Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Mathai » 30 Aug 2011 20:41

Marvi Sirmed's husband is Manzoor Sirmed, General Secretary of Pakistan chapter of SAFMA. Their daughter is a school student.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby KJo » 30 Aug 2011 21:46

Why are we discussing Marvi's daughter? :roll:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Ravi Karumanchiri » 30 Aug 2011 22:06

Recording reveals Afghan attack plot
Intercepted calls show Taliban and Pakistan-based group planning June attack on Kabul hotel.

Last Modified: 30 Aug 2011 13:35

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia ... 58600.html

Afghan security officials have released a recording of intercepted phone calls between a Pakistan-based group and Taliban fighters planning an attack on a Kabul hotel.

Twenty-one people died when eight suicide bombers stormed the hotel in a nighttime raid in late June.

Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith reports from Kabul.

(Video report with English-translated snippets of intercepted mobile phone conversation during the attack.)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby vijayk » 30 Aug 2011 22:45

Dilbu wrote:I have been following Marvi Sirmed on Twitter for a while now. She is indeed a rare voice of sanity among TSPian twitterati & RAPE. Hope she remains safe.


http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamD ... cleID=5112
26 Jul 2011, NewAgeIslam.Com
Did Salman Taseer hate India? His son Aatish Taseer’s comments elicit responses from Shashi Tharoor and Marvi Sirmed
By Marvi Sirmed

The proclamation that Taseer hated India is one of the biggest crimes against the truth. Based on many discussions with the late governor, I can say it with full responsibility that the claim is wrong and must be based on some personal considerations, certainly not factual. Many close friends of late Taseer would bear me out on this. This very paper, owned by him, was inaugurated among many Indian guests, including Arundhati Roy.


Our Dhoti Madam is very popular among Islamic terrorists, ISI retired generals and Pakistani so-called Liberals... Wonder what she likes in all three of them? anti-Indianism?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby BijuShet » 30 Aug 2011 23:27

From Tribune article (posting in full).
Musharraf govt had al Qaeda sympathisers on key posts
By PPI - Published: August 30, 2011
Cheney claims that his new book in time will make "heads explode". PHOTO: AFP
WASHINGTON DC: Former United States Vice President, Dick Cheney has alleged that ’Al Qaeda sympathisers occupied key slots in former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf’s government, and Osama bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad suggests the terror group enjoyed significant sympathy,’ in his memoirs releasing on Tuesday.

Cheney, who was deputy to George W Bush between 2001 and 2009, says in the period after 9/11 US-Pak ties were bedevilled by a lot of problems before things started changing around 2004. “Pakistan was on the edge. There were major problems in US-Pakistan relations. President Pervez Musharraf’s hold on power was tenuous and he had al Qaeda sympathisers in key slots in his government,” Cheney further alleges in his memoirs released on Tuesday.

He, however, does not name the government functionaries he refers to as al Qaeda sympathisers in Musharraf’s government.

“Pakistan’s radical Islamic movement was strong and areas of country were hosting al Qaeda operating bases. Pakistan’s stability was a major concern, if radicals managed to take control, they would control the country’s nuclear arsenal,” he writes in his 533-page book, titled “In My Time: A Personal and Political Memoir”.

Cheney said the equations between Pakistan and the US started changing by 2004 and Pakistanis helped capture or kill hundreds of al Qaeda terrorists in Pakistan, including the mastermind of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad.

“In Pakistan President Musharraf had signed up with the United States after 9/11 and was providing significant support for our operations in Afghanistan,” he says. Cheney claims as Musharraf’s hold on power in Pakistan had started to weaken, the US increasingly found his commitments not translating into actions.

“We also had much to do in Pakistan, where Musharraf had provided key support, but had an increasingly weak hold on power over a government whose loyalties were at times divided,” he further claimed.

Cheney also referred to his visit to Pakistan in early 2007 where he was accompanied by CIA deputy director Steve Kappes and during his meetings with Musharraf he strongly raised the question of terrorist safe havens. “We discussed with Musharraf the matter of tribal areas on Pakistani side of the border with Afghanistan, which both the Taliban and al Qaeda were using to regroup and rearm before crossing the border to attack again,” he wrote.

“Musharraf had tried to work out a deal whereby he would agree that Pakistani troops would not interfere in Federally Administered Tribal Areas if the tribal leaders would deny safe haven to al Qaeda and the Taliban. The deal did not work. And although Musharraf continued to express support for our efforts in our private meetings, increasingly his commitments were not translating into actions from his government,” Cheney wrote.

Former Vice President alleges within Pakistan government there were also some who continued to support the Taliban, which among other things, hindered efforts to clear out the tribal areas. “Al Qaeda had its sympathisers, too, as Osama bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad for some six years seems to suggest,” he writes.

Cheney acknowledges that Musharraf’s government worked with the US to capture some of most important leaders in the war on terror. He also claims that safe havens continued to exit in Pakistan, and points out that it was Bush Administration which started use of drones to attack terrorists inside Pakistan. “Our efforts in Afghanistan continued to be hindered by safe havens that Taliban and al Qaeda found in Pakistan, we ramped our use of armed drones – unmanned aerial vehicles,” he said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby BijuShet » 30 Aug 2011 23:49

From Tribune article (posting in full).
Zulfiqar Mirza lashes out at MQM...again
Published: August 30, 2011
Blames MQM leader Babar Ghauri for 'thousands of containers that went missing from Karachi port'.
HYDERABAD: Former senior Sindh Minister Zulfiqar Mirza alleged that thousands of containers that were meant for NATO forces in Afghanistan have gone missing from the Karachi Port.

Mirza was addressing a press conference in Hyderabad on Tuesday when he blamed Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) leader Babar Ghauri for the ‘illegal’ disappearance of the containers.

According to Mirza, the containers were full of arms and ammunition, and they went missing at around the same time when Ghauri became the Minister for Port and Shipping.

He said that Ghauri became the biggest real estate tycoon in Karachi from “being nothing at all during Musharraf’s era”.

Lashing out at the MQM, Mirza said the party’s main objective is to rule Sindh.

Mirza had earlier given fiery statements against the MQM in a press conference on Sunday, accusing the party of consipiring against Pakistan.

The recent press conference by Mirza came at the time when MQM leader Faisal Sabzwari was addressing the media in Karachi in an attempt to clear the allegations put up against his party.

(Read: Analysis: What now after Zulfiqar Mirza’s bombshell?)

During his latest press conference, Mirza re-iterated that he will not take part in active politics.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby ramana » 31 Aug 2011 00:03

Carl wrote:Bajwa ji and Ramana ji - Ghalib considered himself primarily a Persian poet, and only secondly an Urdudaan. Although Urdu was his first language, Persian and Turkish were spoken at home. His home tutor in Agra was a newly arrived immigrant from Iran, a Zoroastrian who supposedly converted to Islam. Ghalib was far more proud of his Persian oeuvre than Urdu.



There are many Hindu residents of Lucknow, Delhi who can read, write and speak Persian. It was the lingu franca in North India, till Urdu was promoted by British to break the link to Persia.

Wel Ghalib would be proud to be associated with Persian high culture as oppose to low brow kabila culture of ordu!

This dithcing Urdu is part of the dekabilization process.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Mahendra » 31 Aug 2011 00:29

Our Dhoti Madam is very popular among Islamic terrorists, ISI retired generals and Pakistani so-called Liberals... Wonder what she likes in all three of them? anti-Indianism?


The most useful agents are those who betray their country out of spite as opposed to those who do it primarily for money. With the likes of Dhoti the chances of her turning rogue is negligible. Her anti(hindu) India nature is unlikely to change regardless of whether the ISI pays her or not.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby subodh » 31 Aug 2011 00:57

RajeshA wrote:
subodh wrote:All these worthies, down to that Marvi Simrud lady, need to stew right there, in that lovely cesspool, as it gets purer and purer, with the most special brand of gazhi Islam - they deserve nothing less.

Let our hate of Pakis, not numb our minds to ensuring Pakistan's doom. One also needs to ask what then, when everything is stewed!



Bhasmasur.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby subodh » 31 Aug 2011 01:03

vijayk

Thanks for posting that Marvi response to Atish Taseer's piece in the WSJ.

Her defending that vile Salman Taseer confirms to me that she richly deserves the ongoing purification of her homeland and her probable fate. She is of the group that ran with the hares and hunted with the hounds, and now the hares are thinning and the hounds are baying for her blood.

Good luck.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Theo_Fidel » 31 Aug 2011 01:23

Reading the Sirmed article I must say that she is fond of provocative stances. That is purpose of the bindi nothing more. In France she would wear a Burqa. It is also obvious that the Paki RAPE have so twisted around their own tail that they don't know which end is up and which is down any more.

When Aatish mentioned the deep hatred the RAPE have for India it is as a form of hostility to the deep experience of India with all that is non-rational, non-modern and colorfully anarchic about Indian society. To love Pakistan is to hate India and this is something the RAPE twist their tongue into knots trying to escape.

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Postby Prem » 31 Aug 2011 02:05

Poverty does not breed extremism in Qadristan, study finds
After letting the Dogs out

The study, conducted by researchers from prestigious American universities, found no link between poverty and support for militant groups.
The findings undermine a central pillar of the Conservative government's radical new policy on aid, which will deliver almost £1.4bn to Pakistan over the next five years as part of a strategy to protect Britain from terrorist attack.
On Wednesday, Theresa May, the Home Secretary, spelled out the policy to a jeering audience of police officers, who face pay cuts while extra cash is earmarked for Pakistan. "If you get aid right in certain parts of the world, such as Pakistan, it will reduce the possibility of terrorism on the streets of the JewK," she said. Christine Fair, a South Asia expert at Georgetown University and one of the authors of the new paper, said there was no evidence for such sweeping assertions and that her study of 6,000 people suggested that poorer Pakistanis were actually less likely to support extremist groups than more affluent, better educated people

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Nandu » 31 Aug 2011 03:51

subodh, we don't have to vilify people just because all of their positions do not agree with ours. Marvi herself might have the wrong impression of Taseer, but in any case the direct opinions she has expressed about India are not objectionable. Her main focus is on the internal dynamics of Paki soceity and she correctly sees that anti-India obsession is a cancer eating them up. Good for her.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Prem » 31 Aug 2011 04:07

Nandu,
More the Poaqers remain anti-Indian ,anti-Kufar, better for us. Marvi Begum opening the eyes of Poaq puppies is not in our interest . Poaqs must remain Ghaxi warriors of islam and purify their home from less pure ones. They becoming normal will resemble and compete with Indians and destroy the Dream of Djinnah.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby sunnyP » 31 Aug 2011 04:41

Briton in divorce with French arms broker husband could hold key to 'Karachi affair'
A British woman acrimoniously divorcing a French millionaire arms broker could hold the key to the “Karachi affair” that threatens to poison the presidency of Nicolas Sarkozy.


Against the backdrop of this marital dispute, French judges hope to lift the lid on Mr Takieddine’s alleged role in the “Karachi affair” – a political funding scandal involving alleged kickbacks on a 1994 arms sale to Pakistan and the death of French naval engineers in a bomb attack.

Examining magistrates opened an inquiry last year into the submarine sale, and another involving frigates to Saudi Arabia. They are looking into whether some of the large sums officially destined as commissions to officials served as illegal party funding in France.

Seized documents allege that parts of the “commissions” – legal under French law at the time – were siphoned off to help fund the 1994 presidential campaign of Edouard Balladur, then prime minister. Mr Sarkozy was his budget minister and campaign spokesman. Both men have flatly denied allegations of involvement. Mr Sarkozy has previously described suggestions of his involvement in illegal kickbacks as “grotesque, ridiculous and a fable”.

When Jacques Chirac won the election, it is alleged that he punished Mr Balladur by halting the remaining payments to senior Pakistani figures.

Mr Takieddine acknowledges receiving payment from a sale of frigates to Saudi Arabia, a contract authorised in 1994 by Mr Sarkozy. Documents obtained by Mediapart suggest he received €91 million between 1997 and 1998. France also signed a deal that year to sell three submarines to Pakistan. Several witnesses have told the magistrates that Mr Takieddine was imposed by the Balladur camp as an intermediary. He denies any role.

In May 2002, 11 French submarine engineers and four Pakistanis were killed in a bomb attack in Karachi, blamed on al-Qaeda terrorists. But a separate investigation is under way into whether it was a revenge attack by disgruntled officials for the non-payment of sweeteners.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ffair.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Prem » 31 Aug 2011 04:50

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\08\31\story_31-8-2011_pg3_6

Qadiristani Bacche, Terrorism Ke Pakke, Khayenge Kaffiro ke Dhakke
this is becoming a way of life in the Pashtun belt and to do away with it is not going to be that easy whether the Americans or its allied forces leave or otherwise. Fast track economic development, a political process to keep the restless youth busy and progressive education could help stop militancy from becoming a way of life.
My 10-year-old niece told me how children talk of the Taliban and suicide blasts in her school. She told me how it has become a routine thing for students to talk about militancy. The teacher’s role has become very important in cultivating a culture of peace and tolerance. The genuine NGOs working in the field of education should come up with something concrete not only to train the teachers in how to handle this situation but also by introducing creative programmes for children to immunise them from falling into the trap of militancy.

( Demanding Kuffar values)
We need to love our children and not let them become part of the ongoing militancy — like one of my very bright students who lost his life as a militant. It is time we realise the seriousness of the issue before it gets too late and we lose a whole generation to militancy because we made them become the children of terrorism.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby SBajwa » 31 Aug 2011 05:21

Carl wrote:
Bajwa ji and Ramana ji - Ghalib considered himself primarily a Persian poet, and only secondly an Urdudaan. Although Urdu was his first language, Persian and Turkish were spoken at home. His home tutor in Agra was a newly arrived immigrant from Iran, a Zoroastrian who supposedly converted to Islam. Ghalib was far more proud of his Persian oeuvre than Urdu.


Ghalib was the turning point where Urdu became more persianized/turkized/arabicized before him poets/people/lingua franca was already becoming more "DESI".

The next person after Ghalib who hit the accelerator was Muhammad Iqbal whose father escaping the Kingdom of kashmir and embezeling millions of rupees to Sialkote(british territory). Where Muhammad iqbal was born! who again took the indian words out of "Urdu" poetry (poetry being liked by muslims due to Muhammad being poet) replacing them with Arabian/Persian/turks/etc.

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Postby Suppiah » 31 Aug 2011 06:15

Question to the maulvis here - how much is the disconnect between the poetic Urdu, Hindi cinema (old ones at least) dialogue Urdu and the Urdu spoken by ordinary people? I am not referring to the Urdu spoken by Tamil Muslims and others purely out for religious reasons which may make the Lucknow puritan puke, but good quality Urdu. Is that the kind of difference between *MK rowdy formal speech style Tamil versus ordinary spoken Tamil or something deeper than that?

That would probably provide some clues about all this Persianisation, Turkisation etc. whether it is purely a literary phenomenon or also extends to social space..If the latter, Urdu will probably remain in its present status unacceptable to all non Muslims other than genuine poetry afficanados..in fact as India's economic clout and Hindi's appeal thru' Bollywood increases, it may even lead to gradual decline of Urdu, including in Pakistan..

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Postby Prem » 31 Aug 2011 06:23

Auh e bar bar isfan azaf Bawki
Izahat abb e Indus Ihtiraq Indoo
Itwa Poakroach Afadam Ajlaf
Ashof e asfaluʼs-sāfilin
Ay azam e alghari Yindoo.

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Postby AnimeshP » 31 Aug 2011 06:29

Suppiah wrote:Question to the maulvis here - how much is the disconnect between the poetic Urdu, Hindi cinema (old ones at least) dialogue Urdu and the Urdu spoken by ordinary people? I am not referring to the Urdu spoken by Tamil Muslims and others purely out for religious reasons which may make the Lucknow puritan puke, but good quality Urdu. Is that the kind of difference between *MK rowdy formal speech style Tamil versus ordinary spoken Tamil or something deeper than that?

That would probably provide some clues about all this Persianisation, Turkisation etc. whether it is purely a literary phenomenon or also extends to social space..If the latter, Urdu will probably remain in its present status unacceptable to all non Muslims other than genuine poetry afficanados..


Suppiah .. you can watch the following movies/serials to get a fair idea of spoken Urdu in the Gangetic plains ...
1. "Muhafiz" (starring Shashi Kapoor, Om Puri) directed by Ismail Merchant .. The english version is available under the heading "In Custody" ...
2. "Mere Mehboob" .. (starring Rajendra Kumar & Sadhna)
3. "Shatranj ke khiladi" ... (starring Sanjeev Kumar, Saeed Jaffrey & Amjad Khan) directed by Satyajit Ray
4. "Mirza Ghalib" (TV serial) .. (starring Nasrudeen Shah)
and last but not the least
5. "Mughal-e-Azam"

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Postby Suppiah » 31 Aug 2011 06:31

^^ Thanks...that partly answers the question ..that bollywood Urdu closely mirrors spoken Urdu at least in classic movies. How about poetic Urdu? Do people speak with words used by Ghalib or Faiz or use Hindi/Sanskrit words more than Turkish/Persian/Arabic?

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Postby Pranav » 31 Aug 2011 06:38

vijayk wrote:http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamD ... cleID=5112
26 Jul 2011, NewAgeIslam.Com
Did Salman Taseer hate India? His son Aatish Taseer’s comments elicit responses from Shashi Tharoor and Marvi Sirmed
By Marvi Sirmed

The proclamation that Taseer hated India is one of the biggest crimes against the truth. Based on many discussions with the late governor, I can say it with full responsibility that the claim is wrong and must be based on some personal considerations, certainly not factual. Many close friends of late Taseer would bear me out on this. This very paper, owned by him, was inaugurated among many Indian guests, including Arundhati Roy.



If Sirmed is a supporter of suzy roy, all I can say is that let the purification continue. We should help out individual poaks only after they come to their senses.

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Postby Airavat » 31 Aug 2011 06:43

Neither Persian nor Urdu was ever a lingua franca in India. They had a very narrow area of influence. Persian was simply a court language used to draw up treaties and firmans; it was spoken in the courts of Muslim kingdoms in the Gangetic plains and the Deccan. Urdu was spoken primarily in the cities of these kingdoms. In the wider countryside the language was Hindi and the prevailing regional dialect.

In the major Hindu kingdoms the influence of Persian was limited and Urdu was non-existent.

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2011 06:51

RajeshA wrote:Published on Aug 31, 2011
By Hamza Ameer
New leader plans attacks on Pakistan: Asia Times

Ilyas Kashmiri was wearing three hats. He was a commander of the HuJI for Kashmir operations, then he founded Brigade 313 to launch operations within Pakistan and across Af-Pak and became its Amir and later took over as operational commander of Al Qaeda.

As chief of al-Qaeda’s shadow army—Lashkar-e-Zil, a loose alliance of al-Qaeda-and Taliban-linked anti-US militia he conducted unusual guerrilla operations, like the one that targeted the CIA’s Forward Operating Base in Khost on December 31, 2009, killing seven CIA officials.

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Postby Paul » 31 Aug 2011 07:07

Ghalib was a sarakri bard....he criticized the 1857 revolt to curry favor with the EIC. At one he seriously toyed with the idea of migrating to Iran and settling there. He may have had much affection for India.

I would say Hindi due to Bollywood is losing the Urdu influence and becoming more colloquial....
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Postby A_Gupta » 31 Aug 2011 07:09

menon s wrote:Voices From The Past.
(This article appeared in the 1938 edition of the Aligarh University Magazine which had a foreword by the Quaid e Azam.)
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 5328&Cat=9


Part -2
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 5481&Cat=9

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Dipanker » 31 Aug 2011 07:19

Airavat wrote:Neither Persian nor Urdu was ever a lingua franca in India. They had a very narrow area of influence. Persian was simply a court language used to draw up treaties and firmans; it was spoken in the courts of Muslim kingdoms in the Gangetic plains and the Deccan. Urdu was spoken primarily in the cities of these kingdoms. In the wider countryside the language was Hindi and the prevailing regional dialect.

In the major Hindu kingdoms the influence of Persian was limited and Urdu was non-existent.


Correct, plus urdu itself was (and still is) hindi with smattering of loan words from persian (mostly), arabic, and turkic, and written in nastaliq (perso-arabic script).

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Postby Dipanker » 31 Aug 2011 07:28

Suppiah wrote:^^ Thanks...that partly answers the question ..that bollywood Urdu closely mirrors spoken Urdu at least in classic movies. How about poetic Urdu? Do people speak with words used by Ghalib or Faiz or use Hindi/Sanskrit words more than Turkish/Persian/Arabic?


"Chaste" urdu roughly uses about 30% loan words from persian (mostly), arabic, and turkic. This is the urdu you will find in films like Mughal-e-azam, Pakeezah, etc.

IMO the spoken Indian urdu contains about 15% loan words and thus is closer to hindustani/hindi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Yugandhar » 31 Aug 2011 08:09

Prem ullah sir,
you should be immediately crowned BRF`s resident poet. :D
please keep it coming..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Hari Seldon » 31 Aug 2011 08:15

On the lines of the LokPal bill, there seems to be also a need for a PoakPal bill to help the Jihad Suzie types commit hara-kiri. Just thinking aloud only...

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Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2011 08:44

Xinjiang Trade Fair
The China-Eurasia Expo, the biggest hosted by the regional government, is being held to boost Urumqi's — and Xinjiang's — profile as a commercial hub, particularly to spur fast-rising trade between the region and energy-rich Central Asian neighbours.

Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari will be the chief guest at the fair's opening. He would use the fair “to share his vision about enhanced connectivity between Pakistan and China to shorten trade and travel distances between the Gulf and Western regions of China,” the Associated Press of Pakistan reported.

Businesses here are, however, particularly targeting the markets of Central Asia. “We are more interested in Central Asia,” said one businessman in Kashgar, who is one of the biggest exporters of fruits and produce. He declined to be identified. “Pakistan is too unstable to do business,” he said.

While organisers say the trade fair covers “Central and South Asia,” India was not formally invited to participate, {in keeping with Pakistani sensitivities} officials said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Prem » 31 Aug 2011 09:24

Pushtoonodus
Feeling insecure, Pakhtuns start leaving Karachi
The deteriorating law and order situation in Karachi has forced many people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to leave behind their properties, jobs and business and say goodbye to the port city. They have started seeking alternative sources of income in the province to shift their families to their hometowns for their protection.“Millions of Pakhtuns, most of them very poor, are crying for help as they cannot move to workplaces, but no one is there to given them a helping hand in the existing dreadful situation,” said Dr Wilayat, who vacated his residence in Karachi and moved to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.Dr Wilayat, who belongs to Dir district and works at a government hospital in Karachi, told Dawn by telephone that two years ago he had shifted to his newly built house at Raja Tanveer Colony in Orangi Town but his family was unsafe there and he again returned to Banaras Colony.A group of unidentified youths thrice tried to kidnap me when I was on way from office to home but they failed to do so. In such a situation earning money has no importance and the only option left for me was to vacate my house,” he said.He said that he was seeking job in Peshawar to shift his family from Karachi permanently.Abdul Wajid, a worker of a private firm of the same area, said that he was living at Banaras Colony but could not go to his workplace and had to purchase everything on debt. “It was not possible for me to live there any longer as my children also could not go to schools,” he added.He said that he decided to say goodbye to Karachi and shift his family to Peshawar for its protection. He added that two youths in his neighbourhood —one belonged to Swat and the other to Buner —were shot dead when they were on way to home for Iftari but police did not arrest the killers.“Those, who wear shalwar qamees are shot dead at sight,” he alleged. He said most of the people wanted to return to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa but they had no source of income in their villages.


(SIndhi and Mohajirs have accomplished what Poakjabi aspire but fail to achieve)

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Postby pgbhat » 31 Aug 2011 09:28

onlee in Pacquistan can one want to move from Krachi to Peshawar to feel "safe". :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Singha » 31 Aug 2011 09:52

caught between turkic, mongol, uzbek, british, american, pakjabi, russian and chinese machinations, the pashtoon 'nation' has paid a heavy price in history and never really been allowed to live unmolested.

I hope they finally get their revenge in terms of a independent 'Stan that encompasses NWFP, parts of Afghania, the tribal agencies and ends at Attock. Pakjab needs to be cut down to size.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby shravan » 31 Aug 2011 10:08

Pakistan: death toll in Quetta car parking bomb blast rises to 5, many injured

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Suppiah » 31 Aug 2011 10:13

Is it me or has anyone else noticed the subtle change in the Beijing puppet Stalinist yellow daily in recent days after our American friend has taken over? Odd anti-Beijing news seems to slip past the censors...perhaps some form of taqiya to re-attract tambram audience disgusted by pro Nandigram rapist goon propaganda?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Aditya_V » 31 Aug 2011 10:15

Pranav wrote:
vijayk wrote:http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamD ... cleID=5112
26 Jul 2011, NewAgeIslam.Com
Did Salman Taseer hate India? His son Aatish Taseer’s comments elicit responses from Shashi Tharoor and Marvi Sirmed
By Marvi Sirmed

The proclamation that Taseer hated India is one of the biggest crimes against the truth. Based on many discussions with the late governor, I can say it with full responsibility that the claim is wrong and must be based on some personal considerations, certainly not factual. Many close friends of late Taseer would bear me out on this. This very paper, owned by him, was inaugurated among many Indian guests, including Arundhati Roy.



If Sirmed is a supporter of suzy roy, all I can say is that let the purification continue. We should help out individual poaks only after they come to their senses.


On the other hand, if A.Roy attended the inauguration of his newspaer, then he confirmed as ANTI INDIAN. so Atish Taseer is very correct.

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Postby Suppiah » 31 Aug 2011 10:19

Pakis celebrating Eid in traditional fashion...IED mubarak!

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Postby sum » 31 Aug 2011 10:27

Wikileaks: Did India support Pakistani Taliban?

GDSS officials noted Iran's support to Taliban in Pakistan, adding that GDSS believes that India also has supported Pakistani Taliban and Pashtun separatists.

GDSS= UAE intel..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby jrjrao » 31 Aug 2011 10:31

Folks, before we find and misinterpret some words or two, or a column or two, in order to dump on Ms. Marvi Sirmed, pl. consider what courage it took to publish this op-ed in a Pakistani newspaper just 30 days ago:

Shelve the old music please —Marvi Sirmed
Our state-defined interest remains that of saving our borders from an ‘enemy’ that has never attacked us, a country we have attacked three times in 63 years, an economy that is too big for us to compete with under the present circumstances and a people we have waged proxy wars against.

India matters. India gives the US jobs and a market. India has emerged as a responsible nation that is not causing trouble in the world, not even in Pakistan. At least that is the perception India has created for itself. India has emerged as a stable, viable and trustworthy partner that has no underlying agenda of destroying the US or the west or of its own ideological expansion. Despite having a Muslim population now equalling the entire population of Pakistan, India could never be traced as the source of Islamic terrorism.

India conducted a nuclear test much before us but what makes it more acceptable is its constant efforts to improve its human development indicators, its serious commitment to non-proliferation, its democratic mechanism of checks and balances, accountability of its defence sector that to-date remains subservient to its people’s will through their representatives. Most of all, India stands out because of its commitment to pluralism, its recognition of new opportunities to improve relations with world powers due to economic considerations, its renewed focus on internal development, less prickly attitude to the outside world and responsible nuclear behaviour that comes from its complete refusal to impose its own system on the entire world.

Before the readers dismiss it as a eulogy of India, please consider what havoc we have played with our own people, our own country by not doing what India has been doing. And today, India remains much more respected and trusted than us when not even our closest allies are ready to trust us, including our ‘Muslim brothers’. Even if the central focus of our existence is to tackle India (really?), should we not re-assess our policies urgently?



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