Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Theo_Fidel » 22 Sep 2011 18:11

CRamS wrote: US is so strong that it can annhilate any country in the world militarily should it choose it.


This is not true at all. Don't make claims for the US it does not even make itself. Don't give yourself a false sense of over confidence.

The USA was strong for the last 50 years because its competitors from Germany, Japan, UK, France, Russia, China & India either annihilated themselves or self castrated themselves economically and militarily. This was a unique occurrence historically and gave a unique advantage to the US. Even Americans understand this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby harbans » 22 Sep 2011 18:49

Was thinking a bit on Shiv Ji's 'ultimatum' example. Searching a little this is the closest to the 'rifle' example i could glean out..from TOI/ WP:

Separately, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday that "In what amounts to an ultimatum, administration officials have indicated that the US will act unilaterally if Pakistan does not comply ."


So the likely level of escalation after Drones should logically be regular boots in the ground kind of operational forays in the Northern areas. That would rank as a big escalation as any loss of boots on Paki soil will lead to larger scale retaliations and escalations from the US side. I assume escalation written all over as the US solidifies it's Northern distribution networks.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Vikas » 22 Sep 2011 18:54

US is so strong that it can annhilate any country in the world militarily should it choose it except for those countries whose name start with P,NK,I,C,R ,V or lie in the continent of Europe or Australia or are neighbors to US or carry Nukes or have oil or have no oil.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby SSridhar » 22 Sep 2011 19:19

Why should we have these IB4TL posts ? Deleted all of them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby shiv » 22 Sep 2011 19:21

JE Menon wrote:Maybe you are right though... but I wouldn't put it past the Paks to do this sort of thing as propagandu aimed at their mango abduls...

The programme is "Hasb e Haal" - maybe someone who knows Urdu can tell us WTF that means...


JEM the owner of that channel has an Indian flag on his YouTube wall/home page. He may be Indian doing some seriously good psy ops. If so - more power to him.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby hulaku » 22 Sep 2011 19:22

Latest comments from Mike Mullen

"The Haqqani Network... acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Agency," Adm Mike Mullen told a Senate panel.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15024344

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby shiv » 22 Sep 2011 19:24

VikasRaina wrote:US is so strong that it can annhilate any country in the world militarily should it choose it except for those countries whose name start with P,NK,I,C,R ,V or lie in the continent of Europe or Australia or are neighbors to US or carry Nukes or have oil or have no oil.


Man if you were a lawyer in America you would be raking in moolah writing out the fine print for corporate and international agreements.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby ramana » 22 Sep 2011 19:37

Looks like GOC of SWAT got swatted on his leg by a bulltet from TTP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Virupaksha » 22 Sep 2011 19:40

shiv wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:US is so strong that it can annhilate any country in the world militarily should it choose it except for those countries whose name start with P,NK,I,C,R ,V or lie in the continent of Europe or Australia or are neighbors to US or carry Nukes or have oil or have no oil.


Man if you were a lawyer in America you would be raking in moolah writing out the fine print for corporate and international agreements.

are we sure he is not :oops:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby saadhak » 22 Sep 2011 20:03

Kayani delays the inevitable - army takeover
Pakistani Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani reportedly snubbed his core commanders who had argued that an army takeover had become inevitable in the prevailing situation as the country was fast descending into chaos.

According to The News, the incident took place during the last meeting of the Corps Commanders’ held on September 8 in Rawalpindi. It was presided over by Kayani. According to informed sources, quite a few participants of the meeting thought a military takeover was the only way to steer the country out of its multiple crises. But Kayani, together with some others, urged restraint and patience, saying that the civilian government should be given more time to tackle the issues. As no press release was issued after the meeting it created confusion, as the decision to issue no handout was unprecedented. But journalists were told through military sources that it was done to avoid any criticism of the army for being overtly vocal on the Karachi situation.

Note the veiled threat - he's advising patience and not outright rejecting overthrow of the civilians

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby anchal » 22 Sep 2011 21:24

March to 72!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby abhijitm » 22 Sep 2011 21:31

SSridhar wrote:Why should we have these IB4TL posts ? ...

Those are chants of anta yantra (procession) by BRFites for TSP dhaga :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby Agnimitra » 22 Sep 2011 21:32

JE Menon wrote:The programme is "Hasb e Haal" - maybe someone who knows Urdu can tell us WTF that means...

"Reckoning of present circumstances."

Strange blog post by MKB today:
Will Pakistan share ’strategic assets’ with US?
Pakistan passed through a rough patch on Tuesday. Twenty-two Shi’ite pilgrims heading for Iran were ambushed and killed in Baluchistan. Hmm. Who could be desperate to raise dust in Pakistan-Iran ties, which have been perceptibly warming lately? There could be more than one who couldn’t tolerate the winds of change.

Later in the evening, word came from Kabul on the assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani. By now, any major terrorist strike in Afghanistan is immediately attributed to the Haqqani group — and by implication to Pakistan’s ISI. Yet, Barack Obama was circumspect about Rabbani’s killing, decrying it as a “senseless act of violence” and a “tragic loss”. Obama wouldn’t be drawn into finger-pointing. Hillary Clinton stated the prevailing view — that the murder was a (futile) attempt to disrupt the peace process.

The restraint in Washington is understandable. ISI chief Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha was in town for a meeting with CIA counterpart David Petraeus. The White House and State Dept were probably assimilating what Pasha came to say.

However, Pasha’a one-day mission to Washington didn’t deter Pentagon, which is in the frying pan in Afghanistan, from going about its current business of pressuring the Pakistani military leadership to cooperate in the war. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta and chairman, joint chiefs of staff Mike Mullen continued with the tongue-lashing on links between ISI and the Haqqani group. The charges are now explicit. No more kid gloves. Both made it clear US patience is wearing thin.

But there were nuances, too. Panetta hinted that Pakistan is now more receptive — “I think they’ve heard the message, but we’ll see.” Mullen needlessly brought in the ‘reciprocity’ that Pakistan always expected by way of US mediation in Kashmir. Empathizing with Pakistan’s perception of India as an ‘existential threat’, Mullen added, “solving Kashmir unlocks the whole place.”

Mullen’s emphasis on regional focus merits attention. He specifically brought in events in Iran, Pakistan, India and China as inseparable from the US’s strategy in Afghanistan. Just as well, perhaps, that Obama didn’t give time to PM Manmohan Singh for a meeting. Although, Delhi is pursuing a Pakistan-policy that meshes with the US strategies and Obama cannot complain. Delhi even broke from the past pretence of POK being ‘our territory’ and allowed the visit by the former POK PM Sultan Mahmood Chaudhury to Srinagar.

Let the US-India dialogue in Washington be conducted by FM Pranab Mukherjee while PM sticks to a fine speech in the UN GA in New York, relaxes for an extra day out there with his family and then returns to the heat and dust of India. Pranabda would know better than anyone else that money speaks compelling language in America.

For Obama, Pakistan is the clincher at the moment — and not India, no matter what the honchos of the Aspen Group would say — as his presidency is on the cross hairs and the news from Afghanistan is ominous. And, Pakistan is vastly experienced at stringing the Americans along, taking ’strategic defiance’ thus far and no further. It is a highly-skilled fine-tuning that is currently going on — which would be the envy of any diplomatist — as is evident from Pakistan expelling the US military advisors and rejecting any further military training programmes, but nonetheless allowing a small American military presence to continue.

Again, Pasha’s visit is evidently a follow-up on the 4-hour meeting on Friday at Seville, Spain, between Mullen and Pak army chief Gen. Parvez Kayani on the sidelines of the NATO defence ministers’ meet. By the way, Kayani was decorated with the highest military award of Spain and given the honour of addressing the NATO defence ministers. The Americans know how to stoop to conquer. The big question is, are the Haqqanis going to be collared, finally? After all, Jalaluddin used to be the CIA’s blue-eyed jihadi commander in the 1980s — under Gen. Zai-ul-Haq’s watchful eyes, of course.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

Postby sum » 22 Sep 2011 21:36

^^ One of the rare neutral articles by MKB, where he doesnt seem to go into song and dance about Pak!!!

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