy Studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), said.

"Policymakers in some instances have less flexibility in initiating reviews or guiding outcomes. But in instances where we have flexibility, it is not in the US interest to continue looking to punish India for policymaking decisions at a time those policymakers are leaving office," he cautioned the Obama Administration.

Rossow called on the US to be prepared to engage with India on some "forward-looking" economic issues, so that the bilateral agenda is not completely saturated with complaints.

Irrespective of who wins, there will be a dramatic leadership change, he said.

"Clearly with a BJP-led coalition, we will deal with an entirely new set of leaders. Even if Congress manages to surprise pundits and pull out a win, Prime Minister (Manmohan) Singh and Finance Minister (P) Chidambaram will not figure in the Cabinet. Economic policymaking will be left to a new team, and new areas for bilateral economic cooperation will surely emerge," he noted.

Observing that there are at least half a dozen trade disputes between the two countries, including Special 301, WTO Dispute Settlement on India's Solar Mission and review of India's trade, investment and industrial policies, Rossow said other non-trade moves by the US are also lumped in with these actions by some Indian analysts, however unfairly.

These "non-trade" actions include the Federal Aviation Administration's downgrade of India's airline regulator and the Food and Drug Administration's ban on imports of generic pharmaceuticals from a few Indian producers.

While these are linked to India's non-compliance with specific targets instead of reactions to trade policies in India, they have also eroded the US' image in India to some extent, Rossow said.

"While there is ample reason for each of these trade enforcement actions to be seriously considered, we must also recognise that negative reports and potential sanctions against India just after the election will paint the next government's perceptions about the United States," he said.

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Postby vera_k » 17 Apr 2014 09:26

Move to change gadget import norms

India's proposed new standards for imported electronic gadgets such as tablets and mobiles have irked the US, which has termed them non-tariff barriers in a communication to the department of commerce

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Postby Paul » 19 Apr 2014 14:39

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140419/j ... 1JFTFWSzu8

Urgent drill to counter US trade threat

New Delhi, April 18: India is getting ready for the mother of all trade spats — a confrontation with the US, which accounts for trade worth $70 billion annually, over pharma and telecom.

An urgent meeting has been convened next week by cabinet secretary Ajit Seth over Washington’s threat to punish India for violation of drug patents and alleged discrimination against Western telecom equipment.

In drugs, American multinationals have been lobbying their government to impose sanctions against India by labelling it Priority Foreign Country, a tag attached to the worst offenders of patent rights.

US and European telecom equipment manufacturers, on the other hand, are up in arms against India’s local sourcing and testing norms, which they fear could lead to more domestic devices replacing foreign products.

Seth’s meeting is likely to be attended by the foreign, commerce and industry secretaries, said officials.

Cheap drug debate

US actions against Indian pharma firms have already dented growth in one of the fastest growing export industries.

In the last financial year, pharma exports, till now growing 15 per cent annually, rose just 3 per cent in the first ten months.

In 2012-13, India had earned $14.6 billion from pharma exports.

The US Chamber of Commerce, backed by the US Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, had in February called on Washington to label India as Priority Foreign Country.

The only country on the list is Ukraine. The classification will result in sanctions on Indian exports.

Indian pharma industry believes the real cause of the US ire is New Delhi’s move to let local players manufacture cheap generic versions of patented life-saving drugs.

Tiff over sourcing

The US has also been opposing India’s local sourcing norms for telecom equipment. Besides insisting on telecom gear to be tested locally for security reasons, India wants gadgets such as Apple iPads, mobiles, printers, scanners and computers to adhere to the Bureau of Indian Standards.

US and European equipment companies were particularly peeved by the rules that made it mandatory for all foreign telecom and power gear to be tested for possible bugs.

They had pointed out to the Indian authorities about the possibility of Chinese equipment being bugged — yet the rap fell on all foreign companies.

Besides, the testing norms were also perceived as non-trade barriers imposed by New Delhi.

Indian officials countered that the accusations made against Chinese manufacturers may also be true of American and European companies.

As an example, the officials referred to the recent Malaysian Airlines plane that met with a tragic end. They said even after the plane went off the radar, its flight path could be traced by Boeing and Rolls Royce, which supplied the engine, because of the markers on the aircraft that allowed them to monitor the location of the aircraft.

“It proves what we always suspected… gear made by any foreign manufacturer can be bugged and that highlights the need for us to devise ways of testing equipment brought into vital sectors which have security concerns,” the officials said.
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Postby UlanBatori » 19 Apr 2014 16:48

Indian officials countered that the accusations made against Chinese manufacturers may also be true of American and European companies.

As an example, the officials referred to the recent Malaysian Airlines plane that met with a tragic end. They said even after the plane went off the radar, its flight path could be traced by Boeing and Rolls Royce, which supplied the engine, because of the markers on the aircraft that allowed them to monitor the location of the aircraft.

“It proves what we always suspected… gear made by any foreign manufacturer can be bugged and that highlights the need for us to devise ways of testing equipment brought into vital sectors which have security concerns,” the officials said.


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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby devesh » 19 Apr 2014 17:26

Looks like USA is going on a war footing as the leadership changes in India. This is their vengeance, for India daring to elect someone like Modi. At any rate US no longer acts like the friend it claims to be.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby devesh » 19 Apr 2014 17:28

All these are tactics to put Modi on defensive. Seems like a concerted plan to drive a wedge between BJP and the corporate/business sector.

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby chetak » 19 Apr 2014 17:51

devesh wrote:All these are tactics to put Modi on defensive. Seems like a concerted plan to drive a wedge between BJP and the corporate/business sector.



seems like SD continues to get the wrong inputs. Their fingers are itching to do some cavity searches again

These are policies of the termite gang.....

On pharmaceuticals, India seem to have the support of unwashed international lefties and lots of other loonies

on telephone equipment and solar cells we can hold our own as we are right to take any steps we need for national security

france will break ranks to ensure sales their rafale and keep out the amrekis

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby schinnas » 19 Apr 2014 18:00

I found the foreign policy section of BJP manifesto to be interesting. A clear call for forming new alliances with multiple world powers in an India first policy. Both sides have some levers they can use especially if India gets a strong leader like NaMo with majority. It will be interesting to see who blinks first. I am yet to see NaMo blink. The previous such PM was IG and Uncle didn't like her for that reason. History seems to repeat itself. I can only hope that US elects an India friendly President like Kennedy in 2016. I believe Kennedy was genuinely interested in and helped India during peak of cold war despite spurned by Nehru earlier. Despite his stated rhetoric to form a strategic partnership, Obama might end up becoming the most anti-India president after Nixon. Not clear if it is due to incompetence (of both MMS and Obama) or lack of sincerity on Uncle's side?

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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Postby Bade » 19 Apr 2014 19:32

If the Indian IT industry gets a tight slap from the US as part of the trade war, then it might turn out to be better for India's long term interest to do some real innovation in this sector. Too much easy money so far the past two decades have spoiled the brats. I am usually for greater engagement and collaboration with the outside world, but there should be periods of going it alone for innovation to happen interspersed with collaboration.


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