The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

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The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby James B » 22 Aug 2011 21:53

Link to the previous version of the thread.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby James B » 22 Aug 2011 21:56

Muslim bodies back Anna's cause

Muslims who have largely stayed away from Anna Hazare's movement so far, are now likely to take part in it following the celebrated Islamic seminary, Darul Uloom, Deoband, coming out in its support and Imarat Shariah, a highly respected religious body of Bihar, also supporting the issues raised by the Gandhian leader.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby James B » 22 Aug 2011 21:57

Sri Sri Ravishankar meets NDA leaders, solicits support for Hazare's demands

Sri Sri Ravishankar on Monday met NDA leaders on behalf of Anna Hazare at senior BJP leader L K Advani's residence to discuss the Lokpal issue.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby AdityaM » 22 Aug 2011 22:00

Muppalla wrote:It is a war of credibility and the future repercussions could be:
(1) If Anna does not start a party the votes will still go to BJP as madness is against UPA. We may see an anti-UPA wave in North and Western India.
(2) If Anna starts a party it could be Anna as PM and NDA as coalition it it. Though it is a long shot I see a possibility as BJP did not want to declare a PM candidate.
(3) If Anna or any of this team plays games to accomodate UPA, BJP may declare Namo as PM as he has the anti-corruption credibility in the ITVty crowds.

point 2 is incorrect, since if Anna starts a party, anti-kangress vote will split & kangress will be back in power

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Altair » 22 Aug 2011 22:03

OR
Important political and non-political leaders staying away from Lokpal bill is a signal that there is going to be a new game dynamic to be introduced very soon.
It could be arrival of Raul Maino or Edvige Antonia Albina Maino or both synchronized to the national mood for maximum benefit. The media will give the necessary coverage. It would culminate the "Public ko choothiya banao" campaign.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Muppalla » 22 Aug 2011 22:17

Altair wrote:Confirmed First Hand Information:
APJ Abdul Kalam is supporting AH. His PA is directing the efforts under his orders.


Let him be the President again as a first step. He should be sponsored as a joint opposition candidate again and there is a real chance of winning.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Muppalla » 22 Aug 2011 22:21

AdityaM wrote:
Muppalla wrote:It is a war of credibility and the future repercussions could be:
(1) If Anna does not start a party the votes will still go to BJP as madness is against UPA. We may see an anti-UPA wave in North and Western India.
(2) If Anna starts a party it could be Anna as PM and NDA as coalition it it. Though it is a long shot I see a possibility as BJP did not want to declare a PM candidate.
(3) If Anna or any of this team plays games to accomodate UPA, BJP may declare Namo as PM as he has the anti-corruption credibility in the ITVty crowds.

point 2 is incorrect, since if Anna starts a party, anti-kangress vote will split & kangress will be back in power


There are two probabilities:

(1) BJP with Namo as PM candidate can go after Anna saying he is equivalant to Chiru types to help UPA comeback to power. The mood is definitely anti-UPA and an independent Ann party may not fly.

(2) He can negotiate with NDA

The best bet for him is to not launch political party to be credible and continue his crusade.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Altair » 22 Aug 2011 22:22

Muppalla wrote:
Altair wrote:Confirmed First Hand Information:
APJ Abdul Kalam is supporting AH. His PA is directing the efforts under his orders.


Let him be the President again as a first step. He should be sponsored as a joint opposition candidate again and there is a real chance of winning.


And do what exactly after he becomes the President?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Singha » 22 Aug 2011 22:23

SG is imo either really ill and unable to intervene (in her absense the vaunted GHQ degenerates into a uncontrolled band of simians), or SG is busy doing inventory of offshore INC assets and sealing up loose ends for the coming war of exposes and counter-exposes or this is all a grand CT plan to first let the situation escalate and then a magnanimous and grand gesture led by RG, who might himself go to ram lila maidan and offer a glass of fruit juice to break the fast....to the cheers of millions.

this third CT option cannot be ruled out at this stage yet. time will tell.

btw 21 Andhra MLA's loyal to YSR's son, have resigned to protest against inclusion of YSRs name in the CBI chargesheet served to his son.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 22 Aug 2011 22:25

Reg. RMehta ji
He is actively involved and fighting his Dharam Yudh with the concentration of a Sidhha. I get 3-5 updates a day from him. 8)

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby RamaY » 22 Aug 2011 22:30

Premji, convey my regards to Rahul Mehta.

RM brought the whole corruption crusade to BRF, well ahead of BR and AH. IIRC, he was banned for genuine reasons and not for his opinions, however unconventional they are.

We would have gotten much more insight if he were to be here, mainly because this issue is very close to his heart.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Singha » 22 Aug 2011 22:31

God bless him - he was a soldier and I guess still is.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Altair » 22 Aug 2011 22:31

Singha wrote:SG is imo either really ill and unable to intervene (in her absense the vaunted GHQ degenerates into a uncontrolled band of simians),


:rotfl: :rotfl:

But Senior Congress people have been good boys in the last couple of days. No media mouthing. That tells us something.

or SG is busy doing inventory of offshore INC assets and sealing up loose ends for the coming war of exposes and counter-exposes

I think it can be safely ruled out. It would be too naive to attempt in the world of WikiLeaks and media spotlight.

or this is all a grand CT plan to first let the situation escalate and then a magnanimous and grand gesture led by RG, who might himself go to ram lila maidan and offer a glass of fruit juice to break the fast....to the cheers of millions.

this third CT option cannot be ruled out at this stage yet. time will tell.

That was my CT in the last dhaga. :(( :((
It is the best one tooo :mrgreen:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Singha » 22 Aug 2011 22:34

already team anna says they will talk only with PM ( fair enough ) or with RG ( officially just a AICC gen secy, and a vanilla MP).

so either both could be in co-ordination or RG has successfully created the impression that he holds the key to problem and a 'soft corner' to team anna. both possibilities are not good.

the battlefield is being shaped into a situation where RG cannot lose, and has a lot to gain - a grand gesture that firmly establishes him as the 'new go-to guy' in the INC, sidelines MMS for good and sets up his PM candidacy for 2014. 8) he need a signature issue to make the grand entrance and this is it.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 22 Aug 2011 22:39

RG should not go to meet Anna . Aam janta is mad and no one can guaranate that people wont loose control over their shoes ,feet and fists.Any retaliation by RG's bodyguards will lead to greater bloodshed and Khatm -e-Khandan from Indian politics. Its too risky a move.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby gakakkad » 22 Aug 2011 22:47

Anyone from texas or maryland ? I had some info that some vvip of foreign country (gender not known) apparently has some rare tumour , and is under some experimental therapy at howard hughes MD or UT dallas Tx . Usual means of treatment were exhausted. No further info available as to which tumour it was or who the vvip was. If anyone has any contact with these insti's it would be great.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Mahendra » 22 Aug 2011 22:59

GKji

I suggest you delete your post in your own interest.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby IndraD » 22 Aug 2011 23:22

There is mystery regarding SG heatlh , our area of interest is if congress will suffer a damage in her absence, which seems to be the case.

On doing some research it is apparent she will not be able to help the party for some time at least.

Sonia Gandhi suffering from a serious cancer-telegraph UK

A source close to the family said although her condition is "serious," friends and relatives were optimistic because she has remained otherwise fit.

she had been receiving treatment for an unspecified cancer for at least eight months

she is being treated in New York's Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre, which sources close to the family said had treated her earlier.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby RamaY » 22 Aug 2011 23:22

Support for AH movement in Rayalam, W|G|DT, AP > 850ft long National Flag.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 22 Aug 2011 23:24

Marten ji,
Let this doubt be seeded in Congressi brain which cant think beyond personal issues. :wink:
Only an honest man, not fearful of crowd will dare to go alone and meet Anna in Sarre-bazaar and talk about the supremacy of Indian national interests in running government .
Congress dont have one such honest person who is not compromised one way or other. Munna cant break this logjam with Anna, it require a neutral party to intervene.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby gakakkad » 22 Aug 2011 23:30

yeah.. sorry about that..sometimes I get carried away by my dislike for them.....

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby AdityaM » 22 Aug 2011 23:48

SGs flight was very well timed. helps that she is out of focus when hard questions are being asked. perhaps will return as the eleventh hour saviour

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby SwamyG » 22 Aug 2011 23:50

Prem wrote:Marten ji,
Let this doubt be seeded in Congressi brain which cant think beyond personal issues. :wink:
Only an honest man, not fearful of crowd will dare to go alone and meet Anna in Sarre-bazaar and talk about the supremacy of Indian national interests in running government .
Congress dont have one such honest person who is not compromised one way or other. Munna cant break this logjam with Anna, it require a neutral party to intervene.

Before any public meeting of the two; lot of issues would be discussed by handlers on both sides. They will meet only for smiles, exchange of warm wishes and breaking the fast. It is not that RG will go there to discuss various options. It will be a symbolic gesture meant for the crowds, if it happens. Negotiations will happen behind the stage.

ps: In the initial days, there was this talk of letting no politicians on the stage. So if that still holds good, RG will not be allowed on the stage.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Dhiman » 23 Aug 2011 00:03

Seems like MLA's are gradually defecting across political lines to JanLokpal bill. Varun Gandhi, Chandrashekar, and now Priya Dutt (all relatively young). This should be encouraged. The top leadership of political parties will become more and more isolated as their MLA's independently voice their support.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby devesh » 23 Aug 2011 00:10

RamaY garu,

where exactly is that flag march in AP?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby RamaY » 23 Aug 2011 00:12

Rayalam village, near Bhimavaram in West Godavari Dist

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby shyamd » 23 Aug 2011 00:14

This is excellent news. This is India entering into the next phase of its growth. Let the movement grow.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby devaraj_d » 23 Aug 2011 00:17

I am somehow not feeling comfortable that Anna is meeting RG. What is Anna trying to achieve?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby rsingh » 23 Aug 2011 00:22

who said he is meeting RG?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby CRamS » 23 Aug 2011 00:56

I know Adhothi's views were posted earlier, but I don't know if this particular article is

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2379704.ece

She predicts a civil war


This awful crisis has been forged out of the utter failure of India's representative democracy, in which the legislatures are made up of criminals and millionaire politicians who have ceased to represent its people. In which not a single democratic institution is accessible to ordinary people. Do not be fooled by the flag waving. We're watching India being carved up in war for suzerainty that is as deadly as any battle being waged by the warlords of Afghanistan, only with much, much more at stake.


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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Mahendra » 23 Aug 2011 01:08

Does Potty Roy get paid for her farticles or does she pay the newspapers to carry her farticles?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby IndraD » 23 Aug 2011 02:01

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 700622.cms

muslim leaders denounce Imam Bukhari's rant

Delhi's Jamia Masjid chief cleric Syed Ahmed Bukhari has drawn flak from community leaders for asking Muslims to stay away from Anna Hazare's movement.

All India Ulema Council general secretary Maulana Mehmood Daryabadi described Bukhari's appeal as his "personal view". He sarcastically described Bukhari as a royal imam of a mosque that an emperor had built and implied that he did not reflect a common Muslim's view.

Anna will need hospital in 1-2 Day

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 700293.cms

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 23 Aug 2011 02:03

Besieged MMS need advise

Anna bole , Manmohan Suunn,
Kya kahe woh Tumssei
Sunn Suun, Sunn, Sunn. Sunn Sunn.
Baat hai lambi, matlab gole
Khole de woh UPA ke pole.
Phir usske baad,
Sunn sunn,sunn sunn
Kusch aise logg be hote hai
Fraud sei election hotte hai
Gaddhi pei jun woh baithe hai
Tho Aqal ki baat na socche hai

Revolution phir jub aati hai
Tho apni galti pei rotte hai.
Sunn, sunn, sunn sunn,
Anna Bole, sunn sunn sunn sunn.
Government sei logg ghabratte hai
Rishwat dei kaam karwate hai
Lakh crore sei bhi na pait bharta
Abb Aarbo dollar Khatte hai
Anna bole , sunn sunn sunn sunn sunn.

Dho kisma ke neta hotte hai
Ek detta hai ek patah hai
Ek desh ko loot ke khatta hai
Ek desh pei jann lootata hai
Ek mar kar jinda rehta hai
Ek mar kar jeewan patta hai
Ek marra tho naam nishan nahi
Ek Yaadgaar ban jatta hai.

Kismat dekho es Desh ko aise neta milla
Aap bi dooba , Deshbhi dooba orr janta ko bhi lei dooba
Foreinger kaa feet pakar liya, orr gaddhi pei chipak gya
par osske baad
Anna bole,
sunn sunn
Kya kahee yeh tumse,
manmohan Sunn
Sunn sunn sunn sunn.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 23 Aug 2011 04:27

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?732147

The Standing Committee - Notice some of the luminaries - Such is the quality of "Human Resource" that decides the future for the country...

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has insisted more than once in the last two days that the government is open for debate on the Lokpal Bill.

He along with other Congress party members has been reiterating that all those with suggestions or complaints against the The Lokpal Bill, 2011 introduced in Lok Sabha on August 4 should convey their concerns to the Department Related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Personnel, Public Grievances, Law and Justice that is examining the Bill.

It should be noted that all the previous bills had been referred to the Department Related Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home. But since that is headed by BJP's Venkaiah Naidu, the Govt seems to have taken a clear call to refer this bill to the Standing Committee on Personnel, Public Grievances, Law and Justice which is headed by Congress party spokesperson Dr. Abhishek Manu Singhvi on August 8 for examination and report within three months.

This 31-member committee consists of 25 MPs belonging to 22 political parties with 6 seats vacant, as follows: Congress 8, BJP 5, Independents 3 and 1 each from Nominated, LJSP, SDF, RJD, SP, JDU, AIADMK, DMK and BSP members

Congress 8:
Dr. Abhishek Manu Singhvi, Chairman, from Rajya SabhaSmt. Chandresh Kumari, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri N.S.V. Chitthan, Member, Lok Sabha
Smt Deepa Dashmunsi, Member, Lok Sabha
Dr. Prabha Kishore Taviad, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri Manish Tewari, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri P.T. Thomas (Idukki), Member, Lok Sabha
Kumari Meenakshi Natrajan, Member, Lok Sabha

BJP: 5
Shri Balavant alias Bal Apte, Member, Rajya Sabha
Shri D.B. Chandre Gowda, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri Harin Pathak, Member, Lok Sabha
Jyoti Dhurve, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri Devji M. Patel, Member, Lok Sabha

Independents: 3
Shri Parimal Nathwani, Member, Rajya Sabha
Shri Amar Singh, Member, Rajya Sabha
Dr. Kirodi Lal Meena, Member, Lok Sabha

Others: 9
Shri Ram Jethmalani, Nominated. Member, Rajya Sabha
Shri Ram Vilas Paswan, LJSP, Member, Rajya Sabha
Shri O.T. Lepcha, SDF, Member, Rajya Sabha
Shri Lalu Prasad, RJD, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri Shailendra Kumar, SP, Member, Lok Sabha
Dr. Monazir Hassan, JD(U), Member, Lok Sabha
Shri S. Semmalai, AIADMK, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri Vijay Bahadur Singh, BSP, Member, Lok Sabha
Shri R. Thamaraiselvan, DMK, Member, Lok Sabha

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Reddy » 23 Aug 2011 04:48

The biggest problem with this movement is it has become or made synonymous with Anna. I would rather if the cause was kept separate. That way even if Anna succumbs to the dark side the cause will not be lost.

Now i kind of understand why i am getting bad feeling about his whole episode all along. Anna is gathering the core vote bank of opposition (middle class, and moderate minority). This is like leading bali ka bakara to sacrifice. Hope the public don't behave like sheep this time.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby SwamyG » 23 Aug 2011 05:11

To an extent people behave like sheep and only if they behave like sheep can leaders rise and create 'movements'. The sheep mentality is useful for creating some public good too. Right now, I am leaning towards BRFites who are predicting the rise of RG from this movement. IMO, the middle class who have been watching TV and following the rising in Africa and West Asia, see this as some sort of calling. The conditions were ripe, there arose a leader who could capture the imagination of people and the media. Without media's help this movement would have been a also-ran-movement.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby KLNMurthy » 23 Aug 2011 05:24

Muppalla wrote:
Altair wrote:Confirmed First Hand Information:
APJ Abdul Kalam is supporting AH. His PA is directing the efforts under his orders.


Let him be the President again as a first step. He should be sponsored as a joint opposition candidate again and there is a real chance of winning.

Why not as PM candidate? I realize age is a factor but it would change the game and keep the mainos out.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Fidel Guevara » 23 Aug 2011 05:45

Say the worst case happens, and this is the vehicle for RG to come to power in 2014. Assume MMS is sidelined, and Antonia passes away.

Having seen the mood of the people, how likely is RG to allow the Cong to function in the "business as usual" mode? I think he would at least attempt to clean things up somewhat...at least the mega-scams might be less likely.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby RamaY » 23 Aug 2011 05:53

^ That is like saying Duryodhan gives up his kimgdom to Pandavas after Uttar Gow-Grahan episode.


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