Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Cosmo_R » 21 Oct 2011 02:58

sum wrote:
Motorham Clinton uvacha wrote:We intend to push the Pakistanis very hard as to what they are willing and able to do with us

GUBO without lube?


That's stupid on Hil's part. The pakis have juxtaposed willing and able since 2001. They are not willing but have pleaded they are unable.

The next step will be a US strike with B-2s (for shock and awe) on Miranshah and an FU to the PA. The Pakis will respond by blowing up more tankers and the whole damn two-step will grind on until November 2008.

Motor mama Hil is posturing. The real next step is public nuke nudity but that's not gonna happen anytime soon and by that time the Generals will have 100 more warheads and put them in the hands of bearded briga(n)diers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby saip » 21 Oct 2011 03:25

Prem wrote:
MurthyB wrote:The Scaffers want a grand bargain now. Because they think that India has no legitimate interests in Afghanistan if Kashmir were "settled", and because Afghans are the US's to give away to the Pakis.

Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir: A grand bargain?


The best bargain is Kalifornia for Kashmir .

You know what? Someone just suggested that :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby devesh » 21 Oct 2011 03:36

California is actually Kapila-aranya. it was once the roaming ground of Indics.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby SBajwa » 21 Oct 2011 04:17

What will now happen to the Gaddhafi stadium of Lahore?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 21 Oct 2011 04:24

they should change the name as a mark of respect to the man. Remove 'fi' and call it Gadha stadium or replace 'f' with 'j' to call it Gadhaji stadium.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 04:29

Pakistan's rejection of U.S. aid has ill effects‎
San Francisco Chronicle - Sebastian Abbot - 17 hours ago
The government of Pakistan's most populous province, Punjab, turned down an American offer of $127 million for health care, education and municipal services

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 04:32

US bears down on Pakistan with top-level visit, strong rhetoric
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By ALEX RODRIGUEZ AND LAURA KING
Los Angeles Times
Published: Thursday, Oct. 20, 2011 - 1:00 am


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/20/399156 ... z1bMunHTGo
Many in Washington and Kabul view Pakistan as an obstructionist force that supports Afghan insurgents because it needs them as a hedge against any move by nuclear archrival India to spread influence over Afghanistan once U.S. troops leave.

But so far, Pakistan has been unmoved by calls for cooperation or even from threats by Congress to suspend aid.. Islamabad's defiance was clearly evident during a briefing given Tuesday by army chief Gen. Ashfaq Kayani and head of military operations, Maj. Gen. Ashfaq Nadeem, to members of the Pakistani parliament's defense committees.

" 'As far as we are concerned, we're not interested,' " a lawmaker who attended the briefing quoted Kayani as saying. The lawmaker spoke on the condition of anonymity because the briefing was a closed-door session. " 'They keep throwing this damn aid (threat) at us time and again. We don't want their military aid.' "



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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 04:34

This is a circus now


http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp ... KISTAN.asp
India appeals to US, Pakistan to mend ties

India, France stress on a stable Pakistan

Iftikhar Gilani
New Delhi

India has expressed concerns at the growing tension between Pakistan and the US

‘Americans are shooting themselves in the foot’
A grand bargain for India and Pakistan

The escalating tension between old allies the United States and Pakistan could be a source of elation in the Indian strategic circles, but the Centre is worried by the turn of events. Sources here say that America’s deteriorating ties with Pakistan coupled with Iran in the region could cause greater instability in Afghanistan especially if NATO forces withdraw from the war-torn nation by 2014 as planned.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh conducted a high-level security review of the situation after returning from Pretoria, where he was attending the three-day IBSA (India, Brazil and South Africa) summit. At a joint press conference with visiting French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe here on Thursday, External Affairs Minister SM Krishna voiced India’s concerns. Appealing to both the US and Pakistan to resolve their problems, Krishna said that anything that upset the region had adverse consequences on neighbouring countries particularly India. “We hope they resolve their differences across the table,” he said.

His French counterpart also echoed concerns saying his country was equally worried at the situation in Pakistan. He described Pakistan a central player in finding a solution to the Afghanistan imbroglio proposing a collective security cooperation of countries around the war-ravaged country.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 21 Oct 2011 04:37

SBajwa wrote:What will now happen to the Gaddhafi stadium of Lahore?


It will be renamed after general Dostum or Rabbani on Dec 16,2011. Chief Mullen will replace Gen Arora and Gen Allen will play Gen Jacob. Kiyani will borrow the pen from Niazi and sign another Instrument of Surrender to celebrate 40th anniversary of Great Paki Victory over Kuffar . Indians need to find appropriate Turban for Mullen and Hat for Allen to recreate true ambiance.
All the indicators point out to US Army getting ready to apply Hot chilli on the Mush of Paki Sheikh Chillies.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 04:42

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=120793
Indo-Afghan pact &realities
The article significantly raises very critical propaganda points, which need to be answered. For example, “the pact has defeated Pakistan army’s past, current and future domestic, regional and international designs; Pakistan army has lost its power; Pakistan has been placed between the jaws of a real vise-grip; India now is ally of NATO and US; if a concerted onslaught is launched, Pakistan would not last a week; Pakistan would stop sending terrorists to other countries; There is no danger of a disastrous war; world and western powers would now benefit; Pakistani top brass would hide behind the leadership; political leadership would cut army’s size and budget; army’s hold on media would end; Pakistan would now be open to all international aid agencies and workers; the pact is a monumental diplomatic coup”; etc.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 04:49

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... -islamabad
India preparing for conventional war with Pakistan, claims Pak daily

"While one side of the equation that has been brought into the spotlight shows that the accord will pave the way for India to train the Afghan armed forces and police, the other side that remains veiled could contain clauses that may affect Pakistan's internal and external security," the paper said.

"According to policymakers here in Islamabad, the accord requires careful thought at all levels. The critical point to remember is that India has no role whatsoever in Afghanistan yet Indian interference and policies are at the root of many of the problems that Pakistan is facing today," it added.

Secondly, the Indian army is holding a massive two-month long winter exercise- involving battle tanks and artillery guns besides Indian Air Force assets- at the Pakistan border, bringing a potent strike corps, the Bhopal based 21 Corps, in the Rajasthan desert, the paper said.

"Intriguingly, 'Sudarshan Chakra' Corps will be aiming to build its capacities for "breaching the hostile army's defences and capturing important strategic assets deep inside enemy territory." The exercise is the third of its kind this year... The question is: why is India holding three massive war games in a year at the Pakistan border that aim at capturing important strategic assets deep inside the enemy territory?" it added.

Third, a key development across the border has been the deployment of Su-30 fighter aircraft near the Pakistan border, the paper said, adding that the significance of the fact that the aircraft is the most sophisticated in the region and that it has been deployed along the Pakistan border at this crucial juncture is not lost on policymakers in Islamabad.

Two other related but under-reported events have been the extension of the runway at Kargil by India and its decision to acquire six more C-130J aircraft, the latest version of the intractable workhorse, reinforcing fears in Islamabad that New Delhi is preparing for a war that may engulf the whole region, the paper said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 04:58

Mar Goli Speak
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... #idc-cover
Afghanistan: Ten Years of Aimless War

By Eric Margolis

October 09, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- The renowned military strategist, Maj. Gen. J.F.C Fuller, defined war’s true objective as achieving desired political results, not killing enemies.

But this is just what the US has been doing in Afghanistan. After ten years of war costing at least $450 billion, 1,600 dead and 15,000 seriously wounded soldiers, the US has achieved none of its strategic or political goals.

Each US soldier in Afghanistan costs $1 million per annum. CIA employs 80,000 mercenaries there, cost unknown. The US spends a staggering $20.2 billion alone annually air conditioning troop quarters in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The most damning assessment comes from the US-installed Afghan leader, Hamid Karzai: America’s war has been “ineffective, apart from causing civilian casualties.”

Washington’s goal was a favorable political settlement producing a pacified Afghan state run by a regime totally responsive to US political, economic and strategic interests; a native sepoy army led by white officers; and US bases that threaten Iran, watch China, and control the energy-rich Caspian Basin.

All the claims made about fighting “terrorism and al-Qaida,” liberating Afghan women and bringing democracy are pro-war window dressing. CIA chief Leon Panetta admitted there were no more than 25-50 al-Qaida members in Afghanistan. Why are there 150,000 US and NATO troops there?

Washington’s real objective was clearly defined in 2007 by US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher: to “stabilize Afghanistan so it can become a conduit and hub between South and Central Asia – so energy can flow south.”

The Turkmenistan-Afghan-Pakistan TAPI gas pipeline that the US has sought since 1998 is finally nearing completion. But whether it can operate in the face of sabotage remains to be seen.

Meanwhile, Washington has been unable to create a stable government in Kabul. The primary reason: ethnic politics. Over half the population is Pashtun (or Pathan), from whose ranks come Taliban. Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara minorities fiercely oppose the Pashtun. All three collaborated with the Soviet occupation from 1979-1989; today they collaborate with the US and NATO occupation.

Most of the Afghan army and police, on which the US spends $6 billion annually, are Tajiks and Uzbek, many members of the old Afghan Communist Party. To Pashtun, they are bitter enemies. In Afghanistan, the US has built its political house on ethnic quicksands.

Worse, US-run Afghanistan now produces 93% of the world’s most dangerous narcotic, heroin. Under Taliban, drug production virtually ended, according to the UN. Today, the Afghan drug business is booming. The US tries to blame Taliban; but the real culprits are high government officials in Kabul and US-backed warlords.

A senior UN drug official recently asserted that Afghan heroin killed 10,000 people in NATO countries last year. And this does not include Russia, a primary destination for Afghan heroin.

So the United States is now the proud owner of the world’s leading narco-state and deeply involved with the Afghan Tajik drug mafia.

The US is bleeding billions in Afghanistan. Forty-four cents of every dollar spent by Washington is borrowed from China and Japan. While the US has wasted $1.283 trillion on the so-called “war on terror,” China has been busy buying up resources and making new friends and markets. The ghost of Osama bin Laden must be smiling.

The US can’t afford this endless war against the fierce Pashtun people, renowned for making Afghanistan “the Graveyard of Empires.” But the imperial establishment in Washington wants to hold on to strategic Afghanistan, particularly the ex-Soviet air bases at Bagram and Kandahar. The US is building its biggest embassy in the world in Kabul, an $800 million fortress with 1,000 personnel, protected by a small army of mercenary gunmen. So much for withdrawal plans.

The stumbling, confused US war in Afghanistan has now lasted longer than the two world wars. The former US commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McCrystal, just said Washington’s view of that nation is “frighteningly simplistic.” That’s an understatement.

Facing the possibility of stalemate or even defeat in Afghanistan, Washington is trying to push India deeper into the conflict. This desperate ploy, and nurturing ethnic conflict, will ensure another decade of misery for Afghanistan.


Eric S. Margolis is an award-winning, internationally syndicated columnist. His articles appear in the New York Times, the International Herald Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, Times of London, the Gulf Times, the Khaleej Times and other news sites in Asia.

Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 05:04

Military occupation post invasion is a smoke screen for what Capitalists call opening of new markets, to US or associates brokerage firms consortiums and thieves,

While the grunts keep the citizens of any occupied nation under wraps and confined, disarmed and coralled, special operations are run behind this NATO smokescreen which set up businesses both corrupt be zero competition and by their lack of reposibility to any soveriegn governance of for and by the people of Afhganistan or any US occupied zone.

It isnt working out so well is what Margolis is saying, allow me to regale your section, eric, the US occupations arent about supplying resources to markets in the end, it's about denying resources to CERTAIN markets , which is why the entire planets thinking people seek to curtail this onerous juggernaught of the chosenites, they dont revere any need but their own, not bare compassion or remorse when they malign, murder, steal or massacre, it's their nature to be beastly, brutal,blinded by avarice,covetousness and pride. This is leadership of free enterprise, Eric it's police brutality by NATO of world body poorer peoples than the french brits USAns and Israelis. Exploiting the poor is their way of life, they suck the life from every coffer until their collection agencies can forclose, comptroll and command every human quarter of existance with the profitability of their merged coporations and finance Guilds cutting "other" out of their own markets.

If it all is going rather slowly, poorly and losing ground, ALLAH is displeased, rejecting the model, plan and leadership of the wars, Eric. Isa is displeased, Mohammed is displeased with Israel the UK France Canada Austrialia etc, . Mammom loves the dope dealing, arms trades massacres assinations bloody battles and getting rich from the stench of heinous wars of agresssion but God Hates such pride, lies and greed brother and will run this juggernaught into it's seas over it's cliffs and off of it's maps,because that's what real power does, it steers the tares into the furnace and the wheat into the storehouse. Be wheat brothers and sisters,

When US wars planners aver auspicies and results based outcomes seeming "to good to be true" the reality is there for the spookeries to digest but alas no one like to learn that they are chasing wild gooses while the home is be ransacked by people chosen by themselves as the robbers of arms manufacturing, death dealing excuses slobbering cowards, truth, today is excruciating, yes?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 05:13

Noorani chacha speak
http://www.frontline.in/stories/20111104282208100.htm


Diplomat's insights

A.G. NOORANI
This work on Indian foreign policy is built on solid research and calm reflection with a unique sweep and insights that only a diplomat can provide.


DAVID M. MALONE belongs to an aristocracy of intellect some of whose members came to reside in New Delhi as envoys of their respective countries; men like Count Stanislas Ostrorog of France, Alva Myrdal of Sweden, John Kenneth Galbraith of the United States, Octavia Paz of Mexico and Escott Reid of Canada. David Malone's work reminds one of Reid's books Envoy to Nehru and Hungary and Suez. His book is a product of solid research and calm reflection. He had met very many Indian diplomats, especially when he was at the Centre on International Cooperation at New York University. As Canada's High Commissioner to India (2006-2008), he interacted with an amazingly wide range of Indian academics, diplomats and writers. Diligent research followed after retirement. This book has flashes of insights that only one who has served as a diplomat in India and is himself cerebral can provide. He is currently president of Canada's International Development Research Centre.
India-Pakistan ties

His thesis is, of course, utterly false. But it is the kind of falsehood that makes us live comfortably with our impossible positions. India-Pakistan relations were warm in 1953 (Nehru went to Karachi); were promising in 1960 (Indus Treaty); in 1962-63; in 1997-98; and from 2004-2007. In the first three cases, Nehru's intransigence on Kashmir wrecked the détente. He had admitted to Sheikh Abdullah privately in a Note of August 25, 1952, that as early as 1948 he had all but decided against a plebiscite. Nawaz Sharif fought the 1997 general election on a plank of friendship with India only to be deceived by Inder Kumar Gujral, who reneged on their accord on a working group on Kashmir. Incidentally he, of the bogus Gujral Doctrine, offered Nepal in 1990, as it was in the throes of an upheaval, a draft treaty worse than the one of 1950, which all Nepali parties denounce. And, from 2004-2007 India and Pakistan had drawn up the basics of an accord on Kashmir.

All of 1959-60 China sought to arrive at a fair accord on the boundary, conceding the McMahon Line and asking for the Aksai-Chin area. But Nehru had decided way back in 1954 that the map of that year, which showed a firm line in Ladakh, was not negotiable. The official maps of 1948 and 1960 depicted the boundary from the Sino-Indo-Afghan tri-junction in the west right up to the Sino-Indian-Nepal tri-junction in the east as “undefined” – that is, in both the western and middle sectors.
One wishes the author had discussed this crucial aspect of India's self-righteous policy in greater detail. Most of the media dutifully follow up the official line, TV channels especially. At the end of September, a senior anchor of a leading TV channel exclaimed: “Behind one lies the McMahon Line.” He was in Ladakh.

The book makes a timely appearance now that both India's economy and diplomacy are reaching what Rostow called the “take-off” stage. “The year 1991 was a significant turning point in Indian politics, economic orientation, and foreign policy. It coincided with the collapse of the post-Second World War world order….”

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Anindya » 21 Oct 2011 05:26

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-links-imports-to-Pak-MFN-status/articleshow/10435156.cms

Dont understand the desperation amongst us Indians to make such deals and promises....

India is walking the extra mile to ensure that a trade deal with Pakistan is worked out at the earliest. New Delhi has indicated that it will offer preferential access to textiles and other goods from across the border if Pakistan granted most favoured nation (MFN) status and initiated steps to boost imports from India.

Sources said that India may look at allowing the entry of textiles and other goods from Pakistan at concessional or zero duty to boost trade relations. The package could be similar to the one that has been offered to Bangladesh, they said.


But, what Pakistanis really want is that India give up any adherence to safety standards where Pakistani goods are concerned...

Khar and others have raised concerns over non-tariff barriers faced by Pakistani exporters, officials said that India has tried to convey to Islamabad that goods would face the same safety standards as those imposed on other countries, including Made-in-India products. Pakistan has said that India uses non-tariff barriers such as safety standards for cement, textiles and surgical instruments. "If the cement meets the prescribed norms, or textiles products do not contain dyes that are banned then there is no question of denying entry into India. We have conveyed this to Pakistan," an official said.


and then again this easy access to business visitors from Pakistan - with the improbable expectation that business visitors from Pakistan will not be terrorists..

the issue of relaxed norms for business visas is expected to be finalized. If the deal fructifies, multiple entry visas of longer duration and with permission to visit multiple cities would be issued.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby RamaY » 21 Oct 2011 05:36

Gilanis everywhere

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 05:38

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bf8a6f24-f97d ... z1bNB9bnGD

October 18, 2011 10:09 pm
Exchanging goods rather than blows

Pakistan’s state and society face a double threat: that of a disintegration of order under the pressure of jihadist violence, and that of economic collapse. While it offers only a glimmer of hope, the news that Islamabad and Delhi are preparing to liberalise trade between each other could not be more timely.
Pakistan’s economic and political woes are two sides of the same malign coin. A breakdown in security in swaths of the country – the outcome of Islamabad’s lethal cultivation of jihadism to counter New Delhi’s presence in Kashmir – combines with dire infrastructure and bureaucratic mismanagement to discourage economic activity. A failure to realise people’s material aspirations in turn provides violent groups with the best recruitment drive they could hope for.
On the economic merits alone, a trade deal is long overdue. At just $3bn, the two countries’ bilateral trade flow amounts to one-sixth of 1 per cent of their combined economic output (and the same again in illicit flows). Pakistan stands to reap the greater benefits: while per capita production is similar in the two, Pakistan’s growth has lagged behind India’s for two decades.
Closer trade ties are strategically important, too. The greater contact that comes with trade, both at official levels and between the two peoples, may do its little bit to alleviate the distrust that sustains tensions in the neighbourhood – provided the overture does in fact lead to concrete results.

There are two reasons why it might. One is that on both sides there is a constituency favouring détente. Talks on a comprehensive deal over Kashmir, blessed by the top leadership in both countries – were close to success as late as five years ago. Another is Pakistan’s alertness to the danger of relying excessively on China, that other mega-state. Like other south Asian governments, Islamabad has so far indulged Beijing’s “string of pearls” strategy of port construction. It no doubt sees the need for a balance of regional relationships.

One must be realistic. Even a successful trade initiative will have only limited impact. And history suggests that any serious progress on improving relations will be sabotaged before it succeeds, just as the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks ended the Kashmir talks. There is, however, no good alternative. The trade deal must be concluded – as a first step of many.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2011 05:39

hnair wrote:Just watched the video for a short period and breezed over the rest. Aaloo Anday video is 400% professionally shot and edited. Since pakis dont have any fine-arts or movie schools of **ANY** repute, this seems a funded project with lots of planning behind the characters, production etc.

Expect more such, as the cost of video production has plummeted worldwide.


Many of the Pakhani videos I watch have content that is rubbish but the production is slick and often come with credits at the end. Software to make slick productions is available but expensive. That vast majority of videos on YouTube DO NOT use such software - a fact that is obvious from the quality. Hardware is no longer a restraint as it was when I first started putting videos on the net. The odd thing is that many Paki videos use such techniques and it strikes me that they are either RAPE class trying to get izzat or they are otherwise funded to produce propergandu videos.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 05:42

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/85d8f13c ... z1bNAfhF00
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/85d8f13c-f992 ... z1bNC8GQGT

More menacingly, Kashmiri groups have condemned the decision as a betrayal. The United Jihad Council called trade liberalisation a “direct contravention” of Islamabad’s fight for Kashmir. It threatened “grave consequences” of going soft on Hindu-majority India.
Many fear that militant attacks on India will ensue in a bid to sap Delhi’s confidence in peace with Pakistan, and derail negotiations. Such attacks already rain down almost daily across Pakistan.
Most of all, the move reflects a mighty shift in opinion in Rawalpindi, the headquarters of the powerful Pakistani army, at a time when the local economy is weakening.
A section of the army’s leadership is deeply worried about a mismanaged economy and anxious to put Pakistan, growing at 3 per cent, on a higher trajectory similar to the economies of India and China. With good reason. Railway workers go unpaid, industrialists are starved of power for their factories, and foreign investors, alongside Pakistani talent, are being frightened away by security risks.
More long term, some generals view the hostile position against India as unsustainable, and see incentives to normalise ties. They also say that Pakistan’s long-term military expenditure, supported by assistance from the US, cannot be borne by a broken economy.
Many of Pakistan’s most powerful industrialists are encouraging this change of heart. They see opportunity for cement, agriculture, banking and engineering in more access to the Indian market. More broadly, they say that the benefits of opening up more to China will only bear fruit when India too can compete in the local market.
From their offices in Karachi and Lahore, they dream of Pakistan forming a regional trade grouping with fast-growing China and India akin to that formed between Canada, Mexico and the US by the North American Free Trade Agreement.
That is of course a long way off thanks to one of the most intractable of world conflicts.
Some diplomats in Islamabad are highly sceptical of regional integration so long as the disputes fester over Kashmir and a security menace pours out of the border regions with Afghanistan.
They say that security still dominates the strategic debate in Pakistan. Any bilateral relationship is hamstrung by failure to find agreement on Kashmir.
Earthmovers are already busy at the Wagha border, the principal land crossing between the two countries, preparing a new freight handling facility for rising commerce.
The current limitations are plain to see. A delegation of Pakistani traders crossed the post on Tuesday on their way to a fair in Chandigarh, the capital of India’s Punjab state. The existing facilities, usually catering to about 20 foot passengers a day, were entirely overwhelmed.
Both sides need to capitalise on what are baby steps towards more open markets. The first thing they can do is improve the infrastructure linking the two countries. The second is to ease other obstacles like quantitative restrictions, customs procedures and formidable non-tariff barriers.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby RamaY » 21 Oct 2011 05:43

"Intriguingly, 'Sudarshan Chakra' Corps will be aiming to build its capacities for "breaching the hostile army's defences and capturing important strategic assets deep inside enemy territory." The exercise is the third of its kind this year... The question is: why is India holding three massive war games in a year at the Pakistan border that aim at capturing important strategic assets deep inside the enemy territory?" it added.


Tables are turned.

Till now Pakistan itched for a fight and kept on stoking india with terror strike.

Looks like now India wants to start a fight and is pushing Pakis with all these war games :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ramana » 21 Oct 2011 05:46

The charlatan still speaks as a RNI. He is no chacha but a bhai!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2011 05:48

sanjaykumar wrote:True but what does that establish?


It establishes that a lot of Indians will watch videos and media from Pakistan and enjoy them and even feel a warm fuzzy that is enough to make them critical of those who do not trust Pakistanis. If by some remote chance that was the original intent of such a video, it has done its job much to the chagrin of the people who do not automatically trust Pakhanis. If that was not the intent of the video the warm fuzzy feelers can remain satisfied that they are one up on the stupids who do not trust Pakistani media and dub them paranoid or conspiracy theorists.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby svinayak » 21 Oct 2011 05:51

Kashmir is key to united India
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The pliability of successive regimes in New Delhi towards the Kashmir issue, the Government’s failure to look beyond the Valley and incorporate the State’s many nationalist voices, the murderous silence over the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits and the K-complex of a billion strong nation have only given credence to the azadi propaganda. This will pave the way for the balkanisation of India

Propaganda that ‘azadi’ for Kashmir is inevitable will thrive so long as the politically relevant questions pertaining to the so called ‘Kashmir conflict’ pile up unanswered. The blow hot, blow cold approach of successive Union Governments has only allowed separatism, inspired by Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s Two-Nation Theory, to haunt India six decades after it rejected the divisive doctrine.

Beginning with the then Union Government’s voluntary reference to ‘referendum’ at the UN after Kashmir’s lawful accession to the Indian Union, the grant of a special status through Article 370 that was followed by the Delhi Declaration of 1952 that allowed further concessions such as a separate flag, etc, the pliability exhibited by New Delhi is germane to the subsequent growth of fissiparous tendencies that now challenge the sovereignty of India over the State of Jammu & Kashmir.

Such follies committed over the decades have only fostered rapacious extremism. For instance, former Prime Minister PV Narasimha Rao’s declaration that the “sky was the limit” for autonomy in faraway Burkina Faso in 1995 was preceeded by a Special Resolution of Parliament in 1994 that clearly stated that the status of the Jammu & Kashmir State is “non-negotiable”. The 1994 resolution had in effect made the State’s territorial integrity non-negotiable for any Government.

Yet, in 2000 then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee said in an emotional outburst that anything was possible within the ambit of humanity (“Insaniyat ke daiyre mein”) — a statement that tended diluted his party’s own position on Kashmir. Similarly, today Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s Government is poring over the Kashmir interlocuter’s report “contours of Kashmir solution” — an apparent acknowledgement of Kashmir being a matter of dispute — despite his own assertion made from the ramparts of Red Fort on Independence Day in 2010 that “Kashmir was integral part of India.”

This is how a politically insignificant dissent has been allowed to mutate into a conflict. Kashmir is a classic case wherein a conflict has been craftily engineered to gather empathy by pleading victimhood of that very conflict as in evident from the violence that gripped the Valley in the summer of 2010 months before the arrival of US President Brack Obama.


It is worthwhile to note that the separatists have no qualms in claiming that Kashmir was an unfinished agenda of Partition. Today, the movement continues to feed on anti-India venom spewed at Friday congregations. Indian ‘rule’ in Kashmir is challenged right in the country’s capital at various forums in brazen connivance with self-acclaimed rights groups. The growing support from the Maoists and home-grown radical Islamists signals an impending alliance of anti-national forces.


Conspicuous silence over the systematic ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits, who were targeted for they professed a different faith and were seen as symbolising ‘Indian presence’ in the Valley, has only served to boost the moral of the perpetrators. It is a blot on India’s secular democracy that those who had lived in the State for five thousand years have now been rendered refugees in their own country. There has not been even a murmur of protest against this atrocity.

How and when will ‘a billion strong’ nation overcome the complex that kept its leaders on tenterhooks fearing President Obama might mention the K-word in his speech to Parliament? Why is it difficult to remind the world that the much touted UN resolution of 1948 defines Pakistan as an ‘occupier’? Indeed, the UN Security Council Resolution 47(1948) had entrusted Indian forces with maintaining law and order in Kashmir. Any referendum was to follow only after the Pakistanis had vacated Kashmir which of course never happened.

In the context it is worthwhile to take a look at the historical circumstances that pushed India’s most known liberal statesman, Jawahar Lal Nehru, to dismiss and arrest his ‘friend,’ the then Wazir-e-Azam of Jammu & Kashmir, Sheikh Abdullah, in 1953. Nehru may have mishandled the issue but even his worst detractors will not accuse him of betrayal. In fact, Sheikh himself never publicly accused Nehru of having cooked up the ‘Kashmir conspiracy case’.

Why then is it sacrilegious to postulate that the ongoing Cold War machinations of the time had possibly influenced Abdullah, who had in 1947 endorsed the accession of Kashmir to India, to flirt with the idea of independence in 1953? A widened Wakhan corridor, with Kashmir included, meant a stronger buffer against Soviet expansion in South Asia.

The question then is could Nehru put at stake India’s new found independence for the sake of personal bonding with Abdullah? After all, the latter’s Plebiscite Front had openly challenge Indian sovereignty over Kashmir. It was dissolved only after the reconciliatory Sheikh-Indira accord that saw Abdullah instated as the Chief Minister of Jammu & Kashmir in 1975. Is it then mandatory to renegotiate the status of Kashmir with every generation of Kashmiris?

The present turmoil began when an anti-India jihad was launched by armed Kashmiris and mujahiddins from the Afghan War in 1989-90. Since then, jihadis have struck at will across the nation. India remains a soft target. Yet the Union Government had the temerity to commit a Sharm-el Sheikh. And now the time has been allowed to drown the wails of the victims of the 26/11 carnage, while the state chooses to dilute its own stand on ‘terror’ by resuming the ‘peace process’ with Pakistan within whose borders the perpetrators of one of the worst terror attacks in modern history are roaming free.

But thats not all. Even though India’s support to Palestinians is well acknowledged yet, the global community has unfairly clubbed the situation in Kashmir with the long festering West Asian dispute to embarrass the world’s largest secular democracy. Unconcerned about India’s national interests, foreign diplomats routinely visit separatists in Kashmir. Why is India obliged to repeatedly prove its secular credentials?

Moreover, why has there been no significant attempt by the Government to reach out to the common Kashmiri in the Valley? These are the people who time and again have braved terror threats to partici-pate in elections in overwhelming numbers to show their faith in Indian democracy. Last year when all-party delegation visited the State, they ignored Ladakh which had just suffered its worst natural calamity while its engagement in Jammu appeared to be a mere formality. How can these people who have professed their unconditional loyalty for India be kept out of the discourse on Kashmir? Why isn’t there any move to cultivate the hitherto ignored nationalistic voices in the State?

Jammu & Kashmir acceded under the same Instrument of Accession Act that was signed by more than five hundred other princely states. The accession was publicly acknowledged by the thunderous applause of the largest ever gathering in the historic Lal Chowk in Srinagar in 1948. At the time, Sheikh Abdullah had embraced Jawahar Lal Nehru and recited the Persian couplet: “Man Tu Shudi, Tu Man Shudi; Tas Kas Na Goyed, Man Degram Tu Degre” (I became you, you became I, so none can say we are separate). It is only later that the inability to counter individual aspirations let Kashmir slip in to a quagmire of uncertainty. It is time to take a corrective course for any compromise in Kashmir is a sure recipe for the ‘balkanisation ‘of India.


Krishan 2011-10-20 11:40
We should be grateful to Lalit Ambardar who has separated the wheat from chaff in his article on India and Kashmir. Being next door to Pakistan, India has been "living next door to a serial murderer" (to borrow from Barry Rubin). India will have to deal with it. Fortunately, India is capable of it as Mrs. Indira Gandhi showed back in 1971. It is tragic that Indian politicians at the highest level since then, in order to humor and placate this "serial murderer," have only vented their frustrations by blowing hot and cold, instead of following a consistent policy and language that Pakistan (and Indians including Kashmiris) would understand. The West that fed and nurtured the beast in Pakistan finally realized that hyenas cannot be tamed and turned into hound dogs, if the last testimony of Admiral Mike Mullen to US Congress is to be believed. India must have its house in order, which includes Kashmir, if it were to survive the challenges of the next two decades.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2011 05:57

Satya_anveshi wrote:they should change the name as a mark of respect to the man. Remove 'fi' and call it Gadha stadium or replace 'f' with 'j' to call it Gadhaji stadium.


But that name would cause a loss of connection with Arab Libya and refer to Pakistanis themselves. Is that allowed?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby jrjrao » 21 Oct 2011 05:59

Right on the money. Every word of it:

Pakistan’s generals: Turn off the tap
BY ALEXANDER JOHNSON
The slow-motion suicide of Pakistan in the decade since 9/11 is a story that has seemed to lay at a low boil for most Americans, only to periodically rocket (if you’ll pardon the expression) into our headlines with spectacular Today Show-friendly events: The video-taped beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in 2002, the return and murder of Benazir Bhutto in 2007 and finally, the Navy SEALs’ dispatch of Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani military cantonment of Abbottabad earlier this year.

The past three weeks have added fresh milestones on the road to an alarmingly possible (and alarmingly nuclear) Armageddon.

First, Adm. Michael Mullen, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, asserted before Congress that Afghanistan’s most formidable anti-government insurgents—the ‘network’ of Jalaluddin Haqqani — serve as a veritable “arm” of Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence agency (ISI), and that its agents had actively assisted in the Haqqani network’s recent spate of high-profile attacks in the Afghan capital of Kabul.

This rather open secret (the Haqqani clan has been a favorite cat’s paw of Pakistani intelligence since the anti-Soviet struggle of the 1980s) was only extraordinary in light of its senior, universally respected source. The real revelation was in Carlotta Gall’s Sept. 26 exposé for the New York Times, which chronicled a May 2007 incident in which uniformed Pakistani soldiers and irregulars murdered U.S. Army Maj. Larry Bauguess as his unit departed from a cross-border parley meant to settle an Afghan-Pakistani border dispute.

From the above, it would be possible to gain the impression that Pakistan’s troubles had their roots in 9/11 and the American war effort in Afghanistan. In fact, Pakistan’s current nadir has been gestating since its troubled birth in the 1947 Partition of the Indian subcontinent.

Since that moment, according to Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid’s 2008 book, “Descent into Chaos,” “Pakistan has grappled with an acute sense of insecurity in the midst of a continuing identity crisis.

“As a result, it has developed into a national security state in which the army has monopolized power and defined the national interest as keeping archenemy India at bay, developing nuclear weapons and trying to create a friendly government in Afghanistan.”

Thus, contemporary Pakistan is a country whose armed forces can manage a strategic nuclear arsenal of 80 to 100 nuclear warheads, while the weak civilian government of President Asif Ali Zardari is unable to maintain electrical power for the Punjab region (the wellspring of the Pakistani officer class) for periods of up to 18 hours a day.

The literacy rate for Pakistani males hovers at 54 percent; for women, that rate is less than 30 percent. On an achingly related note, U.S. aid to Pakistan (both civil and military) has constituted about $20 billion.


In return for such largesse, the U.S. since 2001 has received a stream of calumny and bad faith from the Pakistani generals and intelligence chieftains who steer the country’s weevil-ridden ship of state.

Ensconced in their headquarters in Rawalpindi while growing fat off of our tax dollars, they have offered us nothing more than the occasional token Al Qaeda operative and plaintive moaning about the “sovereign territory” of their conjured, penurious nation on those occasions when our uniformed officers and government have dared to trace the fundamentalist bacilli back to its primary host in Pakistan’s tribal regions.

It is time for our government to cease making a mockery of the American taxpayers’ dollar and restrict the tap for the military clique that shelters the terrorists who plot our destruction and that of Pakistani and Afghan civil society.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2011 06:06

jrjrao wrote:Right on the money. Every word of it:

Pakistan’s generals: Turn off the tap
BY ALEXANDER JOHNSON


Ensconced in their headquarters in Rawalpindi while growing fat off of our tax dollars, they have offered us nothing more than the occasional token Al Qaeda operative and plaintive moaning about the “sovereign territory” of their conjured, penurious nation on those occasions when our uniformed officers and government have dared to trace the fundamentalist bacilli back to its primary host in Pakistan’s tribal regions.



Ah! What a beautiful piece of prose. i wish I could write the truth like that. :D Could this be a RAA agint?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby jrjrao » 21 Oct 2011 06:06

Pakistan's musharraf is on fire, says Musharraf.

Musharraf: US-Pakistan relationship at new low
Musharraf told an audience in Arkansas that the Pakistani military was guilty of "terrible negligence" :(( in allowing Osama bin Laden to go undetected before he was killed in a U.S. raid in May. He also said Pakistan hasn't done enough to target Taliban-affiliated militants known as the Haqqani network.

"Pakistan is a victim and not a perpetrator of terrorism," :rotfl: Musharraf said. He said Pakistan, despite its potential, was heading toward becoming a "failed state." :((

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby JwalaMukhi » 21 Oct 2011 06:20

Why is there no arap spring in pure land. Pakistan is as pure as arap sand is and an arap country to the core. Why no arab spring in pakistan? Atleast maybe an arab oasis, if not a full fledged spring.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 21 Oct 2011 06:34

Acharya wrote:Noorani chacha speak
http://www.frontline.in/stories/20111104282208100.htm
A.G. POORANI
This work on Indian foreign policy is built on solid research and calm reflection with a unique sweep and insights that only a diplomat can provide.The book makes a timely appearance now that both India's economy and diplomacy are reaching what Rostow called the “take-off” stage. “The year 1991 was a significant turning point in Indian politics, economic orientation, and foreign policy. It coincided with the collapse of the post-Second World War world order….”


This old green snake in green grass is speaking to his Ummah brothers Paki. Going by his writtings, emotional attachment and loyalty to Pakistan , Man must be slowly getting cooked inside with his own juices. I hope he live long to see the rise of Indic and fall of his own ideological edifice. There is no better revenge than seeing mortal enemies die disappointed wretchs.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 21 Oct 2011 06:43

Paindabad Conference rejects trade with India :rotfl:
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... with-India
Majid Nizami took oath from the participants of the conference that the basic ideology of Pakistan would be protected and promoted while stability and integrity of Pakistan would be given top priority. ‘Paindabad Conferences’ are being held throughout the country under the directives of Majid Nizami with an aim to disseminate the message both at national and international level that Pakistan based on strong ideological and cultural foundations is a vibrant state and that had bravely faced many disasters. Such conferences further convey the message that the conspiracies of the enemies of Pakistan as well as of Islam will be foiled and the country will rise as one of the greatest nations of Asia.
Former Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Amir Qazi Hussain Ahmed was the chief guest on the occasion. Former Chief of Army Staff Lt General (Retd) Mirza Aslam Baig, Lt General (Retd) Hamid Gul, President Nazria-e-Pakistan Trust (NPT) Lt General (Retd) Abdul Qayyum, former prime minister of Azad Jammu & Kashmir Sardar Attique Ahmed Khan, Editor the Pakistan Sardar Khan Niazi, Editor Jinnah Khushnood Ali Khan, and Vice President NPT Arif Sheikh were the key speakers on the occasion. Malik Fidaur Rehman, Joint Secretary NPT and Zafar Bakhtawari, Secretary NPT performed the duties of stage secretary on the occasion. Besides many former ambassadors, civil society representatives, retired army officers, politicians, lawyers, students and members of NPT, Lt General (Retd) Majeed Malik, Dr Khalida Samar Mand Mubarak were also among the important participants of the conference.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 21 Oct 2011 06:53

We have a double whammy. On the one side Indian hearts and minds are targetted by throwing Aaloo Aundey and the other side by giving totally fresh wet towels to wipe our faces:

Asghar Khan claims Pakistan attacked India four times since 1947

Air Marshal (r) Asghar Khan here on Thursday revealed it was Pakistan that attacked India four times since 1947, whereas the neighbouring country did not do so even a single time.

“In the last over 60 years, India has never attacked Pakistan, as it can’t afford it. Indians know well, if Pakistan is destroyed, they will be the next target{ nanogenarian is slowly slipping the CT here},” the veteran who was called a night flyer said at Imran Khan’s book launching ceremony here.

Imran Khan’s book is titled ‘Pakistan: A Personal History by Imran Khan.’

The nonagenarian said, “It was made our problem that one day India would invade us. But we did so four times and the first attack was on Kashmir, where Maharaja was not prepared to accede to India for he wanted to join Pakistan and waited for this for 21 days,” he recalled.

A galaxy of veteran military men, including generals (r) Talat Masood, Hameed Gul, diplomats such as Ashraf Jehangir Qazi and foreign diplomats was also a part of the select gathering.

“I shall decide on this after getting free,” remarked Qazi smilingly, when this correspondent asked him was he going to join PTI.

“That all is rubbish,” was Asghar Khan’s terse reply to a question by ‘The News’ after the function was over and he was having tea in a corner. He was asked that in school and college syllabi, students are always taught that it was India that mounted attacks on Pakistan and Pakistan only defended itself. In a reminiscent mood, Asghar Khan said in 1965, again, Pakistan quietly sent tanks to Jammu and when at function, he asked General Ayub Khan about it and warned that by doing so, Pakistan was asking for trouble, he expressed his complete ignorance about this development. But three days after he had met the general, India made incursions into Punjab. He also claimed East Pakistan tragedy happened because of inflexible attitude of some top influential politicians and the armed forces.

He believed had the majority been allowed to form government, Dhaka fall could have had been averted. “Indian forces came to East Pakistan when people were being slaughtered there. Moreover, again at Kargil, Indian never mounted an assault,” he maintained.

The retired marshal, who was chief guest at the function, regretted that Pakistan spent just one per cent on education. He identified illiteracy as Pakistan’s top problem, as it had the largest number of illiterate youth and this was because of abysmally low spending on education.

Again, Asghar Khan said the majority in Pakistan voted for the corrupt politicians, as they also wanted their job done by ‘hook or by crook.’ He recalled how bad he felt when he was told many years ago that in Punjab 20,000 people with criminal record were inducted in police, whereas a large number of dacoits were recruited in Sindh Police.

Asghar also said when the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif consulted him on going for nuclear explosions, he had strongly opposed it, as this according to him (Asghar) was needless because India was opposed to attacking Pakistan.

Asghar Khan wished Imran’s book was published in Pakistan, as presently it was too expensive for a common Pakistani to afford. He wished Imran a success, but cautioned him he would be facing illiterate people. “Unfortunately, those who speak truth are called stupid and senseless and those who mislead and lie are appreciated,” he said. He was given standing ovation, when he left the podium after concluding his speech.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby ManuT » 21 Oct 2011 07:12

Well on Aaloo-andey video, I am going to disagree with some on this forum.

I found it hilarious for the sheer number of digs at Nawaz Sharif (ganjeya) hopes on CJ, Kiyani, 'no likey you' placards (saw one for HALERYCLINTON today), Zia, military-mullah alliance, 'your money+my pocket', Imran Khan (good looking JI), Zardari, CJ, mulla using burka guise, Qadri, Abdus Salaam (AQ Khan), blackwater (CTs), mischief of police (read:agencies) and lament on Kasab.

It says a lot of what is wrong with TSP today, so it is a breath of fresh air. This is better than all of Aman ka pajama put together (sorry to any lurking Aman).

On one hand we complain that there is hardly any 'piss lobby' on the other side, OTOH we do not appreciate when something like this comes along. NFP (who posted it on dawn), himself it seems has been muzzled of late, I hope I am wrong on that.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Satya_anveshi » 21 Oct 2011 07:22

I concur. I had posted about the person here. It looks like his page is now gone.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Airavat » 21 Oct 2011 07:24

rohitvats wrote:(a) It is the Pakistanis which have defined the definition of victory in any India-Pakistan war. The same definition which you've written above – and which holds for terrorism and insurgencies – I win by not loosing and you lose by not winning. The ‘I’ is the terrorist and ‘you’ is the nation state.

(b) Now, please put in perspective the discomfort caused by Cold Start Doctrine. Indian Army has put the entire argument of victory on its head – when the objective is not to ‘dismember’ Pakistan and is limited, then, we can claim victory once we meet these limited objectives.

Pakistani anal-ists have not understood the Cold Start Doctrine. From an article here:

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/276661/understanding-indias-cold-start-doctrine/

On account of the lack of territorial depth and concentration of population centres close to borders, Pakistan is at a distinct disadvantage. It would have little flexibility in the event an IBG lodges in some strategically important area.

In a limited war, the type of ‘dominance’ desired by the initiator is of central significance. The ‘end state’ must be one that meets the criteria of being perceived at least, if not more, as a ‘victory’. Also, what would be the extent of ‘punitive action’ in the CSD? Since the level of destruction has to be carefully controlled, it could invariably lead to only partial accomplishment of the aim. The political and psychological dimensions, nonetheless, demand that a bigger country, in a war with a smaller one, must be unmistakably seen as having overpowered the latter. So, even a stalemate would be perceived as a triumph of the smaller nation.

And the article also contains garbage about the T-90 and Arjun.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby Prem » 21 Oct 2011 07:35

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-1 ... -cars.html
Lamborghini Zigzags India Rickshaws to Snare Millionaires: Cars
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20 (Bloomberg) -- Lamborghini SpA sees opportunity in the streets of Mumbai, where three-wheeled rickshaws zigzag through bumper-to-bumper traffic on pot-hole-infested roads.
Volkswagen AG’s supercar maker plans to open its second dealership in India this year to meet increased demand for cars including the 36.9-million rupee ($750,600) Aventador, said Mohan Mariwala, managing director of Lamborghini Mumbai. Ferrari SpA, which opened its first dealership in the country in May, says it plans to open four more by the end of next year.
The surging number of millionaires, projected to more than double in India by 2015.The wealth at the top of the pyramid is growing at a much faster pace,” said Deepesh Rathore, the New Delhi-based managing director in India for IHS Automotive. “Every month there is a new segment of buyers for these cars. People don’t take out loans to buy a Lamborghini.”
The number of millionaires in India will increase to 403,000 by 2015
from 173,000 in 2010, Julius Baer Group Ltd. and CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets said in a report in August. The growing wealth is expected to drive demand for exotic cars -- including Lamborghini, Aston Martin and Bentley -- to about 500 a year by 2020, from 180 last year, IHS estimates.
A.T. Kearney estimates the Indian luxury-car market will grow 32 percent a year over the next five years from $745 million in 2009.Supercar ClubCustomers include members of the Super Car Club, who regularly meet and drive to Pune via a 100-kilometer (62 miles) expressway with their Lamborghini Gallardos, Porsche 911s and Ferrari 458 Italias. Membership in the club has grown 10-fold to about 200 since it was formed two years ago, according to founder Gautam Singhania.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2011 07:56

Airavat wrote:
rohitvats wrote:(a) It is the Pakistanis which have defined the definition of victory in any India-Pakistan war. The same definition which you've written above – and which holds for terrorism and insurgencies – I win by not loosing and you lose by not winning. The ‘I’ is the terrorist and ‘you’ is the nation state.

(b) Now, please put in perspective the discomfort caused by Cold Start Doctrine. Indian Army has put the entire argument of victory on its head – when the objective is not to ‘dismember’ Pakistan and is limited, then, we can claim victory once we meet these limited objectives.

Pakistani anal-ists have not understood the Cold Start Doctrine. From an article here:

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/276661/understanding-indias-cold-start-doctrine/

On account of the lack of territorial depth and concentration of population centres close to borders, Pakistan is at a distinct disadvantage. It would have little flexibility in the event an IBG lodges in some strategically important area.

In a limited war, the type of ‘dominance’ desired by the initiator is of central significance. The ‘end state’ must be one that meets the criteria of being perceived at least, if not more, as a ‘victory’. Also, what would be the extent of ‘punitive action’ in the CSD? Since the level of destruction has to be carefully controlled, it could invariably lead to only partial accomplishment of the aim. The political and psychological dimensions, nonetheless, demand that a bigger country, in a war with a smaller one, must be unmistakably seen as having overpowered the latter. So, even a stalemate would be perceived as a triumph of the smaller nation.

And the article also contains garbage about the T-90 and Arjun.


Sorry to quote all the text. I thought it was relevant. I think any "limited objectives" of Cold start should not be mistaken. If those objectives are achieved in the planned timescale the further objective of splitting Pakistan will not be far behind. Shit brained Pakhanis of the Islamic Republic of Pakhanastan must understand that their gaand and sand land survives only because India allows it to survive.

Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and the Maldives did not specifically ask for Indian hegemony and India is not deliberately trying to exert hegemony over them. But Pakistan is asking for it and Indian hegemony needs to be exerted openly and in a manner that all Pakis understand. if they don't like it and want to die fighting, good. They need to be killed.

A Paki life is worth less than the shit I flushed down Pakistan this morning. Is this hate speech? Yes. Some people need to be kicked before they can understand the value of life.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2011 08:32

ManuT wrote:It says a lot of what is wrong with TSP today, so it is a breath of fresh air. This is better than all of Aman ka pajama put together (sorry to any lurking Aman).

On one hand we complain that there is hardly any 'piss lobby' on the other side, OTOH we do not appreciate when something like this comes along. NFP (who posted it on dawn), himself it seems has been muzzled of late, I hope I am wrong on that.


The reason I must continue to disagree with this viewpoint is that the following statement is wrong:
we complain that there is hardly any 'piss lobby' on the other side, OTOH we do not appreciate when something like this comes along.


We know the types of piss lobbies that exist, they have been marked and classified, and this forum has been at the forefront of highlighting and popularizing articles from Pakistanis that expose Pakistan. There is nothing really new in the video other than the fact that it strikes a chord with English speaking people on the internet.

But what is worse is that many on BRF have also pointed out exactly how the kind of "liberal view" expressed in the video is used. Such "liberal" Pakistanis, when asked about India say "See how we openly criticize our army and our politicians. Indians never criticize their Kashmiri raping army and their fundamentalist Narendar Mody government". No matter how many times Pakis play this game it amazes me that there are Indians ready and waiting to fall for it. And again I am seeing a replay with this video. It is not at all clear to me how the content of the video can be equated with some kind of "peace lobby" in Pakistan

For me the lesson is that we really have no business being critical of Mahesh Bhatt, Arundhati Roy, Mani Shankar Aiyer etc because Indians fundamentally have this "let's make peace and love to Pakistan" streak in them that makes them jump up and embrace any sign of ostensible normality in that cesspool, rapidly forgetting how such normal behavior is invariably and repeatedly turned against Indians and used as justification to cheer terrorism.

Sorry sir, very very strong disagreement here.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby pgbhat » 21 Oct 2011 09:25

All said and done, this potato-egg video ain't gonna stop pacquis from being flushed down pacquistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 20

Postby AdityaM » 21 Oct 2011 09:28

Why is SM krishna getting loose motions if the Pak-US equation goes down the drain?
either he want Pak-US to be good frnds
or they are scared that if us looses leverage with Pak, the dogs of war will be unleashed on india (dogs of terror more like it)


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