Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Narad » 08 Oct 2011 13:07

Dry GUBO yielding results

WASHINGTON: US and Pakistani officials say Pakistan’s spy agency has quietly stepped up cooperation with the CIA to hunt al Qaeda, despite a string of public criticism by US officials.

Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper says Pakistan’s spy agency has been cooperative and helpful, after a series of blunt meetings between intelligence chiefs :rotfl: following the covert US raid that killed Osama bin Laden inside Pakistan.

US and Pakistani officials say Pakistan has recently arrested several al Qaeda suspects at the CIA’s request, and allowed the CIA to question terrorist detainees again. The officials spoke anonymously to discuss sensitive strategic matters.

The officials also say that Pakistan, for now, has stopped demanding that the CIA suspend the covert drone strikes in Pakistan’s tribal areas. :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SSridhar » 08 Oct 2011 13:47

SureshP wrote:The man accused of carrying money from the ISI to Nabi Fai is found dead in Pakistan. Fancy that !!! Who would have thunk it

Pakistani accused in US of spy links dies

ISLAMABAD: A doctor charged in the United States with working for Pakistan’s spy agency to influence American lawmakers on their policy toward the disputed Kashmir region has died in Islamabad after suffering a stroke.

Too much of a coincidence that Dr Zaheer suddenly had a stroke.

Don't we remember the case of the three princes of KSA who died mysteriously ? One died of a heart attack, another in a car crash the very next day and the third died, a week later, of 'thirst'. They were all royal intermediaries, along with a PAF Air Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, with OBL before 9/11. Seven months later, Air Marshal Mir also died in a plane crash in clear weather when possibly a crate of mangoes did him in.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SSridhar » 08 Oct 2011 13:52

Narad wrote:Dry GUBO yielding results

WASHINGTON: US and Pakistani officials say Pakistan’s spy agency has quietly stepped up cooperation with the CIA to hunt al Qaeda, despite a string of public criticism by US officials.

Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper says Pakistan’s spy agency has been cooperative and helpful, after a series of blunt meetings between intelligence chiefs . . .


So, what is the quid-pro-quo ? Pakistan wouldn't do anything for the US without demanding something against India. What is it this time ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby VikramS » 08 Oct 2011 13:55

SSridhar wrote:
Don't we remember the case of the three princes of KSA who died mysteriously ? One died of a heart attack, another in a car crash the very next day and the third died, a week later, of 'thirst'. They were all royal intermediaries, along with a PAF Air Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, with OBL before 9/11. Seven months later, Air Marshal Mir also died in a plane crash.


Of all the things in the GOAT, this dying of "thirst" has always intrigued my imagination? How can a rich Saudi prince die of thirst of all things? Was it straight out of some Western movie with the prince tied to a camel which then treks across the desert....

I think that talk of his dying of thirst was perhaps to send a message to anyone who cared..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SureshP » 08 Oct 2011 14:11

parsuram wrote:Re:
Ahmed was not arrested in Pakistan and never commented on the allegations. He had dual US and Pakistani citizenship.


No such thing - other than in the delusional maghaz of dawn copy writers. The guy was in violation of US citizenship laws by having aliegance to the paki, and would have lost his US citizenship were it proved that he travelled on any document other than a US passport. If any here know of any other such incidents of a paki travelling on a paki passport and holding US citizenship, please call it in on any one of anonymous phone lines established by the US for turning in such traitor terrorists.


On the question of Dual nationalities and the slimy Haroon Haqqani the Pak UN ambassador

Haqqani to sue Nawa-i-Waqt for Rs1bn on nationality claim

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani has sent a notice of defamation to Nawa-i-Waqt Group of publications for publishing a column that alleged that he is a US citizen.

The notice sent by Haqqani’s lawyer, Advocate Akhtar Awan, states that on September 26, the daily Nawa-i-Waqt published a defamatory column that claimed, among other things, that Pakistan’s ambassador to the US held a nationality other than the nationality of Pakistan. The states that the column written by Muhammad Ajmal Niazi was defamatory and propagated a deliberate lie with the view to malign the Pakistani ambassador. According to Article 8 of the Defamation Ordinance 2002, publishing an untrue claim is subject to libel and defamation proceedings.

According to Haqqani’s lawyer, the false allegation had damaged his reputation and his ability to function for the good of Pakistan as its representative in the United States at a critical juncture. The legal notice stressed that Husain Haqqani had never held, obtained or applied for citizenship status in the United States or any country other than Pakistan, had sometimes worked overseas like millions of patriotic Pakistanis while maintaining his commitment to and citizenship of Pakistan. The notice asked the writer, Ajmal Niazi, Editor-in-Chief Majid Nizami, and Printer-Publisher Ramiza Majid Niazmi to publish a prominently placed apology or present proof, if they have any, to substantiate their allegation within 14 days of the receipt of the notice.

Haqqani’s lawyer concluded by saying that if an apology was not published within the stipulated period, the writer of the defamatory article, as well as the editor, publisher and printer, would be pursued in the courts of Pakistan and in other countries, where the publication may be read online or otherwise, for damages to the tune of one billion rupees.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C10%5C08%5Cstory_8-10-2011_pg7_28

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby sunnyP » 08 Oct 2011 17:00

Newspaper supports ban on Indian films

Cultural ‘invasion' by neighbour deplored


Islamabad: A leading Pakistani newspaper yesterday sought a ban on Indian films, warning this was the only way to help the local cinema "develop and thrive".

The Nation said the government should meet a demand made in Lahore on Wednesday by a group of artists, singers and directors that cinema houses should stop screening Indian films.

"This would help the national film industry develop and thrive," the daily said in an editorial.

It warned that "by not banning Bollywood films being shown in every nook and cranny of the country, we would only be letting the Indians succeed in their ploy of invading us culturally". :rotfl:

A 1965 ban on Indian films in Pakistan was lifted only in 2008. But despite the ban, Bollywood productions were a craze all over the country.

Bollywood stars are a household name in Pakistan. Shah Rukh Khan and Amitabh Bachchan are the most popular actors while Aishwarya Rai and Rani Mukherjee are among the most sought-after actresses.

The lifting of the ban in 2008 legalised Indian films, which until then would mostly be smuggled.


http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan ... s-1.887432

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby jrjrao » 08 Oct 2011 17:02

This deserves a place in the first page collection of links:

Pakistan’s sponsorship of terrorism is undeniable
COMMENTARY
BY JOEL BRINKLEY
The United States has begun divorce proceedings with Pakistan, and not a moment too soon.

After Admiral Michael Mullen shot his broadside at Pakistan’s intelligence service last week, accusing it of helping the Haqqani militant group attack the U.S. embassy in Afghanistan, Pakistani politicians responded with angry, smug, sanctimonious assertions that there is no choice but to continue putting up with Pakistan, no matter what.

“You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan,” Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar averred. And Prime Minister Yusaf Raza Gilani confidently asserted: “You can’t live with us — or without us.”

Think again. A few days later, the Obama administration opened negotiations to improve relations with Uzbekistan, Afghanistan’s authoritarian neighbor to the north.
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Consider the alternative. Pakistan kills human-rights workers — and its own children. It uses gang rape as a government-sanctioned punishment. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan records several hundred incidents a year in which women and children are hung, set ablaze, electrocuted, poisoned, stabbed, axed to death, strangled or buried alive as punishment for an indiscretion committed by someone else in the family.

Finally, after all the angry denunciations of Mullen’s remarks, Pakistani officials tacitly admitted that what he said was at least partly true. Lt. Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha, head of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, said the I.S.I. does have contact with the Haqqani network — but not with its “militant wing.”

Huh? The Haqqanis are a tight-knit family that commands a large, murderous organization. It doesn’t have nonviolent “wings.”


Last year, General Pasha canceled a trip to London after British Prime Minister David Cameron accused Pakistan of promoting “the export of terror.”

So why isn’t Pakistan properly designated as a state sponsor of terror? Congress is already preparing to condition financial aid on the state’s willingness to take on its murderous militants. Last summer, Pakistan formally announced that it had no plans to attack North Waziristan, the militant haven, and nothing seems to have changed since. Might that reduce American aid?

Some members of Congress seem ready to fight. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican on the Armed Services Committee, declared: “We need to put Pakistan on notice: All options are on the table.”

The United States has already sanctioned five senior members of the Haqqani clan and captured one in Afghanistan recently. A few days ago, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said “we are in the final formal review that has to be undertaken to make a government-wide decision to designate the network as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.”

The Haqqani network is responsible for killing dozens if not hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan — not to mention that attack on the embassy. So what’s the debate?

Well, a terrorist designation would bring larger consequences. The Haqqanis are headquartered in western Pakistan, despite Islamabad’s lame claim that their base is actually over the border in Afghanistan. They are getting assistance from Pakistan; the Pakistanis admit it.

So what choice would Washington have but to certify the obvious truth: Pakistan is a state sponsor of terror.

Joel Brinkley, a former foreign correspondent, writes for Tribune Media Services.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby krishna_krishna » 08 Oct 2011 17:54

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 276881.cms


Mushy got bullions from sitting into lectures

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby CRamS » 08 Oct 2011 18:35

krishna_krishna wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Musharraf-paying-25000-per-month-to-lobbyist-to-promote-interests-in-US/articleshow/10276881.cms


Mushy got bullions from sitting into lectures


Nothing new. US always harbours terrorists and dictators who serve its interests well.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby parsuram » 08 Oct 2011 18:51

SureshP:

Re:
On the question of Dual nationalities and the slimy Haroon Haqqani the Pak UN ambassador


Quote:
Haqqani to sue Nawa-i-Waqt for Rs1bn on nationality claim

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani has sent a notice of defamation to Nawa-i-Waqt Group of publications for publishing a column that alleged that he is a US citizen.


We can pretty much bank on the paki's ambassador being a US citizen. It is a sure bet that he is unlikely to retire in the paradise that is the paki. He no doubt has a comfortable residence in the most desirable parts of NY or Washington or Boston,et cetera, or the suburbs thereof. The paki does provide for its bstrd sons as they would like. It is merely completion of the natural loop by which US "humanitarian/development aid" comes back to Dawshington, We See. So the miserable rag, Nawa-i-waqt will not publish any retraction, and the the esteemed ambasador will not sue. Such revelations about the paki's representatives abroad have long since stopped being embarrasing for the paki, and merely represents the truth - a very rare comodity easily drowned in the paki's ocean of lies that sloshes throughout the paki.

Oh, and CRamS, re:
Nothing new. US always harbours terrorists and dictators who serve its interests well.


The US probably expects that tin pot dick-tators like mushy will bring the loot back home, which probably never left the cozy confines of Home sweet America, which is the harbor & home port for mushy & his brood of paki chilluns.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby jrjrao » 08 Oct 2011 19:00

Chicago Tribune:

What to do about Pakistan
By Peter Tomsen
For decades, Pakistan has conducted a proxy war in Afghanistan through Islamist insurgent groups that it has created, nurtured and supplied. There is considerable evidence that these groups are managed not by "rogue" ISI elements, as has sometimes been asserted, but by the agency itself. The ISI is a disciplined military institution that answers to the orders of the military command...

The U.S. campaign against global terrorism cannot succeed as long as Pakistan's army and ISI continue to support terrorist sanctuaries and training facilities inside Pakistan. The same training camps used to prepare thousands of Afghan, Pakistani and Arab fanatics to cross into Afghanistan also churn out global terrorists like the Pakistani American Faisal Shahzad, who tried to bomb Times Square last year.

Americans need to realize that terrorists' attempts to strike the United States from sanctuaries in Pakistan will occur again and again unless their bases are closed down. Bombs targeting American cities will inevitably become more lethal with time. Today they are conventional. Tomorrow they are likely to be biological, chemical or nuclear.


The George W. Bush and Obama administrations' "soft" policy of persuasion mixed with bountiful aid and expectations of progress has failed. The U.S. needs to take a much harder stance on Pakistan's promotion of Islamist terrorism in the region and globally.

Washington has the capability to bring great pressure to bear on Pakistan to encourage it to change course. The U.S. should privately and clearly convey to Pakistan's army and ISI that it will be compelled to implement escalating measures if Pakistan does not close down the ISI-sustained terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan.

Among other pressures the U.S. can bring to bear are the severance of all military and economic aid, the designation of the three Afghan terrorist organizations as foreign terrorist organizations, the naming of Pakistan itself as a state sponsor of terrorism and the declassification of information exposing the terrorist bases in Pakistan and the ISI's involvement in them.

The Obama administration needs to implement a Pakistan policy that serves America's national security interests. It must be constructed for the long term and be responsive to Pakistan's actions. There should be incentives employed to encourage the dismantling of terrorists organizations that the ISI has created and sustained. And there should be consequences if it does not.

The United States cannot afford to indulge Pakistan's support for terrorism any longer. The risks of sticking with the status quo are greater than the risks of adopting a tougher approach.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 08 Oct 2011 19:06

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/books ... eview.html

In this review of Steven Pinker's new book, Peter Singer observes the following:
That morality can be grounded in some commitment to treating others as we would like them to treat us is an ancient idea, expressed in the golden rule and in similar thoughts in the moral traditions of many other civilizations, but Pinker is surely right to say that the escalator of reason leads us to it. It is this kind of moral thinking, Pinker points out, that helps us escape traps like the Cuban missile crisis, which, if the fate of the world had been in the hands of leaders under the sway of a different kind of morality — one dominated by ideas of honor and the importance of not backing down — might have been the end of the human story. Fortunately Kennedy and Khrushchev understood the trap they were in and did what was necessary to avoid disaster.


I'm pondering right now whether one of the problems is that India and Pakistan are differently gripped by this morality "dominated by ideas of honor and the importance of not backing down", and that is one reason for the utter failure to communicate with them.

E.g., this I found somewhat grotesque:
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has claimed ''victory'' in the recent stand-off with the US, saying he has received a message from Washington that America needs Pakistan's support to win the war on terror.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SSridhar » 08 Oct 2011 19:48

From Khaled Ahmed's 'Haqqani Problem' article in TFT this week
The Pakistan Army, which calls all the shots in Pakistan, may be leaning on pragmatism in its policy towards the Haqqani Network: it will not say that it is unable to take on the 'foreigners' because of the feelings of common cause they arouse inside the Pakistan Army or because it is more determined to keep to the compass of its supreme goal of keeping India out of Afghanistan and facing its army, if need be, on the eastern border.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby chaanakya » 08 Oct 2011 20:10

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... 276788.cms

Based in Karachi, Pakistani director Faisal Aman Khan, whose movie on Imran Khan titled 'Kaptaan' is already created ripples, talks about the debate on banning Indian movies in Pakistan

But when I watched the movies made by these filmmakers of ours, I realized there was nothing Pakistani about those films. They were all cheap copies of Indian movies.

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The sort of movies being made by our filmmakers is a disgrace.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Nandu » 08 Oct 2011 21:17

SureshP wrote:On the question of Dual nationalities and the slimy Haroon Haqqani the Pak UN ambassador

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C10%5C08%5Cstory_8-10-2011_pg7_28

I suggest you carefully re-read the article you posted.
There is no Haroon Haqqani.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby sum » 08 Oct 2011 21:18

Just loooove Pak. Isloo bob, Rehman Malik to get a hakimgiri for restoring peace in Karachi :rotfl: :rotfl: :
Pak: Rehman Malik to get PhD for peace

Islamabad: Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik will be conferred an honorary doctorate for "bringing peace" to Karachi, a city that has hit by spiraling violence, a media report said Friday.

Pak: Rehman Malik to get PhD for peace
Karachi University Vice Chancellor Pirzada Qasim confirmed to reporters and said the award was being given to the minister for his "services to bring peace to Karachi".

Honestly, every news from TSP looks BENIS-worthy...

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ManuT » 08 Oct 2011 21:19

ABDULLAH HUSSAIN HAROON

I remember him from the TV interviews he was giving outside UN after Mumbai attacks time in 2008. I am surprised he is still warming the same seat in the same place.

Security Council 6034th Meeting (AM & PM)
9 December 2008

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2008/sc9524.doc.htm

ABDULLAH HUSSAIN HAROON ( Pakistan) said he was deeply troubled by the events in Mumbai, as well as, a few days later, similar violence in Peshawar, in his own country, which he said showed the common experience of all States that were victims of terrorism. His President had pledged to bring to justice anyone found to have been involved in those attacks. Not only was Pakistan not involved in the attacks in any way, but it, too, was subject to such attacks, and had taken action against extremist groups who sought, in any way, to destroy the peace of the country and its neighbours. In that context, he was a bit surprised by the strong denouement of the Indian statement. The best response to the Mumbai carnage was to cooperate in the struggle and to support Pakistan’s fight against terrorism. Terrorist acts against Pakistani citizens had originated in India, as well.

The best outcome of the tragedy would be the resolution of the issue of Kashmir. In addition, mullahs from Indian provinces could cooperate in promoting a fatwah against suicide bombings and other forms of violence in both countries. The Government of Pakistan had already instigated an investigation, on its own, of the Mumbai attacks, and prepared a strategy to arrest individuals found to be part of those attacks and to provide effective supervision of various welfare organizations that could have provided support. His Government had also reached out in various ways to India. In the broader fight against terrorism, it was crucial to formulate comprehensive strategies. Simplistic approaches would only create more problems. Initiatives to promote international harmony were critical, as well as political solutions to long, unresolved conflicts such as Kashmir and Palestine, and as appropriate solutions to other root causes. He also stressed the need to strengthen democracy around the world and, most importantly, the need for the international community to stand united.



My question is this, what if they were not diplomats but Military Attaches that were car pooling to work :?:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Aditya_V » 08 Oct 2011 21:34

shiv wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:One was out of complete choice and going out of the way to help, the other was with 170 odd Indian civilian lives at stake,


This is the point I have been disputing.

"Complete choice" is one of the biggest bluffs I have heard. And needs to be called that. If the USA was able to defeat the USSR on its own, it would likely have done that. But the US required "allies" for that. The initial US alliance was with "free countries" (another part bluff statement). That was not good enough. The US then allied with all sorts of dubious nations with whom they did not want any sort of continuing deep "high caste" relationship like the US has with NATO/Britain. Those countries included China and Pakhanasatan.

You see we do follow double standards in our attitudes when we refer to certain things. "Alliances" are always one of "you scratch my back, I scratch yours". You can't escape it. When political parties "ally" with certain groups they become traitiors in India, But when the US allies with the worst examples of the same groups it is declared as US "chankianism". The US has to pay for the mistakes it makes with alliances as much as Indian political parties.

But in all cases alliance with an ideologically different "non dharmic" partner is driven by weakness. Weakness justified as "cleverness"

In an ideal scenario one must never have to ally with those who are far removed from one's own ideals. Those alliances end up being called "Chankianism" or "weakness" depending on the context of whether the alliance ends in a temporary victory or not. The treaty of Hudaibiya was a temporary alliance out of weakness. What sort of "alliance" does the US want now?


I totally disagree in my humble opinion the US and many other countries had a choice to support Good or Evil and they supported Evil for short term benefits which will have long term losses. Anyone supporting TSP is doing an evil act.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Aditya_V » 08 Oct 2011 21:35

sum wrote:Just loooove Pak. Isloo bob, Rehman Malik to get a hakimgiri for restoring peace in Karachi :rotfl: :rotfl: :
Pak: Rehman Malik to get PhD for peace

Islamabad: Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik will be conferred an honorary doctorate for "bringing peace" to Karachi, a city that has hit by spiraling violence, a media report said Friday.

Pak: Rehman Malik to get PhD for peace
Karachi University Vice Chancellor Pirzada Qasim confirmed to reporters and said the award was being given to the minister for his "services to bring peace to Karachi".

Honestly, every news from TSP looks BENIS-worthy...


Will it be withdrawn id violence starts next week :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ks das » 08 Oct 2011 21:44

An interesting article by Shekhar Gupta (Indian express):
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/natio ... d/857168/0

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Developments over the past few months may just be leading the Pakistani establishment into that state of mind. We have Admiral Mullen, and now Obama himself, accusing them of betrayal. It has, in fact, been a long time since you heard even the usual, patronising words of praise the Americans gratuitously throw at the Pakistanis. This, when the Americans are heading for their own elections, and when their plans for a phased withdrawal from Afghanistan are nearly final.

This is how the Pakistanis will read this: these guys are going away and won’t need us any more. Of course, if they are attacked from this region, they will respond with Tomahawks or drones as they do, hold your breath, in Yemen. Hold your breath, because, can you imagine the almighty, nuclear-armed Pakistan, with the fifth largest army and more civilians carrying Kalashnikovs than the rest of the world put together, being reduced to the utter irrelevance of a Yemen? Do the Americans really think they can leave us alone to deal with these Indians, or as a satellite of China with no leverage any more, globally, or in the neighbourhood?
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It is no surprise therefore that, of late, intelligence and diplomatic sources are picking up a feverish build-up in the stockpile of fissile material and tactical battlefield nuclear weapons by Pakistan. Increasingly, Pakistani officials have not merely shed all inhibition in admitting this, they are now flaunting it. Some of the best informed international sources would tell you that Pakistan is now building its fissile material and tactical nuclear arsenal at a pace greater than any other country in the world. You won’t think it will be needed to deal with their own radical gangs after the Americans leave.

To justify this, the Pakistanis cite the alleged, new Indian doctrine of cold start. It’s not even been debated or seriously war-gamed in India. But Pakistan is latching on just one statement by an outgoing Indian army chief to build an entire mythology: that India plans to carry out limited, punitive strikes into their territory, using its conventional superiority, without waiting for a full mobilisation (as in Op Parakram, 2001-02) which takes more than a month. Battlefield nuclear weapons are needed to discourage, or halt, just any such Indian misadventure.
The most worrying thing about the Pakistani strategic discourse is how lightly, simplistically and even enthusiastically it treats nuclear weapons. So, on the one hand, they say there is already nuclear deterrence in the subcontinent, and that if India had the courage to go to war with them, it would have done so. On the other, they are building tactical nukes just in case India launches a conventional attack. If they refuse to see the contradiction between the two, they also do not learn from recent history, even when it was of their own making. The same, so-called nuclear deterrence did not stop them from walking into Kargil in 1999, a full year after Pokharan and Chagai. It may even have encouraged them: now that we have nuclear deterrence, we can grab some territory and dare the Indian cowards to escalate. Therefore it is the Pakistanis who checked out the cold start doctrine (in Kargil) with disastrous results. But the Pakistani establishment has never learnt from its mistakes. And the current set of circumstances are adding up to the kind of situation where the powers that be in Islamabad are tempted to repeat some old mistakes.

So, am I predicting a major provocation? A big terror attack, an escalation on the LoC, a flare-up of some sort in the Valley? Can you predict such things? Can anybody predict an earthquake?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SwamyG » 08 Oct 2011 22:29

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/hina-p-ans ... reloaded=1

The blog is hilarious...
It's the classic tale of Bollywood's typical cinematic story: mother gives up two sons, one becomes a cop/top industrialist, the other ends up embracing the life of crime as a gangster/con man. So here we have two nations, India and Pakistan born in 1947, two orphaned children: one finds their way into unpredictable and enviable success, while the other struggles in the deep waters of corruption.


It reminds me again of the monkey-trap hypothesis. I think numerous times, it has been mentioned in BRF, radicalisation of Pakistan is the only way for Pakistan to go down. I think maybe we have to thank the Soviet, British and last but not least America for jeopardizing a "thriving" country :-)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ramana » 08 Oct 2011 22:31

Nandu wrote:
SureshP wrote:On the question of Dual nationalities and the slimy Haroon Haqqani the Pak UN ambassador

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C10%5C08%5Cstory_8-10-2011_pg7_28

I suggest you carefully re-read the article you posted.
There is no Haroon Haqqani.



Don't worry Haroon mian is a Haqqani in mind if not in actuality.

parsuram, The RAPE and Corpse Commandus have US UK citizenshp directly or indirectly thru their kids. The Colonels and below have gelf pastures. Its the majors and below who dont have parachutes yet. But on the other hand they are the jihadised Zialets.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 08 Oct 2011 23:02

If each Paki can have multiple fathers then there is no harm in keeping multiple passports.
Arabs contributed in Booty and Khatna , Persians in Taqqiya, TAP in brain and Mamma Queeeney in bad breath. in Nutshell ,Poaks are not Easy to made , onlee easy to mate .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby jaibhim » 09 Oct 2011 01:37

This is a channel one must keep track of as one of the many in the zoo. What is interesting in this land of the pure channel is the emergence of another preacher with a distinct malayalam accent which you can notice from a mile? A case of known knowns about Kerala?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcewOzY ... re=related

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby jrjrao » 09 Oct 2011 02:48

Christine Unfair continues to spread the word, this time on PBS, that Pakis are correct when they say that India is messing around in Blochistan.

Making Sense of the Latest India-Afghanistan-Pakistan Drama
The basic problem is that, according to my sources, who are not Pakistani – British diplomats, UN diplomats and increasingly Americans as well – India has been supporting the Baloch insurgents from Pakistan, [who are waging an ethnic nationalist rebellion in Pakistan's southwestern province of Balochistan].

This is not the first time that India has done this. Balochistan has been a historical place of intervention for the Indians, so this is very disconcerting to the Pakistanis.

The Indians have also historically – although they haven’t made the official proclamations to this effect in recent history – supported Afghanistan in its irredentist claims on Pashtun parts of Pakistani territory. Pakistan is concerned about India using Afghanistan to deny Pakistan strategic depth.

Finally the Northern Alliance – and of course [assassinated former president Burhannurdin] Rabbani was a key figure in that – was aided and facilitated by the Indians, and they were the only rival to Pakistan’s proxy, the Taliban.

For all of these reasons, Pakistan sees this strategic partnership between India and Afghanistan as completely detrimental to its interests.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Rana » 09 Oct 2011 03:02

None of the Republican presidential hopefuls is coming out sharply against Pakistan. They always couch their denunciation of terror support with fear for worse if strong action is taken against Pakiland. There must be support in Game Theory for this behavior - no one wants to be the first to take the plunge, thinking it may backfire, but once a single candidate begins to gain traction in foreign policy because of mocking Ombaba's weak response to Paki killing of US troops, and promises B52s and Bunker Busters, it will take a nano second for all the others to take the plunge, and Ombaba to change his tune as well. That kind of herd mentality is common is US government, opposition and media.

What will it take the first candidate to gain traction by being categorical about Pakisatan?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ashish raval » 09 Oct 2011 03:37

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: PhD in piss ! Novel subject only pakis can have a such doctorates lol

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby brihaspati » 09 Oct 2011 03:38

Can any of them afford coming out clear? As long as BO is in power, he can upstage them. Here is also one ruthless guy, and don't underestimate him. He will as quickly thrash Paki gluteals if he feels it is necessary for his political career.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby A_Gupta » 09 Oct 2011 05:44

Re: india's position on the Durand Line - I would imagine that since India's position on the border disputes with China depend on the legitimacy of British-drawn lines, contra Prof Unfair, I think India would not support Afghanistan on it.

Just what is India's position?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 09 Oct 2011 06:13

Aditya_V wrote:I totally disagree in my humble opinion the US and many other countries had a choice to support Good or Evil and they supported Evil for short term benefits which will have long term losses. Anyone supporting TSP is doing an evil act.

We have no disagreement actually. My comments were aimed more at pointing out the "double standards" that are followed when support to evil is praised as "Great wisdom" if the US does it and "weakness" when India does it. The US too supported evil out of weakness. Not strength.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 09 Oct 2011 06:22

jrjrao wrote:Christine Unfair continues to spread the word, this time on PBS, that Pakis are correct when they say that India is messing around in Blochistan.

Making Sense of the Latest India-Afghanistan-Pakistan Drama
The basic problem is that, according to my sources, who are not Pakistani – British diplomats, UN diplomats and increasingly Americans as well – India has been supporting the Baloch insurgents from Pakistan,


:rotfl: Fair "turned native" long ago. She even speaks like a subcontinental

"If you don't believe Paki me ask the Brits"

"Hamri na maano sipahiya se poochho"

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby hnair » 09 Oct 2011 06:43

Re: Khalid Ahmed's article, for someone who has been a pain on Khan's tush (and even India's and Israel's), this Hamid Gul seemed to have much longevity. And it seems the hairy Haqqanis live in mortal danger of hellphyr except.... when they are meeting with Gul.

Me thinks he must be a good source of intel for anyone willing to pay him :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 09 Oct 2011 06:56

Amrika diya Jootian te Amrika da hi Sar

Surreal estate: Former Pakistan RAPE PM Qureshi offers Embassy Row mansion for $12 million
Seller: Moeen Qureshi
Asking price: $12 million
Details: This 11-bedroom home (yes, 11) has a lot of character. It sits on half an acre nestled between the vice president’s house and Rock Creek Park; it’s owned by a former prime minister of Pakistan; and it’s currently the second highest-priced home for sale in D.C. (Georgetown’s Halcyon House still seeks a buyer, for $15 million.) The 22,000-sq.ft Mediterranean-style mega-villa actually started life as two neighboring houses that Qureshi bought in 2000 and rebuilt with a connector bridging them. (The former World Bank exec, 81, oversaw his home country for three months during a 1993 government crisis before moving into private equity.) Qureshi briefly had the mansion on the market in 2006 for $21 million, so we’re talking about a serious bargain now. There’s a pool of course. Three of those 11 bedrooms are designed for your household staff.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 09 Oct 2011 07:11

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\10\09\story_9-10-2011_pg3_2
The internet Hindu discourse—Sonali Ranade
(Yeh ChamakChallo kya keh rahi hai Poakers ko)
Internet Hindus (IH) refers to ‘tweeps’ on Twitter whose main aim in life is to denounce everything ‘secular’ as immoral and unpatriotic. They combine this morbid pastime with an intense devotion to the person of Narendra Modi. In the normal course, their rants, coming as they do from a lunatic fringe, would be dismissed as inconsequential. However, they so monopolise the discourse on secularism that it is beginning to echo through the mainstream. In a recent instance, I ran into somebody who argued that secularism was not intrinsic to the Indian constitution, being a concept inserted into it by Indira Gandhi during the emergency! It did not occur to him that the whole body of fundamental rights, which constitutes the basic structure of our constitution, guarantees a secular republic. If our understanding of secularism is this shallow, we need to worry. We have injected far too much partisan politics into secularism.
As the ruling party till the 1980s, Congress was under an obligation to articulate and establish secularism as a basic tenet of our public life. Over time, the party learnt to exploit religious and caste fault lines in our polity even as it went about preaching secularism and railing against the evil of casteism. This basic contradiction between percept and practice was brought to the fore by caste-based politics relating to quotas and reservations. To counter this divisive trend in Hindu society, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) fired the first salvo against secularism in the late 1980s. It began by denouncing its praxis by Congress as pseudo-secular as if to distinguish it from the real thing. The BJP went on to win the elections on that slogan thereby giving anti-secularism a certain electoral validity. Even so, genuine secularism was never in contention. In all probability it still is not except to a fanatical group clustered around Modi, especially after the 2002 Gujarat riots. Modi himself has never questioned the validity of the genuine genre of secularism. No politician can really afford to do so. However, that has not prevented the IH from projecting both pseudo-secularism and the real thing as something of an evil. The BJP’s ambiguity on the issue is also worrisome.revocation of fundamental rights guaranteed under the constitution? Can the Hindus come up with a codified version of Hinduism based on which we could rewrite our constitution? Would such a faith-based constitution command the consensus needed to make it work? Hinduism is not a revealed religion. It is more a collection of philosophical methods, tools and techniques to study and interpret the empirical world around us, and to learn from it. It is the very opposite of doctrinaire certitude. To be Hindu is a mode of being that best blossoms when minimalist rules permit maximal creativity. Hindus do not see the world through another’s eyes. They are required to make sense of it through their own empirical experience. Secularism that empowers empirical study free of state sponsored dogma is the natural environment in which Hinduism flourishes. It therefore comes as no surprise that we take to it like a duck takes to water. Secularism came to us much before the legalistic separation of church from state in the western world. Why then are we trashing the very concept that is our unique contribution to civilisation?The IH and the wider religious right have often argued that economic reforms are simply too esoteric to serve as a rallying point for the masses. They would rather bait the crowds with rightist rhetoric and switch to economic reforms at a later date. This is patent nonsense. As the experience in South Korea, and now China, shows, economic reforms and success at them brings about an intense nationalist resurgence. Pride in one’s own culture and civilisation follows, not precedes, economic reforms. Modi’s own success in sustaining the developmental impulse unleashed in Gujarat by economic reforms and in assimilating the same into ‘Gujarati Asmita’ shows India’s path will be no different. So, if the rightist idea is to promote their avowed nationalist agenda, the path to its achievement lies through economic reforms and not through myth-making by playing around with religious and cultural symbols. O

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Dipanker » 09 Oct 2011 07:23

Another Unfair sample:

Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?
By C. CHRISTINE FAIR Friday, Oct. 07, 2011

Ten years into the war on terrorism, Washington has at last embraced the real limits of U.S.-Pakistan coordination. That is, the U.S. understands that Pakistan will continue to support militants in India and Afghanistan as a means of accomplishing its foreign policy goals, and there's little the U.S. can do about it.

This sober appraisal was not always accepted. Early in the war, Pakistan was praised for its indispensable assistance — likely because the cooperation centered on a common foe: al-Qaeda. But as Pakistan watched the U.S. grow closer to India — not just passing the U.S.-India civilian nuclear deal but also encouraging India's presence in Afghanistan — it concluded that its interests and those of the U.S. were on a collision course.

In part because of that realization, Pakistan supported the Taliban's newly invigorated insurgency in Afghanistan. The Americans, however, resisted putting pressure on Pakistan for fear of compromising cooperation against al-Qaeda. Thus an ironic equilibrium was established: Pakistan received increasing financial "rewards" for its support of the global war on terrorism while it subsidized the very groups killing thousands of Americans and allies in Afghanistan.

With the American endgame in Afghanistan looming, U.S. officials can no longer ignore this duplicity. Pakistan's influence over the Afghan Taliban and other allies like the Haqqani network is a key obstacle to Afghans' being able to secure their country themselves. What is becoming increasingly clear is that a strategic relationship is not possible when strategic interests diverge so starkly. Observers on both sides are quietly asking whether the other is a problematic partner, an outright foe or both.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 76,00.html #ixzz1aFQnrGiZ

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby chetak » 09 Oct 2011 07:50

SSridhar wrote:quote="SureshP"The man accused of carrying money from the ISI to Nabi Fai is found dead in Pakistan. Fancy that !!! Who would have thunk it

Pakistani accused in US of spy links dies

ISLAMABAD: A doctor charged in the United States with working for Pakistan’s spy agency to influence American lawmakers on their policy toward the disputed Kashmir region has died in Islamabad after suffering a stroke.

Too much of a coincidence that Dr Zaheer suddenly had a stroke.

Don't we remember the case of the three princes of KSA who died mysteriously ? One died of a heart attack, another in a car crash the very next day and the third died, a week later, of 'thirst'. They were all royal intermediaries, along with a PAF Air Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, with OBL before 9/11. Seven months later, Air Marshal Mir also died in a plane crash in clear weather when possibly a crate of mangoes did him in.


Routine housekeeping by the ISI :)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby krishnan » 09 Oct 2011 08:07

http://www.sify.com/news/pak-court-give ... acihe.html

Lawhore: A Pakistani court has released on bail Muhammad Ebrahim, a suspect charged with involvement in the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore in March 2009.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Airavat » 09 Oct 2011 09:23

future terror attacks from Pakistan: biological, chemical or nuclear
Today, three Pakistani-supported proxy groups are fueling the insurgency in Afghanistan: the Quetta Shura, the Haqqani network and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's smaller terrorist group, Hezb-i-Islami. Not one of them has been placed on the U.S. State Department's official list of foreign terrorist organizations. Americans need to realize that terrorists' attempts to strike the United States from sanctuaries in Pakistan will occur again and again unless their bases are closed down. Bombs targeting American cities will inevitably become more lethal with time. Today they are conventional. Tomorrow they are likely to be biological, chemical or nuclear.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, publicly requested "that the State Department take the additional step of listing the [Haqqani] network as a foreign terrorist organization," noting that the organization "meets the [legal] standards" for this designation. Last week, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the State Department was completing a "final formal review" preparatory to listing the organization. And at his Wednesday White House press conference President Obama warned that "there's no doubt that, you know, we're not going to feel comfortable with a long-term relationship with Pakistan if we don't think that they are mindful of our interests as well."

The U.S. should also enlist other nations for regional and global coalitions to contain the terrorism coming from Pakistan. No Muslim government supports the sanctuaries in Pakistan exporting violent extremism. Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, Afghanistan, the Central Asian republics and Western Europe all wish to see them dismantled. Among other pressures the U.S. can bring to bear are the severance of all military and economic aid, the designation of the three Afghan terrorist organizations as foreign terrorist organizations, the naming of Pakistan itself as a state sponsor of terrorism and the declassification of information exposing the terrorist bases in Pakistan and the ISI's involvement in them.

Peter Tomsen is the author of the just-published "The Wars of Afghanistan." He was U.S. special envoy and ambassador to Afghanistan from 1989 to 1992.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 09 Oct 2011 11:49

Airavat wrote:future terror attacks from Pakistan: biological, chemical or nuclear
The U.S. should also enlist other nations for regional and global coalitions to contain the terrorism coming from Pakistan. No Muslim government supports the sanctuaries in Pakistan exporting violent extremism. Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, Afghanistan, the Central Asian republics and Western Europe all wish to see them dismantled. Among other pressures the U.S. can bring to bear are the severance of all military and economic aid, the designation of the three Afghan terrorist organizations as foreign terrorist organizations, the naming of Pakistan itself as a state sponsor of terrorism and the declassification of information exposing the terrorist bases in Pakistan and the ISI's involvement in them.

Peter Tomsen is the author of the just-published "The Wars of Afghanistan." He was U.S. special envoy and ambassador to Afghanistan from 1989 to 1992.

Hmm . Tomsen again. His words are much less ambiguous now but these are "additional pressures" that can be applied if necessary. I think they are basic measured to start with. He thinks something else might work maybe?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby menon s » 09 Oct 2011 12:16

Masked men enter a girls school , thrash students and teachers and ask them to dress modestly!
http://tribune.com.pk/story/269918/dres ... -students/
In a first for the garrison city, sixty masked men carrying iron rods barged into a girls’ school in Rawalpindi and thrashed students and female teachers on Friday.
The gang of miscreants also warned the inmates at the MC Model Girls High School in Satellite Town to “dress modestly and wear hijabs” or face the music, eyewitnesses said.
Fear gripped the area following the attack and only 25 of the 400 students studying in the college were present on Saturday. The school employs 30 female teachers.
Attendance in other educational institutions also remained low. After hearing about the attack, all schools in the city shut down, an official of the Rawalpindi District Administration (RDA) told The Express Tribune.


what were the boys and men in that area doing , when ones own kids and sisters are assaulted! they are the real baighairats.


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