The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Prem » 06 Jan 2012 05:29

on Same page of above blog
Why this Kolaveri Di ~ Lokpal Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2MXpKN ... r_embedded

And
Lokpal Bill - Anup jalota Sings for Anna hazare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEkp_8m7 ... re=related

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Murugan » 06 Jan 2012 10:31

Photo ops to Oops for Diggy babu

An old photograph showing Congress leader Digvijaya Singh sharing the dais with RSS ideologue Rajju Bhaiyya and the then VHP chief Ashok Singhal at a Hindu meet led to a war of words between the Sangh Parivar and Singh on Thursday.

While the RSS lost no time in accusing Singh of practising vote-bank and communal politics as per the targeted audience, Singh hit back by asking why he was never the object of Sangh’s praise, unlike Anna who had an entire RSS publication devoted to him. :lol:

According to RSS leader Ram Madhav, the photograph, taken at the Virat Hindu Sammelan in Haridwar in 1997, was a reaffirmation of age-old communal politics that the Congress has always practiced. “They have no qualms in going to a particular platform for the sake of electoral dividends and, in the same breath, they have no sense of shame in going and attacking them publicly for the sake of some other groups' votes,” he said.

“This is the kind of minority politics, communal politics, that they have been indulging in right from the beginning. I don't see anything more than that in this so-called controversial photograph,” Madhav said.


ET - 6th Jan 2011

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Jan 2012 18:02

More trouble for Team Anna, Shanti Bhushan fined for evading stamp duty

Well yes, so if anyone raises voice against INC only then the arm of the law acts. Otherwise total silence.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby ramana » 06 Jan 2012 21:55

AH has shown his true allegiances by not campaigning in the upcoming UP elections. The INC says they don't care if its a people movement and care only for political party. AH might not beleive in polticial parties but that is the currency of power. AH should have campaigned against the INC in upcoming state elections to show his commitment to his movement and not fake fasts.
OTH he might have decided on this course to protect his supporters from wrath of INC controlled state machinery? it wont protect them for the system will go after them to ensure no challengers.

The whoel AH movement was to take away from Baba Ramdev who was gathering a lot of people around him.

MKG:SCB = AH:BR

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Singha » 06 Jan 2012 22:05

the anti corruption movement has run out of steam. AH looks like a tired and spent force. the 'euphoric' days of candle light vigils few months ago are gone.

to add insult to injury the few who had been in jail have all taken bail and gone home to their mansions, farmhouses and 5* lifestyles.

the BJP is the same tired old men and shuffling pack of back room operators trying to present a united front...no clear idea and consensus on who will be PM Candidate in 2014, with all indications that Loh Purush aka Sardar Patel v2.0 is able and willing at the age of 80 to run for the throne and sabotage their chances yet again :twisted: he has about as much charisma as rahul bose in acting.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Sushupti » 06 Jan 2012 22:27

This is disgusting!.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Singha » 07 Jan 2012 00:23

in the cockpit, the captain gets the left seat and the trainee/co-pilot the right seat.

trainees are not allowed the commander's seat under any circumstances as per protocol lol

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby vijayk » 07 Jan 2012 00:33

CON DIE-nasty making it ready for another EVM magic...

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120104.htm

The combine of the Congress and the Rashtriya Lok Dal will emerge as the single largest party in the forthcoming Uttar Pradesh assembly elections, according to yet another survey commissioned by the party.

The Congress-RLD combine will win 127 votes, says the survey. While the RLD will get 12 seats, the Congress will get a whopping 115 seats.

The survey also indicates that the real battle will be between the Congress and the Bharatiya Janata Party, with the latter making considerable gains since the last election and winning in 113 constituencies.

The survey, conducted by the American agency MODE, shows a sharp drop for Mayawati-led Bahujan Samaj Party, which will get only 92 seats.

The Samajwadi Party, led by Mulayam Singh yadav, will win in 69 constituencies, says the survey.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Supratik » 07 Jan 2012 02:14

Actually it is an intelligent move by AH. His primary motive is to bring a strong Lokpal bill not to defeat the Congress.
By campaigning in the elections he would have only strengthened the allegation of "RSS stooge", made Congress more
inflexible on Lokpal, divided his followers on political lines.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby devesh » 07 Jan 2012 02:18

singha ji, ramana ji,

it is a good lesson I feel. the urbanistas have low attention span. what this proves is that the "cool" and "literate" people of the urban areas can't be a support base for a nationwide mass movement. to an extent, this also proves that it was a manufactured movement. the huge media focus on AH that started around Feb-March last year lead to his limelight. it is dying away. it was a necessary "movement". it shows to the truly committed what steps are not to be taken and who not to trust. the lessons will be learned by those who are serious.

I look at it positively. the ruling regime just cut off one possible escape route that could have come in handy in the future. by their tactics, they've put wisdom into the committed ones who want to change things and have made enemies of the people they played around with. overall, they've burned some very important bridges.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby svinayak » 07 Jan 2012 04:38

New group has started called as Indira Mana Dal
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003107942130

Indira Mana Dal
Born on November 19, 1917


They want to be supporters of Indira Gandhi

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranav » 07 Jan 2012 10:28

ramana wrote:The whoel AH movement was to take away from Baba Ramdev who was gathering a lot of people around him.


Hazare has serious shortcomings but it was Baba Ramdev who was being wooed by Kangrez ministers to undermine Hazare. Ramdev made a statement that PM should not be under Lokpal but then he later became uncontrollable and had to be lathi-charged.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby merlin » 07 Jan 2012 15:19

Singha wrote:with all indications that Loh Purush aka Sardar Patel v2.0 is able and willing at the age of 80 to run for the throne and sabotage their chances yet again :twisted: he has about as much charisma as rahul bose in acting.


Very generous to v2.0 you are sir, very magnanimous :mrgreen:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby keshavchandra » 07 Jan 2012 17:26

Friend we have a history of scandals and corruption. The first Indian corruption scandal was happened in the year 1947 named as "Jeep scandal care". V.K. Krishna Menon, the then Indian high commissioner to Britain, ignored protocols and signed a Rs 80 lakh contract for the purchase of army jeeps with a foreign firm.Under this IA purchased some Jeeps from the British army and our respectful first defence minister of Independent India Mr.Baldev Singh was charged of corruption.
So its since independence as we are facing now. :cry: :cry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_scandal_case

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby joshvajohn » 09 Jan 2012 03:37

Be the change you want to see
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/ ... o-see.html

Many young people should come up like Hazare! Without many Hazares there is no way fight these corrupt officials and politicians in India

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby JwalaMukhi » 09 Jan 2012 05:29

Pranav wrote:Hazare has serious shortcomings but it was Baba Ramdev who was being wooed by Kangrez ministers to undermine Hazare. Ramdev made a statement that PM should not be under Lokpal but then he later became uncontrollable and had to be lathi-charged.

Please explain how conducting satyagraha became uncontrollable, that necessitated the midnight raiders to murdering an unarmed sleeping woman, RajBala?
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby JwalaMukhi » 09 Jan 2012 05:39

Perse, it is not about personalities but about the processes. People have wisened up and BTW, it is gratifying to see the anachronistic non-sense techniques being abandoned by the mass. There is lesson to be learnt across the board. Go to the polling booths, play by the rules and spend effort where it matters most. Mass movements are necessary to wake up and make aware of the issues. Beyond that, the best way to necessitate change is not more mass movements, but through raja tantra.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby devesh » 09 Jan 2012 06:07

vijayk wrote:http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.a ... 694&eid=31
Madamji.. Forever at your feet



this is utterly nauseating... :oops: :cry:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby devesh » 09 Jan 2012 06:09

Pranav wrote:
ramana wrote:The whoel AH movement was to take away from Baba Ramdev who was gathering a lot of people around him.


Hazare has serious shortcomings but it was Baba Ramdev who was being wooed by Kangrez ministers to undermine Hazare. Ramdev made a statement that PM should not be under Lokpal but then he later became uncontrollable and had to be lathi-charged.



they thought they could turn BRD into Agnivesh or some such model. how wrong they were....

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranav » 09 Jan 2012 15:23

JwalaMukhi wrote:
Pranav wrote:Hazare has serious shortcomings but it was Baba Ramdev who was being wooed by Kangrez ministers to undermine Hazare. Ramdev made a statement that PM should not be under Lokpal but then he later became uncontrollable and had to be lathi-charged.

Please explain how conducting satyagraha became uncontrollable, that necessitated the midnight raiders to murdering an unarmed sleeping woman, RajBala?


From Kangrez POV!

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Aditya_V » 09 Jan 2012 19:54

vijayk wrote:http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2694&eid=31
Madamji.. Forever at your feet


Some people in the link are calling it Bhaki tradition of South India. What those fools don't understand is, Prahalada asking everyone to surrender on to Narayana is Bhakti, Prahalada's teachers, associate asking to surrender to Hiryanakashipu i.e that days Political heavyweight is the Height of Rakhasa and Asura behaviour. :lol:

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranav » 10 Jan 2012 12:44

update from SSwamy -


@Swamy39 Subramanian Swamy

EVM at 2PM since ECI not prepared to argue in short. Want a whole day.

https://twitter.com/#!/Swamy39/status/1 ... 5542086656

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranav » 10 Jan 2012 15:05

@Swamy39 Subramanian Swamy
... I told the court that I will take 30 mins becuase I have a strong case. EC needs more time becuase they have no case.
https://twitter.com/#!/Swamy39/status/1 ... 2989404160


@Swamy39 Subramanian Swamy
[Quraishi is a] Chamcha, not crook. Cong will in UP get only 10 seats without EVMs.
https://twitter.com/#!/Swamy39/status/1 ... 1531497473
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranav » 10 Jan 2012 18:29

@Swamy39 Subramanian Swamy
Orders reserved, Promised an early date.

@Swamy39 Subramanian Swamy
@santu1977 : May be a week.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby member_21708 » 10 Jan 2012 19:40

Pranav wrote:update from SSwamy
EVM at 2PM since ECI not prepared to argue in short. Want a whole day.

... I told the court that I will take 30 mins becuase I have a strong case. EC needs more time becuase they have no case.

[Quraishi is a] Chamcha, not crook. Cong will in UP get only 10 seats without EVMs.

Orders reserved, Promised an early date.

May be a week.


Good work being done by swamy in exposing EVM's, sooner we convert back to paper ballots the better

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 10 Jan 2012 20:21

http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279452

The 14th reincarnation of Avalokitesvara, better known as the Dalai Lama, has been both the driving force and the symbol of the Tibetan movement. He spoke to Anirudh Mathur at his tranquil residence in McLeod Ganj, Dharamsala, shortly before leaving to teach in Bodh Gaya. Considered the “ocean of wisdom” by millions of Buddhists, he spoke about the protest movements of 2011, China, the future of the Tibetan movement, and Anna Hazare. Excerpts:


Both you and Anna Hazare admire Gandhi’s methods. Does Anna’s campaign reflect such methods?

Yes, I am very much impressed with it, particularly the support it has received from the people. Some people have reservations about the methods, but the goal (of removing corruption) is very necessary and important. I have expressed many times that the most ‘populated democracy’ with the rule of law has created a peaceful and stable nation in comparison to neighbouring states. But like many parts of the world, the disease of corruption is serious. It (Anna Hazare’s campaign) has been a timely method of reminding people of corruption and ending complacency. The campaign has also consulted politicians and awakened them.

How does graft reflect on India?

At the beginning of the year, I was in Mumbai and Rajasthan. Students told me that survival was not possible without acts of corruption. I was very shocked. India is a very healthy nation and should pay more attention to eliminating corruption. After all, India does tread the path of ahimsa, which is still very relevant in today’s world.

Corruption is a form of violence, whilst truth, honesty and transparency are forms of non-violence. After all, the corrupt hide! That shows it is wrong, it is violent. India is religious, and this means there are only two choices: either worship God, accept God and pray to God and don’t be corrupt; or don’t care for God and worship money.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranay » 13 Jan 2012 04:06

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 120111.htm

Arvind Kejriwal eloquently elaborates on the lessons learnt so far and on the road ahead...

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby suryag » 13 Jan 2012 10:55

How about Bhajpa coming up with a "model JAN lokpal bill" and saying this is the first bill we will pass as soon as we form the government this will get the INC on backfoot. If INC bites and passes a similar bill we all win if NDA does we win. There needs to be a will on the part of NDA to come in greater support of Lokpal

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby shaunb » 13 Jan 2012 19:46

Not sure if this belongs here, but I couldn't find a relevant thread

Ireland scrapping 7000 e-voting machines due to security concerns

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Agnimitra » 13 Jan 2012 20:14

Plot seen in Indian army chief's age row
Indian army chief Vijay Kumar Singh is preparing to take government bosses to court over his official date of birth, with the Defense Ministry insisting he was born in 1950, not a year later, requiring his retirement in May. While some critics say Singh is clinging to power for the privileges, others see a conspiracy to remove him over his rare, principled stance on army corruption.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby member_21708 » 13 Jan 2012 20:43

Carl wrote:Plot seen in Indian army chief's age row
Indian army chief Vijay Kumar Singh is preparing to take government bosses to court over his official date of birth, with the Defense Ministry insisting he was born in 1950, not a year later, requiring his retirement in May. While some critics say Singh is clinging to power for the privileges, others see a conspiracy to remove him over his rare, principled stance on army corruption.


comment from a person in the know
Gen VK Singh was born on 10 May 1951 in military hospital, Pune and the same was entered in the service record of his father (14 Rajput). Date of birth in his school leaving certificate is 10 May 1951. At the time of filling application forms for UPSC examination for entry into NDA his teacher, wrongly entered 10 May 1950 in stead of 10 May 1951 as date of birth. VK Singh was then 14 years old and without realizing this error, signed the application. He was eligible for entry into NDA in both the cases, (age 10 May 1950 and 10 May 1951). Before his interview at the Services Selection Board, school leaving certificate, letter from his father's unit, indicating his date of birth as 10 May 1951 as well as police verification of age was sent to the UPSC. Based on this he was 'provisionally' allowed to join NDA: pending receipt of Board Examination Certificate. His NDA and IMA records reflected his date of birth as 10 May 1951. Wrong twist has been given now on oblique intentions.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Murugan » 14 Jan 2012 13:12

Somebody threw ink on Baba Ramdev's face while he was addressing a press conference today

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Aditya_V » 14 Jan 2012 15:41

Murugan wrote:Somebody threw ink on Baba Ramdev's face while he was addressing a press conference today


Where is the freedom of speech brigade condeming this act. After the actions on Facebook Etc. When as a Hindu there is huge blasphemeny, is seems only one side needs to tolerant , and freedom of speech is restricted to those who critize RSS BJP, Hinduism, Support Maoists, Support LET and kashmiri terrorists, ULFA etc...

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby uddu » 14 Jan 2012 18:06

NEW DELHI: Angry over Baba Ramdev's remark that the 2008 Batla House shootout was not fake, a man threw black ink on the face of the yoga guru during his press conference here on Saturday, police said.
The attacker, Kamran Siddiqui, was detained by the police
"When Baba said that Batla House encounter was not fake, Kamran threw ink on him. He lives in south Delhi's Okhla area and supposedly runs a non-government organisation Real Cause," said a senior Delhi Police official.
In the Sep 19, 2008, Batla House shootout in Delhi, two alleged? Indian Mujahideen members and one police officer were killed in public view. Certain local groups and some political parties, however, alleged it was a staged shootout.{Congress and Islamic fundamentalist elements}
{I like the spirit of Ramdev}
Ramdev said he had asked for the black money to be returned to the country and instead got black ink. :D
"Those who fight for truth have to pay the price. We are fighting to get black money back to the country and instead I got black ink...What did I do to deserve this?" Ramdev said to reporters.

"This incident won't affect me. We will continue to fight against the odds, come what may," he added.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Atri » 14 Jan 2012 18:34

uddu wrote:NEW DELHI: Angry over Baba Ramdev's remark that the 2008 Batla House shootout was not fake, a man threw black ink on the face of the yoga guru during his press conference here on Saturday, police said.
The attacker, Kamran Siddiqui, was detained by the police
"When Baba said that Batla House encounter was not fake, Kamran threw ink on him. He lives in south Delhi's Okhla area and supposedly runs a non-government organisation Real Cause," said a senior Delhi Police official.


he is a plant.. moment batla house came into picture, one has to know this is dirty trick either by SP or INC or both to nullify the public opinion being rallied by babaji.. Time to press on.. The fact that system is resorting to cheap tricks like this one, shows how desperate things are.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby member_21708 » 14 Jan 2012 19:45

Atri wrote:
uddu wrote:NEW DELHI: Angry over Baba Ramdev's remark that the 2008 Batla House shootout was not fake, a man threw black ink on the face of the yoga guru during his press conference here on Saturday, police said.
The attacker, Kamran Siddiqui, was detained by the police
"When Baba said that Batla House encounter was not fake, Kamran threw ink on him. He lives in south Delhi's Okhla area and supposedly runs a non-government organisation Real Cause," said a senior Delhi Police official.


he is a plant.. moment batla house came into picture, one has to know this is dirty trick either by SP or INC or both to nullify the public opinion being rallied by babaji.. Time to press on.. The fact that system is resorting to cheap tricks like this one, shows how desperate things are.

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Baba Ramdev attacker, Kamran Siddiqui with Congress CM Sheila Dikshit

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby sum » 14 Jan 2012 20:21

Attack on Ramdev a conspiracy, RSS behind it: Digvijay

Congress leader Digvijay Singh on Saturday alleged that there was a "well-orchestrated conspiracy" by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh behind the ink attack on yoga guru Ramdev.

He further claimed that the NGO activist who carried out the attack was "anti-Congress" and has links with the Bharatiya Janata Party.

I cant believe that any guy can play so dumb and so, IMO, Diggy is uber-Chankian whose bizarre statements are some kind of Chankian ploy though they seem like BS..

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Atri » 14 Jan 2012 22:32

[chankian thought] may be diggi is BENIS dhaga of RSS [/chankian thought]

:twisted: :twisted: :P

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby ramana » 15 Jan 2012 04:00

The real issue is we are seeing the disintegration of the INC. It had a prominent role as the channel for the freedom movement and later for majority of the post Independence political scene.
Its two pillars were MKG and JLN and the party is moving away from their ways and mores.

MKG was leader of non-urban protest movement which we see in Vinobha Bhave, Jayaprakash Naryan, Baba Ramdev and Anna Hazare.

JLN was the symbol of Indian elite educated in British manner and committed to Fabian socialism. We see no successors to his image in the modern INC.

MKG had affinity for his society but we see that lacking in JLN.

New INC leaders are far removed from JLN's intellectual well springs and we see its INC only in his name.

The opposition is also not firm in its belief system.

So we will see more destruction till there is no more to destroy.

VP Singh was the first to hit the INC with the single charge of corruption that stuck and was able to defeat them.

After him the opposition is unable to pin charges that can stick and become election deciders.

Where the INC is getting decimated is due to lack of transparency in governance. One could claim many things about JLN but not corruption. The same cannot be said of his successors.

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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

Postby Pranav » 17 Jan 2012 09:26

EVM order coming today, as per Swamy's tweets.


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