Bharat Rakshak

shiv wrote:

shiv wrote: Adding a few more thoughts.

I think it is important to point out that there is a very real Islamic jihad/ religious war component in Pakistan constant terrorist attack against India. With virtually no non Muslims Pakistan does not need secularism and they realise that sparking a religious war in India will do exactly what is needed:
1. Kill Secularism in India and the current structure of the Indian state
2. Spark of the very Muslim-non Muslim tensions that created Pakistan in the first place.

This too is a very good strategy. In fact if Indian Muslims rose up against the non Muslims in India, whether they win or lose it would serve Pakistan's purpose. If they win, it proves the superiority of Islam. if they lose, it proves the necessity of Pakistan.

If Indian Muslims do not rise up against non Muslims, the way to provoke them is to make Hindus rise up against Muslims. If Hindus rise against indian Muslims, maybe a percentage of Indian Muslims will fight. Their fight will be Pakistan fight. Their victory will be Pakistan victory. Their defeat will also be Pakistan's victory, creating martyrs who prove that Pakistan is necessary.

So I think it is important to be absolutely open and public about the fact that Pakistan is fighting and exceedingly intelligent and well conceived religious war against India that puts India in a losing situation whether Hindus rise up or Muslims rise up. The worst possible thing for Pakistan is continuing communal amity in India. That reduces the Pakistan plan from the success of "Direct action day" to the random killings of Dehli HC/26-11/Kaluchak etc

BijuShet wrote:From The News - Opinion piece (posting in full). TSP economy will get very interesting in the next 2-3 years. The slow squeeze of poverty, rising inflation, falling trade and a rupee worth nothing will make TSP abduls suffer a fate, Allah usually reserves for the unfaithfools.

From economic crisis to collapse

Y I Patel wrote:It's not impossible. Rahul mian needs to revert to his grandpa's original surname, and we are set.

RajeshA wrote:

Y I Patel wrote:It's not impossible. Rahul mian needs to revert to his grandpa's original surname, and we are set.

One Grandpa was a Parsi! One was a Roman Catholic! How does that help?

RajeshA wrote:

Y I Patel wrote:It's not impossible. Rahul mian needs to revert to his grandpa's original surname, and we are set.

One Grandpa was a Parsi! One was a Roman Catholic! How does that help?

MurthyB wrote:
So let's see:

Sentencing to death
Beating up women
Killing babies
Caste/sect prejudice
Shemales
Hijras
Man-on-hijra rape
Making babies like Lego factory makes legos
Paint jobs
Legitimate and illegitimate children
Building mosques
Cross dressing
Cricket team losing
Child molestation
Efforts at "purifying"
Prostitution and Pimping
Bribery
and
"escape" from India

AND oh oh oh, it's got "Hakim" saab
Yup, this movies got it all. Now which BRF member wrote the screenplay ?

which helps them to raise their living standard. The hakim sisters finally makes it big with a small start. They also takes care of the their eighth sister that they saved from her father's brutality.

shiv wrote:You forgot Pakistani birth control and good Engliss

The movie ends up showing Zainub's family struggling by opening a small restaurant outside their palace looking house lured by on goers with temptation. The daughters of the hakim make it possible to earn in a respectable way. They slowly but gradually builds up a cafe named "Zainab's cafe" which helps them to raise their living standard.

The top brass of the Pakistan Army discussed the ongoing rescue operation in flood affected areas of interior Sindh in the 142nd Corps Commanders Conference held at Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi on Thursday.

Sources added that the Corps Commanders were also briefed on the ongoing operation by the ISI in Quetta during which three Al-Qaeda members were arrested.

The army leadership was also briefed about the situation on the Pak-Afghan border, discussing the Afghan Taliban attack on Chitral Scouts, during the meeting.

ShauryaT wrote:BK is not saying 20 KT is all we have. What he is saying is 20KT is all we have proven and hence the most credible. GOI has been trying to avoid wars forever with TSP. Even when we have wars, these wars are more about a battle of maneuvers than wars with substantial geopolitical aims (except 1971). None of the wars with TSP (including 71) have been wars of attrition or decimation. So, while the IA arms for such an event, the political leadership has no intention of executing, even with the capability.

What BK is saying, no point to build capabilities, that do not match likely political strategy. His missile threat comment (read Prithvi) was specifically in that context. He is a known propagator of the theory of predictability which promotes stability, when it comes to nuclear weapons. Tactical nuclear weapons promote instability.

Tribune, 3 April 2006, 3 April 2006
JKLF accuses Pak of taking U-turn on Kashmir
NEW DELHI: Accusing Islamabad of making a U-turn on Kashmir more than a dozen times, the oldest Kashmiri separatist organisation, JKLF, has dismissed claim that Pakistan founder Mohammed Ali Jinnah had ever claimed Kashmir to be an integral part of Pakistan. "I will mention the performance of Pakistan for the resolution of this longstanding issue and will never hesitate to say that neither the direction nor the pace of endeavours that the Pakistani rulers have so far taken are correct," JKLF Chief Amanullah Khan was quoted by Pakistani daily 'The Daily Times'. Mr Khan was critical of proposals by Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and said they mainly lead to "division" of Kashmir instead of its "independence". He said since 1947, Pakistan had taken at least 15 U-turns on its Kashmir policy.

The Pakistani rulers would never shy away from compromising on their previous stances whenever they think the situation has changed, he added.

JKLF says Pakistan’s Kashmir policies not on the right track

* Says India and Pakistan have not moved an inch forward to settle the issue
* Musharraf’s proposals contradictory

Staff Report

KARACHI: Chief of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) Amanullah Khan said on Saturday that the Pakistani government’s policies about the resolution of the Kashmir conflict were not on the right track and neither of the two nuclear-armed neighbours had moved a single inch forward in the right direction.

“I will mention the performance of Pakistan for the resolution of this longstanding issue and will never hesitate to say that neither the direction nor the pace of the endeavours that the Pakistani rulers have so far taken are correct,” Khan said at a press conference at the Karachi Press Club.

Since 1999, when then prime minister Nawaz Sharif and his Indian counterpart Atal Behari Vajpayee had engaged in Confidence Building Measures (CBMs), the countries had not moved a single inch forward to resolve the issue.

Khan was critical of the host of proposals suggested by President Pervez Musharraf and said that they mainly led to the division of Kashmir instead of its independence. “Go through all the agreements and declarations that the leaderships of the two countries have signed so far and you would clearly see that not a single one of them suggests engaging the Kashmiri people in the dialogue. The two governments are only serving their own interests; they are fighting for the territory and not the people living there,” Khan said.

Most of the Kashmiri parties across the line of divide were toeing the policies of India and Pakistan and it was difficult to introduce any popular yet unbiased leadership to the peace dialogue.

Khan disagreed with a suggestion recently made by Yasin Malik, a leader of his own faction of the JKLF in Indian-held Kashmir, recommending a referendum in the entire valley to elect popular leadership to be engaged in the trilateral dialogue. “Such a process will not ensure that the popular leadership would fight for the people of Kashmir because at the table those leaders could bargain against the interests of Kashmir.

“Whether the negotiations are bilateral or trilateral, they should ensure an independent Kashmir with a democratic and secular state with friendly ties with all its neighbours,” Khan said.

The JKLF leaders claimed that since 1947, Pakistan had taken at least 15 U-turns on its Kashmir policy and the Pakistani rulers would never shy from compromising on their previous stances whenever they thought that the situation had changed. “Besides, I would contest [their] persistent claim that Quaid-e-Azam had said in one of his speeches that Kashmir was an integral part of Pakistan. No one would find such narrations in any of the speeches the Quaid made till his death,” said the JKLF chief.

President Musharraf had constantly contradicted himself, Khan added. “In 2004, General Musharraf had told us at a reception hosted by Shaikh Rashid, that autonomy might be one of the solutions to the Kashmir issue but at the recent Pagwash Conference, he told us that an autonomous Kashmir was not applicable. He is constantly contradicting himself.”

Khan said the demilitarisation of Kashmir should be the beginning of the settlement and not the ultimate solution to the conflict. His party had evolved a roadmap according to which an independent united Kashmir would be a secular state and after fifteen years to this status its people should decide in a referendum whether they wanted to be independent or go along with any of its neighbours – Pakistan or India.

Khan said there was a large part of Kashmir that had been annexed by China but his party did not want to touch this controversy because it would make the issue more complex.

Rudradev wrote:BTW, one thing I'm reading a lot of in the Karnad thread, is that never mind if P-2 failed to establish it... if need be we can assemble and test a 200kT boosted fission device in under a month.

Yes. And when the riot starts and stones are breaking my windows, I can go into the kitchen, melt down a tubelight holder, attach a pipe fitting, insert one .303 slug that I found somewhere many years ago, and I will have an A-class ghoda ready to go. No worries, have curry. Hack-thoo.

Y I Patel wrote:And my positive reason would apply if I am not looking to defeat a pipsqueak travesty of history called Pakistan, but am looking to come to terms with a reality called Islam in Akhand Bharat. Of course, I am not unmindful that a true, potent Musalman as India's PM would spell the end of Pakistan without a shot being fired, and that is because I would view Pakistan as a vital part of India that I would want to reassimilate. Since I cannot turn back time, I cannot achieve such an end without defeating the idea of Pakistan or embracing the reality of Islam in India. Ten thousand Shaktis will not defeat that Idea. One real Musalman will. Islam does not distinguish between India and Pakistan.

Y I Patel wrote:Islam is India's heritage, and it can be India's sword to use.

Pakistan on Thursday claimed India had assured Islamabad that it would not make any further comment at the World Trade Organisation's (WTO) Council for Trade in Goods on the time-bound European Union (E.U.) waiver on trade preferences that was offered to Pakistan to help recover from last year's devastating floods.

Asked about India's continuing opposition to the E.U. waiver, Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Janjua said the Indian leadership, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, had assured Pakistan that it would refrain from comment at future WTO meetings on the issue.

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Delhi blast

Meanwhile, Pakistan was also appreciative of the maturity shown by the Indian leadership in not rushing to point accusing fingers after the Delhi High Court blast on Wednesday.

Y I Patel wrote:If there is to be a firing squad, it should be directed only at me - I am the one who suggested a green PM.

A_Gupta wrote:Read the original cable here:
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/04/06ISLAMABAD5767.html

Y I Patel wrote:If there is to be a firing squad, it should be directed only at me - I am the one who suggested a green PM.
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Avinash R wrote:

Y I Patel wrote:Islam is India's heritage, and it can be India's sword to use.

Islam is NOT our heritage, its an religion with roots in arabia.

ArmenT wrote:

Avinash R wrote:
Islam is NOT our heritage, its an religion with roots in arabia.

Saar ji, it has become part of India's heritage, whether you like it or not. Question is, how does India use it to advantage.

• Pakistanis represent true Islam
• Arab Islam is the only true Islam
• True Islam does not allow music, art or anything remotely resembling worship of a physical object

Police sting jihad pair convicted
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Pakistani-born British citizen Munir Farooqi, 54, was at the centre of a plot to radicalise and persuade the officers to "fight, kill and die" in a holy war in Afghanistan.
Farooqi, of Victoria Terrace, Longsight, Manchester, was convicted of preparing for acts of terrorism, three counts of soliciting to murder and one count of dissemination of terrorist publications, following a four-month trial at Manchester Crown Court.
British Muslim convert Matthew Newton, 29, of Rydal Walk, Stalybridge, Tameside, was convicted of preparing for acts of terrorism and two counts of dissemination of terrorist publications.
Farooqi's son, Harris Farooqi, 28, of Stockport Road, Levenshulme, Manchester, was cleared of one count of engaging in conduct for the preparation of terrorism and discharged from the court a free man.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Wow...this thread never fails to surprise me. With friends like these ...

Fears over the resurgence of religious extremist groups in Xinjiang and increasing lack of confidence in the Pakistani government's ability to crack down on terror were the likely factors behind the Communist Party of China's unexpected move to sign its first ever cooperation agreement with an Islamist political party in 2009, leaked United States Embassy cables suggest.

The CPC sought the support of Pakistan's Jamaat-e-Islaami (JI) to tackle “radicalised” groups who were backing separatists in Xinjiang, scholars in official Chinese think-tanks and Afghan diplomats told U.S. officials, according to a cable from March 2009 that was among the last tranche of cables released by Wikileaks.

The cable underscores China's long-persisting concerns over the spread of extremism from neighbouring Pakistan, voiced recently following attacks in Kashgar and Hotan .

In early 2009, China decided it wanted to “directly deal with JI” because radicalised groups “were suspicious of Chinese interests in Pakistan and supported Xinjiang separatists,” Ye Hailin, a scholar at the official Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), a think-tank close to the Chinese government, reportedly told U.S. officials. The JI, China believed, had “strong influence” on those groups.{Several decades back, JI leadership passed into Pakhtun hands and had remained so ever since. That does not mean that if the JI leadership does not agree with a particularly virulent Taliban viewpoint they would be tolerated. Tribal jirga and maliks, traditionally the implementors of Pashtunwali code, have been mercilessly eliminated in their hundreds leaving the sub-tribes and sub-clans with no leadership who then capitulated to Taliban demands out of fear, out of misplaced sympathy and out of necessity. JI and indeed the rest of Pakistan would be no exception, because the rest of Pakisan is still a biradari-based society}

“The maliks can help us very much,” Mr. Yi was quoted as saying.

Sovereignty

His comments were echoed by Mirwais Nab, a First Secretary at the Afghan Embassy in Beijing, who said the CPC's agreement with JI both “legitimised Chinese sovereignty over Xinjiang and demonstrated that the Chinese no longer believed they could rely on the Pakistan government… alone to look after its interests”.{It is a false sense of legitimacy felt by the CPC because JI does not determine the policies of AQAM}

Mr. Nab claimed that officials in the CPC Central Committee's International Department, which handles party-to-party ties and directs the Foreign Ministry, had told him China “would invest in projects in JI-friendly areas in the FATA [Bajaur and Mohmand]” regions.

The MoU signed between the CPC and the JI in early 2009 called for cooperation on justice, security and development, with the JI specifically agreeing to back China on Xinjiang.{This came about because of Zardari's efforts. JI is normally a sarkari organization and supports anybody in power just like Fazlr Rehman's JUI-F}

Han Hua, an influential South Asia scholar at Peking University, told U.S. officials the deal between the CPC and JI “simply reflected the CPC's desire to show respect for Muslim culture and religion without lending support to radicalised elements in Pakistan”.

abhishek_sharma wrote:‘India supports for EU waiver on trade preferences to Pak’: Pakistan

Pakistan on Thursday claimed India had assured Islamabad that it would not make any further comment at the World Trade Organisation's (WTO) Council for Trade in Goods on the time-bound European Union (E.U.) waiver on trade preferences that was offered to Pakistan to help recover from last year's devastating floods.

Asked about India's continuing opposition to the E.U. waiver, Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Janjua said the Indian leadership, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, had assured Pakistan that it would refrain from comment at future WTO meetings on the issue.

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Delhi blast

Meanwhile, Pakistan was also appreciative of the maturity shown by the Indian leadership in not rushing to point accusing fingers after the Delhi High Court blast on Wednesday.

Someone like Wajahat Habibullah comes to mind, atleast for the "good" reasons I was thinking of.

Rudradev wrote:Now to Kanson's question about Taiwan. If PRC wanted a war, why would they pick India and not Taiwan? I think the answer is, they're still not sure (despite US' apparent weakness) that US and Japan will not rush to Taiwan's defense. However, they may calculate that this is not true of India. With Pakistan on their side, and US staying out of the conflict, the PRC Militarists may feel more confident of securing a military "victory" against India than one against Taiwan.

Rudradev wrote:Also, Kanson, about Agni V testing this year. If it happens, it is a good thing. It is a sign that we are not idly waiting with the axe over our heads, that we are trying to close the window of opportunity for China to prosecute a two-front war against us. Still, for the present Agni V is untested and I don't know if Agni III is even deployed. IF what Bharat Karnad says is true, 20kT weapons is the most we have. So the assessment, that GOI is trying very hard to avoid war by courting certain factions within Pakistan, holds good.

He said that the 3,000-km range Agni-III missile has already been inducted into the armed forces. “Agni-III is already inducted. Its development has been completed and is under production,” he said.

that GOI is trying very hard to avoid war by courting certain factions within Pakistan, holds good