Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Prem » 29 Aug 2011 22:45

Photos: Mystery Drone Crash in Pakistan
http://defensetech.org/2011/08/29/myste ... -pakistan/
What on Earth is this little guy? You’re looking at pictures of what’s apparently a small U.S. spy drone that crashed last week in Pakistan. The little drone apparently took off from a U.S. base at Qarar Ga airbase near Spinboldak in Kandahar and went down about 300 meters inside Pakistan near a Pakistani Frontier Corps base, according to press reports.Anyone recognize the micro-UAV that’s apparently equipped with two cameras (though the picture above shows what could be four sensor apertures)? I’ve asked several analysts, including Teal Group UAV expert Phil Finnegan, to ID the bird and no one seems to know what it is.


( Check the Pictures)

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Postby Prem » 29 Aug 2011 22:48

Orr Abhi Abbh orr Abhi/Islamist dozes aur Abhhi/ Purity abhi nahi ayye/qital Munafiq kar Bhai

Root cause of ills is deviation from Islam: JI," from The Nation (Pakistan), August 29 (thanks to Twostellas):
LAHORE – Ameer Jamaat-e-Islami Syed Munawar Hasan has said that the root cause of all the ills confronting the country is deviation from Islam, the corrupt rulers and the promotion of evils in the society. Pakistan had been achieved for building up a model Islamic state for the entire world but the rulers pushed the country in the opposite direction and the whole nation was facing the consequences, he said while addressing the congregation at the Mansoora mosque following the completion of the Holy Quran in Taraweeh.Syed Munawar Hasan said that Islam is a complete code of life but the Muslims today are facing disgrace and ignominy due to drifting away from the Quran

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Amber G. » 29 Aug 2011 23:22

Rajdeep wrote:Al Qaida's No. 2 Killed In Pakistan

http://www.wtae.com/news/28998775/detail.html?treets=pit&tid=2658676124813&tml=pit_natlbreak&tmi=pit_natlbreak_1_12540108272011&ts=H

Al Qaida’s second in command has been killed in Pakistan, the Associated Press reported.

A senior administration official told the AP about the death of Atiyah Abd al-Rahman, according to the organization's report.

Wasn't he killed last year?
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5655&p=959127&hilit=atiyah#p959127

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Tamang » 29 Aug 2011 23:24

Is Urdu a warlike word? By Khaled Ahmed

The Mongol empire was big and lasted because it was tolerant of religions, and its warriors loved marrying outside their religion. In consequence, the Mongol DNA is the largest pool of DNA in the world today.

Today, when a child is born with defects he is called mongoloid. But mongrel — mixed breed — does not refer to Mongols as it comes from the root ‘mng’ (mix) found in such English words as ‘among’ and ‘mingle’.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Dipanker » 30 Aug 2011 01:29



From the same article for the benefit of our Paki lurkers:

"What Dr Rahman says is right. Urdu has little to do with the army and is structurally an offshoot of Sanskrit."

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Postby Venkarl » 30 Aug 2011 02:17

Prem wrote:Photos: Mystery Drone Crash in Pakistan
http://defensetech.org/2011/08/29/myste ... -pakistan/
What on Earth is this little guy? You’re looking at pictures of what’s apparently a small U.S. spy drone that crashed last week in Pakistan. The little drone apparently took off from a U.S. base at Qarar Ga airbase near Spinboldak in Kandahar and went down about 300 meters inside Pakistan near a Pakistani Frontier Corps base, according to press reports.Anyone recognize the micro-UAV that’s apparently equipped with two cameras (though the picture above shows what could be four sensor apertures)? I’ve asked several analysts, including Teal Group UAV expert Phil Finnegan, to ID the bird and no one seems to know what it is.


( Check the Pictures)


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Prem » 30 Aug 2011 03:09

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\08\30\story_30-8-2011_pg3_6
The children of Pakistan— I —Kahar Zalmay

Newspapers and TV channels regularly report the blowing up of schools and entertainment centres but they lack in the reporting of the emotional trauma children are going through and what needs to be done, not only for their emotional wellbeing but to immunise them from drifting into fundamentalism where they are used as easy tools to fight in the ‘path of God’.
. He enlightened me with three main findings: first, 95 percent of the students came from government and private schools, second, the boys were indoctrinated by teachers of Islamic Studies and Arabic Studies in these schools and third, in all cases a father figure was missing. On whether the programme was working for these children, Dr Farooq Khan said that the main hurdle in achieving its objectives came from the distrust of these children for their teachers as they had been so deeply brainwashed at their former seminaries, which made them lose their innocence and humanity. Dr Farooq was indeed faced with absurd questions by his students, like whether he was sent by the Jews and Hindus to hatch their plot against the warriors of Islam. The good doctor sahib said, with the typical smile that always adorned his face, “Bringing them back to their life and childhood was not easy. There were things, which would look so trivial to us but were too big for them to overcome.” He further recalled how one student told him that he did not want the beard, which he had grown during his militant training, but was having difficulty in going back to his people with a shaven face.
What made you suffer so bad that you wanted to take your and other’s lives?” I asked him. He had no clear answer to that, except that he found nothing good about life where there was no pleasure and entertainment, where cultures were torturous and the future was devoid of any hope. It was this defeatism that his militant trainers exploited, as according to him, he was told that since he was willing to die, why not do it for God and earn a place in heaven? When I asked what had changed his mind about suicide bombing, he said that it was during his stay at a camp on the Pak-Afghan border area where he noticed that the people who were running that camp were doing everything that was not Islamic, like smoking hash and abusing the young suicide bombers physically and emotionally. “I thought if this is what they are doing in the name of God, I am out and thus I availed the first opportunity to flee.”
His story substantiates my assessment that it is not just the religious indoctrination that is pushing children towards militancy but the very households in which they grow up.

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Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 04:23

Rangudu wrote:SSridhar,

Marvi Sirmed has a daughter?

Rangudu, she said so in her article.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Airavat » 30 Aug 2011 06:28

Abandon the name "Urdu"

Nowadays we use the term ‘Urdu’ for Persianised Khari Boli written in the Perso-Arabic script and Hindi for Sanskritised Khari Boli written in the Devanagari script. But when we give the false history of the name of ‘Urdu’ from Turkish and call it a military language, we are not only just plain wrong, but also divisive and anti-peace. Instead, let us teach our children that, despite this name, Urdu does not have a military origin. In India, as Shamsur Rahman Faruqi, one of the greatest scholars of Urdu literature, points out, this myth creates a feeling of guilt in the Urdu-speaking community. That is why Syed Sulaiman Nadvi wanted the name Urdu, which is the latest name for this language, to be abandoned even in 1939 when he wanted the Muslims and Hindus to unite to obtain freedom.

But the name cannot be abandoned now. It is invested with the emotion and love of about two centuries. What is possible is that people should be told that the ancestor of present-day Urdu and Hindi was one and it had many names. That, for at least five hundred years, this ancestor was mostly called ‘Hindi’— even when it was also called Dehlavi, Gujri, Dakhini, Rekhta etc — and that the Persianisation and Sanskritisation of it occurred during the 18th and the 19th centuries respectively.

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Postby ramana » 30 Aug 2011 08:24

I got so much hate mail when I proposed that Urdu should be Devnagarised about four years ago! Now even Pakis want to get rid of the name.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Prem » 30 Aug 2011 08:34

ramana wrote:I got so much hate mail when I proposed that Urdu should be Devnagarised about four years ago! Now even Pakis want to get rid of the name.


BRF started mentioning Poaq demographics about 1 year ago and now every Poaqroach have approached the issue assuming mental aura . Ibtdaii Poa-kush hoa gya hai abb,agge agge dekhiyo poora hota hai kubb.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby shravan » 30 Aug 2011 10:14

Accidental blast kills 2 saboteurs in Karachi

KARACHI: At least two people were killed in a blast on Abul Hasan Isfahani Road early Tuesday morning. According to police sources, both the deceased were terrorists and were transporting explosives when they accidentally went off killing both of them on the spot.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby menon s » 30 Aug 2011 11:29

Voices From The Past.
(This article appeared in the 1938 edition of the Aligarh University Magazine which had a foreword by the Quaid e Azam.)
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 5328&Cat=9
Muslims of India are committing the same mistake that they committed in Spain. You are illiterate, disunited, needy and powerless. Alas, there are unmistakable indications of approaching disaster. You will be torn to pieces like the Spanish Muslims who in sheer hopelessness prayed to God that He should come to their aid.


you guys are still clueless since 1938!

Since India is demanding Home Rule she, like other countries, will get it some day. This means that Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and others will rule the country jointly. In case a civil war ensues, the country will be ruled by the victor, either by Hindus or by you. In that case look at your political significance.


Your fellow countrymen exclusively control every government service but you work mostly as chawkidars and menials. You are losing your traditional leadership in trade. Go to Amritsar and you will find that there are only 10 or 12 Muslim cloth-merchants in the famous trade centre. In the whole jewelry bazaar of Lahore you will not see a single Muslim jeweler. Similarly in Benaras, Dehli, Moradabad, Jammu and even in this Aligarh, trade is monopolised by non-Muslims.


A poor Hindu eats parched bread and wears homespun khadi and thus saves something to educate his son. His son aspires to be a collector or a moneyed man, but a Muslim is content to have a menial or a labourer. Thus the eyes of the descendents of former rulers are cast on the earth while those of the once ruled are on the sky. The son of a Hindu patwari becomes a tehsildar or a vakil but the descendent of a great Musalman is seen sauntering in court-yards to procure a drink by giving false evidence in the witness-box.


What happened to the progeny of all those Aligarh Alumini who scooted to Karachi!?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby JE Menon » 30 Aug 2011 12:04

SSridhar wrote:From Such Gup of TFT
A high official of the Obama administration held forth at a select gathering in Washington DC recently about the burgeoning relationship between the US and India. He laid out the huge canvas of cooperation, military as well as civilian, and the massive amounts of money involved in Indo-US business exchanges, defence deals and technology transfers. One example was a workshop undertaken by US Air Force scientists in India recently which "will end up being the largest bilateral technological cooperation in the world". The high official also spoke about the potential scope of the Indo-US relationship. "When you see a vacant lot in prime real estate in an American city, you think it remains empty for a long time. Actually, it's not empty. A lot of work is going on behind the scenes. When building commences, you suddenly notice that a huge skyscraper goes up in no time at all. That's precisely because of the painstaking and meticulous work that was done for a long time on building a secure and durable foundation". That's what the Indo-US relationship will look like before long, he predicted. At the end of the talk, as the participants milled around, one official let slip that the Indo-US relationship is of "great concern" to Pakistan's military leadership. And that they often raise it as an issue in meetings with their American counterparts. The official said the Pakistan military has a "litany of emotional complaints". Hum ko un say wafa ki hai umeed jo naheen jantay wafa kya hai? Cynics say this could apply equally to both sides.


Although the below link was posted beore, I don't think people have realised that this is the "select gathering" referred to in Such Gup. The key point above is made in the 24th minute. The whole thing is well worth watching

http://newamerica.net/events/2011/building_foundations

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Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 13:32

JE Menon wrote:
SSridhar wrote:From Such Gup of TFT
A high official of the Obama administration held forth at a select gathering in Washington DC recently about the burgeoning relationship between the US and India.


Although the below link was posted beore, I don't think people have realised that this is the "select gathering" referred to in Such Gup. The key point above is made in the 24th minute. The whole thing is well worth watching

http://newamerica.net/events/2011/building_foundations

JEM, I had missed this link earler and tks for posting it again. Yes, the speech by Bob Scherr is absolutely worth watching. It brings out the multi-dimensional cooperation between the two nations. Bob kept referring to 'international norms of behaviour' and the convergence between the US & India on this. It was obvious who was being referred to. The Indian journalists keep asking about how the US was balancing TSP vis-a-vis India. Such questions must be totally avoided and only display a lack of self-confidence in ourselves. Any more discussion on this may have to go to India-US thread.

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Postby menon s » 30 Aug 2011 13:32

US support for Pakistan dam could help stem flow of bad blood.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/au ... am-funding

"Getting involved in a long-term project like this is very compelling for us," said a senior US official. "This is the project we're spending our time assessing.
"This would demonstrate that Pakistan is the kind of country where you can do large, complex infrastructure projects. It's not all flood relief and sacks of flour."
"US aid is neither visible nor tangible," said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. "Unless the people of Pakistan can identify large, visible projects that make a difference to people's lives, the US is not going to get the kind of appreciation that it believes it deserves."


The Gora as i said, has no brains left. All that vain glorious capitalism, has made him a decadent old fool! And he is now kicked around by a pompous fool called Pakistan! And that too Daimer Basha is in POK! India has as usual kept quiet! WOW. Pakistan needs 12bn dollar funding now!

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Postby menon s » 30 Aug 2011 14:05

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The day the poor Pakistani learns about promises made by Altaf Bhai to our Kauboys? May that day never come.

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Postby vishvak » 30 Aug 2011 14:12

menon s wrote:US support for Pakistan dam could help stem flow of bad blood.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/au ... am-funding

"Getting involved in a long-term project like this is very compelling for us," said a senior US official. "This is the project we're spending our time assessing.
"This would demonstrate that Pakistan is the kind of country where you can do large, complex infrastructure projects. It's not all flood relief and sacks of flour."
"US aid is neither visible nor tangible," said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. "Unless the people of Pakistan can identify large, visible projects that make a difference to people's lives, the US is not going to get the kind of appreciation that it believes it deserves."


The Gora as i said, has no brains left. All that vain glorious capitalism, has made him a decadent old fool! And he is now kicked around by a pompous fool called Pakistan! And that too Daimer Basha is in POK! India has as usual kept quiet! WOW. Pakistan needs 12bn dollar funding now!


From the same report:
Daimer Bhasha would take around eight years to build. Pakistani authorities plan to shortlist contractors later this year.

The Indian embassy in Islamabad pointed to a statement issued by the Indian government in 2006, after the project was first proposed, which insisted that the dam was "in territory that is part of the State of Jammu and Kashmir, which is an integral part of India by virtue of its accession to it in 1947".


So USA is aiding pakis in building a dam in an Indian region. The report could have been titled ..could help stem flow of bad blood (against pakis only).

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby RajeshA » 30 Aug 2011 14:18

So is Altaf Hussain still available on that number?

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Postby JE Menon » 30 Aug 2011 14:23

>>The Indian journalists keep asking about how the US was balancing TSP vis-a-vis India. Such questions must be totally avoided and only display a lack of self-confidence in ourselves.

Not to mention utterly incompetent. I don't know how these people are hired and then paid!!!

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Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 15:08

menon s wrote:Voices From The Past.
(This article appeared in the 1938 edition of the Aligarh University Magazine which had a foreword by the Quaid e Azam.)
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 5328&Cat=9
A poor Hindu eats parched bread and wears homespun khadi and thus saves something to educate his son. His son aspires to be a collector or a moneyed man, but a Muslim is content to have a menial or a labourer. {sic}Thus the eyes of the descendents of former rulers are cast on the earth while those of the once ruled are on the sky. The son of a Hindu patwari becomes a tehsildar or a vakil but the descendent of a great Musalman is seen sauntering in court-yards to procure a drink by giving false evidence in the witness-box.

What happened to the progeny of all those Aligarh Alumini who scooted to Karachi!?

The Mussalman was doing two wrong things, lying and drinking. Perhaps only one because Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, mard-al-momineen, assured the US President that a Muslim was permitted to lie for a good cause.

Anyway, this also nails the lie that the Mussalman were denied opportunities. This article clearly lays the blame on the Mussalman themselves. It also proves that the Hindus suffered equally from poverty but laid great stress on education.

I have the following set of statistics for the various Provinces

  • Hindus and Muslims by Province & Population: their share of execuive and judicial services
(Source: Report of the Public Service Commission, 1912, Vol i)

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Province                              Hindus                                  Muslims
                           Pop.     Exec.  Judi.   Total         Pop.    Exec.   Judi.   Total

United Provinces          85.32     50.7   73.9     60.1        14.11    41.3    24.8     34.7

Bihar & Orissa            82.4      54.3   76.1     60.2        10.63    22.6    22.7     22.7

Punjab                    33.46     38.2   37.5     38.0        54.85    38.2    39.6     38.6

Central Provinces         82.62     53.0   88.2     64.9         4.06    28.0     3.9     19.9

Madras                    88.9      73.5   91.3     82.9         6.67    11.8     1.3     6.3

Bombay                    76.02     81.3    89.1    84.4         20.32    4.9     1.7     3.7

Bengal                    44.80     72.9    97.5    84.7         52.74   18.1     2.5    10.6

Assam                     35.55     62.7    91.7    67.6         50.25   18.6     8.3    16.9


One can clearly see that in the two major provinces of the Yamuna-Gangetic belt namely UP & Bihar, the Muslims were having a representation far above their population percentages, twice at a minimum and even reaching thrice in one instance even though their population was significantly smaller almost one-seventh of that of the Hindus. Thus, even after five decades after the elimination of the Mughal empire, the Muslims held important and powerful posts in disproportionately large numbers in the UP-Bihar areas. In the Punjab, they held almost equal number of posts as the Hindus, though their population was larger (not significantly though). In Central Provinces too, they were very well represented. They were poorly represented in Bengal. Thus, among the provinces that contributed heavily and most significantly to the creation of Pakistan (except Bengal), the Muslims should have had no real grievances of being swamped by the Hindus.

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 30 Aug 2011 15:17

SSridhar wrote: They were poorly represented in Bengal.


In this book, the author says that Islamic consciousness arose due to Permanent land Settlement. The author claims that the rules favored Hindus. The book is so boring that I stopped reading after 50 pages. :oops:

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Postby gakakkad » 30 Aug 2011 15:52

is this altaf chap still alive ? How?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby krishnan » 30 Aug 2011 15:59

He is in india. :lol: just kidding , our office boy name is altaf husain

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby anupmisra » 30 Aug 2011 16:12

SSridhar wrote:The Indian journalists keep asking about how the US was balancing TSP vis-a-vis India. Such questions must be totally avoided and only display a lack of self-confidence in ourselves. Any more discussion on this may have to go to India-US thread.


I said this many moons ago on this forum and I will say it again (I was lambasted by the knee-jerk-nationalists on this): The Indian journalists who are posted here in the US are not worth the subsidized airline tickets they bought to get here. Forget grasp of current affairs, most of them fumble with questions and ramble on without clarity. I have met quite a few in social settings in NYC. BTW, for you paki lurkers, Paki journalists are just as bad, if not worse.

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Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 16:22

Regarding Altaf bhai's offer of an agreement with Tony Blair, one cannot presume the authenticity of the letter. In any case, the 'appeal' made to external powers to get internal concessions is appalling but not surprising for a Pakistani politician.

This has been so since the very early days of Pakistan. In c. 1953, the then dismissed Prime Minister Khwaja Nizamuddin tried to appeal to the Queen of England praying for his re-instatement since Pakistan was technically a Dominon of the United Kingdom and she was its titular head. After that, the Americans, the British and the Saudis have simply interfered in the running of the country to their heart's content. Comic things happened when Nawaz Sharif decided to return to Lahore in violation of his T&C of 'exile' and the Saudi & Lebanese gentlemen of King Abdullah's representatives boarded the plane on the tarmac and threatened Nawaz Sharif etc.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby anupmisra » 30 Aug 2011 16:24

menon s wrote:The Gora as i said, has no brains left. All that vain glorious capitalism, has made him a decadent old fool!


Really, Menon? That bile above is uncalled for and borders on racism.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Aug 2011 16:41

http://criticalppp.com/archives/56474
Another Pakistani bails on Jinnah.

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Postby SSridhar » 30 Aug 2011 17:16

A_Gupta wrote:http://criticalppp.com/archives/56474
Another Pakistani bails on Jinnah.

As one of the Hindu leaders said recently in Pakistan, Jinnah never did anything for the minorities except those two sentences he spoke on August 11, 1947. Nothing before and nothing after. Indeed, his action of asking Shabbir Usmani, the rabid Deobandi Islamist, to hoist the flag in Karachi on August 14 pandered to fundamentalist sentiments. How did Jinnah expect to turn on and off the fundamentalist and extremist sentiments ? The genie could never be put back into the bottle and he knew it. He himself advised Gandhiji in 1920 against the Khilafat Movement because of this fear. So, his vision of a secular Pakistan on August 11 was a fraud and was simply meant to hoodwink the powers that be.

It is gladdening to see a regular appearance of articles from Pakistanis calling their Quaid's bluff and mistakes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby menon s » 30 Aug 2011 17:31

Most Pakistanis who can think and have some brains have already started to understand the futility of 2 Nation theory, at least the professionals one meets in DBX. But the most visible change that happens to them, once they understand the failure of their nation, is that they become atheists too! I do not know how that connection happens.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Gus » 30 Aug 2011 17:40

SSridhar wrote:It is gladdening to see a regular appearance of articles from Pakistanis calling their Quaid's bluff and mistakes.


and right on cue..a comment there..
A Saeed says:
August 30, 2011 at 7:43 am

Jinnah believed in capitalistic Pakistan firmly allied to US?This is a completely erroneous and a distorted conception about him.Muslims were crying under Hindu majority’s domination and tyrrany.Shatered and broken into different groups as they (muslims) were it was a miracle that Jinnah was able create Pakistan.What ability they had you have witnessed in last 64 years.After Allah we are grateful to Jinnah.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby archan » 30 Aug 2011 18:04

A. Saeed says
After Allah we are grateful to Jinnah.

Oh Saeed sir, trust us when we say even we are grateful to Jinnah!! imagine this bunch of Qadri-kissers being Indians. :roll:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby subodh » 30 Aug 2011 18:31

menon s wrote:Most Pakistanis who can think and have some brains....


You lost me right there.

I would put this awekening in the Rapes down to takkiya, and a realisation that they can charm their way with this new found fake wisdom, into the hearts of the Indian WKKs - and get a pass out of their own hell hole - so they can come and rule the hindoo, as is their right anyways.

All these worthies, down to that Marvi Simrud lady, need to stew right there, in that lovely cesspool, as it gets purer and purer, with the most special brand of gazhi Islam - they deserve nothing less.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby dada » 30 Aug 2011 19:06

For the Muslim Elite of the Subcontinent, Pakistan was a Political-Social Experiment based on a Hypothesis that was "genuinely" believed(or more precisely made to believe) to be true by the Muslim masses. It Took 6 Decades (more than 3 generations) to realise that the very conceptual foundation was flawed. The flaw was that the concept was too narrow & limited to be used as a tool to build a nation .

carving out a nation by splitting india & building a nation (out of a moth eaten pieces) required different concepts. Pakistan did not began even the second process in August 1947.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby RajeshA » 30 Aug 2011 19:19

subodh wrote:All these worthies, down to that Marvi Simrud lady, need to stew right there, in that lovely cesspool, as it gets purer and purer, with the most special brand of gazhi Islam - they deserve nothing less.

Let our hate of Pakis, not numb our minds to ensuring Pakistan's doom. One also needs to ask what then, when everything is stewed!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby vishvak » 30 Aug 2011 19:44

From Ethnic killings spark apocalyptic doom in Karachi:

It has become a free-for-all.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby RajeshA » 30 Aug 2011 19:49

Published on Aug 31, 2011
By Hamza Ameer
New leader plans attacks on Pakistan: Asia Times
Al-Qaeda-linked 313 Brigade has appointed a new chief, Shah Sahib, following the death of its commander Ilyas Kashmiri in a United States-operated drone attack in the South Waziristan tribal area of Pakistan in June.

The decision came after weeks of consultation among members of various militant organizations active in the tribal regions on the border with Afghanistan.

Shah Sahib, a well-known Taliban commander, has been selected to initiate major alliances and finalize consultations ahead of Eid - the end of the holy Muslim fasting month of Ramadan - to launch fresh assaults against the Pakistan security forces.

South Waziristan-based journalist Din Mohammed Wazir confirmed the appointment. "Recently, I spoke to one of the leading members of 313 Brigade of the Harakat-ul-Jihad-e-Islami in Wana (the largest town of South Waziristan) and he confirmed the appointment of Shah Sahib as the new leader, but added that his nomination was only for a certain period of time, and then the central shura (council) will choose a permanent amir (leader).

Mr. Shah Sahib, please report to the crease!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby SBajwa » 30 Aug 2011 19:58

Ramanna Sir!

Actually Before Ghalib made persianised Urdu a fashion there was another Indian poet named Meer Taqi Meer whose poems were totally in Khari boli. Like

Bol ik taare jhun jhun jhun jhun
sabki aankhen mere taere
Sabki boli meri boli, sabki holi meri holi sabka jeewan mera jeewan

Even Ghalib says this about Meer

Rekhta Ke tumhi ustaad nahi ho Ghalib
Kehte Hain Agle Zamane Main Koi MEER Bhi Tha

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Hiten » 30 Aug 2011 20:17

the lady Maravi Sirmed does an actual daughter. Shared pictures of the husband along with her daughter while crossing into India via Wagah. Also has/had YouTube accn with videos along with that of that her daughter speaking of peace et al with occasional prompting from her. Also has, what then looked like a highly Wajib-Ul-Qatl idol at home. A few years back when i first saw those videos, i mistook her for a religious minority.

Hope she has concrete backup plan, if & when sh1t hits the ceiling. Must be offered asylum in some Scandinavian country, if it comes to that

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby vijayk » 30 Aug 2011 20:25

RajeshA wrote:Published on Aug 31, 2011
By Hamza Ameer
New leader plans attacks on Pakistan: Asia Times
Al-Qaeda-linked 313 Brigade has appointed a new chief, Shah Sahib, following the death of its commander Ilyas Kashmiri in a United States-operated drone attack in the South Waziristan tribal area of Pakistan in June.

The decision came after weeks of consultation among members of various militant organizations active in the tribal regions on the border with Afghanistan.

Shah Sahib, a well-known Taliban commander, has been selected to initiate major alliances and finalize consultations ahead of Eid - the end of the holy Muslim fasting month of Ramadan - to launch fresh assaults against the Pakistan security forces.

South Waziristan-based journalist Din Mohammed Wazir confirmed the appointment. "Recently, I spoke to one of the leading members of 313 Brigade of the Harakat-ul-Jihad-e-Islami in Wana (the largest town of South Waziristan) and he confirmed the appointment of Shah Sahib as the new leader, but added that his nomination was only for a certain period of time, and then the central shura (council) will choose a permanent amir (leader).

Mr. Shah Sahib, please report to the crease!


Chinese leader for foreign militants
Abdul Shakoor Turkistani, a Chinese Uyghur, has taken control of overall command of foreign militants in Pakistan's tribal region. He has always been on good terms with the major Pakistani Taliban outfits.

Turkistani is also believed to have played a key role in the formation of the Itehad-e-Shur-e-Mujahideen in 2009 (Union of the Consultative Council of Mujahideen) comprising militant groups focused on fighting in Afghanistan. Also a part of this was the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistan Taliban - TTP).

Turkistani worked under Abdul Haq al-Turkistani, a former leader of the Eastern Turkistani Islamic Party, and the late Qari Tahir Yuldashev of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. He belongs to the Chinese Uyghur, a banned group actively operating in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in China. He is known for promoting "Islamic extremism".

The Chinese government recently deployed at least 200,000 security personnel to pursue Uyghurs in the region following a clash between Uyghurs and the Chinese security personnel that left at least 23 Uyghurs dead in Hotan city last month.

The three major factions of the TTP, meanwhile, are strengthening their alliance. The aim is to launch joint operations in Afghanistan against coalition forces, to hunt down spotters for drones and to adopt a collective strategy to confront any military adventures by the Pakistani government in restive North Waziristan.

Well-placed Taliban sources told Asia Times Online that the decision was made at a recent meeting of members of the TTP and factions led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Mullah Nazeer in a remote area on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The sources added that the meeting was overseen by the powerful Haqqani network and al-Qaeda.

Lashkar-e-Khorasan (Army of the Khorasan) has been specifically formed to monitor drone spies in South Waziristan and North Waziristan. It consists of six members from each group and operates under the aegis of Bahadur.

The group has so far hunted down dozens of local and Afghan tribesmen allegedly spying on militants for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-operated drones.


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