Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

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Postby RajeshA » 28 Nov 2011 18:03

If it ever comes to that, it will be an interesting fight between the strongest military machine in the world and the paranoid scorpions in GHQ.

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Postby jrjrao » 28 Nov 2011 18:06

Uh oh. The old jalebi madam is having a hissy fit. Shrilleen is aghast that Imran Khan is going soft on the US and India, and she is threatening to pickup her jalebis and go home.

Shireen Mazari may quit PTI
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 595&Cat=13

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Postby CRamS » 28 Nov 2011 18:07

rajanb wrote:
(As learnt from paki double squeak regarding Hafeez and 26/11.) :mrgreen:


And no matter what "proof" TSP offers, US ought to dismiss it as "mere literature" :-) to borrow TSP's own phrase.

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Postby Rangudu » 28 Nov 2011 18:09

jrjrao wrote:Uh oh. The old jalebi madam is having a hissy fit. Shrilleen is aghast that Imran Khan is going soft on the US and India, and she is threatening to pickup her jalebis and go home.

Shireen Mazari may quit PTI
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... 595&Cat=13


Actually she hoped to be the FM candidate but with the forked tongued S.M.Quereshi joining Imran's party last week, Madam Mazari's worth has dropped. Stale jalebis are no fun, hain jee? :twisted:

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Postby CRamS » 28 Nov 2011 18:10

Prem wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15911727
Watch the Video of TFTA lookings attendees at the Funeral.



Why was that bearded Abdul crying so profusely? Was it because he was not as lucky as those in the coffins who are now with their 72, while he is left on mother earth just with his right palm and a few goats?

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Postby Lalmohan » 28 Nov 2011 18:11

the United States and Pakistan are nuclear armed adversaries that have a long history of military involvement and tensions. Cooperation with Pakistan is fundamental to Indian efforts to broker peace in the "war of dossiers". We call upon the United States to exercise restraint and engage in a dialogue process with the leadership in Pakistan. The United States has 500,000 troops stationed in nuclear flashpoint WANA. Pakistan says it is only providing moral and diplomatic support to the people of WANA

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Nov 2011 18:19

CRamS wrote:
Prem wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15911727
Watch the Video of TFTA lookings attendees at the Funeral.



Why was that bearded Abdul crying so profusely? Was it because he was not as lucky as those in the coffins who are now with their 72, while he is left on mother earth just with his right palm and a few goats?


Boss from reports that the remains could not clearly identified (having intereacted with Pakis and thier obsetion with the body in the grave), its possible the TFTA Khakis had thier body parts mixed up. Imagine them going with one man's body and anther man part in the same grave which would be penetrating the 72 :D :lol:

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Postby Suppiah » 28 Nov 2011 18:27

MKB's gems


Exactly what happened in the fateful night of Friday - whether the NATO blundered into a mindless retaliatory (or pre-emptive) act or ventured into a calculated act of high provocation


The third possibility - that is an accident, does not even enter the list of probabilities? Even to be dismissed? Why so desperate?

blood has been drawn and innocence lost


We understand the compulsions Beijing's "friends" are in to protect and pamper their taller mountain friend, but this is taking it a bit too far when it is applied to fanatic barbaric jehadi terrorist animals of Paki army isnt it?

Pakistan is bent on exorcising the region of the military presence of the US and its allies
that suits Beijing very well...that is why its friends are cheering every development in that direction..despite negative effects it has on India. After all what is the death of a few thousand Indians in terror strikes - the rewards are just too good.

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Postby Roperia » 28 Nov 2011 18:59

On a different note, a must read article by MBK on Paki-stan's role in the US strategic calculus

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Postby JE Menon » 28 Nov 2011 19:08

Yup Jalebi is pissed that the smug jackass Qureshi is getting top job at Tehreek e Insaaf... Probably Imran was turned as a result of persistent questioning about Jalebi assface by Karan Thapar on Devil's Advocate ... she is in his party :D

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Postby sum » 28 Nov 2011 19:09

^^ Please do post any good points in that since cant get myself to read MKB anymore...am done with the $%#^ he puts out all the time...

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Postby Roperia » 28 Nov 2011 19:28

sum wrote:^^ Please do post any good points in that since cant get myself to read MKB anymore...am done with the $%#^ he puts out all the time...

Sure sir!

1. Big-power rivalries in the Central Asian region have catapulted Pakistan into a key role in the US's regional strategy more than at any time

2. Unlike the US, China has achieved remarkable success in its energy diplomacy in the Central Asian region. Curiously, China has been an indirect beneficiary of the rivalry between Russia and the US.

3. To the extent that China's inroads into the Central Asian energy scene eroded Russia's dominant presence, US used to regard China as a "silent partner" and the two countries in their energy dialogue during the George W. Bush administration.

4. Last year for the first time, Richard Morningstar, US's envoy on energy security in Eurasia voiced in a senate testimony in Washington the US's sense of disquiet over China's cascading presence in the energy sector in Central Asia and the Caspian. The US is waking up to the reality that China also is a competitor for Big Oil in the Central Asian energy scene

5. On the other hand, Russian interests principally lie in maintaining its hold over the European energy market. So long as the status of the Caspian Sea lies in dispute, the western projects to build pipelines connecting Central Asia with the European market will run into difficulty for the foreseeable future. Russia and Iran would have a common interest in keeping the Caspian Sea issue an unresolved regional problem, which would preclude foreign investments in any trans-Caspian pipeline projects.


6. China's imports of Central Asian energy do not constitute a direct threat to Russian interests - so far, at least.

7. Put differently, Russia and China would even have a convergence of interests in denying the Central Asian energy exports to Europe.

8. Interestingly, Iran has recently applied for SCO membership, while Russia has for the first time openly supported Pakistan's SCO membership.

9. Only pipeline route for evacuating the Central Asian energy resources to the world market happens to be through Afghanistan and Pakistan.

10. US projected the 'Greater Central Asia strategy', which envisaged Afghanistan being a 'hub' connecting Central Asia and South Asia. The US hoped to roll back Russian influence in Central Asia by developing the Silk Road that bypassed Russian territory and connected the region with Karachi.

11. Pakistan's role is going to be crucial for the success of the New Silk Road.

12. sustained efforts by Russia to strengthen ties with Pakistan are principally attributable to the perceived need in Moscow to strengthen Pakistan's strategic autonomy and its capacity to withstand the US pressure to join the New Silk Road.

13. Russia and China suspect that it is a matter of time before the NATO (which is also seeking long-term military presence in the region) deploys the US's missile defence system in Afghanistan

14. Pakistan has concluded that the permanent US military bases in Afghanistan will pose a threat to its security.

15. We in India are stuck in a groove, fixated on old notions regarding Pakistan's Afghan policies. The heart of the matter is that the Pakistan's Afghan policies have evolved and they are nowhere near India-centric anymore.

16. Pakistan can be expected to work closely with Russia and China, in particular, in the Afghan endgame. Expect Pakistan's formal induction into the SCO at the summit next year. Pakistan is eagerly looking forward to the SCO membership for the strategic space it will create for it to withstand US pressure

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby AnantD » 28 Nov 2011 19:37

Posted by CRamS:

Boss, at least US slaughtered TSPA (not sure they were all TFTA though ) in cold blood.


Where do you get the "cold blood" part? They were sleeping (poor babies) and firing mortars and small arms at the ISAF/ANA forces across the border (in their sleep??) and when the Apache came in cleaned up some 8~10 (including a TFTA kaptaan) of them, the Pakis sent in a QRF in a convoy under direct Brigade HQ orders, the fixed wing A-10 sent them to their ugly 72 with its GAU gatling gun.

I don't think this is in cold blood, so why unnecessary villify the US when it is not due.

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Postby shravan » 28 Nov 2011 19:57

Army releases photographs of Mohmand martyrs
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=39492&CID=1

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Postby shiv » 28 Nov 2011 20:07

Singha wrote:how was he captured by India 9 months before war broke out? did his helicopter stray across the BD border into India?

He is a liar.

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Postby Roperia » 28 Nov 2011 20:09

PM Gilani says - You can't win any war without the support of the masses. Such sort of incidents are making people move away from the situation. Business as usual will not be there, we've to have something bigger to satisfy my nation.

Watch the video at Pakistan's prime minister issues a warning to U.S.

Few things that they might seek
1. Paki commando generals may want a greater say in the A'stan's endgame.
2. Military equipment.

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Postby SBajwa » 28 Nov 2011 20:30

Here film songs, swaying grass may mean life or death
Jupinderjit Singh at Chicken Neck Point

The tall elephant grass serves as a natural fencing on the Indo-Pakistan border at the famed Chicken Neck point in Jammu region. The average distance between Indian border outposts on either side of Pakistan ranges between 2 km and 15 km. The Chenab, which flows along the north-west side of the man-made fence that abuts the tall grass, makes the land fertile on both sides of the border.

For the gun-totting uniformed men of the Border Security Force (BSF), who maintain a 24/7 vigil on the border in perhaps the harshest working conditions, ‘sarkanda’, as the elephant grass is known in local parlance, and songs, mainly of Hindi movies, may mean life or death at times.

It means life as the dried up ‘sarkanda‘ sticks held together by ropes make up for walls and roofs of the border outposts, which unlike the concrete blocks of Pakistan, are covered with tin sheets only. The grass keeps them warm as the bone-chilling winter sets in. The grass on the opposite side of the fence can have death lurking around. This grass hides the movement of the Pakistani troops and helps terrorists hide for infiltration bids.

There is not much to cheer about at the border where life is always on the edge. Poor mobile connectivity, wild boars, reptiles, snakes, and above all hostility across the fence make survival the top priority. Yet, the place is abuzz with Hindi movie songs played on radio stations. The BSF’s counterpart - the Pakistan Rangers- appear to enjoy listening to Indian songs too which they play on their loudspeakers. Music clearly knows no barrier.

But death lurks around here also. “We have noticed that there is always some movement, some conspiracy when songs are played on high volume. There is always an attempt to smuggle stuff or to push terrorists in our territory,” revealed a BSF source. “So, while we enjoy songs, we remain alert,” he stressed. The “Pardesi, Pardesi” song of Raja Hindustani is the Pakistan forces’ favourite. The Pakistan farmers on the tractors, however, have a special liking for songs from the film ‘Border’. BSF sources revealed, “We are rather surprised as the movie shows Pakistan forces being humbled yet they play it a lot.”

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Postby Aditya_V » 28 Nov 2011 20:32

Arun Roperia wrote:PM Gilani says - You can't win any war without the support of the masses. Such sort of incidents are making people move away from the situation. Business as usual will not be there, we've to have something bigger to satisfy my nation.

Watch the video at Pakistan's prime minister issues a warning to U.S.

Few things that they might seek
1. Paki commando generals may want a greater say in the A'stan's endgame.
2. Military equipment.


So these Shaheeds were sacrificed to get free military equipment to be used against India.

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Nov 2011 20:38

Arun Roperia wrote: Whether the PA was sleeping or not the fact remains that the posts were some 2.5 kms inside Paki territory. Either the NATO forces were already carrying out an op inside the Paki territory or its worse.


But geo.tv reported that the post was 200-300m from the Border, quoting Major General Athar Abbas.

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=27364

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Nov 2011 20:44

AnantD wrote:Posted by CRamS:

Boss, at least US slaughtered TSPA (not sure they were all TFTA though ) in cold blood.


Where do you get the "cold blood" part? They were sleeping (poor babies) and firing mortars and small arms at the ISAF/ANA forces across the border (in their sleep??) and when the Apache came in cleaned up some 8~10 (including a TFTA kaptaan) of them, the Pakis sent in a QRF in a convoy under direct Brigade HQ orders, the fixed wing A-10 sent them to their ugly 72 with its GAU gatling gun.

I don't think this is in cold blood, so why unnecessary villify the US when it is not due.


Not vilifying, but praising. Weak, gutless, spineless India dare not kill TSPA in cold blood, while strong, white, superpower USA does so. Little monkey India should mimic giant gorilla USA, because there in only one way to be a superpower, and that is to follow American example, etc., etc..

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Postby Roperia » 28 Nov 2011 20:57

A_Gupta wrote:
Arun Roperia wrote: Whether the PA was sleeping or not the fact remains that the posts were some 2.5 kms inside Paki territory. Either the NATO forces were already carrying out an op inside the Paki territory or its worse.


But geo.tv reported that the post was 200-300m from the Border, quoting Major General Athar Abbas.

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=27364


Conflicting stories Gupta ji! Initially the western press was reporting something else - there sole input was the Paki victim narrative!

Sources in the region said up to 14 other soldiers had been wounded in the attack on the Salala checkpoint, about one and a half miles (2.5km) from the Afghan border


Source Nato attack kills Pakistani troops, says country's military

Gen Abbas has lost his senses.

"At this point, NATO and Afghanistan are trying to wriggle out of the situation by offering excuses," he said. "Where are their casualties?"

He is awed by the performance of his Jihadi troops. After all the double gaming, the generals are in shock that the brazen NATO got the better of them in that tactical situation.

The score 24-0 is another huge embarassment for an institution that has always claimed to be the sole protector of the TIRP!

Source: Pakistan: NATO Ignored Pleas During Attack
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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Nov 2011 21:02

Abbas said the two military posts, named "Volcano" and "Golden," were located on a ridge in Mohmand region around 300 yards (meters) from the border with Afghanistan. He said their exact location had been provided to NATO and that the area had recently been cleared of militants.


USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/stor ... 51433742/1

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Postby Roperia » 28 Nov 2011 21:10

A_Gupta wrote:
Abbas said the two military posts, named "Volcano" and "Golden," were located on a ridge in Mohmand region around 300 yards (meters) from the border with Afghanistan. He said their exact location had been provided to NATO and that the area had recently been cleared of militants.


USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/stor ... 51433742/1


Hmm! Well, 300 yards can definitely motivate the Pakistani troops into firing across the border.

The tactical purpose they wanted to achieve could be

1. Divert attention of coalition troops who were engaging Af Taliban.

2. Mortar fire on coalition troops as has been reported in the past.

3. Sheltering Af Taliban who crossed over from A'stan into Pakistan.

4. NATO just went in to celeberate Thanksgiving by killing sleeping Pakis. :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby ranjbe » 28 Nov 2011 21:25

Is Spengler (Goldman) of Asia Times a BRF reader?
Blazing Saddles in Pakistan
By Spengler

In Mel Brooks' 1974 comedy Blazing Saddles, a welcoming committee for a new sheriff turns into a lynch mob when it discovers the man is black. He points his gun at his own temple and says, ''One step closer and the [N-word] gets it!'' The townspeople back off, rather like the American government every time it catches Pakistan supporting the Taliban or other enemies of the United States. Pakistan menaces the United States with the prospect of its own failure


Considering that the United States wants Pakistan to pursue military operations against a largely Pashtun insurgency in Afghanistan, while Pashtuns comprise a fifth of the Pakistan's people, friendship seems an odd choice of words. American policy threatens to tear Pakistan apart, and Islamabad's double-dealing is understandable under the circumstances. The only way to make Pakistan behave is to convince Islamabad that it will be torn apart if it does not accommodate American demands. Absent the threat of encirclement and dismemberment, Pakistan will do everything to avoid exacerbating what already amounts to a low-level civil war. America's strategic objective in the region - eradicating Islamist terrorists - poses an existential threat to the Pakistani state. The only way to force Pakistan to accommodate itself to American objectives is to pose an even worse existential threat.

Pakistan's pursuit of ''strategic depth'' - projecting its influence through support for Islamist groups in Afghanistan, and Kashmir, as well as terror attacks inside India - stems from weakness. As Aymenn Jawad al-Tamimi writes in the Winter 2012 issue of Middle East Quarterly, ''Pakistan itself is an artificial state composed of diverse ethnic groups that are united solely by religious affiliation. Hence, fear of Pashtun and Baloch (Pakistan's largest provinces geographically) desires for autonomy or independence, together with concern about India's influence, also provides a basis for pursuing Pakistani strategic depth. For example, to suppress Baloch nationalism, the Pakistani military and intelligence have engaged in human rights abuses including the arrest and disappearance of some 8,000 Baloch activists in secret prisons.''

That is expensive, but there are other ways to economize. At the same time, America should renounce nation-building in Afghanistan and settle instead for a prolonged, if not perpetual, war of attrition against its enemies. By historical analogy, Washington should handle Afghanistan the way that Cardinal Richelieu dealt with the German Empire during the Thirty Years' War. Rather than fund a corrupt and ineffective Afghan army dominated by Tajiks, the United States should acquire Pashtun capabilities of its own; perhaps it should quietly support Pashtun and Balochi separatists operating inside Pakistan. Among other things, this is cheaper than maintaining an army of occupation. Cutting off aid to the corrupt Karzai government, moreover, will drastically reduce the cost of hiring local armies.

America's misguided attempt to stabilize Afghanistan allows Islamabad to blackmail the United States by threatening to promote instability. If the United States accepts Afghan instability as a permanent condition and uses its in-country capability to wear down its enemies in a standing civil war, it can turn the tables by threatening to export the instability to Pakistan. Pakistan has been truncated before, when it lost Bangladesh. It could happen again

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MK29Df03.html

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Postby ramana » 28 Nov 2011 21:36

Without a stable Afghanistan US position there would become untenable. Spengler doesn't know the local conditions.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby Altair » 28 Nov 2011 21:41

ramana wrote:Without a stable Afghanistan US position there would become untenable. Spengler doesn't know the local conditions.


Is stable Afghanistan even possible as long as Pakistan exists in its current boundaries and army grip on the state?
Since it is not possible then US must use cheaper options na? Support seperatism

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Postby arun » 28 Nov 2011 21:52

ranjbe wrote:Is Spengler (Goldman) of Asia Times a BRF reader?

Blazing Saddles in Pakistan
By Spengler

In Mel Brooks' 1974 comedy Blazing Saddles, a welcoming committee for a new sheriff turns into a lynch mob when it discovers the man is black. He points his gun at his own temple and says, ''One step closer and the [N-word] gets it!'' The townspeople back off, rather like the American government every time it catches Pakistan supporting the Taliban or other enemies of the United States. Pakistan menaces the United States with the prospect of its own failure


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MK29Df03.html


The scene from the movie "Blazing Saddles" refferred to :lol: :

The Blazing Saddle Scene

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Postby ramana » 28 Nov 2011 21:59

Nightwatch says:

Pakistan-US: Comment: The news accounts are reasonably consistent that a NATO helicopter attack killed two dozen or more Pakistani paramilitary forces. The NATO account insists that Pakistani officers cooperated in the attack. Another story says that Afghan officers called in the air attack, which occurred inside Pakistan's Mohmand Agency. Another account says US forces were far into Pakistani national territory.


The Torkham border crossing, near Peshawar in northwestern Pakistan, has been closed to truck traffic to Afghanistan. The border crossing point at Spin Buldak in the south, evidently, remains open. :mrgreen: The Islamabad government has ordered the CIA to vacate a remote air base that is used for drone attacks but supposedly had been ordered to vacate six months ago. :rotfl:


None of that matters much. All of it is for public consumption because the Pakistani civilian government and military leadership are involved in some fashion. This incident will be covered up. None of the stake holders perceive any benefit from making this incident a cause celebre, an international sensation. The logistics supply line for Afghanistan is much less dependent on Pakistani roads than on central Asian railroads. :mrgreen:


On the other hand, Pakistani public hostility for the US will spike. :rotfl:


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby Altair » 28 Nov 2011 22:02

ramana wrote:Nightwatch says:

The logistics supply line for Afghanistan is much less dependent on Pakistani roads than on central Asian railroads. :mrgreen:



Can you please throw some light as to what exactly is the author referring to here?

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Postby arun » 28 Nov 2011 22:05

55%: Pakistan a U.S. enemy

Posted on November 28, 2011 by Larry Register

A majority of Americans do not see Pakistan as a friend to the United States. In a Poll Position national scientific telephone survey we asked, do you consider Pakistan to be a friend or enemy of the United States? An enemy to the U.S. was the choice of 55%, 7% considered Pakistan a friend, 26% did not consider Pakistan a friend or enemy, 12% did not have an opinion…………………………..

Poll Position

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby svinayak » 28 Nov 2011 22:23

7% of Americans still consider Pakistan as a friend. Enemy of the Enemy is considered a friend.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby ramana » 28 Nov 2011 22:32

LA Times:

Pak denies having fired first

Must be takiaya on afterburners. Playing the victim to the hilt!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby Pranav » 28 Nov 2011 22:46

ramana wrote:Without a stable Afghanistan US position there would become untenable. Spengler doesn't know the local conditions.


But the US does not need a big footprint there. They were able to topple the Taliban with just a few dozen pairs of boots on the ground.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby chetak » 28 Nov 2011 22:59

ramana wrote:LA Times:

Pak denies having fired first

Must be takiaya on afterburners. Playing the victim to the hilt!


The pakis just need to convince their own population which is already used to playing the victim!

If not the US, then it's zionists, if not then it's jealous SDRE yindoos.

Its always a conspiracy against the faithfools.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby partha » 28 Nov 2011 23:01

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/28/world/asia/pakistan-us/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
The prime minister also said Pakistan had not yet decided whether to boycott next month's Bonn conference on the future of Afghanistan.


In other words, Pakistan has decided to attend the Bonn conference next month.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby Roperia » 28 Nov 2011 23:02

Altair wrote:Can you please throw some light as to what exactly is the author referring to here?


This conversation might throw some light. In July, John McCain asked the incoming Commander of US Transportation Command, at the latter's Senate confirmation hearing
Senator MCCAIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. General Fraser, to follow up on Chairman Levin’s question about what would happen if Pakistan cut off its supply routes, what percent of our logistics now goes through Pakistan?

General FRASER. Sir, it is my understanding that approximately 35 percent moves through the ground, and the other is moving through the Northern Distribution Network, coupled with also the lift as we bring in supplies by air.

HEARING TO CONSIDER THE NOMINATIONS OF GEN. WILLIAM M. FRASER III, USAF, FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO BE COMMANDER, U.S. TRANSPORTATION COMMAND

Given there used to be a 85% dependence in 2009/2010 (claimed by Bruce Reidel in the Secret Pakistan documentary), this is a huge improvement. According to Reidel, when in 2009/10 Pakistan stopped NATO supplies their rations in A'stan immediately went to half.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby Anujan » 29 Nov 2011 00:09

Serious Questions. TFTAs claim that two officers got their 72, a major (called major mujahid, not making this up!) and a captain! Is it common for officers of such senior rank manning remote outposts? Some reports claim they are SSG. Special forces manning outposts?! Why were there?

Were they doing the usual "provide covering fire and push in yahoos" thing that they do in JK?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Nov 2011 00:16

Two hours to blow up the two Pakistani posts suggests that the Pakis had the NATO troops pinned down; I bet NATO followed protocol and tried to go up thePaki chain of command to get the Pakistanis to desist. Probably were ignored. Then the NATO officer called in air support and had the posts blown up.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 201

Postby chetak » 29 Nov 2011 00:19

Can India and Pakistan make Peace !

Friday, November 25, 2011
Can India and Pakistan make Peace !
By Major (Retired)Agha .H. Amin, Pakistan Army.

Utopians in India are jubilant that Pakistan has made peace with India.

Nothing in reality can be farther from the truth.

The recent sudden angelic desire on part of the Pakistani establishment to make peace with India has nothing to do with any major shift in Pakistan's foreign policy written in the Pakistani military headquarters popularly known as the GHQ.

The Pakistani apparent shift is merely a tactical response to extreme confrontation with the US over perceived US view that Pakistan is playing a double game in Afghanistan.


This is similar to Musharraf's flirtation with India from 2000 to 2007 which in reality was a gambit to prevent a two front war with Afghanistan occupied by the USA and a hostile India in the east.

The real picture of true intentions of the Pakistani military will emerge when the US withdraws from Afghanistan.

This will be the time when the Russians ,Iranians and Indians will have no choice but to support the Northern Alliance against Pakistan sponsored Taliban who regard all Shias, Ismailis,Non-Pashtuns, moderate Pashtuns as infidels who deserve to be massacred.

The Pakistani politicians are a compromised manipulated lot who are under firm control of the Pakistani military thanks to the politicians own massive financial corruption. They will do what the Pakistani generals tell them whether it is the PPP, PML or any new party like Imran Khan's Tehrik i Insaaf.

Pakistan will remain the same state run by an army rather than a state with an army. The Pakistani generals will control Pakistan's politics and foreign policy and Pakistan India relations will remain a mix of an uneasy and an unpredictable peace.

Pakistan will remain embroiled in an ever continuous civil unrest. Baloch will be gunned down by the Pakistani military while Pakistan's politicians will remain the puppets of the military that they have been since 1977.

Terrorism will remain a tool of foreign policy while the Pakistani military runs the Pakistani state under a facade of PPP or PML or Tehrik i Insaaf.

By that time Pakistani military will be hoping to achieve all its objectives--
1. An extremist dominated Afghanistan.
2. A Balochistan fully fragmented and crushed.
3. A Pakistani political party leading Pakistan fully subservient to the Pakistani military.
4. A renewed infiltration in Kashmir.
5. A brinkman's nuclear policy with India .
6. A greater Chinese vassal with far greater Chinese interests in Pakistan.

There is no doubt that Pakistan will be a semi autonomous Chinese province by 2030 or so. :mrgreen: Its relations with India will be run on two basis; Pakistani military retaining its nuisance value based on the much trumped and misused Indian threat and secondly Pakistan as a Chinese pawn acting as Chinas western bastion in West Asia. Pakistani Balochistan by 2030 would be a completely Chinese run show while Pakistan's military and corrupt politicians will control Pakistan's corrupt par excellence economy.

Xooxs like Man Mohan Singh will remain dupes that they always were. The region will remain unstable because instability is custom made to suit the Pakistani elite both military and civilian.

India's budding middle class wants to make peace with the Pakistani establishment because they want to have a good time.

Manmohan Singh is a cheap social climber with no strategic vision.This means that the common man in both India and Pakistan will both come to grief.

Pashtuns and Baloch will remain pawns of Pakistani establishment with Baloch regarded as Red Indians and Pashtuns regarded as good cannon fodder to be launched like fools in the name of Islam. Pakistan's economy will remain centred to serve the good of Pakistan elite and prosperity will remain confined to the triangle Pindi- Multan- Lahore and Karachi-Hyderabad.

The Pakistani Supreme Court will remain an arm of the Pakistani elite who turns a blind eye when any one challenges Pakistani military in the courts.

Pakistan shall remain a mirage which serves a 5 % elite and the region will remain unstable and a hostage to nuclear brinkmanship.

Pakistan's pensioners will die like stray dogs ! Pakistan's youth will be gunned down by the corrupt Pakistani police for money ! Pakistani intelligence will continue the kill and dump policy all over Pakistan and specially in Balochistan !

This is not about Islam ! This is not about Pakistan ! This is all about a 5 or 10 % establishment that has controlled Pakistan since 1948.

All that this elite wants is to preserve their unfair advantage ! These are the new Banias, the new Muslim Banias of Pakistan !

In 1947 Muslims of Pakistan got rid of Hindu Banias but the idea of the Muslim elite was that the Muslim masses need to be buxxered not by the Hindu Banias but by Muslim Banias from Gujerat, Chiniot,Khotian (later Saigalabad) and the elite feudals who had joined the Muslim League by the 1946 elections.

Third rate Pakistani lower middle class young men will continue to pass the CSS exam and join Police, FBR and DMG to become billionaires with houses in posh DHA Karachi or Lahore within ten years of passing the CSS exam !

Pakistan does not have hawks with aristocratic backgrounds like ZA Bhutto nor visionary generals ! It is run by carpetbaggers, robber industrial barons, arch intriguer feudals and generals who are NCOs sons and are just simply ambitious !

This means that Pakistan's political economy of exporting terrorism as a foreign policy tool, massive corruption at home and the resultant ever growing reservoir of economically deprived youngsters who will fill ranks of extremists and suicide bombers will continue.

We salute the age of West Asian strategic anarchy !

I am posting this blunt assessment received from a Pakistani friend , a well known and independent strategic analyst –Amb (Retd) K.Gajendra Singh 25 November, 2011
Posted by Amb. (Retd.) K. Gajendra Singh at 8:31 AM

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Postby Prem » 29 Nov 2011 00:20

RajeshA wrote:If it ever comes to that, it will be an interesting fight between the strongest military machine in the world and the paranoid scorpions in GHQ.


To me it look like NATO/ US/ ISAF/ Afghan forces have taken the initiative to probe Gaaa..u Hijra Quom's reaction. Military Mind here should prepare the model and study the next move on the escalation ladder .


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