The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby svinayak » 20 Nov 2011 13:00

Yeddy got bail due to one lawyer. I know somebody whose family member was the lawyer.

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Postby Pranay » 20 Nov 2011 23:37

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=741939

It's amazing and sad to see how many people stand for "status quo" and do not want to have a strong piece of legislation that will stem the tide of corruption in the country.

The Prime Minister and the higher judiciary should be kept out of the ambit of the Lokpal, according to leading business chambers body Assocham which will launch a media campaign on the issue from tomorrow.

With the Lokpal bill a priority agenda of the government in the winter session of Parliament, the industry body has suggested "the Prime Minister be kept outside the purview of the Lokpal."

Assocham is the first chamber to launch the initiative while all other industry bodies had generally hailed the anti-corruption agitation launched by Anna Hazare seeking a strong Lokpal bill.

However, Assocham said, a mechanism could be devised to scrutinise the PMO's discretionary or commercial decisions without undermining the independence of the institution.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby vijayk » 21 Nov 2011 02:35

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/buzzword
Priyanka shouldering Sonia work
Priyanka Vadra has started shouldering a major part of Sonia Gandhi's work even as Rahul Gandhi is shy of taking on additional responsibilities. Priyanka has started living in 10 Janpath for all practical purposes. She comes in the morning and leaves in the evening. On weekends she comes with her children. She is screening the Congress candidates for Uttar Pradesh Assembly elections after Rahul refused to do the job. When Ashok Gehlot landed in trouble it was Priyanka who got him a reprieve. Gehlot was camping in Delhi but Sonia Gandhi was refusing to meet him. So he met Priyanka to complain against Union Minister of State for Home Jitendra Singh. He is supposed to have told her that Singh was creating problems for him; that Singh took Rahul to riot-affected Gopalgarh without informing him. He said, Singh was trying to give the impression that Rahul was upset with the Rajasthan Chief Minister. Convinced with his arguments, Priyanka organised his meeting with Mrs Gandhi. Priyanka, already the executive director of the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation, is supposed to be officiating in her mother's place. She is spending a lot of time at the RGF. She is also communicating between Prime Minister's personal secretary Pulok Chatterjee and her mother.

Looks like this family business trump even hard core Patel motel business. It is all in the family.

Mama Sonia camps in 10 janpath during elections. swamy says maino sisters are benami Swiss account holders running business.

Loser beta has bimbo eruptions once in a while and then ydozes.
Now priyanka vadra is taking over backseat driving business of the mama Sonia.

It's all like mama, beta, beti, aunties, grandma business.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby sum » 21 Nov 2011 09:49

^^ It will be a surprise if Priyanka's children haven't been assigned the job of screening INC youth leaders list by now!!!

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Rishirishi » 21 Nov 2011 23:53

It may be for the best. Only Indira Gandhi has show real guts in the family. Nehru was the dreamer, Rajiv was the pilot who did not understand anything. Rahul is not even capable to face the public or even debate. At most he will turn up with a paid gang, make some prewritten statement and someone in the ang will shout "Rahul Gandhi Jinnnndabad"......

Maybe Priyanka has the spine??

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 22 Nov 2011 01:52

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 815701.cms

Looks like things are going to come to a head pretty soon...

Accusing the government of reducing the proposed Lokpal to an "empty tin box with no powers", Team Anna on Monday said they were surprised at the move to exclude Citizen's Charter and lower bureaucracy from the ambit of the ombudsman, contrary to a Parliament resolution.

"The government proposes to remove CBI, judiciary, citizen charter, whistle blower protection, Group C and Group D employees and CBI from Lokpal jurisdiction. Wouldn't that reduce Lokpal to an empty tin box with no powers and functions?" a Team Anna statement said.

The statement said Anna Hazare suspended his fast in August on the basis of a resolution passed by Parliament which was termed as 'Sense of House' by some people but was referred to as a 'resolution' by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in his letter to the Gandhian.

"This resolution clearly stated that three issues would be addressed through the Lokpal Bill namely Lokayuktas in states would be created through the same bill and lower bureaucracy and citizens charter would be included in the Lokpal Bill.

"However we are surprised that contrary to that resolution, the government proposes to exclude citizen charter and lower bureaucracy from Lokpal's jurisdiction and bring a weak and ineffective bill to deal with citizens grievances," it said noting that the reports filtering out of Standing Committee discussions were a cause of concern.

Demanding inclusion of Group C and D employees under the ambit of Lokpal, Team Anna said they strongly oppose the move to exclude the lower bureaucracy.

"Would this mean that they could indulge in corruption and they would not be investigated by any agency? Aren't we giving them a license to indulge in corruption? A common man has to deal with Group C and Group D employees on a daily basis. Lakhs of people who participated in this anti-corruption movement wanted a solution to this day to day corruption," they said.

On the issue of keeping CBI out of Lokpal's control, Team Anna said the Standing Committee proposal on the agency would reduce Lokpal to merely a post office - receive complaints, forward it to CBI, receive CBI's report and present it before the court.

They also demanded that criminal investigation of judges, which has been left out of Judicial Accountability Bill, should now be included in the Lokpal Bill.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby habal » 22 Nov 2011 08:17

Group C & D do the dirty work of interacting with the masses and collecting money on behalf of Group A. So that Group A has it's hands clean. So Lok Pal will have jurisdiction on the clean hands Group A, who are IAS babus and do not directly take any bribes anyway.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Philip » 22 Nov 2011 08:58

Guys....puhlease! Give Rajiv his due,It was he who swiftly crushed the attempted coup in the Maldives,putting his premiership in the line,who sent in the IPKF into Lanka to keep the peace and when the LTTE betrayed India's good intentions "tamed the tiger",at grievous cost though,but in such manner that elections were held in the N-East and a pro-India Tamil leader elected.It was the disgraceful royal parvenu,VP Singh,whose ambitions and anti-national actions still reverberate today.Mandal,Bofors-no new artillery yet for the IA,German sub building scuttled thanks to his HDW charges,now found false by the courts, and worst of all bringing back the IPKF without honour and abandoning the promises and guarantees given to India by the GOSL of the time,that set back India after Rajiv gave it a new positive posture in global affairs.Rajiv also brought peace to Punjab through the accord with Sant Longewal.True,he had faultss,but his sincerity was obvious,as was his plan for global nuclear disarmament,scuttle by the "Pig 5".

Democracy in India is returning to its feudal roots,its all "mom and pop", just like the old wedding invitations,"family and friends" on the cover.If you have the Nerhu-Gandhi dynasty in Delhi,aped by any number of political families in the north,you have the Pawar dynasty in Maharashtra,the Karunanidhi-Maran "joint family" in Madras ,the "D.Gowda and Son" emporium in Bangalore,and the numerous "ever-Reddys" of AP and Bellary! At least in Orissa,Patnaik Jr. is perhaps least controversial of all dynastic deities.So gentlemen,join the crowd!

Coming back on track,the AH movement is at a low ebb due to the many egos at work within it.For one Kejriwal must speak less and smile more.In fact he should go on "maun" and not AH.His longwinded speeches are the sure cure for insomnia.Bedi is better on chat shows,she has better "cut and thrust" debating abilities.Nevertheless,the AH movement is not dead or about to be cremated.It is pausing to take breath and stock of the situ. Its failings are miniscule when compared with the mega-looting of the nation by the cronies of a man supposed to be a money expert,one Dr.Singh,also supposedly "leader of the nation",custodian of its wealth,best seen confabulating abroad with his western cronies and pontificating and prescribing the virtues off economic chastity to a bunch of mountebanks and economic-rapists who have invaded the country and are scooting off with India's family silver through FDI !

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 22 Nov 2011 22:17

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 826413.cms

Anna Hazare returned to blogging on Tuesday, a fortnight after he fell out with his former blogger, whom he accused of airing his views without his authorisation.

In his new blog, Hazare introduced a fresh agenda -- development of 100 model villages to curb corruption -- apart from the Jan Lokpal Bill, electoral reforms and decentralisation of power.

For developing 100 model villages, Hazare said they need to involve industrialists with "good character", who are willing to serve the country as some helped Mahatma Gandhi during the freedom struggle.

His new blog postings can be read on annahazaresays.indiaagainstcorruption.org and the first posting was about curbing corruption and developing model villages.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby vishvak » 23 Nov 2011 12:35

Philip wrote:If you have the Nerhu-Gandhi dynasty in Delhi,aped by any number of political families in the north,you have the Pawar dynasty in Maharashtra,the Karunanidhi-Maran "joint family" in Madras ,the "D.Gowda and Son" emporium in Bangalore,and the numerous "ever-Reddys" of AP and Bellary! At least in Orissa,Patnaik Jr. is perhaps least controversial of all dynastic deities.So gentlemen,join the crowd!

The political-apeism has therefore first family as its crowning glory. Its a jungle (made) out there in the name of secularism. Guess who is CM of secular J&K? Another dynasty in the wall of political-apeism.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby niran » 23 Nov 2011 13:49

Rishirishi wrote:
Maybe Priyanka has the spine??

someone with Spine do not hide behind droogs & spirit, no?

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 23 Nov 2011 19:17

A detailed debate on the contours of an effective Lokpal Bill - in Hindi (Arvind Kejrwal, Kiran Bedi, Prashant Bhushan, etc.).

http://khabar.ndtv.com/PlayVideo.aspx?i ... ce=message

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Postby Pranay » 23 Nov 2011 22:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myrnEYxu9ps

BBC World Debate - Corruption in India (Kiran Bedi, Adi Godrej, Ashwani Kumar, etc)

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Aditya_V » 24 Nov 2011 11:20

Lokayukta: Find a person above board, says Governor

Mr. Bhardwaj, who has rejected former Kerala Chief Justice S R Bannurmath’s name, said he needs to make the appointment after a lot of consideration as Lokayukta is a “very important institution”, relating to probity and anti-corruption.

Mr. Bhardwaj, often at loggerheads with BJP government, said “Let them appoint Justice (Santosh) Hegde again. I will sign in a minute. Let them appoint any judge who is above board.”


So Bhardwaj has called Kerala CHeif Justice as a crook and only Santosh Hedge is Kosher, this does not smell right.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby sanjeevpunj » 24 Nov 2011 18:32

At last someone has lashed out on India's prized corrupt bull - Sharad Pawar. Harvinder Singh earlier known for having slapped Sukhram, has now done it again.His reason for slapping Sharad Pawar is Minister's inability to curb rising prices.The minister has been known for his slippery ways ever since Anna came to the forefront.He has avoided the eye of the media, but this time he was not able to ward off the slap.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby chaanakya » 24 Nov 2011 19:07

Lest us not encourage such actions , however right it may seem at times.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Vasu » 24 Nov 2011 19:30

We all wish we could do it, now that somebody has done it, I have only heard everybody around celebrating it.

As expected, his NCP minions in Mumbai have gone into the reclaim pride mode by blocking traffic and shutting down business areas.

Even Mr. Hazare asked, "only once?"

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Vikas » 24 Nov 2011 19:38

This is not a good trend of assaulting public figures as much as we want to. Tomorrow the slap can be on your favorite leader (Pick your name).
Better not to stand up and cheer for such a guy.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby SBajwa » 24 Nov 2011 20:14

Vikas!

Harvinder Singh says this on TV (I just heard it). "Today on the martyrdom day of Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur ji I slapped a person who has given us nothing but "Ghotala", I will do it again and again since Guru Gobind singh says "Sawa Lakh se aik ladaoun tabhe gobind singh naam kahaoun".

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby SBajwa » 24 Nov 2011 20:14

I think he belongs to Hindustan Naujwan Sabha. And I don't understand all the aging Indian leaders (they are all past 75)., why don't they retire!

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby CRamS » 24 Nov 2011 21:03

VikasRaina wrote:This is not a good trend of assaulting public figures as much as we want to. Tomorrow the slap can be on your favorite leader (Pick your name).
Better not to stand up and cheer for such a guy.


I agree, but have MMS, Sonia and their cronies regretted for showing the "bravery" and "courage" in assaulting Baba Ramdev and his followers including women and children?

But I agree, this kind of nonsense should have no place. Because then, the action reaction dynamic sets in, and the hatred levels reach such proportions, that violence will be seen as the only answer. To many, India is this great "mature" emerging power, maybe so, and I hope its true, but to my pessimistic mind, India is just a few steps away from what we saw happen in Libya, a civil war could ensue if this kind of violence persists, that whites will step in and exploit. I am glad Anna Hazare clarified his remark questioning if its only one slap.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby kmkraoind » 24 Nov 2011 22:02

Anna Hazare ready to apologise for remark on Sharad Pawar assault

"He got slapped! Only one slap?" :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Hazare had said to a group of journalists at Ralegan Siddhi when he learnt about the attack on Thursday. But later he condemned the attack.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Surya » 24 Nov 2011 22:03

was in a public place in Mumbai when the news was flashed. everyone wanted Pawar to be slapped some more.

Then his goons came around trying to throw their weight - even they realised there was no sympathy. After 15 minutes of sloganeering they went away.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Murugan » 24 Nov 2011 22:03

CRamS

+1

All parties are coming out to condemn the attack for just one slap on that most hated so called public figure.

While innocent men and women children were sleeping at Ramlila maidan, this tzutia govt ordered crack down in the middle of the night - that is gandhian (?) and anna's comment is non-gandhian! No apology/chest beating/strong condemnation of rajbala's death took place even as a token!

And this drama of idiots in full public gallore!

Rotten rats!

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 24 Nov 2011 22:34

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=742475


Consensus on the inclusion of Prime Minister under the ambit of Lokpal eluded a Parliamentary panel scrutinising the bill even as it prepares to circulate a draft report of the recommendations to the members in the next few days.

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Personnel and Law and Justice scrutinising the Lokpal Bill today ended its internal deliberations with "broad consensus" on most of the issues including giving constitutional status to Lokpal.

While the government wants to give constitutional status to the ombudsman, in a bid to placate the opposition especially the BJP, Team Anna's suggestion that the same bill be used to create Lokayukta in states could also be recommended, sources said.

Government needs opposition's support to bring a constitutional amendment to give the institution a constitutional status.

Former Chief Justice of India J S Verma has told the panel that the same bill can create Lokayuktas in the states without any delay in setting up a constitutional body.

While this particular issue was not discussed today, there is a consensus that Lokpal be a constitutional body and that the constitutional amendment be used to set up Lokayuktas in states, the sources said.

A draft report of the recommendations of the panel could be circulated to the members as early as Monday.

LJP member Ram Vilas Paswan today threatened to stay away from Committee's deliberations on Lokpal Bill if a provision for reservation for SC/ST, women and members of the minority community in the ombudsman's main body is not made in the proposed legislation. :roll:

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Postby RamaY » 24 Nov 2011 22:53

Pranay wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myrnEYxu9ps

BBC World Debate - Corruption in India (Kiran Bedi, Adi Godrej, Ashwani Kumar, etc)


Why are these Dhimmis going for external influence on Indian matters? Don't these Western countries have corruption? Do they know that US congressmen and senators can receive preferential stock allocations and they do that frequently? Do they know that US congress speaker's net worth tripled since she became speaker?

This is like two cats and a monkey scenario. Both cats will lose.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby sanjeevpunj » 25 Nov 2011 08:07

SBajwa wrote:Vikas!

Harvinder Singh says this on TV (I just heard it). "Today on the martyrdom day of Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur ji I slapped a person who has given us nothing but "Ghotala", I will do it again and again since Guru Gobind singh says "Sawa Lakh se aik ladaoun tabhe gobind singh naam kahaoun".

Incidently even the PM said that "Sawa Lakh se Aik Ladaoun Tahbe Gobind Singh Naam Kahaoun" recently some months ago.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby sooraj » 25 Nov 2011 16:00

Sharad Pawar Slap Song - Why this Kolaveri Di ft. Harvinder Singh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIhQm6gcUCw&feature=related

:rotfl:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby johneeG » 25 Nov 2011 17:15

RamaY wrote:
Pranay wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myrnEYxu9ps

BBC World Debate - Corruption in India (Kiran Bedi, Adi Godrej, Ashwani Kumar, etc)


Why are these Dhimmis going for external influence on Indian matters? Don't these Western countries have corruption? Do they know that US congressmen and senators can receive preferential stock allocations and they do that frequently? Do they know that US congress speaker's net worth tripled since she became speaker?

This is like two cats and a monkey scenario. Both cats will lose.


most indians, it seems to me, have no idea of corruption in 'first world' countries. Please bestow the gyan in appropriate thread.

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Postby Pranay » 25 Nov 2011 19:25

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 869809.cms

Tempers ran high at Anna Hazare's native village when NCP supporters descended there to protest his remarks following yesterday's attack on Sharad Pawar, sparking a face-off with locals and anti-graft campaigner's aides.

Hazare, who himself arrived to face the agitated NCP workers, clarified that he had condemned the assault on Pawar, but questioned why were they so agitated over the incident and did not express the same anger when farmers were beaten.

Several slogan-shouting supporters of the NCP, which has called a bandh to protest the incident, had arrived here from adjoining areas, to demand that Hazare express regret over his controversial statement.

As the protesters marched towards the landmark Yadav Baba temple, once the abode of Hazare, the security personnel deployed there stopped them.

Soon, a large number of villagers, including women and children collected at the spot and squatted in front of the demonstrators. The NCP supporters also sat on a dharna.

A police contingent present for providing security to Hazare intervened to calm frayed tempers as the two sides readied for a face-off.

Later, Hazare arrived on the scene and said he had already denounced the attack on NCP president.

"I have already condemned the attack on Sharad Pawar," he told them.

The Gandhian, however, wanted to know why the NCP activists were so agitated over the assault on Pawar.

"Why are you so angry now? Why don't you get angry when the farmers are lathicharged?" Hazare asked.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby somaz » 25 Nov 2011 20:46

chaanakya wrote:Lest us not encourage such actions , however right it may seem at times.


I disagree. In a country of 1.2 Billion people with an paid-up media, no effective political set-up , these kind of expressions are ok .. even if it is against someone I follow.... as a student of Cambodian history believe me these aberrations are benign & is par for the democratic course than deadlier ones that will seem soon seem acceptable given the level of indifference and arrogance exhibited by the ruling class.

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Postby RamaY » 25 Nov 2011 22:53

johneeG wrote:most indians, it seems to me, have no idea of corruption in 'first world' countries. Please bestow the gyan in appropriate thread.


House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's wealth grows 62% to $35.2M
Thursday, June 16, 2011
What recession?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's net worth skyrocketed 62% last year, to a jaw-dropping $35.2 million, according to financial disclosure forms released Wednesday.

Pelosi, the former House speaker, wasn't alone.


60 Minutes Investigates Preferential Favorable Stock Deals Benefiting Congress


Don't remember which one, so please check the October and November Archives... http://maxkeiser.com/archives/

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby johneeG » 26 Nov 2011 00:27

Thanks. Will check it out sometime...

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 26 Nov 2011 00:37

sanjeevpunj wrote:
SBajwa wrote:Vikas!

Harvinder Singh says this on TV (I just heard it). "Today on the martyrdom day of Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur ji I slapped a person who has given us nothing but "Ghotala", I will do it again and again since Guru Gobind singh says "Sawa Lakh se aik ladaoun tabhe gobind singh naam kahaoun".

Incidently even the PM said that "Sawa Lakh se Aik Ladaoun Tahbe Gobind Singh Naam Kahaoun" recently some months ago.


RSS rising again!! RSS=Real Sons of Soil. I am with RSS, I am the RSS.
Time for another team, A tag team with SS =Subramanyam Swamy Plus SSS=Slapping sons of Soil getting
Suffocated by SS=Super Secularists and Deracinated National leadership .
Dawood ka Yaar ,Sharad Pawar,
Very symbol of Brashtachar
Clock is Ticking ,
Din rah ge dho Chaar.

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Postby RamaY » 26 Nov 2011 00:49

2G is all about RSS (Real Sons of Soil) money stolen by INC (Ideological Non-Citizens) and stashed outside (tax heavens) the nation (Bharat).

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 26 Nov 2011 01:02

RamaY wrote:2G is all about RSS (Real Sons of Soil) money stolen by INC (Ideological Non-Citizens) and stashed outside (tax heavens) the nation (Bharat).

The Ideological Non Citizens at the Centre underestimated the import of their action when they sent the attack dogs after RD, ANNA, SS and others. They have repeatedly insulted every symbol and essence of Bharti Rashtra without paying the price. Even MDKC Gandhi made the same mistake assuming the RSS will roll over and die like no body. The arrow of INC, EJ, Sooper Secularist has wounded the heart and soul of Indics and now Rosh / righteous anger will rise only. The slap and Anna's first reaction signify the end of patience as Sabr ka Pyala is full and now starting to spill here and there .

Next Harvinder Singh Incident head line,
Jabbe Baan Laggayo, tabbe Rosh Jagyo!!

MMS and his Coterie will understand this very well.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby johneeG » 26 Nov 2011 01:15

Prem wrote:Even MDKC Gandhi made the same mistake assuming the RSS will roll over and die like no body. The arrow of INC, EJ, Sooper Secularist has wounded the heart and soul of Indics and now Rosh / righteous anger will rise only. The slap and Anna's first reaction signify the end of patience as Sabr ka Pyala is full and now starting to spill here and there .

Next Harvinder Singh Incident head line,
Jabbe Baan Laggayo, tabbe Rosh Jagyo!!

MMS and his Coterie will understand this very well.

MMS has cotorie?! I thought we had Italian lady running the things.

RSS claims to be secular. It wants people to accept Sri Rama and Sri Krishna as equivalent to prophets of abrahamic religion. It talks of all religions being equal. This cant be acceptable to a conservative of any religion(including hindus).

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby sanjeevpunj » 26 Nov 2011 01:17

Non-Violence is definitely not practised by the government, or we would not have had massacres in maoist controlled regions.The government passes on the dirty task of forced control to the Police,CRPF and BSF, and eventually the Army if need be, while politicians speak volumes about non-violence.Slapping a minister may appear preposterous to many parliamentarians, but only a miniscule number of Indians are parliamentarians, the rest of us Indians are ordinary humans who feel for their country and want to do something.They feel frustrated because the politicians do not address the basic needs of the masses.A hungry man does not need lectures on non-violence.He will do anything to get his food, beg borrow or steal is the bottom line.Now if someone comes and slaps the very man who was responsible for hiking up sugarcane and onion prices, and is considered by a large majority of Indians to be the grand old man of corruption, then I do not see his being slapped as a major issue to be discussed in the parliament.I feel Anna is just being sarcastic even in his apology,surely Anna cares a damn if Pawar is slapped, or even if shoes thrown at him.The important thing to discuss is whether this winter session will eventually bring an acceptable Jan Lokpal Bill or not.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 28 Nov 2011 04:03

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=742760

Anna Hazare has been given permission by the local civic body to stage protest at the Ramlila Maidan here from December 27 if a strong Lokpal Bill is not passed by Parliament during the ongoing Winter session.

The activists had applied to the Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD) two days ago for allocation of the sprawling ground with a capacity of 30,000, and sources said they have been given the permission.

They said permission had been sought to hold the protest from December 27 to January 5.

"We will hold the protest and it will be led by Hazare," a senior Team Anna member said.

However, they are yet to get a No Objection Certificate from Delhi Police without which they will not be able to hold the protest, he said, adding it was not yet decided whether Hazare will go on a fast.

"The mode of protest will be finalised later," he said.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby SBajwa » 28 Nov 2011 06:03

by SanjeevPunj
Incidently even the PM said that "Sawa Lakh se Aik Ladaoun Tahbe Gobind Singh Naam Kahaoun" recently some months ago.


MMS escaped from Jehlum and most likely is still suffering from Stockholm Syndrome (probably he was captured by ML people for some days during that times), but saying and you will confront a BAAJ (HAWK that prays upon defenseless sparrows) and actually confronting the HAWK is different.

Remember that Panchantatra story about which mouse will bell the cat? We are yet to find out the mouse that will do the lion hearty deed by belling the cat!! all mice are trying to be leaders but few have guts.


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