Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby RajeshA » 23 Jan 2013 18:04

Scottish independence is fast becoming the only option: Guardian
By Kevin McKenna
Published on Jan 20, 2013

Yet we conveniently overlook the fact that London has already broken away from the United Kingdom and now exists as a world super-state governed by the greed of unhindered capitalism and recognisable as British only by its taxis and bad service. As the world's most newly minted oligarchs continue to colonise the independent state of London, it becomes almost impossible for families on less than £250k to live decently there. Poor London families made homeless by the coalition benefit cuts are being evacuated as far north as Middlesbrough.

Last week, Goldman Sachs, one of the banks with its fingers in the till when global economic meltdown occurred, awarded an average bonus of £250,000 to each of its employees. The gap between the richest in our society and the poorest stretched a little more and we were reminded yet again that the UK government, despite its promises, allows greed, incompetence and corruption to be rewarded. (How many people do you think will go to jail for the Libor rate-fixing scandal?) Meanwhile, Westminster politicians are dividing the poor into categories marked "deserving" and "scum".

The most common wet dream of every Bullingdon Tory is the national lottery. And what a jolly wheeze it is: get the poor to fund our biggest capital projects in exchange for a cruel fairy story. Now they've doubled the stake to £2, confident that the benefit cuts are increasing their customer base daily. In Glasgow, the boss of a council-run regeneration agency was given a £500k pay-off at a time when the Citizens Advice Bureau is reporting almost 1,000 calls a day from people whose families have been impoverished by the benefit cuts. Life for millions of people under the most rapacious and reactionary government in 150 years has diminished. To prevent the peasants revolting, however, they have been treated to exaggerated displays of unity euphoria such as the Olympics and assorted royal jubilees.

Labour in the UK long ago gave up any pretence at being the party of the marginalised and the vulnerable. Instead, it throws rotten fruit at the SNP when it says what Labour should be saying. Alex Salmond last week painted a handsome picture of what a new Scottish constitution following independence would look like. Every Scot, he said, would have a right to a home and free education. There will be no nuclear weapons. And we'll decide who we're fighting and who we're not. Until Blair, Mandelson, Balls and Miliband hijacked the party, that was what I thought Labour stood for. Now they simply boo and hiss with the Tories and say it can't be done.

Earlier this month, the UK Treasury declared that, following a period of intense and prolonged analysis of the economic numbers, each of us would be £1 a year worse off in an independent Scotland. Put another way, for £1 a year you will never have to endure the economic privations of a Conservative government ever again. You will not be penalised for being poor or old and nor will you suffer the pain of watching your young boys being killed in illegal wars or occupations.

We won't be lacking friends, either. Of matters concerning oil and Europe in an independent Scotland, the Norwegian government officials I met in Oslo last month were very upbeat. "Come and talk to us before you commit to the EU," they said, "and let us advise you how to manage your oil fund and how to negotiate with the oil companies."

With each passing week, it becomes more difficult to support a union that doesn't really exist anyway. Morally, it may soon become indefensible to remain in a state that rewards corruption and promotes inequality when you have an opportunity to leave it behind.


Ah the wonderful disgust with London! :)

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Postby Philip » 24 Jan 2013 08:49

A royal mental case!

Prince Harry has a ‘mental problem’, say Afghan Taliban
http://dawn.com/2013/01/22/prince-harry ... n-taliban/

KABUL: Britain’s Prince Harry, who compared shooting insurgents in Afghanistan to playing video games, “has probably developed a mental problem”, the Taliban said on Tuesday.

“There are 49 countries with their powerful military failing in the fight against the mujahideen, and now this prince comes and compares this war with his games, PlayStation or whatever he calls it,” Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told AFP.

In a recently released interview, Prince Harry had joked that he honed his weapons’ pilot skills playing PlayStation and Xbox computer games.

He also revealed that he had killed Afghan insurgents during sorties against the Taliban while on his second tour of duty in Afghanistan where he was a gunner in Apache attack helicopters.

Queen Elizabeth’s 28-year-old grandson, third in line to the British throne, will return home later this week after a 20-week posting with Nato forces at the CampBastion military base in the southern province of Helmand.

Asked before he left Afghanistan if he had killed insurgents during his tour, he said: “Yeah, so, lots of people have … Yes, we fire when we have to, take a life to save a life, but essentially we’re more of a deterrent than anything else.”

He added, “If there’s people trying to do bad stuff to our guys, then we’ll take them out of the game, I suppose.”

The Taliban had said it would do its utmost to kidnap or kill Harry during his tour, and an Afghan insurgent warlord labelled him a drunken “jackal” out to kill innocent Afghans.

His base was attacked on his birthday last September, but it was never clear if he was the target or if the Taliban raid, in which two US marines were killed, was in response to the anti-Islam film, “Innocence of Muslims”.

Known in the military as Captain Harry Wales, he was deployed to Afghanistan four months ago, shortly after pictures of him frolicking naked with a nude woman at a hotel in Las Vegas were published around the world.

“I probably let myself down, I let my family down, I let other people down,” he said of the Vegas incident. “But it was probably a classic example of me being too much army, and not enough prince.”


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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby brihaspati » 25 Jan 2013 21:04

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3514/terror-finance
Successive British governments continue to tolerate the existence of large charities that encourage and provide for Islamist terror groups. By failing to separate British Muslims from the Islamist charities that exploit them, we flatter and legitimize supporters of terrorism as humanitarians and community leaders. In the US, the charity Interpal is a proscribed organization: when you help terror groups build homes, you are also helping terror groups build bombs. In the UK, however, Interpal is a leading charity that provides support for terror groups. What is Interpal, and why isn't the British government shutting it down?

For hundreds of years, London has mostly been a welcoming home for extremists who wished to destroy the very freedoms the city afforded them. It was here that 19th century nihilists such as Bakunin and Nechayev freely disseminated their violent ideas. In the 20th century, Soviet money seeped into our trade unions and lobbying groups. And now, today, London is a hub for Islamist and Arabist terror infrastructure. It is a city from which financial and logistical support sustains violent supremacist movements across the world. A few months ago, Lord Alton of Liverpool told the British parliament that he believed the Al Muntada Trust, a large London-based charity, is funding the Nigerian Al-Qaeda terrorist group Boko Haram[1]. The speakers at events previously hosted by Al Muntada have described Jews as the "descendants of apes and pigs" and have called for the execution of homosexuals and adulterous women[2]

We do not, however, just idly tolerate anti-Western groups in our midst and abroad; the harder truth is that government is often complicit with their activities, and when caught, our elected leaders simply refuse to discuss the facts. A recent report by Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) revealed that British taxpayers are contributing towards the $4.5 million paid each month to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons, including terrorists and mass murderers. Despite the evidence gathered by PMW, the British Foreign Office continues to deny that British money is rewarding terrorism. In a letter to Robert Halfon MP, who had voiced his concern at the findings, the International Development Minister Alan Duncan wrote: "We have investigated the matter fully and can confirm that the allegations in Palestinian Media Watch's report are both inaccurate and misleading."[3] Duncan did not say how the report was inaccurate, and nor did he provide any sources or facts to back up his claim. As PMW sharply responded, "the general statements made by the Minister of State in his letter, which lack any sources that contradict PMW's findings, are wrong". [4]

This is unfortunately not the first time the British government has just rejected the accusations rather than examine the evidence. Several years ago, a report by the Taxpayers' Alliance revealed that £100 million in British aid to Palestinian schools was funding textbooks indoctrinating children with pro-terror and anti-Jewish propaganda[5]. Similarly, rather than properly investigate, the government simply dismissed the claims as baseless. Why do politicians and the vehicles of government knowingly allow themselves to be complicit with groups that advance pro-terror and anti-Western ideas?

Look, for example, at a large organization called Interpal. Although in the UK it is a well-established charity which has enjoyed the support of leading British politicians and cabinet members, in the United States Interpal is designated a terrorist organization. What is Interpal, and why isn't the British Government shutting it down?

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Postby brihaspati » 25 Jan 2013 22:07

British Islamists Protest French Campaign in Mali: Hollande Is a "Son of Pharoah", Islam Will Dominate France and England
http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3721.htm
"we will impose sharia - which is inevitable - on you, whether you like it or not"

A "loony" fringe group? A proof of how the community is exposing its "radicals" and cooperating with the Brit police?

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Postby Sushupti » 27 Jan 2013 02:59

I didn’t know sex with 13-year-old was illegal

Adil Rashid, 18, met the girl on Facebook and groomed her for two months before booking a hotel where they had sex.
But when cops arrested him, he claimed he did not know about the age of consent because of his Muslim education in a madrassa school.

Judge Stokes described Rashid as “passive” and said sending him to jail might cause him “more damage than good”.
Rashid was sentenced to nine months in youth custody, suspended for two years.
:eek:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... z2J7Wc6NaJ

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Postby Vayutuvan » 27 Jan 2013 05:11

UK laws seem to be very tolerant. Something like this is considered mandatory rape in US and the person would be a sex offender. Anybody 18 and over would be treated as adult. Utterly disgusting.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 27 Jan 2013 05:16

^^^I only pray ever more of such tolerance to UKstan. They deserve every pawki they have x10, I say.

Lest we forget the Briturds planned on leaving India (if at all) broken into a 100+ pieces, each riven with sectarian and religious strife. Sardar Patel put paid to that Briturd wet dream (except in J&K, to our lasting discomfort). Now seems like Briturd plans may well turn out to be true in oirostan starting with UKstan.... in a generation should present graphic demographic trends continue.... The momeen will have adequate numerical strength to create widespread strife, no-go areas, wanton threats and violence in the name of sharia... in short a theatarical trailer of what UKstan planned for the Indian subcontinent all those years ago...

karma is a beach only...

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Postby Sushupti » 29 Jan 2013 22:55

'I feel like a stranger where I live’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -live.html

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Postby RajeshA » 01 Feb 2013 16:43

I find it interesting that the Scottish referendum on Independence will take place shortly after the Commonwealth Games 2014 in Scotland which run 24 July to 3 August 2014. Great Move.

If the Scots are able to organize the games well without too much negative media, which would be expected from from English media, then I guess that would indeed give a boost to the Yes camp, Yes to Independence.

I hope the Indians are effusive in their praise of Scotland's "great management"!

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby Sushupti » 02 Feb 2013 06:36

Hijab for a day: Non-Muslim women who try the headscarf

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21283301

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Postby RajeshA » 02 Feb 2013 18:25

Sushupti wrote:Hijab for a day: Non-Muslim women who try the headscarf

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21283301


How come they don't start "Bikini for a Day" event for the Muslim women of Britain? How about Muslim British men supporting such a move. Or how about "Kafir for a Day"? Wouldn't that help the cause of religious tolerance?

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Postby RajeshA » 02 Feb 2013 18:28

I've just had the pleasure to find out how much the British hate the Indians.

There is some major Khujli there.

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Postby eklavya » 02 Feb 2013 19:38

Interesting article by Patrick French:

The truth about Mahatma Gandhi: he was a wily operator, not India’s smiling saint

Gandhi’s genuine achievement as a political leader in India was to create a new form of protest, a mass public assertion which could, in the right circumstances, change history. It depended ultimately on a responsive government. He figured, from what he knew of British democracy, that the House of Commons would only be willing to suppress uprisings to a limited degree before conceding. If he had faced a different opponent, he would have had a different fate. When the former Viceroy of India, Lord Halifax, saw Adolf Hitler in 1938, the Führer suggested that he have Gandhi shot; and that if nationalist protests continued, members of the Indian National Congress should be killed in increments of 200.

For other Indian leaders who opposed Gandhi, he could be a fiendish opponent. His claim to represent “in his person” all the oppressed castes of India outraged the Dalit leader Dr BR Ambedkar. Gandhi even told him that they were not permitted to join his association to abolish untouchability. “You owe nothing to the debtors, and therefore, so far as this board is concerned, the initiative has to come from the debtors.” Who could argue with Gandhi the lawyer? The whole object of this proposal, Ambedkar responded angrily, “is to create a slave mentality among the Untouchables towards their Hindu masters”.

Although Gandhi may have looked like a saint, in an outfit designed to represent the poor of rural India, he was above all a wily operator and tactician. Having lived in Britain and South Africa, he was familiar with the system that he was attempting to subvert. He knew how to undermine the British, when to press an advantage and when to withdraw. Little wonder that one British provincial governor described Mr Gandhi as being as “cunning as a cartload of monkeys”.

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Postby member_22872 » 02 Feb 2013 19:59

World Hijab Day calls on non-Muslim women to try out life under the traditional head scarf. Can it lead to more religious tolerance and understanding?


I concur with Rajesh ji, what tolerance and what understanding? understanding of "Islam"? but not understanding of kafur religions by muslims? tolerance of Islam by kafurs? but the other way is not necessary? BTW let's keep Rajiv Malhotra's argument in perspective. Why tolerance? why not *respect* for other religions? you tolerate bad odor, bad food etc, when it is inconvenient yet you somehow live it by tolerating it.

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Postby eklavya » 03 Feb 2013 01:52

'Traces of pork DNA' found in halal prison meat

Tim Lang, professor of food policy at City University, said the horse burger incident two weeks ago and this latest one demonstrated the complexity of the food chain.



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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby harbans » 03 Feb 2013 02:11

BTW let's keep Rajiv Malhotra's argument in perspective. Why tolerance? why not *respect* for other religions?


I am not sure i get you here. I can tolerate something idiotic, but respect? No way. I feel it should be the other way around.

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Postby Haresh » 03 Feb 2013 02:24

RajeshA,

Don't take that site to seriously, the arrse website is for soldiers/military, they get alot of BNP types posting on there. They love to wind people up.

The British gutter press have been winding up the Brit population into an anti Indian frenzy. The Daily Mail has on average at least one, normally more negative stories about India per week.

I don't think the majority of educated Brits hate Indians.
Britains delusions about it's place on the world stage are sinking fast, all they can do is talk about the past empire.
Well you know what they say? "The past is another country"
THe comment threads on these type of boards are infiltrated with BNP types, they have a policy of doing this, they are quite media savvy.

Britain is in deep $hit, we have this foolish welfare state, you do not have to contribute to it, so the feckless take advantage of it, I give it five years and they will have to take some drastic action. THey will be gratefull for India/Indians then, because their former colonies will be the ones investing.

Don't let it bother you, I have lived here all my life, never had any real problems.

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Postby RajeshA » 03 Feb 2013 02:36

Haresh ji,

I often find forums a good barometer of public opinion perhaps not statistically representative but certainly one gets to know how people truly feel, though each one feels something with a different intensity.

I think that there will be a real realization only AFTER Scottish Independence in 2014. British rise started with the political union between England and Scotland and their partition is also what is going to seal England's demise.

I really hope the Indians in Britain do their utmost to see Scottish Independence through. It would give the Indians a lot more influence later on.

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Postby Prem » 03 Feb 2013 02:44

RajeshA wrote:Haresh ji,

I often find forums a good barometer of public opinion perhaps not statistically representative but certainly one gets to know how people truly feel, though each one feels something with a different intensity.I think that there will be a real realization only AFTER Scottish Independence in 2014. British rise started with the political union between England and Scotland and their partition is also what is going to seal England's demise.I really hope the Indians in Britain do their utmost to see Scottish Independence through. It would give the Indians a lot more influence later on.

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Extend this policy to the continent and turn Euro Into Bhuro.
BWO=Bhura World Order sans border is in order .

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Postby lakshmikanth » 03 Feb 2013 03:01

RajeshA sir,

I was going to say give it a decade and see where we really are at. But then with INC goons at the helm, I really dont know if we would be out of the deep $hit we are in while briturdstan falls into deeper $hit.

This is also given that UPA3 is a firm possibility.

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Postby eklavya » 03 Feb 2013 03:08

Scottish independence: Support 'lowest since devolution'

Support for Scottish independence is at its lowest level since the creation of the Holyrood parliament in 1999, a survey has suggested.

A total of 23% of people who took part in the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey said they favoured independence


RajeshA has a lot of work to do!

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Postby RajeshA » 03 Feb 2013 03:09

lakshmikanth ji,

Britains fall is simply the law of gravity, but our rise is hampered by low quality INC engines.

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Postby RajeshA » 03 Feb 2013 03:12

eklavya wrote:
Scottish independence: Support 'lowest since devolution'

Support for Scottish independence is at its lowest level since the creation of the Holyrood parliament in 1999, a survey has suggested.

A total of 23% of people who took part in the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey said they favoured independence


RajeshA has a lot of work to do!

eklavya ji,

I have read those figures. However one would have to see how the devo-max constituency really tilts. Till now much of "Yes Campaign" was all about getting the referendum on the road. The campaign still has not really started to make a case in front of the people about the merits. That is going to get going now! Then the poll figures too would change.

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Postby eklavya » 03 Feb 2013 03:23

The devo-max constituency can be satisfied within the UK; see for example:

Support for Scottish independence slumps to lowest level since devolution
The study found that support for greater powers for the Scottish parliament within the UK, including control over welfare and taxation, appears to have grown as the most popular option. It said 56% wanted to run taxation and 64% the welfare system. Two-thirds want Holyrood to control nearly all Scotland's affairs.

Those findings will intensify pressure on Scottish Labour, as the main opposition party, to produce detailed plans for greater devolution as an alternative to independence, well before the 2014 referendum


The referendum question will be about 'independence' not 'devolution':

Scottish government changes wording of independence referendum question
Scotland's 4 million voters will be given a new, shorter question on independence in next year's referendum after Alex Salmond's government accepted criticisms from the Electoral Commission.

His deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, said the government was "delighted" with the commission's revised question: "Should Scotland be an independent country? Yes/No," and was also happy to accept the proposed spending limits for next year's campaign.

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Postby RajeshA » 03 Feb 2013 03:50

eklavya ji,

Since the devo-max option is not available in the referendum, the people will have to choose - independence or union. Even if the Unionists or "Better Together" Campaign do make concrete suggestions to devo-max for post-2014 scene before the referendum, those can be criticized and rejected for not going far enough.

Alex Salmond is himself a centrist figure and he wants to keep the monarchy, common currency, etc. but he also wants to cut on nuclear plants in Scotland, on nuclear weapons based in Scotland, etc. Then there is the issue of economics, about North Sea Oil, etc. All that would be hard to accommodate in the devo-max option.

This is going to be a campaign between Fear and Hope!


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Postby member_22872 » 03 Feb 2013 06:22

Harbans ji,

I think you misunderstood me. Rajiv Malhotra ji makes a counter argument with regards to respect when the west stresses that all religions should tolerate each other as in the original post. He observes that toleration of one religion mainly Dharmic ones by history-centric ones is like according secondary status. As toleration is limiting in scope. You tolerate something obnoxious, you wish that irritant to go away but when you can't wish away, you somehow tolerate it and live with it in a very delicate quasi-peaceful state in the case of religions. This quasi-peaceful state that west aspiring through religious tolerance, is not natural one, but one that has latent hatred which is covered up like ash covers amber.

Instead of tolerance, he thinks there should be inter-religious respect. He also stresses that in Hindu/Dharmic philosophies this respect for others point of view, others religions is already built in as Indians since several hundred centuries have accommodated history centric religions and even accorded same status. While history-centric religions have never done that to any religion. As each of the history-centric religion people think at certain point of time, God has chosen them and them alone to bestow them the MFP (most favored people) status, this made them uncompromising and even violent over years. Hence they cannot agree to accord equal respect to other religions but can try to be tolerant at the best.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 03 Feb 2013 07:25

Haresh wrote:Britain is in deep $hit, we have this foolish welfare state, you do not have to contribute to it, so the feckless take advantage of it, I give it five years and they will have to take some drastic action.


Since I know nothing about UK other than Wikipedia articles, let me ask you a question regarding the economic situation. Wiki articles state that UK's per-capita is about $35K which is close to that of the US. This is an increase from the past and is really fantastic (for the Brits). If one looks at various sectors that are contributing to their growing GDP, North Sea oil's contribution is not that high relatively speaking. There seems to be quite a bit of diversity in their economic portfolio. How do I square that reality with your above statement? Thanks.

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Postby eklavya » 03 Feb 2013 13:05

Matrimc, the UK is running v high budget deficits and real GDP growth is negative. However, the unemployment rate has started to come down and the stock market has picked up, which may mean better outlook for the future:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special_reports/uk_economy/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

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Postby Haresh » 03 Feb 2013 17:11

matrimc,

You are right there is a "quite a bit of diversity in their economic portfolio"
I am no economics expert, and it is to early in the day in the UK to do any detailed research.

The welfare state and the mindset it engenders is bleeding the UK dry.
Single mothers are placed on priority lists for housing and get every available financial benifit, the bill runs into billions.
A certain class of the population has easily figured out how to get a "free of cost" life, just get pregnant. No husband or family needed, the state pays. This has led to a huge rise is children without fathers, I know you will all love what I am about to write next....................

The UK is a nation of ********.

The children of such families grow up by and large ill educated/skilled and are a huge burden.

We have a "non-contributary welfare benefit" you do not have to contribute a penny, so ill educated school leavers draw this money and it does become quite a cushy lifestyle. The idea that you can get "Something for nothing" is encouraged.
Our politicians (Labour) encourage this, because they can get votes from these people, they are a voting block.

The UK may have "quite a bit of diversity in their economic portfolio" however large numbers of the middle classes are leaving because of taxation burdens and the general quality of life.
The answer of the government is to tax us even more.

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Postby Haresh » 03 Feb 2013 17:28

The UK is a nation of 8astards, that's what I meant!!

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Postby Vayutuvan » 03 Feb 2013 22:19

I thought you wanted to say "UK is a natio of shopkeepers" :wink:

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Postby Haresh » 04 Feb 2013 19:43

matrimc,

This is a small (or big and fat) example of the lunacy that the NHS/welfare state has become.
These people cost £5 (five) billion per year. :((

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2Jvic4X9W
:rotfl:

Think twice before you eat that jalebi!! :rotfl:

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby Singha » 04 Feb 2013 19:49

there is such a tribe in the US as well, always on some type of "disability" and very sharp in how to milk the govt and exploiting any angles.
there are TV spy pgms that show officially invalid people having beer and walking around on their lawn in daily life, while using a wheelchair to show up and collect the money heh heh.

if the GOTUS wants they can crack down on such practices, but probably hiring the staff needed to shut that down would cost more, so they dont.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby brihaspati » 05 Feb 2013 01:03

Haresh ji,
by "educated" British, do you mean literate British or at least school "completers"? By such criteria, and official school enrollment policies - absolute majority of the Brit population should be deemed 'educated".

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby brihaspati » 05 Feb 2013 01:13

How about this pointer to a gloriously upcoming economy? The Romanians have apparently responded with fun counter-ads. But should we wait for the literary quality of the negative ads as and when they come up? Maybe, their literary quality would make them immensely appreciable even if some find it racist! After all they are not Nazis, hence the logic about not knowing or not appreciating Nazi literateurs do not apply.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/27/uk-immigration-romania-bulgaria-ministers?intcmp=239
Please don't come to Britain – it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid. Ministers are considering launching a negative advertising campaign in Bulgaria and Romania to persuade potential immigrants to stay away from the UK.

The plan, which would focus on the downsides of British life, is one of a range of potential measures to stem immigration to Britain next year when curbs imposed on both country's citizens living and working in the UK will expire.

A report over the weekend quoted one minister saying that such a negative advert would "correct the impression that the streets here are paved with gold".

There was no word on how any advert might look or whether it would use the strategy of making Britain look as horrible as possible or try to encourage would-be migrants to wake up to the joys of their own countries whether Romania's Carpathian mountains or Bulgaria's Black Sea resorts. With governments around the world spending millions on hiring London-based consultants to undertake "reputation laundering" there would be a peculiar irony if Britain chose to trash its own image perhaps by highlighting winter flooding of homes or the carnage of a Saturday night A&E ward.

There are precedents. In 2007, Eurostar ran adverts in Belgium for its trains to London depicting a tattooed skinhead urinating into a china teacup. It remains unknown if any discussions have taken place over personalities who could carry off a similar exercise in anti-nation branding.

On Sunday a Downing Street source said: "It is true that options are being looked at but we are not commenting on the specific things mentioned ... as obviously it is an ongoing process and we will bring forward any proposals in due course."

The source also said that the government did not think the rule changes would necessarily bring a big influx of people, since Romanians have closer links to Germany and Italy rather than Britain.

Other reported options include making it tougher for EU migrants to access public services. Another is to deport those who move to Britain but do not find work within three months.

The Home Office has not produced an official estimate of how many of the 29 million Romanian and Bulgarian citizens will take advantage of their new freedoms when controls are lifted.

Campaign groups such as MigrationWatch have predicted that 250,000 will come from both countries over the next five years, although these figures are disputed. One Tory MP, Philip Hollobone, has claimed that Romanian and Bulgarian communities will treble to 425,000 within two years.

These figures have been questioned by experts, because they are based upon the numbers of Poles and Czechs who moved to Britain in in 2004. Then, only three countries opened their borders. This time, all of the 25 EU states will lift Labour market restrictions.

Buoyed by Cameron's offer of an in-out referendum, a growing number of Tory MPs now believe the UK should block the lifting of restrictions even if it were to prompt a row with the European commission.

The idea, however tentative, appears to clash with the billions of pounds Britain spent on the Olympics, partly to drive up the country's reputation. It also emerged as the Home Office launched a guide to Britishness for foreigners who would be citizens which opens with the words: "Britain is a fantastic place to live: a modern thriving society".

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby Rony » 05 Feb 2013 01:17

India takes dim view of British bid to broker Af-Pak strategic pact

India is taking a dim view of British efforts to push through a strategic partnership agreement between Afghanistan and Pakistan as British PM David Cameron played host to Asif Ali Zardari and Hamid Karzai at his country residence, Chequers.

India's peeve stems from its firm belief that the UK is looking at the Afghanistan issue from a Pakistani point of view, without involving countries like India into it. Cameron announced on Monday that Afghanistan and Pakistan would sign a strategic partnership agreement by this autumn. As Cameron prepares to visit here later this year, this issue is expected to feature in high-level discussions with the Indian leadership.

India also remains deeply skeptical of British interests and intentions in this region. While India and the US have now established deep contacts on their activities in Afghanistan, including a trilateral format dialogue with Afghanistan, New Delhi has no such interaction with London on an issue that affects Indian interests deeply.

This has led to greater suspicion of the UK's activities particularly because they seem to be placing Pakistan at the centre of a peace deal, when Islamabad remains one of the prime sponsors of the Taliban. Senior Taliban leaders are given safe haven by Pakistan, and any peace resolution in Afghanistan includes bringing the Taliban into the power structure in Kabul.

This has obviously found resonance in London. Indian and US officials say British interlocutors had a big role in the drafting of the five-point peace process roadmap for Afghanistan which again places Pakistan front and centre of any deal. Sources here said Karzai has expressed apprehension with any such plan, but his vulnerability next year is leading him to clutch at straws, including Pakistan, despite being painfully aware of the Taliban influence.

India worries that British intervention could result in a hastily-cobbled deal between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which would give the NATO powers a fig leaf for their departure from Afghanistan.

But a poorly crafted peace resolution, with exit as the goal, may not be the best thing for a post-exit peace. For many Indians the memories of 1947, and the British departure from the sub-continent leaving behind unbridled blood-letting has deepened skepticism of the British initiative
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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby eklavya » 05 Feb 2013 03:58

The Romanians and Bulgarians will certainly come, no matter how good or bad the ads. The economic reality is that London and SE England offer the most dynamic economy in Europe with a flexible labour market. Parts of Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland may have a better economy than London and the South East, but their job markets are not flexible, and offer fewer opportunities to immigrants.

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Re: Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Postby ramana » 05 Feb 2013 05:11

Interesting how the English treated the dead body of Richard III

Researchers confirm skeleton is that of Richard III


Maybe Pakis learnt a lot from them..


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