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Its called the "black brute stereotype", it is one that is very deep within the white psyche and almost ubiquitous. It is also a mechanism for "othering", and hence completes the first step to genocide.

One result of the stereotype is that creates fear within the minds of people who have not interacted with black people. So when 20 something idiots are given guns and a police cruiser to "patrol" (another historically loaded word), they get very jittery when interacting with black people. Resulting in far too many unwarranted death during arrest.

The other result is the amount of evidence that is required to convict a black person vs a white person for the same crime, one can guess (and its true based on death penalty statistics), that one would require far too much evidence to convict a white person vs a black person.

An ominous possibility is that the 20 something cop may have joined the force to satisfy his homicidal needs, and in such a case that person would actively try to get instigate a black civilian to attack him and once he does, he will be executed. Since its a black person, there is little or no evidence needed to prove that it was police brutality. Blacks are thus easy targets for anyone who wants to satisfy the need to commit homicide.


The white psyche is also extremely "self-centered narcissist", they are like 2 year old kids. When colored people point out an event or a statistic as racism, a lot of white people just scoff. According to them, racism is over. Its not there because *they* don't see it, as if *they* are the experts of racism rather than the people who are really impacted by it. They dont get that they are never the victim of racism. They may have been a victim of bigotry but they have never been a victim of racism. They are just like a 2 year old closing her eyes and decides that she is hidden from the world because she cannot see anything. This self-centered behavior seeks to belittle another human being's feelings, which goes hand-in-hand with "othering".

All this is codified in Derrick Bell's "5 rules of racial standing":
http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/define/bellsRules.html


FIRST RULE
The law grants litigants standing to come into court based on their having sufficient personal interest and involvement in the issue to justify judicial congnizance. Black people (while they may be able to get into court) are denied such standing legitimacy in the world generally when they discuss their negative experiences with racism or even when they attempt to give a positive evaluation of another black person or of his work. No matter what their experience or expertise, blacks' statements involving race are deemed 'special pleading' and thus not entitled to serious consideration.

SECOND RULE
Not only are blacks' complaints discounted, but black victims of racism are less effective witnesses than are whites, who are members of the oppressor class. This phenomenon reflects a widespread assumption that blacks, unlike whites, cannot be objective on racial issues and will favor their own no matter what. This deep seated belief fuels a continuing effort - despite all manner of Supreme Court decisions intended to curb the practice - to keep black people off juries in cases involving race. Black judges hearing racial cases are eyed suspiciously and sometimes asked to recuse themselves in favor of a white judge - without those making the request even being aware of the paradox in their motions.

THIRD RULE
Few blacks avoid diminishment of racial standing, most of their statements abot racial condidtions being diluted and their recommendations of other blacks taken with a grain of salt. The ususal exception to this rule is the black person who publicly disparages or criticizes other blacks who are speaking or acting in ways that upset whites. Instantly, such statements are granted 'enhanced standing' even when the speaker has no special expertise or experience in the subject he or she is criticizing.

FOURTH RULE
When a black person or group makes a statement or takes an action that the white community or vocal components thereof deem "outrageous," the latter will actively recruit blacks willing to refute the statement or condemn the action. Blacks who respond to the call to condemnation will receive superstanding status. The blacks who refuse to be recruited will be interpreted as endorsing the statements and action and may suffer political or economic reprisals.

FIFTH RULE
True awareness requires an understanding of the Rules of Racial Standing. As an individuals understanding of these rules increases, there will be more and more instances where one can discern their workings. Using this knowledge, one gains the gift of prophesy about racism, its essence, its goals, even its remedies. The price of this knowledge is the frustration that follows recognition that no amount of public prophesy, no matter its accuracy, can either repeal the Rules of Racial Standing nor prevent their or prevent their operation.
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Has anyone seen the James Boyd killing video? I think it happened in March this year. He was camping out in some park and the police came to arrest him. There were at least 4 that I counted among with a dog. Boyd was on a hill and unarmed, the police ask him to come down, he obliges. The police then suddenly throw a flash bang grenade on him, followed by the dog. Boyd turns away , someone yells gun and they start shooting. Amazingly even after he is not moving they fire more shots..

Its appalling.. Its scary what depths have been reached...
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It was posted a page or two back on this thread.

Homeless people are also easy victims. Homelessness is barely a step above "blackness". Only a very little evidence of aggression by the victim is needed to get away with murder.

In that case, he was a mentally ill person who could not understand orders being yelled at him. He turned around, which was construed as aggression and they shot him center of mass until he was no longer a threat. Since they had to approach him closely to gather evidence, they shot him a few more times when he was lying face down on his back... just to be sure.
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Got it.. http://www.infowars.com/uncensored-vide ... r-camping/

Ignore the infowars kookiness , just look at the video. Ok they fire bean bags after they shot him, but still... 4-5 heavily armed cops with a dog can't over power a single person without killing?
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Another day, another dog killed http://m.wcyb.com/news/wise-co-man-mour ... s/27723454

Just in case people think I am transforming the thread into a police blotter, I have dealt with far too many desis who think US police are non corrupt super human beings they can do no wrong. Killing pets seems to be par for the course these days as I pointed out earlier
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there are plenty of indians who fall into a familiar template:

if he is caught for a minor traffic violation here and fined, he will try to slide away, bribe, threaten, cajole...whatever it takes to subvert the law. he will come home and bitterly recount his ordeal and CURSE the local police. even after a challan he will try to use contacts to get it reversed.

now if he visits the US , and is mistreated by the police for some random minor misunderstanding of him being some suspect they were after (never mind the suspect was a 7' tall white male and our man is a brown 5'2" chennai gent), thrown to the ground, cuffed, jailed for a few days and then finally let go with no apology, no comp and no explanation as usual, he will drag himself back to india, call a gathering of all his relatives from 3 month old to 90 yrs and PRAISE the US police for being fair n balanced, doing their duty, upright and doing their best to protect their country !! :rotfl:
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Singha wrote:there are plenty of indians who fall into a familiar template:

if he is caught for a minor traffic violation here and fined, he will try to slide away, bribe, threaten, cajole...whatever it takes to subvert the law. he will come home and bitterly recount his ordeal and CURSE the local police. even after a challan he will try to use contacts to get it reversed.

now if he visits the US , and is mistreated by the police for some random minor misunderstanding of him being some suspect they were after (never mind the suspect was a 7' tall white male and our man is a brown 5'2" chennai gent), thrown to the ground, cuffed, jailed for a few days and then finally let go with no apology, no comp and no explanation as usual, he will drag himself back to india, call a gathering of all his relatives from 3 month old to 90 yrs and PRAISE the US police for being fair n balanced, doing their duty, upright and doing their best to protect their country !! :rotfl:
Yup- we Chennai wallahs are all SDRE's onlee :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hmmm- Is the US treatment of African Americans worse than say so called "dalits" by certain caste discriminating amoungst Indians?
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What about the Jewish Gay Teenager who did sucide? Wasnt an SDRE kid held responsible, has the Indian kid been sent to jail and subsequent deportation?
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Watch This
Is there a difference between a white guy trying to break into a car vs a black guy? Two guys test a well-known stereotype on the streets of Los Angeles
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'We're Like Animals To Them': An American City's Daily Racism
Tyler points to a house where he recently mowed the lawn for a white couple. He says the woman at the house had agreed to pay him $75. But once the work was done, he claims her husband then only paid him $25, saying that was enough. For the first time in his life, Tyler called the police. When the officers arrived, they asked the man if Tyler had stolen something. "But it was me who called the police," he says. He claims the police then told him the man could pay whatever he wanted and that Tyler should get lost.

Jurmael then points to a place where he said he recently got pulled over. He says the police immediately spoke to his girlfriend, who happens to be white, and asked, "Why are you with him?" "He's my boyfriend," she said. The officer said, "You shouldn't be with him," and then left.
Back on our drive, just as we approach Tyler's house, he points to a front yard. He says his neighbor, a black man, held a party there three years ago. At some point, Tyler says, the police arrived and complained that the music was too loud. A fight ensured and the host was soon dead. He died of a heart-attack after police zapped him with a Tazer. It had been his birthday party.

"They don't treat us like humans," Jurmael says. "We're like animals to them, ones they can shoot down like deer." The wife of the man who was Tazered still hangs her husband's photo each year on a tree in the front yard to commemorate his birthday. She never filed a complaint.

"The police know that most of us can't even afford a lawyer," Tyler says. Besides, he adds, the judges in Ferguson are all political appointees and are all white. "People are completely powerless," says Jurmael.

Given that such a large percentage of the population is black, it's surprising that more locals haven't taken up politics in order to challenge the status quo. When asked why no African American has run for mayor, people in Ferguson say you need money to do that -- and that few have it. But perhaps it is also because those who grew up feeling they were second-class citizens lack the confidence needed to run for public office.
The car is now driving past large, old wooden homes with fresh-painted verandas and well-groomed front yards, small oases of order. "Look right up there," Jurmael says as he points to the front door of a house. There's a bronze plaque on the door, as there are at many homes in the area. It notes that a slave owner once lived in the home.

The plaques are not intended as memorials. Instead they appear to reflect the pride some of these homeowners have in their house's history. The neighborhood is the city's Historic District and is a tourist attraction. Even today, though, the district is inhabited exclusively by white people.

Jurmael says his grandmother told him as a child that things would never change. "She said the whites brought us here by force to do their dirty work," he says. "People can't say that openly anymore, but they do continue to think that way."

For years Jurmael tried to pay no heed to his grandmother's opinion, but he now agrees with her.

Just about anywhere you go in the United States where young African Americans live, you don't have to look hard to find ones who feel harassed. But the differences between blacks and whites are particularly apparent here in Ferguson. As a state, Missouri had a hard time eliminating slavery and, later on, it had trouble finding the will to repeal its racial segregation laws.
Several decades ago, black fans were still required to sit in a separate seating area in the stadium with inferior views of the field. But even after segregation ended, the seating arrangement remained. People were used to it. Indeed, the shadows of the past reach right up to today.

In the days leading up to Brown's funeral on Monday, white signs bearing the slogan of a new movement had been posted in the front yards of the former slave-owners' district. They read, "I love Ferguson." On this particular morning, the organizers of the initiative have gathered at the Corner Coffee House. A long line formed at one table with people waiting to buy signs and t-shirts. There's not a single African American in the cafe -- not among the guests or among the service personnel. Only the guy in the kitchen is black. The people gathering here are part of what could be described as the white countermovement.
The people here have little regard for the African-American protesters who have been marching for justice each night. "They're like cockroaches," one woman next to Fletcher calls out. "They only come out of their holes at night."
Take the account of Henry Davis. Five years ago, police pulled the 52-year-old African American over one night. They checked his papers and allegedly found there was an arrest warrant against him. At the Ferguson police station, one officer told them that they had picked up the wrong man. The Henry Davis for whom an arrest warrant had been issued looked different, was much bigger and had a different middle initial, the officer said.

Nevertheless, Davis was still forced into a cell by four white policemen. As he lay on the floor, they punched him in the back and in the head. Then they pulled his upper body up by the handcuffs and one of the police kicked him directly on the forehead.

Henry still sounds furious and distressed when he tells his story today. "They hit us blacks and they kill us blacks," he says. "And they do everything they can to cover it up."

After his beating in the jail cell, the doctors at the hospital were reportedly ordered not to take any photos. His head was covered in blood and he had a deep wound on his scalp. In the five years since, not one of the policemen involved has been punished. In Ferguson, officials accused of excessive violence fill out the investigation reports themselves -- so it comes as little surprise that cases like the Davis beating never crossed former mayor Fletcher's desk.

The police claimed that Davis had fallen against a wall. Instead of justice, Davis was charged two weeks later with counts of destruction of property, for "knowingly bleeding on their uniforms," and ordered to pay $3,000.

"I don't believe they would have done this kind of thing to a white man," Davis says today.
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A sharp racial divide, even on police militarization
Nearly seven-in-ten blacks (68%) say they have not too much or no confidence at all in police using this type of equipment appropriately; by contrast, most whites (60%) have a great deal or fair amount of confidence in police department to appropriately use military equipment and weapons.
According to a partisan breakdown of the new Pew poll sent my way, approximately 70 percent of Republicans have a great deal (25) or a fair amount (45) of confidence in police departments’ ability to use this weaponry appropriately; only 28 percent of them have little or no confidence. By contrast, roughly 54 percent of Democrats have little or no confidence, while 45 percent of Dems have confidence.

And so, libertarian conservatives who are hoping for bipartisan consensus on police militarization may have to contend with the fact that many Republican and white voters don’t appear as concerned about it.
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An audio recording of the brown/ferguson incident has surfaced. One hears two volleys of shots with a pause in the middle. The recording itself and the shot sequence is helpful in understanding the US. Google if you like.
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Aditya_V wrote:What about the Jewish Gay Teenager who did sucide? Wasnt an SDRE kid held responsible, has the Indian kid been sent to jail and subsequent deportation?
Dont know about that .
But I remember the manhunt for a Indian look-alike after pictures of the Boston Bombing suspects were released. Readers of reddit.com acted like vigilantes ( minus pitchforks & the hanging) and they decided it was Sunil Tripathi based on their "investigations" on reddit.com . This guy was missing for a month and people started to abuse the "Find Sunil Tripathi page" on Facebook that the parents had created.
Sunil Tripathi was later found dead ( suicide ) he had severe depression
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I knew it! The great State of Al-Obama, which proclaims
We Dare Defend Our (whites onlee) Rights

at the door to the pakistan at the Welcome Center Rest Area, is a haven of justice in comparison to dem northerner states. How come, as someone said, they didn't send General Sherman to clean up St. Louis like he did Atlanta and Savannah?

Might do a world of good to send the 24th Mechanized Infantry (mostly black) or the 82nd Airborne (ditto) rolling / marching through and over the lawns of some of these neighborhoods, guns at max depression, like. That is how JFK won the Hearts of Minds of Al-Obamians to accept non-white students in their universities.

Does Obama have the guts?
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srin wrote:http://gawker.com/what-black-parents-te ... 1624412625

Excerpt:
<SNIP>
Every black male I've ever met has had this talk<SNIP>
The comments are especially insightful ...
From comments section, by a Chinese
I always hate these discussions, especially nowadays, mainly because I am Chinese - which in America means that both white and black people see you as fair game for racist attitudes and both regard you as part of the other :D - white culture sees you as non white and black culture sees you as white (Jesse Jackson actually said that Asians are non- minorities in a recent interview here in the bay area, said that only latinos and blacks are true minorities). I can tell you, as someone who spent part of my childhood in the midwest being called the "gook" and the "nigger indian" by my teachers :eek: in school, that, no, Asians are not the same as white - not treated the same. I have had my share of being targeted and beaten by police (especially when I lived in LA and was caught in a white neighborhood) extra patdowns at the airport, getting followed around in stores by security, etc. etc. The black/ white thing is a pretty myopic view of race relations in this country and not the only issue - I see that blacks are treated unfairly for sure - but it is always hard to try to wave a flag for someone who is oppressed when that person treats you the same as the other guy.
How can a teacher NOT bother about how China and India are different and that has nothing to do with calls that sound racist! Hopefully some rough ideas should be drawn by Indian community too to avoid getting in the way of trigger happy anyone. Don't mind, by the way, if you happen to see hands ready on gun holster when you are checking out your bags at an airport and flying out of the country, after all it is all about standards and procedures!

Logically speaking, it is upto the majority to ensure healthy environment for all sections of society. If such a thing happen in India, or happened in the past and documented, then the first world people will wave that as a proof of some assumptions which seem to be not completely apparent everywhere in first world itself!
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Aditya_V wrote:Yup- we Chennai wallahs are all SDRE's onlee :lol: :lol: :lol:
err..what is the offense here.
Hmmm- Is the US treatment of African Americans worse than say so called "dalits" by certain caste discriminating amoungst Indians?
open shirt - torn fly.

besides, india does not pretend it is 'post-caste' and proceed to lecture other countries on how it should treat its citizens etc.

USA does and plenty of naive indians fall for that on their way to mutu-dom.
What about the Jewish Gay Teenager who did sucide? Wasnt an SDRE kid held responsible, has the Indian kid been sent to jail and subsequent deportation?
so? what is the relevance here?
On May 21, 2012, Judge Glenn Berman sentenced Ravi to 30 days in jail, 3 years probation, 300 hours of community service, a $10,000 fine, and counseling on cyberbullying and alternate lifestyles.[6] Lead prosecutor Julia McClure had sought a five-year prison term and on May 23, 2012 filed a motion appealing the sentence.[97]

On May 30, 2012, Ravi waived his right to remain free during the appeals process and began his jail term at the Middlesex County Adult Corrections Center in North Brunswick, New Jersey on May 31, 2012.[7][98]

Ravi was released from jail on June 19, 2012 after serving 20 days of his 30 day term, with 5 days of credit for good behavior and 5 days of work credits.[99]

Ravi is a permanent resident of the United States who immigrated at age 6. Clementi's family, M.B., and the judge all recommended Ravi not be deported. In June 2012, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials announced that the convictions were not serious enough to seek deportation
still not getting relevance here..

did you bump your head or something?
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Arming the Police with miltary equipment violates the spirit if not the text of Posse Comistatus law of 1878 which states military forces will not be used inside US. In 1981, the Act was amended to exclude National Guard as they are considered under the State Governors. The Coast Guard was never subject to the PC law as they are spread all over and deployed at sea for Search and Rescue (SAR) mission.

TSJ, How is this different than the Redcoats of King George III and against whom the Revolution was started?
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ramana wrote:Arming the Police with miltary equipment violates the spirit if not the text of Posse Comistatus law of 1878 which states military forces will not be used inside US. In 1981, the Act was amended to exclude National Guard as they are considered under the State Governors. The Coast Guard was never subject to the PC law as they are spread all over and deployed at sea for Search and Rescue (SAR) mission.

TSJ, How is this different than the Redcoats of King George III and against whom the Revolution was started?
The police department have access to surplus military gear under anti terrorism laws but they still answer to the city council and the mayor. What has happened in Ferguson is that over the last 20 years or so white flight has left the city with only a 20% white population and they are elderly and a 80% black population which is not elderly. However the white political power structure is still in place. That will soon change as blacks take over leadership and the city will gradually devolve into a Detroit or East St Louis or Compton, Newark, etc. I wish I was wrong in this assumption but I fear I am correct.
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Did this militarization of police forces happen during the past decade especially after the LA shoot out when the officers found themselves totally out gunned and had to go to a nearby gun store to equip themselves?
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saip wrote:Did this militarization of police forces happen during the past decade especially after the LA shoot out when the officers found themselves totally out gunned and had to go to a nearby gun store to equip themselves?

Are you referring ot the Rodney King riots in LA?

If so was there any stats of police casualties? I dont think so.
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saip wrote:Did this militarization of police forces happen during the past decade especially after the LA shoot out when the officers found themselves totally out gunned and had to go to a nearby gun store to equip themselves?
No, what you are referring to is the North Hollywood bank robbery shoot out in 1997 where two thugs had ak-47s and the cops had 9mm pistols:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

the mother of one of the thugs kept suing the lapd for letting her son bleed to death w/o medical care until the court system deemed her as a vexatious litigant and banned her lawsuits.


the surplus anti-terrorism bill was passed due to the 9-11 incident and the creation of department of homeland security.
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Ta-Nehisi Coates, national correspondent for The Atlantic, addresses the issues raised in his article "The Case for Reparations," detailing the history of slavery in America and arguing that the resulting and persisting social, economic and political injustices, especially in housing, should be addressed through government reparations.
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TSJones wrote: The police department have access to surplus military gear under anti terrorism laws but they still answer to the city council and the mayor. What has happened in Ferguson is that over the last 20 years or so white flight has left the city with only a 20% white population and they are elderly and a 80% black population which is not elderly. However the white political power structure is still in place. That will soon change as blacks take over leadership and the city will gradually devolve into a Detroit or East St Louis or Compton, Newark, etc. I wish I was wrong in this assumption but I fear I am correct.
I usually dont care enough to respond to your posts, but I have to respond to this ignorant stupidity of a statement. This is the "colored people aren't capable of governing themselves" belief of the white-psyche.

I wonder if it ever occurred to those people who loudly complain about "black cities" that these black cities will have low tax income. Low tax income is because the white economy never integrated the blacks into them after they were released from slavery, resulting in extreme multi-generation vicious cycle of poverty and violence. The second thing that people who make such astoundingly stupid statements miss is the fact that these "black cities" are the lowest priorities when it comes to getting federal/state funding and aid, since most of the such funding and aid is decided upon by the white folks. Katrina anyone?

Here is a larger example: Broken Africa Stereotype:
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/03/13 ... tereotype/
Africa was, is and always shall be backward. Anything good in Africa comes from outside. Africans can never do anything right – and never will. James Watson, co-discoverer of DNA who should know a thing or two about genes, said he was:

inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa [because] all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really.

I used to think this picture was a side effect of the Western press, which makes a living off of bad news, and Western NGOs, which make a living off of helping the helpless – making Africa the Country into a land of bad news and helpless people. Not so: the stereotype goes way back, to the 1700s, to the days of the slave trade.

War, famine, disease and evil men are found throughout the world and throughout history, not just in Africa. So why does the image of a Broken Africa stick?

The Rule of How Mud Sticks:
  • When blacks do something bad or whites do something good, it is largely due to inborn qualities – like “black” crime and “white” inventions.
    When blacks do something good or whites do something bad, it is an exception or largely due to circumstances – like black inventions and white crime.
This creates an imbalanced, racist picture of Africa:

Mugabe? Proof that blacks are unfit for rule. Hitler? A madman.
The Rwandan genocide kills 800,00 Tutsis? Proof of how violent Africans are. The German genocide kills 6 million Jews? That was an exception. The Germans killed 100,00 Hereros in Namibia? Another exception.
Middle-class Nairobi or Luanda? Exceptions. The slums of Nairobi and Luanda? Proof of how screwed up Africa is.
African civilizations? They tell us nothing. Primitive tribes in out-of-the-way places? The True Africa.


Like most stereotypes it is two parts self-serving lie and one part projection:

Projection: It was the West that broke Africa. It was the West that was savage. It was the West that could not run things properly. Before whites showed up Timbuktu had more people than London and its schools were better known at the time than Oxford and Cambridge. After whites appeared over 17 million died in the slave trade and the slave wars.

Self-serving lie: The stereotype did not arise till the 1700s to excuse the slave trade – and later grew in strength during the white rule of colonialism. That Africa is poorer than Europe and North America has nothing to do with whites robbing it of human labour and mineral wealth. No, Africa is broken by nature.
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One of the incidents that clearly defined the lines was the Prof in Boston who was arrested at his doorstep after having proved that he was indeed in his own home; and then the President had to invite both, the prof and the arresting officer for a 'beer' summit. Race relations were defined right there.
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While this project is NSF funded horse manure, black helicopters for speaking up are closer than you think. Perhaps even for this post!
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Gus, that case against Ravi was a bloody outrage. Maybe I have bumped my head too, but I maintain that the whole thing was a bloody outrage, and there must be payback for that.

Parents send kids to school to STUDY, not be buggered. One does not send freshmen to college forms with the understanding that the freshman dorm is a sodomy house. In some states that is outlawed, period, but in any event, tolerating such conduct whether between homos, heteros or paki-goatos in a FRESHMAN dorm, and that with a 30-year-old outsider coming in, pun intended, is way beyond acceptable. The conduct should have been reported, and resulted in the perps being expelled. The kid clearly was shocked out of his wits at such conduct not only occurring but being blatantly tolerated, and he was left with no outlet to complain or seek a peaceful studying environment other than to use what was available to him: the internet.

To turn that into a "hate" crime was bloody outrageous. No further comment here, for obvious reasons. I think Ravi's parents should have sued Rutgers for $1B. The State of Georgia, for instance, would have filed an amicus curieae, hain? Utter miscarriage of "justice".
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LOL, UB... good luck trying to sue Rutgers, you are violating first commandment of the white tribe: "Never threaten the white tribe and its power structure, intentionally or otherwise".

A young gay white male committed suicide and Ravi was involved in it whether he intended to or not, and he needed to be made an example out of. So the jury turned lynch-mob and declared him guilty on every effing charge that the prosecutors managed to throw at him. The judge however saw some sense in Ravi's defense and gave him the lightest possible sentence.
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I rarely pay attention to internal happenings in the US. But with all the chatter I thought I might as well tune to see what the excitement was about. Ok usual black, white thing. Killing one-sided and with impunity etc. So all cool, was thinking same shite different day etc. then I saw some of the cops. Man those guys are all weaponed up. More heavily and obviously than the spec forces in Afghanistan. Wtf? How do they deal with "normal" people? Something's deeply wrong here, there is some fundamental social situation we are not seeing and no one is talking about ... At least not enough. Just a perception point.
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while the SOCOM gear and tactics have come into police in the last decade, policing in the US atleast in the south has always been about heavy weapons and intimidation.
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give cops more military gear not less.....

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/lets-f ... 83fab44a3f
Solid-state active denial technology, for instance, relies on focused, invisible millimeter-wave energy—similar to airport scanning technology—to create a burning sensation on the surface of the skin … and an immediate impulse to get out of the way.

Among its many applications, ADT shows particular promise for crowd dispersal. It’s remarkably effective, as proven in no fewer than 11,000 individual tests.
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Gus wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:Yup- we Chennai wallahs are all SDRE's onlee :lol: :lol: :lol:
err..what is the offense here.
I think predator was mistakenly stereotyping persons, better would 5 foot 2 inch Indian rather than link to a place in India.
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You thought that debtors' prison was a thing of the past?
Not so in the exceptional US of A.
In Orange County, Calif., the probation department’s “supervised electronic confinement program,” which monitors the movements of low-risk offenders, has been outsourced to a private company, Sentinel Offender Services. The company, by its own account, oversees case management, including breath alcohol and drug-testing services, “all at no cost to county taxpayers.”

Sentinel makes its money by getting the offenders on probation to pay for the company’s services. Charges can range from $35 to $100 a month.
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In addition to probation, municipal court systems are also turning collections over to a national network of companies like Sentinel that profit from service charges imposed on the men and women who are under court order to pay fees and fines, including traffic tickets (with the fees being sums tacked on by the court to fund administrative services).

When they cannot pay these assessed fees and fines – plus collection charges imposed by the private companies — offenders can be sent to jail. There are many documented cases in which courts have imprisoned those who failed to keep up with their combined fines, fees and service charges.

“These companies are bill collectors, but they are given the authority to say to someone that if he doesn’t pay, he is going to jail,” John B. Long, a lawyer in Augusta, Ga. active in defending the poor, told Ethan Bronner of The Times.
A February 2014 report by Human Rights Watch on private offender services found that “more than 1,000 courts in several US states delegate tremendous coercive power to companies that are often subject to little meaningful oversight or regulation. In many cases, the only reason people are put on probation is because they need time to pay off fines and court costs linked to minor crimes. In some of these cases, probation companies act more like abusive debt collectors than probation officers, charging the debtors for their services.”

Human Rights Watch also found that in Georgia in 2012, in “a state of less than 10 million people, 648 courts assigned more than 250,000 cases to private probation companies.” The report notes that “there is virtually no transparency about the revenues of private probation companies” since “practically all of the industry’s firms are privately held and not subject to the disclosure requirements that bind publicly traded companies. No state requires probation companies to report their revenues, or by logical extension the amount of money they collect for themselves from probationers.”
Oh, the joys of Capitalism!
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saip wrote:Did this militarization of police forces happen during the past decade especially after the LA shoot out when the officers found themselves totally out gunned and had to go to a nearby gun store to equip themselves?
I am not sure but it may have started here
Sec. 103. General Functions. Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs, shall:

(a) identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including essential military AND civilian demand;

(b) assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime AND times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel;
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All these stories make one recall Jean Valjean in Victor Hugo's "Les Miserables". He went to prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his sister's children.

In US he would have been shot dead.
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Preet Bharara would fit right in there too. What was the name of the Prosecutor in The Count of Monte Cristo?
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