Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Amber G. » 30 Sep 2011 20:53

A 13-year-old girl was recently expelled from her school due to alleged blasphemy. She misspelled the word ‘naat’ and that was reason enough for the school to expel her. Not for a minute did anyone pay attention to the fact that she was a student – a learner. She should have been taught what the right word was, what the right spelling was and what the mistake she made was. But instead, she was expelled, while her mother, who was a nurse, was transferred out of her hometown near Abbotabad. All that for a spelling mistake made by someone who until that day, was probably oblivious to what blasphemy even meant.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 30 Sep 2011 21:04

MK Bhadrakumar's latest piece of garbage

I ask again, how did this guy ever become a diplomat of any note for India? And how many of his ilk are still there?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby chaanakya » 30 Sep 2011 21:30

Forty-eight Indian fishermen arrested


KARACHI: The Maritime Security Agency (MSA) has arrested 48 Indian fishermen and seized eight boats for fishing illegally in Pakistani territorial waters.

A spokesman of MSA told APP here on Friday that the agency took action against Indian fishermen late on Thursday night.

He said the fishermen were interrogated and later handed over to the Docks police.

It was the fourth such seizure by the MSA in the month of September as a total 94 fishermen were arrested and 21 boats were seized, he added

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2011 21:39

Rangudu wrote:MK Bhadrakumar's latest piece of garbage

I ask again, how did this guy ever become a diplomat of any note for India? And how many of his ilk are still there?


Rangudu, For sake of forum members which statements/conclusions that he makes you disagree with?
Thanks in advance.

ramana

PS: Copy past his article and post your disagreements in red font alongside.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby sum » 30 Sep 2011 21:44

^^ Have completely stopped reading MKB's articles since felt that was more worthwhile reading a Paki piece of #$@% than reading MKB's analysis" on US/TSP/China..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 30 Sep 2011 21:52

Ramana,

I'll do so shortly but if you read his blog post that I linked, can anyone find even a couple of points that they can agree with?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 30 Sep 2011 22:10

MKB's last full article on post-Rabbani happenings

Pakistan can be expected to do all it can to kickstart another round of peace process. Its interest lies in preventing Karzai becoming a prisoner of the anti-Taliban NA groups Really? If so, why is TSPA trying to start a Tet offensive? In reality TSPA wants no talks - just an illusion of talks, while its proxies bomb their way to force Obama to cut and run fast

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The US needs to grasp that it has no alternative but to concede Pakistan's legitimate interests in Afghanistan. Pakistan is not going to blink since it has high stakes on the Afghan chessboard and Washington is nobody to dictate how to frame its interests. Ok then, we all need to bend over and take it up the rear now that we have no hope against the Pakjabis :x :roll:

The only course available for the US is to rein in the irreconcilable NA elements and allow Karzai and his Pakistani interlocutors to kickstart another effort within the framework of the Afghan-Pakistan peace process. No comments, I mean - really?


Now to his blog post

The US has no alternative but to carry Pakistan along. Its Afghan policy is in such disarray that Pakistan may soon be called upon to lead the partnership in the coming period. TSPA to lead? What world is this guy living in?


This so called analyst can only see one thing from any chain of events - Unkil is losing, TSPA is winning, TSPA's goals are "legitimate" and India must bend over and take it because TSPA is so damn awesome and clever.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Agnimitra » 30 Sep 2011 22:11

Rangudu, I found myself agreeing with his opinion that India did well by not expressing any misplaced hope and jubiliation in expectatoin of hard action by the US. It was never coming.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 30 Sep 2011 22:12

Carl wrote:Rangudu, I found myself agreeing with his opinion that India did well by not expressing any misplaced hope and jubiliation in expectatoin of hard action by the US. It was never coming.


Of course, but read the context in which he is saying that. TSPA's goals are "legitimate"? Seriously? Then why not say 26/11 was in pursuit of TSPA's "legitimate greivances" with India?

Also, let's be clear on this. It is no means certain that Unkil is done with the pressure or is caving in. There is a strong wuss faction in the US, especially in the White House, but the other side is just as powerful and relentless. To not see the tides turning against TSPA is to miss the forest for the trees. Virtually the entire MKB "analysis" has gone bust because Karzai just disinvited Gilani and issued a Presidential Statement yesterday ending (at least temporarily) TSP's role in the talks.

The situation is in flux, but to consistently interpret any piece of news as "TSPA is brilliant, they are winning", etc. is laughable.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Agnimitra » 30 Sep 2011 22:13

Of course, how he gets to the same conclusion leaves me gasping.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 30 Sep 2011 22:16

Paki should use some Aid money and hire MKB to utilize his diplomatic skill in promoting their interests in international fora. His services can be very valuable to them in granting legtimacy to Poak terrorism and extracting Zaziya.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Amber G. » 30 Sep 2011 22:26

jrjrao wrote:pyaar-mohabbat on display .....you are my khushboo and I have a crush on you".

From the same "Lalkara Hai" singer another master-piece. (Pay attention to word "khushboo" etc in the next line and relevance of the whole song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5V2STFjvyc
(Mujhe chedo na kahi bar bar re ...)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Mihaylo » 30 Sep 2011 22:31

Amber G. wrote:
A 13-year-old girl was recently expelled from her school due to alleged blasphemy. She misspelled the word ‘naat’ and that was reason enough for the school to expel her. Not for a minute did anyone pay attention to the fact that she was a student – a learner. She should have been taught what the right word was, what the right spelling was and what the mistake she made was. But instead, she was expelled, while her mother, who was a nurse, was transferred out of her hometown near Abbotabad. All that for a spelling mistake made by someone who until that day, was probably oblivious to what blasphemy even meant.

From: Dawn


What is a 13 year old girl doing in a school in an islamic country in the first place !!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 30 Sep 2011 22:39

Mihaylo wrote:From: Dawn

What is a 13 year old girl doing in a school in an islamic country in the first place !!

-M


+1 First sensible question in a long time.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby a_kumar » 30 Sep 2011 22:43

paramu wrote:September 28, 2011
US Empowered Pakistan Spy Agency
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http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asi ... 29078.html
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Photo: REUTERS
U.S. Admiral Michael Mullen on Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Sept. 22, 2011 (file photo).
Adm. Mike Mullen set off a firestorm on September 22 when he bluntly accused Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, the ISI, of backing militants’ attacks on U.S. facilities in Afghanistan.

In a Congressional testimony that the White House has since refused to endorse, the outgoing chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff alleged ISI agents have been using militants as proxies to maintain regional influence.

"In choosing to use violent extremism as an instrument of policy, the government of Pakistan jeopardizes ... the prospect of our strategic partnership," he told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday.

But the U.S. bears some responsibility for putting the ISI directorate in its current position of prominence.

The ISI first used Islamic militants to foster policy goals in neighboring Afghanistan in the 1980's war against Soviet occupation , and did so with active assistance from the CIA. Professor Owen Sirrs of the University of Montana, who is researching a new book on the ISI, says the CIA let the ISI decide how huge amounts of cash, weapons and other aid would be allocated among the Afghan anti-Soviet fighting groups.

"We acknowledged that ISI was going to be the filter between us and the Afghan mujahedin against the Soviets," he says. "That gave ISI tremendous power because then they could essentially decide who was going to be the future kings of Afghanistan, the future leadership of Afghanistan. ISI played a kingmaker role, and we essentially allowed this to happen.”


This absurd narrative (highlighted) has been appearing too frequently in the media. It needs to be tackled, before it becomes mainstream! Big bang did not happen in 1980's.

It is interesting how easy it has been for Pakistan to take US (strategic community and analysts) on a guilt trip! Anyway, my comments that got published.

quote "FIRST used Islamic militants … in the 1980's war against Soviet occupation"
This narrative is sickening and gives too much credit to the CIA /US establishment. Sorry it is the other way round, it is US which got suckered and used (willingly). Pakistani army (ISI is just an extension) has been using millitants as proxies since its birth. It has made a science of using "militants, terrorists, non-state actors , tribals" as a state policy and US was convenient financer for Afghanistan.

Contd. 1947 : Pakistani army took control of what is now referred to Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) in India by sending in army regulars as tribals. Has anybody wondered how “occupation by tribals” has morphed into “coming under control of Pakistan”? (Refer to Operation Gulmarg)
1965 War with India : Started when armed insurgents and Pakistani Army regulars under disguise attacked Jammu&Kashmir and triggered what turned out to be a full-blown war with India (Refer to Operation Gibralter)

Contd (last) 1990's : Taliban Invasion of Afghanistan : US had nothing to do with it. It was created by Pakistani army with its own hands in order to keep Afghanistan under its sphere of influence. The Strategic community is missing forest for the trees, by laying it on ISI (which reports to Army) or suggesting 1980s was the first time it happened. Using non-state actors by Pakistan is not solely for US in Cold war, it is in the DNA of the army and will bring the world down!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ramana » 30 Sep 2011 22:46

And that comes from the founder of ISI Maj Gen Cawthorne and his pref for irregular troops as Mountbatten's chief of intelligence in WWII in the Burma sector.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Altair » 30 Sep 2011 22:46

Rangudu
There is a whole lot of people who hold the same line of thinking as MKB especially in GoI and Indian media. It could be a product of group think or some misplaced intellectual arrogance. Like you said in another context, we would be missing a forest for trees if we ignore the number of people who agree with MKB.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Karna_A » 30 Sep 2011 22:50

Rangudu wrote:MK Bhadrakumar's latest piece of garbage

I ask again, how did this guy ever become a diplomat of any note for India? And how many of his ilk are still there?


Chairman of the US Senate Intelligence Committee Dianne Feinstein has written to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that on the basis of the testimony given by the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee Mike Mullen, the Haqqani group "meets the standards for designation" as a terrorist organization. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has agreed with Mullen's testimony.

In such a scenario, logically, the US would have to consider at some stage declaring Pakistan as a state sponsoring terrorism, putting at risk the entire future of the "war on terror".


There is no future of "war on terror" anyway if it's not against TSPA.
TSPA is just playing with semantics when it says that Haqqanis are doing terrorism when it's well known that for every terror attack they are getting phone instructions from ISI in real time just as it was during 26/11 and Kandahar.

I guess Unkil should start playing with semantics and a carrot and stick policy also in following order:
(a) Declare Haqqanis as a terrorist organization : Most probably nothing will change
(b) Declare ISI "S" wing as a terrorist org as anyway most people in that are retired TSPA/TSPN officers and not serving.
With that give the carrot, that rest of ISI has been really helpful in war on terror but a rotten wing is a terror org. (This may have some effect)
(c) Declare ISI as a whole as a Terror org saying that TSPA is helpful in terror fight but whole of ISI is rotten.
Give carrots to TSPA, but tighten on ISI. (This may have little bigger effect, but still not game changing).
(d) Declare TSPA as a terrorist org and say that TSPA is terrorizing not only Afghans but also pakistanis, so it needs disbanding.
This may also work more, but still it may not be the solution.

Bottomline is, instead of declaring the whole of TSP as a terror org, pick and choose orgs within TSP like Chinese food, and play with semantics, just like TSPA does, to weaken its hold on terror central.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Manny » 30 Sep 2011 23:59

Woot! Woot! Two Americans were bombed to smithereens in this WOT. Allah Hu Akbar"

American Anwar al-Awlaki and American Samir Khan are dead. Dead as a door knob! Morte!

Hope this would makes all the Anti Americans happy! :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Upendra » 01 Oct 2011 00:00

virgin lovers may be planning attack on uncle's embassy in islamabad, uncle feverishly trying to make it bomb-proof

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 01 Oct 2011 00:00

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/house ... hairwoman/
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) predicted the lower chamber would withhold all U.S. assistance to Pakistan at some point.Such a move reflects ongoing questions about the strength of U.S.-Pakistani relations given the discovery of Osama bin Laden deep in Pakistan’s territory earlier this year.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 01 Oct 2011 00:09

Angry Kaffir Auliya And Momin Slave

America loses patience with Pakistan
( Itna na inse tuu pee aar jautta, Poaker Pagal Awara)
We are witnessing the death spasms of an alliance that has been in meltdown from the day it began. Pakistan helped ferry al-Qaeda fighters from Afghanistan after 9/11, and spent the following years helping the Taliban to build up their strength. In 2009, the US tried to repair this by promising billions of dollars and a “strategic partnership” of equals. But a series of incidents this year – from the imprisonment of an American spy to the raid that killed Osama bin Laden – underscores the profound disillusionment felt by a generation of US officials. There is a dawning realisation that no amount of money will compel Pakistan’s out-of-control army to stop aiding insurgents like the Haqqani network and international terrorists like Lashkar-e-Taiba, responsible for the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Even as jihadi outfits tear apart the Pakistani state, the generals can’t give up their addiction to proxy warriors. But if they keep acting like an enemy, the Americans have no choice but to treat them like one.other states like Iran and Russia will not sit by as Afghanistan burns, but also because the issue is so dramatically public. Mullen may be on the cusp of retirement, but he has made sure that his successors cannot ignore this provocation from Pakistan without taking a blow to their reputation. For 30 years, Pakistan has taken on India in covert wars stretching from Punjab to Kashmir to Afghanistan. But taking on the US is a different matter.
Pakistan’s foreign minister, responding to Mullen, warned that “you will lose an ally… you cannot afford to alienate Pakistan”. But more and more policymakers are calling Pakistan’s bluff. It’s no longer tenable that the fulcrum of US strategy in central Asia is also the world’s most egregious state sponsor of terrorism. I call this a case of duelling fictions: Pakistan pretends to care about counterterrorism, and the US pretends to care for Pakistani sovereignty.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 01 Oct 2011 00:17

Jhota Chonna te Snake Oil bechna

Why the U.S. needs to make nice with Pakistan
Vali Nasr

Breaking with Pakistan at this juncture is risky. Chances are slim that doing so will change Pakistani behavior. The far more likely outcome is that the stakes will be raised in Afghanistan.The U.S. raid on Osama bin Laden’s hideout in May changed all that. Convinced of Pakistani duplicity, Washington kept the mission a secret, and that humiliated and angered the Pakistani military. Relations then spiraled downward as Washington demanded more cooperation on fighting terrorism and Pakistan provided less. The embassy attack finally pushed the relationship over the edge.Yet Pakistan’s cooperation is still critical to U.S. objectives in Afghanistan, and a breach in U.S.-Pakistan relations could put peace and security in Afghanistan beyond reach. Pakistan’s military leaders think they can do without American aid in the short run and absorb U.S. diplomatic pressure long enough to realize their own interests in Afghanistan. Pakistan sees Afghanistan through the prism of its regional rivalry with India; it fears that a strong and independent Afghanistan will take India’s side and would then lay claim to Pakistan’s Pashtun areas. For the past two decades, Islamabad has used the Taliban to avoid that outcome. Pakistan’s strategic calculus is too deeply entrenched and the stakes in Afghanistan are too high for Islamabad to change course over the threat of curtailed U.S. aid.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Dilbu » 01 Oct 2011 00:17

Change of guard: No solution in Afghanistan minus Pakistan, says Mullen
WASHINGTON: There can be no solution to the conflict in Afghanistan without Pakistan, the outgoing Joint Chief’s of Staff Committee (JCSC) chairman, Admiral Mike Mullen said on Friday.
“I continue to believe that there is no solution in the region without Pakistan, and no stable future in the region without a partnership,” Mullen said at a ceremony where he stood down from the post, handing it over to the incoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey.
“I urge Marty to remember the importance of Pakistan to all of this, to try and do a better job than I did with that vexing and yet vital relationship,” Mullen added in remarks.
“Our strategy is the right one. We must keep executing it.”

Mullen is now definitely backtracking. May be under pressure from Ombaba's office. If they were playing good cop bad cop with his statements earlier then how effective is it to make the incoming chief look desperately in need of assistance from TSP?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Dilbu » 01 Oct 2011 00:21

IED mubarak. But it is a dot ball.
3 low intensity bombs rock Anarkali Bazaar
LAHORE: Three low intensity bombs on Friday went off at Anarkali Chowk here. However, no loss of life was reported.

As per media reports, three low intensity bombs, planted in a gutter located on the road leading to Government College from Anarkali Chowk, exploded causing panic in the area.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Dilbu » 01 Oct 2011 00:25

Obama won't back Mullen's claim on Pakistan :roll:
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is declining to endorse strong criticism of Pakistan leveled by the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, while saying Pakistan must do more to deal with insurgents.

Obama was asked on a radio show Friday about Adm. Mike Mullen's claim that the Haqqani network "acts as a veritable arm" of Pakistan's intelligence agency.

The president said Mullen's statement "expressed frustration" over the insurgent safe havens in Pakistan. But Obama said "the intelligence is not as clear as we might like in terms of what exactly that relationship is." :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby BijuShet » 01 Oct 2011 01:01

From Tribune news story(posting in full). Is it black lentils or nothing at all you decide.
CDA seals 'illegal' US warehouse
Published: September 30, 2011
CDA sealed it as per rules and regulations and placed a contingent outside the warehouse.

ISLAMABAD: The Capital Development Authority (CDA) sealed an illegally constructed warehouse on Friday in Islamabad being used by the US embassy.

A CDA spokesperson told the media that the building is located in the I-9 Sector of Islamabad and was being used by the US embassy.

CDA sealed it as per rules and regulations and placed a contingent outside the warehouse.

Earlier – a beverage factory was established on the land but the owner later converted the factory into a warehouse after seeking permission from CDA.

However, the owner also built underground halls illegally inside the warehouse. CDA served several notices to the owner but he did not reply.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Dipanker » 01 Oct 2011 01:02

Dilbu wrote:Obama won't back Mullen's claim on Pakistan :roll:
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is declining to endorse strong criticism of Pakistan leveled by the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, while saying Pakistan must do more to deal with insurgents.

Obama was asked on a radio show Friday about Adm. Mike Mullen's claim that the Haqqani network "acts as a veritable arm" of Pakistan's intelligence agency.

The president said Mullen's statement "expressed frustration" over the insurgent safe havens in Pakistan. But Obama said "the intelligence is not as clear as we might like in terms of what exactly that relationship is." :rotfl:


Unbelievable!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby BijuShet » 01 Oct 2011 01:20

From Tribune news story (posting in full). Future is not going to be bright for more TSPians.
Pakistanis spending less on education than before
By Saba Imtiaz - Published: September 30, 2011
Fewer children being enrolled at government–run schools, Balochistan and KP continue to fare badly. PHOTO: EXPRESS/FILE

KARACHI: Pakistanis are spending less on education now than they did three years ago while primary enrollment at government-run schools has decreased by two percentage points over the same period, according to recently released surveys.

When campaigning for the 2008 general elections, political parties pledged to increase spending on and improve the standard and quality of education while the 18th Amendment to the constitution made education a fundamental right.

The extent to which those promises have materialized, however, is evident from the Pakistan Social and Living Standards Measurement (PSLM) survey for 2010 – 2011, conducted by the Federal Bureau of Statistics (FBS).

For one, the adult literacy rate has only increased by 1%, to 55%. Satisfaction with educational services was at 60%, down from 62% in 2008-2009.

According to prominent educationist Prof Anita Ghulam Ali, the dissatisfaction is because of confusion over government policies. “Look at the state of primary schools and colleges, absenteeism of teachers and the lack of discipline. The government keeps chopping and changing its policy, and what is the outcome? Ultimately parents will want to opt for an O’ or A’ levels system and try to send their children to private schools that are unaffordable.”

Data compiled by the FBS for household income and consumption expenditure proves Ali’s assessment right. Spending on education in urban areas has decreased to 4.82% of average monthly expenditure, compared to 5.26% in 2007-2008. In rural areas, the percentage decreased to 2.51% from 2.94%.

Education for women remains dismal. Only 47% of the women surveyed in four provinces had ever been to school, as compared to 71% of the men. Balochistan fares the worst on this indicator, with only 39% of the urban female population and 13% of the rural female population having ever attended school.

Ali, who heads the Sindh Education Foundation, said that while there was always a wide difference in urban and rural educational facilities, the inequality is growing.

“The kind of people who are appointed as administrators, and I’m sorry to say, even the teachers in rural areas … there’s no control. No one seems to evaluate what the teachers are doing or what the students have absorbed.”

Astonishingly, in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s districts of Shangla, Kohistan, Battagram and Buner and Harnai, Awaran, Washuk, Musa Khel and Sherani in Balochistan, 0% of the urban male and female population surveyed had attended school.
Published in The Express Tribune, September 30th, 2011.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby KrishnaK » 01 Oct 2011 02:11

Rangudu,
Pretty much all of bhadrakumar's articles have been reflexively anti-US for as long as I've been on this forum.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Amber G. » 01 Oct 2011 02:18

Two images ...

From two different parts of the world ....

Posted without comments...
In America ...
Image

And ...Reaction to this ... in Pak...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby RamaY » 01 Oct 2011 02:59

^ shows the nature of Muslims around the world.

The perception can be changed only when the so-called silent majority denounces the violent ideologies in Islam.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rangudu » 01 Oct 2011 04:04

Other than the obvious disarray within the Obama admin and the inherent weakness of the man, there is clearly one reason for BO himself to walk back Mullen's comments - USG has decided to designate the Haqqani Network as a terror group. Because if the network is designated as such and Mullen's comments stand, all it takes is one Senator to move the process along to force the USG to designate TSP as a TS. By making these comments, USG retains the TS designation as a somewhat useful threat, which can be used later. But there can be no doubt that the people who matter in TSP will read this as a sign of American weakness and try to overreach once more.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Dipanker » 01 Oct 2011 04:40

Well the Haqqani group has been very quite post American embassy atttack since the Mullen testimony, so obviously TSPA has asked them to be quite for a while. Doesn't that reflect the nature of relationship between Haqqani group and the TSPA?

Ombaba, the weak man does not want to take any risk prior to Nov. 2012.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Pranay » 01 Oct 2011 05:16

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 190412.cms

Can someone please tell the Indian Home Minister - who self admittedly has a short memory - what happened to Osama Bin Laden!!

I'm sure the American "Home Minister" was not allowed to come to Pakistan and point out Osama's hangout.

Is P. Chidambaram for real?? Does he think that the people of India are a bunch of retards??

If he had any sense of self respect/competence then he would have had Dawood join Osama in diving competition in the Arabian Sea.

With Home Ministers such as these ... Dawood must be laughing his head off.

Asked about Dawood's presence in Karachi as claimed by the don's brother Anis Ibrahim in telephonic conversations with the media, Chidambaram said, "This is not new either. I think we know more than what Dawood Ibrahim's brother told you. We know where he is but surely no one is allowing, no one will allow me to go to the place and point out his house."

He said the matter was raised with Pakistan on several occasions. "We have raised it with Pakistan. I have raised it with my counterparts. They are in flat denial. They deny that Dawood Ibrahim is in Pakistan. What is there we can do from India except some day or the other that it will be exposed as a lie," the home minister said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby kasthuri » 01 Oct 2011 06:10

I happened to come across this article and felt how moronic Michael O'Hanlon is (never mind CNN). Looks like The Brookings Institution has a bunch of crooks. Here is a classic sampler:

Afghanistan should be willing to ask India to shut down its consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar. Pakistan sees these as likely outposts for Indian intelligence operatives. Its fears are probably unwarranted, but the consulates are not worth the resulting strain on the relationship and can be closed as part of a deal.


Didn't want to waste the BRF space posting the entire article. Here is the link.

How to get Pakistan to cooperate with the U.S. in Afghanistan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby paramu » 01 Oct 2011 06:23

Check the comment
How the dialogue from a Paki to an American has been going on for 30 years

rm1007
Here is what it will take Pakistan to cooperate.

Recognition of sacrifices that Pakistani people have made in this war
Resolution by USA and NATO whether they are with Pakistan or against it
Kicking India out of Afghanistan
Handing over keys of Indian Occupied Kashmir to Pakistan. Indian Punjab to be deeded over to Pakistan
Marshall Plan for Pakistan
Highway, airport, seaport, rail linkages to Turkey, Shanghai, Central Asia to Russia
Nuclear Plants for energy generation. Dams and other generation plants
Aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, fighter jets, drones, tanks etc to be provided to Pakistan for a 600k fighting
force

READY TO MAKE A DEAL? If so, call me/leave a message. We can wrap this up tomorrow and US/Nato forces can leave by Monday. What say you?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby CRamS » 01 Oct 2011 06:32

kasthuri wrote:I happened to come across this article and felt how moronic Michael O'Hanlon is (never mind CNN). Looks like The Brookings Institution has a bunch of crooks. Here is a classic sampler:

How to get Pakistan to cooperate with the U.S. in Afghanistan


Absolutely stunning piece of BS. And did the moron even read what he wrote. Karzai cannot oppose TSP because that means US blood. But TSP taking US blood needs to be appeased. What a bloody crook.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Pranay » 01 Oct 2011 07:45

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world ... 9DD0A9EB4D

US assures Pakistan - no Boots on the ground...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Pranay » 01 Oct 2011 07:47

Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/world/asia/pakistan-us-assures-ally-no-boots-on-the-ground.html?_r=1&ref=world&gwh=1C790CF6CE32ADD30A2FAC9DD0A9EB4D

US assures Pakistan - No Boots on the ground...


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