Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Nov 2011 23:57

pgbhat wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:CRamS, there has been cross-border firing between India and Pakistan for the longest time. But for you somehow one ISAF cross-border attack is something amazing?
Well this one involved helicopters crossing the border. It violated Pacquistan's sovirginity.... killing jihadis in *uniform*

Normally its the army dressed as jihadis. Now the other way around.

Let us see who backs down!

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Nov 2011 00:36

Ivanev wrote: ^^At least India never had to apologize for it!

Every time some slap is given to the Pakis, and they cry howl on sovereignty, there is hope that it would be different from the previous ones and either side would take action. Well, its not going to happen, I would rather go with the analysis of Shiv! The sovereignty of the Pakis was taken away long time back and the biggest slap was the OBL raid, if the crisis didn't escalate to war at that point of time, then chances are very less it would now. It was the biggest window for them to act tough and it had the popular support too. This thing is getting repeated again and again, and by logic it should have the same outcome, ie nothing! If something really does, well its a win-win one, and if it doesn't atleast I am not pinning my hopes on it.

Looking at the frequency of such events in recent past, my sense is that the crisis has already escalated and pakis are now seen as enemy. But its all happening under hijab. We, the outsiders, are only able to see something that couldnt be hidden under hijab. It suits both parties to avoid public hostilities given their past dirty mutual association. They must hold secrets of each other's shenagians. So, it battle under hijab, atleast for now. It also seems like amirkhans dont want another official war, especially in pak because no winning conditions can be set given that it is a mess.

Btw, is it not 'chanakian' that you continue to hit them, and if they complain too much, you mumble an apology. And continue to hit them.

India has not apologised in words. But if actions are any indication, then we are much worse off. Aman ki tamasha is case in point...as if 26/11 never happened.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 27 Nov 2011 00:45

Some snippets from Strat..
"The post is of significant size, has existed for a good amount of time, and Pakistani sources have said the United States is well aware of its existence. Some reports suggest the attack involved both fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft and may have included strikes on multiple positions. "
"Pakistani officials moved fast today to back up statements that they would be confrontational in their response to the incident. After summoning U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter, Islamabad announced the permanent closure of supply lines carrying NATO supplies to Afghanistan. Islamabad also told Washington to leave Pakistan’s Shamsi air base, which the United States has used to launch covert drone strikes."
"Indeed, given the sensitivity of the current climate and the timing, the scale of the incident is remarkable. Elements both within the Pakistani government and in the FATA are likely to benefit from a significantly wider rift between the United States and Pakistan — so the intentional staging of a provocation is not only possible but seems highly likely."
"ISAF has long dealt with such closures — and even a closure lasting more than a week should not impact operations on the ground, especially now that stockpiles have been established and the alternative Northern Distribution Network has been significantly expanded. But Washington is not yet completely free of its reliance on supplies moved through Pakistan and so will need to find a way to resume the flow of supplies from the port of Karachi and of fuel from Pakistani refineries — both of which move through the crossings at Chaman and Torkham."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Nov 2011 00:49

Koi kahe Chaubis , Koi Kahhe Atthai
Kush correct Hinse batyo ,Mere Bhai
Kitne Poaki Thei orr Kitno ne Hoorgati pai
Apas ki baat hai, sunna hai , Afghans baant rahe thei Mithhai!!.
Uppar wali Sasural mei aw pahunche ,aaj many Paki Jamai.

My gut feeling is now the Us election light is on the FAK-AAP region , the falsehood of Paki-Amirakki fraud"n"shit ( Friendship) soon gonna explode and hit the fan made in China .IMPO, By 2014-2015 ,combined Cheeni and Paki forces will be staring at ISAF on one side and Indian on the the other side.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Nov 2011 01:00

Prem wrote: My gut feeling is now the Us election light is on the FAK-AAP region , the falsehood of Paki-Amirakki fraud"n"shit ( Friendship) soon gonna explode and hit the fan made in China .IMPO, By 2014-2015 ,combined Cheeni and Paki forces will be staring at ISAF on one side and Indian on the the other side.

Tatha astu!
Hopefully, by then political and economical situation would have degraded in china. And Amirkhans also would be garib-er.
I believe India's(and dharma's) rise is inevitable.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 27 Nov 2011 01:09

A_Gupta wrote:Yes, Indian fire never hit any Pakistani in uniform.

I am not comparing this to Indian response. Just stating that it is something Pacquis would not have expected from khans.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 27 Nov 2011 01:09

@Guddu ^^^: Seems to be confirmed by AFP

http://www.afp.com/afpcom/en/taglibrary ... /actuality

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Nov 2011 02:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoRt9QqY ... r_embedded
All the Paki here look DFTA from European region.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 27 Nov 2011 02:52

Till the time local abduls were getting killed by drones in cold blood Kiyani and pasha team was Ok with it. The moment they hit PA (by mistake) they withdraw all kinds of support...

Paki lurkers, civilian rule mubarak ho!!!

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 27 Nov 2011 05:04

Pakistan stops NATO supplies after deadly raid

I wasn't able to chk this thread for past 24hrs and what do i see now.... Khush Khabar.... The thread has progressed 3 more pages and the Pawki Sovirginity has been again violated, now lets all bet how long does it take and how much will it cost for the NATO supplies to resume and the La-whori virginity healing process to begin.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 27 Nov 2011 05:08

Multi-annual holy tire burning festival in Pakistan is on, alhamdilullah...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/26/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t3

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 27 Nov 2011 05:10

CNN's report..
Pakistan to review relations with U.S., NATO, ISAF in wake of attack

It comes of course with some hysterical reactions from pakis

Pakistani politicians responded angrily to the incident in Mohmand.

"This is the time to be united as a nation and to punch NATO with a fist," said Ahmed Khan Bahadur, a provincial lawmaker from the Awami National Party, the ruling party of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. "NATO could never dare if we were united."

Excellent idea, my man.. Please stand united, the Ameerkhan will need fewer hellphyrs..

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Nov 2011 05:15

Pawki Sovirginity has been again violated

Well!! The chini doctor will again verify the sovirginity of the paki whore after surgery to restore the paki TFTA hy-men and certify it for next assault. Well let's hope that Chini doctor gives up on this again and again surgery. While Paki whore is gearing up the malign the AmirKhan and his poodles by going public., what is the next step for Amrikhan and its poodles is the $64000 question?

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 27 Nov 2011 05:16

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan's Toxic Brotherhood

From the above:

Fear of uncertainty is less than half the story in Pakistan. An increasing number of influential Pakistanis are being driven abroad by the certainty of fundamentalist violence and the danger to their lives. Najam Sethi, the well-known journalist, now edits his Lahore-based newspaper from America. He is on the hit list of those who killed the former governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer. Sherry Rehman, named as Haqqani's replacement, will be far safer in Washington than Karachi. She has courageously championed the cause of minorities being persecuted by fundamentalists. The palpable fear among the thin crust which remains sane and liberal in an increasingly beleaguered nation is not fear of Talibanisation in next door Afghanistan but the Talibanisation of Pakistan.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Nov 2011 05:18

A_Gupta wrote:CRamS, there has been cross-border firing between India and Pakistan for the longest time. But for you somehow one ISAF cross-border attack is something amazing?

US violated TSP H&D with impunity and to rub salt to the wound, apologized for it. In the coming days, TSP will huff and puff, US will throw a few H&D soothing dog bones, and TSP will grin and move on. In other words, US will follow a true Chankyan policy of carrots & sticks.

Now do a small gedanken experiment with me. Imagine India violated TSP sovereignty and knocked off a few TFTA TSPA troops. Do you think TSP would have not responded by now? Just estimate if you can, the sequence of events that would have taken place, including US condemnation to such a bold move by India. And do you think in the current MMS surrender climate, India will even contemplate such a bold move for fear of "vitiating the piss process".

Enough said, lets just sit back, and enjoy the US TSP entertainment, and observe which direction it will take.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Nov 2011 05:43

Imagine India violated TSP sovereignty and knocked off a few TFTA TSPA troops. Do you think TSP would have not responded by now

They cannot all MMS has to do is
1. Condemn the attack on non-state actors who are violating pakistan.
2. Tell them that next shipment of Sugar and vegetables is on us.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 27 Nov 2011 05:45

These two tweets from today are fairly interesting.

First, from "Prof" C. Fair

@mehreenkasana What validates my argument is that Pakistan has been behind nearly every major terror plot in CONUS/EUROPE/India for years.

And then, from "a Pakistani diplomat in training academy"

@CChristineFair Alleged support of proxy attacks is surely different from invading territory & attacking thru regular force. @mehreenkasana

So clearly, the ISAF failed by not pretending non-State actors for today's attack, unlike Pakistan which does things the correct way. Also, the diplomat's training seems to be proceeding well. Finally, the fallout between Ms. CFair and her Pakistani fans is extremely entertaining, inspite of her extremely charming and broken mixture of Urdu and English.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Nov 2011 06:02

Apologizing is "rubbing salt in the wound"?

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The drop in IED Mubarak in Pakistan may be temporary, but may also be seen as a coalescence of unity around anti- Americanism. While this forecast is perilous, I sense a definite break is in the works.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Nov 2011 06:37

The Uncle's departure from Shamsi will be be the first real shot in Baluchi independence and Afghanistan's struggle to gain direct access to the Ocean of India without getting eaten by Poakrocodile.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Nov 2011 07:01

A_Gupta wrote:Apologizing is "rubbing salt in the wound"?

Insincere soothing words rub the salt in the wound when they come from the lips of those who caused the wounds. Eg: there is a terror attack in India by pakis. Then, pakis issue a statement that they condemn the attack and sympathise with India.

So, if the amirkhans continue to violate sovereignty, then their apologies are salting the wound.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Nov 2011 07:11

Pakistan hasn’t, can’t deliver on terrorism: Chidambaram

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Nov 2011 07:13

After the last terrorist attack, he was giving clean chit to Pakis. Why this sudden change?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2011 07:18

harbans wrote:I doubt this incident/ event will be subdued by just blocking NATO tankers. The mango Abdul is baying for blood. Same sentiment would be felt in the lowest levels of the PA/ PN/ PAF. The Generals will have to be shown doing something more. They might even make a public announcement of withdrawal in the WOT. There is going to be a lot of anger now diverted inwards..towards the leaders, Zardari more so. There is no easy exit from this one for the Paki.

Harbans your post set off some conflicting thoughts in my mind. There is one set of Pakis - a bunch of middle class, "informed by TV/media" + Islamist bunch who would fit into the category of "people baying for weshtren blood". This group/consituency have been nurtured and encouraged by the Jernails and RAPE establishment of Pakistan to give a loud voice to the Army's ambition in Pakhanaland.

But I also believe that the above 2 groups represent less than 15% of all Pakis. I believe that more that 80% of all Pakis are "unheard" and despite not loving India and perhaps not loving anyone but Allah and Army they love their stomachs enough to want food/security etc. Apart from providing foot soldiers for Allah and Army - like infantrymen and and Kasabs, this group are unlikely to be conducting mass anti-Amrika demonstrations in every village in Pakhanastan.

The reason I am using this hypothesis here is to point out that the Army of Pakistan will not have 180 milion Pakis behind it. It will have maybe 25 million Pakis. Not a small number, but a small enough proportion to complicate issues for a Pakistan army that
1. Hogs all the money
2. Is actually scared of fighting India directly
3. Is getting embroiled in a war with the western forces
4. Is already fighting a civil war inside Pakistan
5. Has seen lot of desertions and is low on morale
6. Gets most of its rank and file from the bottom 80% of Packees.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Nov 2011 07:27

Polio, India’s latest cross-border threat

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Nov 2011 07:37

Middle class and elites in developing nations are funny. They are the most vocal ones, but they are also the ones who will migrate to 'better' places at first chance. In a failed country like pakistan, this tendency would be amplified. So, while the middle classes and the elites may back the PA in any confrontation with amirkhan out of 'patriotism', but they are also the ones who would lap up the oppurtunity to escape from the mess named pakistan.

Bottom of the pyramid can always be bought with money and material.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2011 07:44

Prem wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoRt9QqY ... r_embedded
All the Paki here look DFTA from European region.

Ha Big deal! Biiiigggggg deal! These crapholes lost thousands of men in Kargil and not even one was reported on Paki TV. And now there is a deliberate move by the shitistan army to try and provoke a response. Not sue why the family should be bothered. They contributed one so to jihad no? Jihad al fisbulla or whatever that Pakhani army motto is. They have 3 more sins and daughter. 180 millllion people. 28 men. What's the big loss. More people are dying in Kraachi every day.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Nov 2011 07:49

johneeG wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Apologizing is "rubbing salt in the wound"?
Insincere soothing words rub the salt in the wound when they come from the lips of those who caused the wounds. Eg: there is a terror attack in India by pakis. Then, pakis issue a statement that they condemn the attack and sympathise with India.

So, if the amirkhans continue to violate sovereignty, then their apologies are salting the wound.

Ah, so India fails to rub salt in the wound, as it could.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Nov 2011 08:05

A_Gupta wrote: Ah, so India fails to rub salt in the wound, as it could.

didnt get you...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2011 08:08

CRamS wrote: Now do a small gedanken experiment with me. Imagine India violated TSP sovereignty and knocked off a few TFTA TSPA troops. Do you think TSP would have not responded by now? Just estimate if you can, the sequence of events that would have taken place,

CRamS all this has already happened, and you only need to look back without trying to prove that US dik is bigger to see exactly how history has played out. I am not trying to prove you wrong or even say India dik bigger that Sri Sri Sri USA. No gedanken required. Just memory of recorded events.

The last time Indians killed Paki troops in numbers was 1999, which Pakistan denied. They responded by getting the army out of the line of fire and conducting a successful decade of "asymmetric war" against India in the form of terrorism. Sometime in the middle of all this - while India was busy trying to figure out what it was coming face to face with, America faced an incident on 9-11-2001 which was blamed on Afghanistan .

The USA befriended Pakistan, pulled them close, apologised for having "abandoned them" in the 1990s and coopted them in the American "War on terror"

The American "war on terror" in Afghanistan was being fought with Pakistani "help and cooperation" in parallel to but separate from Indias' own war on terror that involved putting up a fence to stop Pakis entereing Kashmir while discovering that the fence was not good enough and that internal terrorism in India was the next step in Paki escalation. This was a time when some people on BRF were advising that India should fight terror like America was fighting terror. For Indians on BRF this was difficult to comprehend. To Indians it appeared like India was facing terror from Pakistan, but America was fighting a war in Afghanistan and arming and bribing Pakistan. To Indians on BRF with no split allegiance to America, the American way of fighting war on terror did not make sense because it involved mollycoddling Pakistan.

As Indians watched the US-Pakistan love fest with dismay, it appeared that the American war on terror was grinding to a halt. And that is exactly what happened. it was Pakistan that was benefiting and the US was not winning. (Not winning is a polite way of saying "losing") . Then it turned out that American troops were being killed by Pakistan forces right from 2004. This was being denied by America. The denials ended only after black man Uncle Tom Obama became President. Ironic that it took a kaalu to do that.

The US's war on terror went up shit creek because the US chose to navigate up shit creek with a bunch of foolish misinformed Americans whites (who had eaten Paki salt) advising "The Prez" while a whole lot of rah rah America folks of various nationalities talked as if "sending in the marines" was the best thing that happened after Columbus and Apple pie. Only the marines were being sent up shit creek with Pakistan as the boat.

Please...Indians are dumb as you have often implied. But not that dumb.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Nov 2011 08:31

shiv wrote: For Indians on BRF this was difficult to comprehend. To Indians it appeared like India was facing terror from Pakistan, but America was fighting a war in Afghanistan and arming and bribing Pakistan. To Indians on BRF with no split allegiance to America, the American way of fighting war on terror did not make sense because it involved mollycoddling Pakistan.

To anyone with two or more functioning neurons, not just Indians on BRF!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2011 08:35

Pakistanis feel it is time to clear mistrust with India
Why is it time now ?
This Indian author is part of a delegation of journalists from Mumbai who recently visited Pakistan and came back suitably impressed. She, therefore,appallingly says this in the context of 26/11,

Karachi itself witnessed two blasts while the delegation was visiting, and much like Mumbai, the people seemed to take them in their stride.

Other quotes

. . . the recent granting of Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status by Pakistan to India {Now, that is a lie. That has not happened}

Vice-Chancellor Pirzada Qasim Raza Siddiqui [of Karachi University] says the university is collaborating extensively with Indians, political differences aside. Many students come from India {Why are Indian students going to Karachi Univeristy ?}

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Nov 2011 08:37

As a consequence of the NATO attack of the Salala check-post, eyrie of the National Bird of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ordered to be closed:

Secret of Shamsi Base revealed as closure ordered

A scant two days ago the Islamic Republic of Pakistan of making a major song and dance of US drone attacks and suggesting that they were unwilling victims of events it now transpires they actively supported by providing basing rights

.

Is there in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan some Islamic doctrine that says since “taqiyya” is religiously permitted it is the duty of all good Mohammaddens to accept the fiction that the Pakistani Military and Government is not actively conniving with the US to see that drone attacks continue

Pakistan to take up U.S. drone strikes in UN

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2011 08:43

SSridhar wrote:Pakistanis feel it is time to clear mistrust with India
Why is it time now ?

The time to extract all we need from Pakistan is now. This is not the time to be kind and sympathetic to crapistan. This is the time to jeer, mock, spit at and stamp them

I am not kidding. Magnanimity and being gracious towards an adversary is what has been a hallmark of Indian culture. Even ancient Indian wars were too civilised. People fought only from dawn to dusk and only in maidaans (open fields), using only armies. India never ever picked up the tactic of fighting in villages and towns, killing women and children and doing that at night if need be.

This same Indian "civility" is showing out now. Pakistan, the biggest bunch of genocidal murderers in the history of the world is being brought to its knees and is looking for a way out. They are now trying to escape by getting friendly with India. Let them first wind up radical Islam.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 27 Nov 2011 09:02

shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Pakistanis feel it is time to clear mistrust with India
Why is it time now ?
The time to extract all we need from Pakistan is now. This is not the time to be kind and sympathetic to crapistan. This is the time to jeer, mock, spit at and stamp them

I am not kidding. Magnanimity and being gracious towards an adversary is what has been a hallmark of Indian culture. Even ancient Indian wars were too civilised. People fought only from dawn to dusk and only in maidaans (open fields), using only armies. India never ever picked up the tactic of fighting in villages and towns, killing women and children and doing that at night if need be.

This same Indian "civility" is showing out now. Pakistan, the biggest bunch of genocidal murderers in the history of the world is being brought to its knees and is looking for a way out. They are now trying to escape by getting friendly with India. Let them first wind up radical Islam.

Agreed.

Is it now or never oppurtunity? To me, it seems like irreversible descend of pakis. I always felt that they will eventually try to bail out by sucking up to Indians. If the pak descends further and India grows, then they may start talking of partition as blunder and propose undoing it.

It is this behaviour that gives me hope that they will abandon their ideology to save their skin. But for that India will have to act tough and hardhearted, in the face of paki entreaties and wails. Only when they have abandoned their ideology completely without any conditions, then and only then should India rescue them.

vic · Post by **vic** » 27 Nov 2011 09:07

American friends are sodomizing AIDs afflicted Paki Pigs with thorny cactus, is my reading of the situation

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Nov 2011 09:07

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

How is it halal in an “Islamic Republic”, an “Ideological Muslim State” and a “safe haven” for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent to impose a curfew on days of religious significance to the Mohammadden religion, more particularly a day of religious significance to the minority Shia Mohammadden sect?

Dera to remain under curfew on Ashura

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 27 Nov 2011 09:33

Upendra wrote:
Anindya wrote:Why do we need this? and why does an Indian official have to make a statement about this on Nov 25?

Liberal visa regime for India, Pakistan business travel soon

NEW DELHI: India and Pakistan are expected to liberalise visa rules for business travel soon and a " broad agreement" has been reached between the two countries, a senior government official said on Friday.
Manmohan is a IMF agent, his masters want a southasian union with no borders, common currency and free movement of people and then finally a global one world government. This is his agenda. More people need to be made aware of his real agenda.

"The one-year multiple-entry visa will allow business persons to visit up to 10 cities with no requirement of a police report and no restriction on places of entry and exit," Mehta was quoted as saying.
This free movement of inbred porkis in our cities will lead to more bomb attacks. Residents of these 10 cities are forewarned to oppose these criminal actions of manmohan and force him to reverse this move.

First comes the Ammunition, then the so called non-state actors

Pak businessman arrested with live cartridges

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 27 Nov 2011 09:36

Faux neuj reporting - U.S. Vows Full Probe Into Pakistan Border Incident

Tch tch tch.... Khan is being very naughty here by rubbing more and more mirchi on bloodied TFTA

dada · Post by **dada** » 27 Nov 2011 09:42

#shiv

Indian culture is largely a forgiving culture. It forgets & moves on & on ! .But an objective analysis of
response to the magnanimous treatment towards an adversary like pakis has repeatedly failed again & again. it is clear that Pak is looking for a TEMPORARY ESCAPE ROUTE by pretending to be friendly with India.

Quote : Let them first wind up radical Islam.

r u joking by making this statement ? . I think they are totally incapable & unwilling to do that !
It is now an integral, unseparable & atoot ang of their DNA . If you are referring to the reconstruction of the very foundation of their thought & behaviour, then please note that it is a MULTI-GENERATIONAL Project that would demand consistency in the first place. Such a Change is much more likely to be a steep & discontinuous CHANGE (brought about by a rapid & sudden SHOCK) , not a gradual one.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2011 09:43

Upendra wrote:
Upendra wrote: This free movement of inbred porkis in our cities will lead to more bomb attacks. Residents of these 10 cities are forewarned to oppose these criminal actions of manmohan and force him to reverse this move.
First comes the Ammunition, then the so called non-state actors

Pak businessman arrested with live cartridges

The most irritating thing here can only be illustrated by an analogy. Imagine that I like pigs and I keep pigs inside my house. Every day I go to the local pigsty and get more and more and more pigs into my house. I then employ one servant to clean my house of pigshit. Maybe the servant was doing Ok when I had one pig, maybe two. But when I put 75 pigs in my house the servant will not be able to cope and someone will slip and fall on pigshit. I will then blame my servant for incompetence.

This is what the Indian government is doing. It is allowing more and more and more Pakistanis into India. Sooner or later some of them will show Pakistaniyat and try to show the superiority of the Islamic nation, and there will be a terrorist attack in India. Then the government will blame customs and security agencies for "failure of intelligence".

Exactly whose intelligence is failing?