Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2011 13:14

^^ Definitely saar... 400% agree with you on the hyporisy of the US and UK.

My Q was about the IB folks mentioned in the report, not your comment per se.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 13:17

sum wrote:Truely is a piece of work, this lady....Real bad name to all sane Bengali folks around.

Why does one woman who composes a book half a world away in exchange for wire transfers of money earned from Drugs and Terrorism bring shame to a whole community, only I hope the relevant people work with the publisher to get this book labelled as an act fiction written as per the wishes of despots in GHQ Rawalpindi.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 13:18

sum wrote:^^ Definitely saar... 400% agree with you on the hyporisy of the US and UK.

My Q was about the IB folks mentioned in the report, not your comment per se.

Ok I misunderstood.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2011 13:20

only I hope the relevant people work with the publisher to get this book labelled as an act fiction written as per the wishes of despots in GHQ Rawalpindi.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 27 Sep 2011 13:23

"Pakistan`s enemy is China`s enemy and China`s enemy Pakistan`s" PM Gilani?
http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/27/china-ex ... grity.html
Ha the thieving whore has found a new pimp. what should we say, this is? ever heard about "HiraMandi Diplomacy"

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Sep 2011 13:26

"HiraMandi Diplomacy"

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 27 Sep 2011 14:39

For some comic relief, SM Krishna's ego trip to a reception hosted by the Pakistani Mission to the United States at an upscale New York hotel

Khar later escorted Krishna to his vehicle as he left the reception.

Noting that the Pakistani delegation was "obviously very very happy" with his presence at the reception, Krishna said he too was "very pleased" with his visit to the social gathering.

Wow - was he trying to say 'ecstatic'?

Krishna said Khar too expressed pleasure with his presence.

Krishna quoted Khar, who told him that "look at all the smiles on every Pakistani face."

Our FM's good deed for the day - bring a smile on every Pakistani's face.

"She was extremely warm and I was very pleased that I did go to the reception," Krishna told reporters later.

Extremely warm huh - Naughty boy!

"These gestures will certainly go a long way in improving the bilateral relationship. I am happy that I did go there," he said.

Seriously!!!!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Sep 2011 15:20

Krishna quoted Khar, who told him that "look at all the smiles on every Pakistani face."

This is the suspicious part. The smile on every Paki face. This is an orchestrated event. Rememebr this is so unusual. We see all summits Indian smiling faces and glum/ grim Paki faces. Check Lahore: Vajpayee and Ganja Sharif. Agra again Musharaff and Vajpayee, Quresihi was even worse never wore a smile in Indian presence, same with Bashir..and now all smiles??

While rhetoric against the US is increasing and Pakistan see's that things may really become worse including attempted snatching of their crown jewels..they realize this may require US-India collaboration of things get worse. They know how the MMS govt works. They know the WKK's. So they are working this ruling elite up, so that if a confrontation comes, we will yap up the Aman thing and deny US any airspace etc. Also if the US see's at the juncture it's aboutto put boots in the ground that the Indo-Pak talks are getting to progress at least in terms on bonhomie they will assume why to spoil things by escalating things further. The latter may well be the tactic. SMK of course thinks relations are improving. He is being used completely in the context of developing US- Pak confrontation. I hope they see this through at least.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Sep 2011 16:09

Mr. Magoo's motto seems to be "where there's a wig, there's a way" ...

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Sep 2011 16:15

Look who is speaking for TSP now.
Taliban says US wants to weaken Pakistan govt over Haqqanis

In an unusual step, Afghan Taliban Tuesday batted for Pakistan over the issue of ISI-backed terror strikes in Afghanistan, claiming that the US "wants to spread chaos in Pakistan" and weaken its government.

In a statement issued in the name of 'Mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate', the Afghan Taliban claimed US officials had launched a campaign of blaming Pakistan for an "uptick in the thunderous strikes" in Afghanistan in order to divert attention from their "ignominious defeat".

"America wants to spread chaos in Pakistan through various means, weaken its government and make it dependent upon them.

"That is why it is trying to make this government collide with its citizens and with this excuse, make them fight each other to show that there is what they like to call terrorist sanctuaries there (in Pakistan)," the statement said.

The Afghan Taliban, which has usually refrained from commenting on the situation in Pakistan, issued the statement as tensions spiked between Pakistan and the US over allegations that the ISI had backed the Haqqani network in carrying out a string of high-profile terror attacks

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Sep 2011 16:19

Pakistan Pledges to Strike Hard Against China’s Enemies

Pakistan has promised visiting Chinese officials it will strike hard against any enemies of China who seek to use Pakistan as a base for attacks.

Interior Minister Rehman Malik made the promise Tuesday to China's public security minister, Meng Jianzhu.

Meng's visit comes as Pakistan's relations with the United States – its largest aid donor – have hit a new low. Pakistani officials are furious over U.S. charges that their intelligence service is helping militants to attack American targets in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has hinted it could turn to China for support in the event of a break with the United States, and Meng appeared to encourage that idea with a promise $1.25 million in new financial support for Pakistan.

He said the money was intended to help Pakistan in the fight against extremists.

So China has started paying pukis already? Oh wait, it is a plomise only.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 27 Sep 2011 16:30

Uncle SMK has a crush, what say!!! Seeing the young miss Khar, SMK just couldn't hold on to his excitement?? Btw was there any other senior person from the Indian delegation with him or he simply just jumped the gun??

Coming back to the topic, in spite of all their tough talk and nonchalance, the Pakis are scared to death about an US attack. They are trying desperately to garner support from,
1. Saudi Arabia,
2. China,
3. anyone and everyone possible
4. and even India.

When Pakis are in crisis, then starts all their "Elder Brother, come to my rescue" crap. They do know how to make those Kitty eyes and ask for help, to show how
1. they are going into violent destabilization,
2. getting deep into poverty,
3. oppression of muslims at the hands of other religions
4. how could one do this to such a trusted Ally and Friend when what not have they done for the world like so many lives lost, so many $$ lost for them, blah blah blah!

Heck, even some Pakis are cautioning that once they are gone,
1. the supply lines will be cut off and as if they are defending them with all their lives.
2. It will be a playing ground of Evil Hindus, Chinese, Russians with no one to control them, as if they are controlling now.
3. India-Russia evil axis control of the region, when the US fought so hard and spent so many $$ to prevent Russian influence in the region. So all would go to waste.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Sep 2011 16:37

Pukis "striking hard at China's enemies" Wah! What heroism. Does that however mean another majorr terroist attack against India?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Sep 2011 16:42

Anujan wrote:NYT is Unkil govt mouthpiece.

It took you this long to figure this out, you haven't been reading CRamS's posts or what?

. Imagine how much US knows about TSP perfidy against India and choose to keep under wraps.

DocJi, yes, absolutely, thats the dance going on. And the dance is not between TSP and US per se, but between sections of US establishment who colluded with TSP including Haqqanis and who have a lot of skeletons in the closet, and those newbies in the establishment who look at TSP as it is. TSP is threatning to expose the former, who are mosttly cold war thugs.

I don't know what SMK & Co are up to, but please notice that in all the exchanges between US & TSP so far in the latest act, no mention of LeT. India cannot and should not accept this is as the end game, i.e., India as the sacrificial goat.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 27 Sep 2011 16:43

Dilbu wrote:Pakistan Pledges to Strike Hard Against China’s Enemies

Oh! they do try so very hard to prevent the attacks on Chinese from their soil. They are such faithful pigs, how could the master even think of bringing a heated rod. Such senile they are, they can easily switch masters and the new master would gladly give them asylum from the former. Who needs a dog as pet when you have such objects on earth. Btw strictly going off topic, their current state reminds me of two characters!

1. the character Benny in The Mummy movie who ended up meeting a violent death at last.
2. The Chinese generals from The Mummy 3 movie who would pledge to serve for eternity their imperial master.

Disclaimer: This was OT and unnecessary, please remove if you feel so, just couldn't control.

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 27 Sep 2011 16:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX_khSzx ... ure=relmfu

Let us see if this means something. A rare moment in over 70 years!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Sep 2011 16:50

AnantD wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX_khSzx ... ure=relmfu

Let us see if this means something. A rare moment in over 70 years!

Maybe so, but listening to the very first sentence, Haqqni is the most dangerous terrorist group on earth, I could see what else will follow. Refreshing alright, but if the tradeof is between TSP keeping LeT (LeT is the most lethal terorrist group since it is nuke armed and delivery systems to delivetr nukes to any Indian city) and giving up Haqqni, sorry this is not a rare moment, its a replay of history.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 27 Sep 2011 17:04

Must Watch:
Speech by Arun Shourie on Pakistan sponsored terrorism in India.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEVsrD9b ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZg2DaxS ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iiTpcfu ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFlocSLH ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg8kjo8t ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gUmPL1W ... re=related

In part-5, Shourie gives his view on post US withdrawal from Afganistan and its effect on India. In his views withdrawal of US forces from Afganistan is imminent. Says, after US withdrawal all the fundamentalist will be free to attack India we are a open ground. Fundamentalist can't reach USA, they can somewhat reach to Europe but that also with great difficulty.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 27 Sep 2011 17:08

Ivanev wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Pakistan Pledges to Strike Hard Against China’s Enemies
Oh! they do try so very hard to prevent the attacks on Chinese from their soil. They are such faithful pigs, how could the master even think of bringing a heated rod. Such senile they are, they can easily switch masters and the new master would gladly give them asylum from the former. Who needs a dog as pet when you have such objects on earth.

This is exactly what is called "Hiramandi Diplomacy"

Courtesy: menon s saar

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Sep 2011 17:09

Pakistan turns to China as ties with U.S. suffer

Making the point that Pakistan has other friends, President Asif Ali Zardari said in a statement: "In these peculiar circumstances when the country was grappling with many challenges simultaneously, Chinese assistance has been most welcome in stabilizing the situation."

The military, Pakistan's most powerful institution, also said it appreciated its giant Asian neighbor's support. Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani thanked Meng for China's "unwavering support."

"They (the Pakistanis) are trying to use their diplomatic options as much as possible to defuse pressure on them. They hope China will help them in this crisis," said security analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi.

China and Pakistan call each other "all-weather friends" and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbor, India, and a desire to hedge against U.S. influence across the region.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 17:40

Dilbu wrote:Pakistan turns to China as ties with U.S. suffer
Making the point that Pakistan has other friends, President Asif Ali Zardari said in a statement: "In these peculiar circumstances when the country was grappling with many challenges simultaneously, Chinese assistance has been most welcome in stabilizing the situation."

The military, Pakistan's most powerful institution, also said it appreciated its giant Asian neighbor's support. Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani thanked Meng for China's "unwavering support."

"They (the Pakistanis) are trying to use their diplomatic options as much as possible to defuse pressure on them. They hope China will help them in this crisis," said security analyst Hasan Askari Rizvi.

China and Pakistan call each other "all-weather friends" and their close ties have been underpinned by long-standing wariness of their common neighbor, India, and a desire to hedge against U.S. influence across the region.

If US really does the unthinkable and starts treating Pakis like Saddam Hussein regime and armtwist China and Saudi, only then will Pakis realize this is not a game of a few Billions but survival itself.

armenon · Post by **armenon** » 27 Sep 2011 17:45

Dilbu wrote:Meng appeared to encourage that idea with a promise $1.25 million in new financial support for Pakistan.

Only 1.25 million ? That too a only a promise ? Boy, these Chinese are good in bargaining. One will almost feel pity for the Pakis.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Sep 2011 17:52

America warned against any unilateral action

In response to a question relating to the statement of US Senator Lindsey Graham that ‘all options are on table against Pakistan’, Stroh said that this was in line with the statements of other US functionaries that Pakistan needs to take actions against those using its soil and attacking US forces in Afghanistan. “The US reserves the right to take action when its troops are targeted and attacked in Afghanistan,” the spokesperson said without naming Haqqani Network.
Although there was no Foreign Office input about the meeting, it was learnt that Salman Bashir told the US envoy that any aggression or unilateral action against Pakistan would be disastrous for both the countries. The duo emphasized the need for bringing an end to statements allegations from both sides to arrest the situation going from bad to worst and agreed on further engagement to address mutual challenges.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 27 Sep 2011 17:58

Few more points by Arun Shourie:
Intelligence and security agencies have been weakened by congress government.

Other points, we say Russia is our very close partner but Russia supplies sophisticated weapon systems to china.
Russia population is declining very fast. In few decades there will be a country with 11 time zones and not enough land army to look after her security in central Asia, china. Russia has agreed for subordinate role in SCO , main purpose of SCO is to influence the Central Asia. Have we ever thought, how Iran, China and Pakistan are going to milk the situation? Specially, keeping in mind that Pakistani population is increasing at a frightening pace. Central Asia will be a open ground for Iran, china and may be Pakistan. Are we following that? Are we following that after US withdrawal Iran will dominate the whole area?

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 27 Sep 2011 18:01

Posted by CRamS:

Maybe so, but listening to the very first sentence.........

Either the glass is half full or half empty.

The first sentence was "One of the most dangerous..."

Weren't they responsible for the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul also, where the US mentioned the ISI's involvement?
@3:55......The Hakkanis were responsible for attacks on Afghan and Indian construction efforts......
@5.15......The Hakkani network also serves as an trusted intermediary between........active also in attacking the Indian Democracy in Kashmir and throughout the subcontinent...including groups such as the LET and TTP..organizations responsible for the 2008 and 2011 Mumbai attacks.....

So if you read the book by looking at its cover......then you are 400% right.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Sep 2011 18:20

CRamS wrote:
I don't know what SMK & Co are up to, but please notice that in all the exchanges between US & TSP so far in the latest act, no mention of LeT. India cannot and should not accept this is as the end game, i.e., India as the sacrificial goat.

SMagoo Krishna is mouthing platitudes about this very fact
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 489778.ece

India has conveyed to the U.S. that countries with a “determined position to fight terror” cannot be selective in their approach in dealing with the menace and have to fight the scourge together “across the board”.

External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna discussed the issue of terror with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at a bilateral meeting that lasted here for over 40 minutes.

Terming the meeting as “very good and constructive,” Mr. Krishna later told reporters that the two sides spent time on discussing the issue of terrorism and condemned the recent attacks on the American mission in Kabul and at the High Court in New Delhi.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Sep 2011 18:34

Mr. Magoo is right in rubbing this in, in my opinion. (Much as I detest the man's ineptitude - at least in this he's reading from the right script).

OTOH, hopefully he did not threaten Billary with "the Chinese option" after his warm handling at Mr. Khar's reception.

As fortune would have it "Mr. Magoo is a cartoon character created at the UPA animation studio in 1949." He certainly appears to play the part...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Magoo

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Sep 2011 18:55

U.S.-Pakistan relations: Is this the end of the affair?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Sep 2011 19:12

A quick scan didn't show this story posted here, apologies if I missed it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/world ... icans.html

Pakistanis Tied to 2007 Border Ambush on Americans
By CARLOTTA GALL
Published: September 26, 2011

KABUL, Afghanistan — A group of American military officers and Afghan officials had just finished a five-hour meeting with their Pakistani hosts in a village schoolhouse settling a border dispute when they were ambushed — by the Pakistanis.

An American major was killed and three American officers were wounded, along with their Afghan interpreter, in what fresh accounts from the Afghan and American officers who were there reveal was a complex, calculated assault by a nominal ally. The Pakistanis opened fire on the Americans, who returned fire before escaping in a blood-soaked Black Hawk helicopter.

The attack, in Teri Mangal on May 14, 2007, was kept quiet by Washington, which for much of a decade has seemed to play down or ignore signals that Pakistan would pursue its own interests, or even sometimes behave as an enemy.

The reconstruction of the attack, which several officials suggested was revenge for Afghan or Pakistani deaths at American hands, takes on new relevance given the worsening rupture in relations between Washington and Islamabad, which has often been restrained by Pakistan’s strategic importance.

The details of the ambush indicate that Americans were keenly aware of Pakistan’s sometimes duplicitous role long before Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate last week that Pakistan’s intelligence service was undermining efforts in Afghanistan and had supported insurgents who attacked the American Embassy in Kabul this month.

Though both sides kept any deeper investigations of the ambush under wraps, even at the time it was seen as a turning point by officials managing day-to-day relations with Pakistan....

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Sep 2011 19:17

It doesn't take a genius to figure out something is brewing. Only question is what. I would dearly love for the good doc to be proven wrong (I'm sure he would too), but I doubt it...

More likely it will lead to a "rebalancing" of relations or some such crap...

You see, the Amirkhans are gradually cottoning on to the fact that the Paks have been taking and using American money and military aid using it to kill Americans (but just enough to keep the pot simmering - or so the Paks thought). They are using the same old anti-Soviet model with modifications. Instead of taking money from the Americans and Saudis to kill Russians, now they are taking money from the Americans and Saudis to kill Americans. And just like before, they will claim full credit for "driving out a superpower from Afghanistan"

Who's the chump here?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 27 Sep 2011 19:19

i think we'll see some more active sabre rattling by ombaba as the presidential race warms up... including drone strikes on haqqanis and any collateral damage on TSPA assets

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2011 19:37

Anujan and Dilbu, Apropos your thoughts on TSP-PRC axis here is Nightwatch

NW-27 Sept 2011

China-US: Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi on Monday reaffirmed China's position on the United States' arms sales to Taiwan, urging the U.S. immediately to correct its error by revoking its arms sales decision.

Comment: The Chinese Minister referred to the US decision to upgrade Taiwan's F-16 fighter force rather than sell new F-165s that might maintain the balance of capabilities across the Taiwan Strait. So the US has chosen half measures, apparently in the expectation that both sides will be somewhat mollified.

US policies towards China and Taiwan are incomprehensible and contradictory.

Think why? Its Janus faced or blow hot-blow cold}

Pakistan-US: Pakistan will not take military action against the Haqqani network militant group, according to a 25 September meeting of the Pakistan Army corps commanders chaired by Pakistan Army Chief of Army Staff General Kayani at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, The Express Tribune reported 26 September. After the corps commanders discussed the possible implications of a unilateral US operation on Pakistani territory, an unnamed military official said Islamabad told Washington that Pakistan cannot commit to anything beyond its current operations.

Comment: Pakistani civilian leaders led the official denunciations of US official accusations of supporting the Haqqanis. The Pakistan Army leaders were content to hide behind the official denunciations. They neither supported their own civilian leaders nor denounced the US accusations.

{So TSPA CC are playing it safe and not showing their hand. The net result of this standoff is TSPA jihadi credentials are restored after the Abortabad raid and Mehran attack. Something to mull ( ) over.}

US Readers understand that the Pakistani civilian leaders have limited access to the operations of the Pakistan Army. Thus, President Zardari and Prime Minister Gilani are figureheads who have no control of the Pakistan Army. Their comments do not signify. General Kayani or other senior generals have NOT denounced Admiral Mullen's accusations. Mullen wasted his time and was outsmarted in trying to make friends with Kayani.

Pakistan-Saudi Arabia: For the record. Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate chief, Lieutenant General Shuja Pasha, met Saudi intelligence officials at ISI headquarters in Islamabad on 26 September. The Saudi officials went to Pakistan on the special directive of Saudi King Abdallah to ease tensions between Pakistan and the United States, The Nation reported. After the meeting, Pasha flew to Saudi Arabia to meet with Saudi intelligence and armed forces officials.

{So Pasha was summoned to KSA to offer new terms. Most likely Pahsa will send a soosai jihad to KSA to show them their place now that TSP has PRC backing them. BTW KSA has just weakened itself in funddo eyes with rights to women. As I predicted KSA will have to change moderate its Wahabi dogma to face the modern world. Again this bolsters the TSP fundoo characteristics! So 2-0 for TSP }

Comment: The Saudis see Afghanistan moving in a more or less favorable direction so long as the Iranians make no gains. They want Pakistan to focus on larger, strategic concerns, including Palestinian statehood, the stability of the Syrian government, Turkish claims to leadership in the Middle East, containment of Iranian influence. Pakistan remains the nuclear and conventional arsenal of the Muslim world, regardless of what happens in Afghanistan, in the Saudi view.

{What is more important is what does TSP see itself in the ummah? The Islamist world always submitted to the sword since Muhammad's days. Nooks are the swords now even if borrowed.}

Pakistan-China: Chinese Vice Premier Meng Jianzhu will visit Islamabad on 26 September to discuss regional security in a meeting with Pakistani President Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani and other officials, The Express Tribune reported. A Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman said Meng's visit is important but unrelated to other regional developments. Meng is also scheduled to meet with General Kayani and Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) Lieutenant General Shuja Pasha with talks to focus on Chinese separatists arrested by Pakistan and extradited to Beijing.

Comment: The confluence of Chinese and Saudi meetings on the 26th is almost symbolic of the polarity in Pakistani foreign policy. The US is a bit player every decade or so, but Saudi Arabia and China are Pakistan's major benefactors. Saudi Arabia would pull Pakistan into the orbit of the Muslim states of the Middle East, manipulating Pakistan's inability to pay for the Saudi oil it has consumed for decades.

China has armed Pakistan as its proxy in a future sub-continent war against India, a decade or so in the future. The Pakistan Army has been prepared as China's second front force against India in that future war. Only the Pakistani generals seem to fail to understand their limited role in China's Asian strategy.

{The writer is pleading with TSPA not to go over to the darkside to use sci-fi language and waste years of mutally profitable association.}

Meanwhile, China wants stability. The Gilani government has not provided it. China has the same gripe against the Pakistan Army as has the US. Pakistani intelligence and the Pakistan Army support terrorists, in China's case, Uighur Muslim terrorists in Xinjiang, just as they support the anti-government Pashtuns in Afghanistan. The Chinese are less delicate than the Americans in pressing their demands that the Pakistan Army stop its double dealing.

Afghanistan: A US official confirmed that an attack occurred on a building used by the US in Kabul late 25 September. Afghan authorities confirmed reports of gunfire around a building used by the CIA, near the former Ariana Hotel that is in the vicinity of the Afghan presidential palace, but Kabul authorities could not confirm any casualties or injuries.

Comment: The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, without identifying the group that attacked. Not even the CIA can defend itself in Kabul. Nobody ever knows when Allah will call a true believer to kill someone in the name of Allah. It can occur at any time with no warning.

Here is the chnace for massa to make a play and send strong message at next cc meeting.}

Saudi Arabia: The King of Saudi Arabia has granted Saudi women the right to vote in town and city elections and the right to run for office.

Comment: What is interesting is that women's rights derive from the King, not from Allah or nature or universal human rights.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 27 Sep 2011 19:41

Cosmo_R wrote: That's because Mr. S Magoo Krishna (yes that is his middle name) reads from Kiyani's script which refers to explosive-laden trucks and his wig moves as he squints--causing panic because they think it might explode.

JE Menon wrote:Mr. Magoo is right in rubbing this in, in my opinion. (Much as I detest the man's ineptitude - at least in this he's reading from the right script).

OTOH, hopefully he did not threaten Billary with "the Chinese option" after his warm handling at Mr. Khar's reception.

As fortune would have it "Mr. Magoo is a cartoon character created at the UPA animation studio in 1949." He certainly appears to play the part...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Magoo

OT: I was in the process of adding an entry into the BRF dictionary for Magoo and decided to do a bit of fact-checking. Turns out his real middle name is "Mallaiah", not "Magoo". Still, it sure is a funny nickname and I'm keeping the entry for now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2011 19:45

Mr Magoo is a funny cartoon character. Shiv was using it to make a point.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 27 Sep 2011 19:51

From Tribune news story(posting in full). Just another day in TSP.
Three NATO oil tankers torched in Balochistan

By Shehzad Balcoh - Published: September 27, 2011
Pakistani local residents watch burning NATO supply trucks after they were attacked by armed militants on the outskirts of Quetta on September 27, 2011. PHOTO: AFP

QUETTA: Unknown gunmen torched three Afghanistan bound oil tankers near Dasht area in Mastung district on Tuesday.

According to Balochistan Levies, three oil tankers carrying fuel for North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces stationed in Afghanistan were on their way to Kandahar from Karachi when armed men opened fire on them. As a result, fire erupted from the oil tankers.

One of the drivers also sustained injuries in the attack.

“The oil tankers were completely gutted,” a local official said, adding that levies and other law enforcement agencies cordoned off the area immediately after the incident.

Fire tenders from Quetta and nearby township also reached the spot.

The militants often target NATO suppliers in Balochistan which is the second largest route for allied forces combating in Afghanistan.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 27 Sep 2011 19:54

A picture is worth a thousand words so here goes ^^^

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 27 Sep 2011 19:55

One more

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2011 19:55

Where are the greens on this air pollution?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 27 Sep 2011 19:58

From Tribune news story(posting in full).
Economic ties: ‘Indian industrialists not keen to invest in Pakistan’

By PPI - Published: September 27, 2011
Confederation of Indian Industry’s (CII) recommended that economic cooperation between India and Pakistan can be promoted through focus on healthcare, IT and entertainment.

NEW DELHI: Indian industrialists are not keen to invest in Pakistan at present, said a senior Indian Commerce Ministry Mail Today. A lot of confidence building measures will have to be undertaken before an environment conducive for investment can be created, he added.

This is also evident in the Confederation of Indian Industry’s (CII) recommendation that economic cooperation between India and Pakistan can be promoted through focus on healthcare, IT and entertainment.

The statement comes ahead of Pakistan’s Commerce Minister Makhdoom Amin Fahim’s visit to Mumbai and New Delhi from September 26-30. An 80-member Pakistani trade and industry delegation is accompanying the Minister and CII is organising an interaction with Indian business on September 29.

According to a CII statement, India-Pakistan Textile chief executive officers (CEOs) met in February 2011 in Delhi and agreed to raise direct trade as well as set up a joint task force. A huge market exists on both sides for textiles.

Indo-Pakistan committee on healthcare during its meeting in July 2011 focused on various issues and stressed creation of an enabling environment for healthcare exchange. Poor healthcare infrastructure in both countries can be addressed through private sector initiatives and greater collaboration on common major diseases such as heart disease, diabetes and cancer.

Legal trade and bilateral exchanges can create a better atmosphere for the advancement of entertainment industry in both countries. Release of Indian films in Pakistan and exchange of television content and formats, including extremely popular Pakistani plays can help cement relationship between the two countries, CII statement said.

Bilateral trade in goods has multiplied ten-fold between 2000-01 and 2010-11 to touch $2.7 billion. CII has conceded that the trade balance is largely in favour of India and there is a need to increase import of goods from Pakistan. However, a large volume of trade also takes place through informal channels and through a third country due to restrictions on cross-border movement of goods.

CII has conceded that the trade balance is largely in favour of India and there is a need to increase import of goods from Pakistan.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 27th, 2011

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 27 Sep 2011 19:59

This NYT article

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

says two things:

1. The GOTUS is steadily ratcheting up the pressure on TSP and building public support for 'action'

2. "At that time in May 2007, you had a lot of analysis pointing to the role of Pakistan in destabilizing that part of Afghanistan, and here you had a case in point, and for whatever reason it was glossed over,he said. The official did not want to be named for fear of alienating the Pakistanis, with whom he must still work. "

The above must be viewed against the context of our frustrations that the US has turned a blind-eye towards TSP's terror role against India. Heck, they seem to have turned a blind eye even for TSP terror against themselves. In short, US policy has been consistent and stupid. My guess is that the 'Old Cold War Pakistan Hands' in the CIA and the DoS had the power to bottle it all up because they were in the business of Faustian bargains however delusional.

With their passing, these things are coming to light. I'm convinced that Faisal Shahzad 2.0 is around the corner and that will be the tipping point and excuse to zap the Pakis under the 'nukes are falling into extremist hands' rubric.

Let slip the dogs of media....