Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 06:36

Pakistan: Nuclear Road Rage
Posted by MARK THOMPSON Friday, November 4, 2011 at 9:00 am
New Pakistani traffic sign?

Fascinating peek inside the latest Atlantic (in a cover story shared with sister pub National Journal) on the perilous security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Payoff grafs:

…instead of moving nuclear material in armored, well-defended convoys, the [Pakistani government] prefers to move material by subterfuge, in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic…according to a senior U.S. intelligence official, the Pakistanis have begun using this low-security method to transfer not merely the “de-mated” component nuclear parts but “mated” nuclear weapons. Western nuclear experts have feared that Pakistan is building small, “tactical” nuclear weapons for quick deployment on the battlefield. In fact, not only is Pakistan building these devices, it is also now moving them over roads.

What this means, in essence, is this: In a country that is home to the harshest variants of Muslim fundamentalism, and to the headquarters of the organizations that espouse these extremist ideologies…nuclear bombs capable of destroying entire cities are transported in delivery vans on congested and dangerous roads. And Pakistani and American sources say that since the raid on Abbottabad, the Pakistanis have provoked anxiety inside the Pentagon by increasing the pace of these movements. In other words, the Pakistani government is willing to make its nuclear weapons more vulnerable to theft by jihadists simply to hide them from the United States, the country that funds much of its military budget.

And you think your commute is dangerous…

Read more: http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/1 ... z1cmxbj8rW

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 06:39

Report: America's Pakistan Problem Is Worse Than You Think

Are the Pakistanis just crazy-ass paranoid? Perhaps not: For years now, as Goldberg and Ambinder report, Delta Force, Seal Team Six, and Joint Special Operations Command operatives have been refining a plan to secure and "render safe" any live nuclear weapons in Pakistan.

As for recent claims by Mike Mullen, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the "Haqqani network acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency":

A 2008 National Intelligence Estimate concluded that the ISI was providing "intelligence and financial support to insurgent groups—especially the Jalaluddin Haqqani network out of Miram Shah, North Waziristan—to conduct attacks against Afghan government, [International Security Assistance Force], and Indian targets." By late 2006, according to the intelligence historian Matthew Aid…the U.S. had reliable intelligence indicating that Jalaluddin Haqqani and another pro-Taliban Afghan warlord, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, were being given financial assistance by the ISI (which of course receives substantial financial assistance from the United States).

Goldberg and Ambinder also report that Mullen was particularly aggrieved by reports that the Pakistani government was involved in the murder of journalist Saleem Shahzad:

Sources we spoke with say the order was passed directly to General Pasha, the head of the ISI. According to one of the sources, an official with knowledge of the intelligence, Pasha was told to "deal with it" and "take care of the problem." According to this source, Mullen was horrified that his Pakistani interlocutors of many years had been involved in orchestrating the killing of a journalist. "It struck a visceral chord with him,” the source told The Atlantic, recalling that Mullen had slammed his desk and said, "This is old school."

The story concludes noting that the US must maintain its dysfunctional relationship with Pakistan to prevent it from going to war against India, to keep tabs on its nuclear arsenal, and because the country is barely holding itself together. There's nothing particularly groundbreaking about that grim conclusion. What is shocking: The depths to which Pakistan perceives the US as a threat, and the extreme lengths it has taken to secure its interests, both nuclear and otherwise. Read the entire thing.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 06:41

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/04/142010910 ... -from-hell

November 4, 2011
A story in The Atlantic uncovers new information about the alliance between the United States and Pakistan, including a move by Pakistan to disperse its nuclear weapons in civilian vehicles after the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden. Host Steve Inskeep speaks to the author, Jeffrey Goldberg, about what's been discovered.

Listen to the Story

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 06:43

Pakistan needs a good leader, says Dr AQ Khan

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 06:44

Gen Kayani, ISI chief among 70 world’s most powerful people

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Nov 2011 06:51

Acharya wrote:http://www.npr.org/2011/11/04/142010910 ... -from-hell

Boss, be respectful of fellow posters. jjraoJi posted this several posts back.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 06:58

Awesome news: Pakistan ramping up production of nukes

Awesome news: Pakistan ramping up production of nukes

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Makes sense. What better way for a country that’s dangerously unstable and beset by radicals to spend its money during a global recession than by saturating itself with doomsday weapons? I only hope they saved a little for the smallpox program.

This is like a police hostage situation. Pakistan’s the desperate nut with a bomb who’s threatening to set it off and kill everyone around him and we’re the negotiator who has to talk him down somehow. We can’t make a move on him for fear that he’ll explode and we can’t walk away for the same reason. We’re at his mercy.

Members of Congress have been told in confidential briefings that Pakistan is rapidly adding to its nuclear arsenal even while racked by insurgency, raising questions on Capitol Hill about whether billions of dollars in proposed military aid might be diverted to Pakistan’s nuclear program…

The administration’s effort is complicated by the fact that Pakistan is producing an unknown amount of new bomb-grade uranium and, once a series of new reactors is completed, bomb-grade plutonium for a new generation of weapons. President Obama has called for passage of a treaty that would stop all nations from producing more fissile material — the hardest part of making a nuclear weapon — but so far has said nothing in public about Pakistan’s activities.

Bruce Riedel, the Brookings Institution scholar who served as the co-author of Mr. Obama’s review of Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy, reflected the administration’s concern in a recent interview, saying that Pakistan “has more terrorists per square mile than anyplace else on earth, and it has a nuclear weapons program that is growing faster than anyplace else on earth.”…

But the billions in new proposed American aid, officials acknowledge, could free other money for Pakistan’s nuclear infrastructure, at a time when Pakistani officials have expressed concern that their nuclear program is facing a budget crunch for the first time, worsened by the global economic downturn. The program employs tens of thousands of Pakistanis, including about 2,000 believed to possess “critical knowledge” about how to produce a weapon.

Indian media’s already picked up the story, which means public pressure on their government to confront The One about U.S. “aid” to the enemy will be spiking. It’s actually fitting that this news is breaking on a day when Obama’s meeting Netanyahu to whine about a Palestinian state, since it underscores how effective Arafat was in making his pet cause top priority for international peacemaking. In a sane world, the top priority would be forging a final settlement of Kashmir and lasting peace between India and Pakistan so that Islamabad could ease off the nuclear accelerator and focus properly on dealing with the Taliban. Instead, we’re jerking around with Israel about manufacturing a state for a people that aren’t ready for it and probably don’t even want it. Exit question: Who are these new nukes aimed at, anyway? The obvious answer is India, especially post-Mumbai with tensions peaking again, but I’m not so sure. The more dangerous Pakistan is, the more America has to equivocate between it and India and the more aid we have to provide to try to keep the country stable. They may be literally aimed at India, but isn’t the point of building them aimed at us? And to think — your tax dollars are paying for them.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 07:01

Great news: Pakistani intel driving around in lightly defended vehicles in traffic with nuclear weapons

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Nov 2011 07:05

Acharya wrote:Great news: Pakistani intel driving around in lightly defended vehicles in traffic with nuclear weapons

Per intel agencies, there are plans to denuke the remaining nukes of Pakistan after US has take away initial 80+ nukes last year.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 05 Nov 2011 07:20

from Government report

Pakistan is the firefighter, the arsonist and the vendor of a variety of propellants.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 05 Nov 2011 07:33

Think that should be accelerants.

Why is oosa scaring poor little Pakistan? Of course a corollary of denuclearising Pakistan is the wholesale slaughter of anyone with more .than a passing interest in fields like calculation, looking at the periodic table, taking apart old radios....

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Nov 2011 07:37

edited

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2011 07:41

Prem, Thats not allowed. Its downright stereotyping and offensive. Please edit it.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 07:42

Peshawar, northwest Pakistan, February 8, 2011: Set ablaze by roadside bombs, oil trucks bearing fuel for NATO forces burn, as bystanders react. (Fayaz Aziz/Reuters)

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 07:47

“There are three threats,” says Graham Allison, an expert on nuclear weapons who directs the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard.

The first is “a terrorist theft of a nuclear weapon, which they take to Mumbai or New York for a nuclear 9/11.

The second is a transfer of a nuclear weapon to a state like Iran.

The third is a takeover of nuclear weapons by a militant group during a period of instability or splintering of the state.”

Whys is India used as an example when US is mentioned.

But the media campaign is high pitch to make sure Pak and PRC dont start something

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 05 Nov 2011 07:49

Poaks have no way of hitting anyone other than us. If those van based nukes are anywhere close to being true, then the Backpacki could be too. Which means irrespective of who hits poakistan, they'll send a few nukes our way. Thats for sure.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Nov 2011 07:53

Gulf News reports that the Indraprashtha Apollo Hospital in New Delhi completes the 200th Liver Transplant for a medical tourist from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistan liver transplant boy's mother thanks India

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 05 Nov 2011 07:57

Ah, the news wires are burning up with accelerants provided (gratis) by the paki. The paki, self loving and swimming in an ocean of delusions, loves all this. So, I was forced to take a step back (Isite isn’t what it used to be), to use my more than jaundiced eyes on this - oh so comical - situation. First off, I do believe that this whole dark comedy is being choreographed in Washington. BR asserts that he informed Ombaba of the paki's double cross shortly before Ombaba's inaugural. So the cards have been on the table a long time - heck the parrot that picked them out is probably dead by now, seeing that it delivered such awful cards. A part of this dirty dancing is, no doubt, turf war between State, Pentagon, and the spooks. Objectives of all operations by US/NATO in Afpak have changed little - first, secure their own forces, and to the extent possible, Afghan forces; second (dictated by the first) eliminate the bouquet of terrorist groups that the paki keeps throwing at them; third, track and monitor, as closely as possible, the paki's nuclear assets. Beyond that, every thing sort of runs together on the to-do list. Thing is, after more than two years of letting the paki believe that it was so incredibly clever, the folks in DC have decided to end this charade. Q one - Why? and why now? This, imo, is important. The answer is partly political (American election politics). Clearly, such a disclosure at this time throws more dung on Ombaba's track record in office [dumb bunny didn’t even know... et cetera]. Why would he do that? Well, given his less than scintillating chances at re election, clearly this just provides him with a handy foreign policy issue to "handle decisively". It can be kept simmering on the back burner until such time Ombaba "acts decisively" with a judicious mix of heat and light, to steal the lime light, sound and light show of the republicans. Everyone in America will concede that this man may or may not be much of a president, or even a cheap imitation of one, but that this Ombaba is by far the best campaigner that anyone has seen in living memory. So, the paki's shameful acts are a campaign tool to be used at great effect. [Ombaba "acts decisively" to destroy the paki's nukes when enroute to NY, DC, LA, et cetera]. Footage of electrifying sp forces doing magnificent sp ops, et cetera. And suddenly, Ombaba is the nation's savior. The bush only talked about making America safe, but heck, this guy has actually done it. Who knows, the paki may have a starring villain’s role in this production - but I digress, and it is unlikely, given the paki's continued attack of hiccoughs ever since the bin Ladin episode of this "make America safe" movie. So that is one reason why Ombaba has chosen to bring out these facts re - the paki - at this time. The second may well be that in keeping with the paki's quantum level uncertain existence, some decisions relating to ramping up direct hostilities against the paki have been taken, so now the cat is dead for sure [as Schrödinger’s cat becomes the paki here] - or maybe it was Bohr's pig this time, as the transmutation to the paki would be almost effortless. So, given the lead time for initiating serious hostilities (getting the peasants ready, in DC parlance), now is the time to bring this out. Again, the impact on Ombaba's re election efforts and chances cannot be minimized. Third, the decision may well be one directed towards Iran, but the need for the paki to play an excellent part in the production this black mail effort and persuasion has to also begin now, and it has started. Fourth, given that as long as the paki continues to be the very painful "kabab ki haddi", a spoil sport who alone, single handedly, put plans for trade/commerce among regional States on hold; Now is when it works out best for China, Russia, India et al to cooperate with US/NATO to obliterate the paki and their "haddi". Now shi ji's answer is simply Ocam's razor - if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck ... et cetera, then, it is a duck. Look not for convoluted explanations for the paki having the US by its short & curlys. But shiv ji will admit that straight forward explanations have a poor record when dealing with geo politics, or any other form of politics, so one is forced to become convoluted as well. Besides, "what ever I know, I read in the newspapers". Given that data base, one is likely to be left with more questions than answers. It is not out of any sense of rah rah rah, star bangled spanner & so on, am I looking for alternate explanations. It is because those explanation(s) might impact a very large number of people for a very large period of time.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 07:59

A subtle way to denigrate Pakistan

India, however, continues to raise the bogey of threat from, what it called, Pakistan-China nexus. In July 2010, the Defence Ministry in its annual report stated its concerns over Beijing’s possible use of Jammu and Kashmir to increase its connectivity with Pakistan. “The possibility of (China) enhancing connectivity with Pakistan through the territory of Jammu and Kashmir will have direct military implications for India,” the report said.

Subsequently, the issue was put on the backburner till 2009, but it again cropped up in 2010, and with a view to appeasing the US, Indian government has unleashed propaganda about Pakistan-China nexus.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 08:01

Khan Goes to China -- Unusual Invitation for Man Who Has Never Been in Government

PRC gets the signal when and which person or group is ready to be next in the leadership. It happens the same way for India too.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 08:05

Gas pipe deal for India, Pakistan imminent - Turkmen minister

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Nov 2011 08:06

Stephen Cohen's "The Future of Pakistan": First Chapter

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 08:08

How The CIA Uses Social Media to Track How People Feel

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Nov 2011 08:10

An interesting quote from the second of that BBC serial (from Bruce Reidel I think) was that in 2009, in response to something the Pakistanis stopped all movement of supplies to NATO in Afghanistan. At that time 85% of all that NATO and the US drank, ate or fired were coming through Pakistan and they had to literally shift on to "half rations overnight"

You see, if you place your newlywed wife in a hostel full of horny male bachelors and decide to visit her once every few days, you are better off not calling those bachelors your best allies and giving them money. When stated as a joke this seems quite obvious. But the US actually did that. There are only two explanations. One is that the US is stupid and the second is that the Pakistanis are far more clever than the US.

Just pause the following video at 2 seconds and see those Pakistani soldiers. this is a country that could not afford to give its soldiers uniforms. Those men in the video could be mistaken for US troops. They are, of course wearing BPJs. Yeah I know, uniforms are not expensive - but the US has helped do a complete makeover of the Pakistani armed forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6weRBmqJw

If recent reports from the US suggest that the US now wants to "break the news about Pakistan's perfidy" to te US public, it is only being done so that they are not held accountable for negligence. Never mind India. If the US takes a hit from a Pakistani nuke, it is American leaders who need to be held partly accountable for that - for calling Pakistan an "ally" and funding it despite knowing that they are double dealing.

And about that business of moving nukes around with little security, what exactly is the big deal? Anyone with half a brain would realise that a container carrying a nuke would be unrecognizable unless you draw attention to it by carrying it in a military truck with huge "Danger" signs painted on it. It's not as though you can place a nuclear bomb on a table and it would instantly get up and start dancing and singing and saying "Hey I'm a nuke, I'm a nuke, I'm a nuke". It's only the people who believed that the US could somehow "take out" Pakistani nukes who were fooling themselves in yet another manifestation of rahrah.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Nov 2011 08:12

US slips on promised civilian aid to Pakistan

FOXNEWS U.S. Pledges Financial Aid for Pakistan

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2011 08:13

Acharya wrote:“There are three threats,” says Graham Allison, an expert on nuclear weapons who directs the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard.

The first is “a terrorist theft of a nuclear weapon, which they take to Mumbai or New York for a nuclear 9/11.

The second is a transfer of a nuclear weapon to a state like Iran.

The third is a takeover of nuclear weapons by a militant group during a period of instability or splintering of the state.”

Whys is India used as an example when US is mentioned.

But the media campaign is high pitch to make sure Pak and PRC dont start something

There is a dance of seven veils between TSP and US an they use India as whipping boy. Operation Parakram was a clear message for both to keep the dance to themselves and not indulge in gratuitous violence in India. IOW no JDAM in India. Will get PRC too.

The most interesting thing is the TSP is signalling the US dont repeat the Abortabad or you will have loose nukes with jihadis.

Allison understands and is throwing Mumbai for free. Recall the old 1992 Seymour Hersh New Yorker article where a US general was suggesting that TSP should attack BARC two for one!

Its still the same thing.

Now we have some thing better than even Cold Start.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Nov 2011 08:21

parsuram wrote:Q one - Why? and why now? This, imo, is important. The answer is partly political (American election politics). Clearly, such a disclosure at this time throws more dung on Ombaba's track record in office [dumb bunny didn’t even know... et cetera]. Why would he do that? Well, given his less than scintillating chances at re election, clearly this just provides him with a handy foreign policy issue to "handle decisively". It can be kept simmering on the back burner until such time Ombaba "acts decisively" with a judicious mix of heat and light, to steal the lime light, sound and light show of the republicans. Everyone in America will concede that this man may or may not be much of a president, or even a cheap imitation of one, but that this Ombaba is by far the best campaigner that anyone has seen in living memory. So, the paki's shameful acts are a campaign tool to be used at great effect. [Ombaba "acts decisively" to destroy the paki's nukes when enroute to NY, DC, LA, et cetera]. Footage of electrifying sp forces

Parsuram, while I don't know enough about US politics, I know enough about politicians to tell this same story a little differently. The part I find difficult to believe is:

Ombaba "acts decisively" with a judicious mix of heat and light, to steal the lime light...to destroy the paki's nukes when enroute to NY, DC, LA, et cetera]. Footage of electrifying sp forces

No. That need not even happen. That is the best part about politics.

The news about America's situation may be much worse, and very very conveniently for the Democrats, the Republicans under Dubya have been at the heart of funding Pakistan's recent cockiness. All that Ombaba may need to do is gradually increase the information about how much of a mess America is in and how he is going to take action like never before. If he is re elected. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain. No need for light. Sound is enough.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2011 08:30

Prem wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 73836.html
U.S. Tightens Drone Rules
The State Department won greater sway in strike decisions; Pakistani leaders got advance notice about more operations; and the CIA agreed to suspend operations when Pakistani officials visit the U.S

Wasn't there a mention in the BBC Documentary of how similar 'advance notices' allowed the targets to escape ? The Americans are either absolutely clueless about how to handle Pakistani perfidy or have Pakistani sympathizers within their organizations.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Nov 2011 08:42

abhishek_sharma wrote:Stephen Cohen's "The Future of Pakistan": First Chapter

Pakistan was originally
intended by its great leader, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, to transform the lives of
British Indian Muslims by providing them a homeland sheltered from Hindu
oppression.

I have objected to Cohen's subtle attitude in the past. It appears again here. My earlier objection appeared in a BRM/SRR article:
An attack on Pakistan is an Attack on Islam

Pakistan watcher and recognized friend of Pakistan , Stephen Cohen, chose to describe Pakistan as follows: “ Pakistan was to be an extraordinary state--a homeland for Indian Muslims and an ideological and political leader of the Islamic world. Providing a homeland to protect Muslims--a minority community in British India--from the bigotry and intolerance of India's Hindu majority was important”[vii]

“Bigotry and intolerance” of hundreds of millions of Hindus, who had been under Muslim or British rule for several centuries, is mentioned casually as a truism ..

Cohen does not need to qualify his statement about "Hindu bigotry or oppression" with words like "perceived oppression". The oppression is true as far as he is concerned. This may seem like a minor point but it indicates how "the Hindoo" and India have generally been portrayed.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Nov 2011 09:09

SSridhar wrote:
Prem wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 73836.html
U.S. Tightens Drone Rules
Wasn't there a mention in the BBC Documentary of how similar 'advance notices' allowed the targets to escape ? The Americans are either absolutely clueless about how to handle Pakistani perfidy or have Pakistani sympathizers within their organizations.

Yes, indeed there was.

Bruce Reidel was quoted as saying the "At the beginning of the drone operations, we gave Pakistan an advance tip-off of where we were going, and every single time the target wasn't there anymore. You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to put the dots together." in the BBC documentary series Secret Pakistan (BBC)

Not being a citizen of a “Super Power” can someone please explain to me how rather than sheer stupidity, sharing details of proposed drone strikes now with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is sublimely emulation worthy behaviour only Super Power's comprehend

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 05 Nov 2011 09:14

ramana ji: sat sri akal.

Interesting post. The paki is entirely an opportunistic beast. There is no long term strategy, only goals, which are generally absurd, and any or all tactics are acceptable to them. The US, whether due to confusion and indecision, or due to some convoluted set of goals which are quite unrealistic, so it has been equally obtuse. Yet, imo, Indoia's course is crystal clear. It should pay attention to its own environment. An excellent decision by India was to build the Chahbahar-Afghanistan rail link. It puts pressure on the US, cheen, and the paki. At the same time, though, some track two with the cheenis is desirable. Their exagerated hubris needs a reality check. Perhaps a series of nuke capable missile tests are in order. Launch and track to ordinates in the south chinee sagar would send a sobering message, while on track 2 India needs to emphasize cooperation to ensure an orderly geo political environment. Point out to them that between the two of them, they can stabilize and secure Asia, or conversely, create the most insecure environment for development and growth. A Bharat-cheeni face off is only going to benefit the washington-Angrez combine. The paki's legendary slavish subservience to this combine is well established, demonstratable in history, and ongoing. If India can work out even a very limited "grand alliance", under which India accepts a fuel pipeline coming through cheen to India, circumventing both the paki and the Iranis, at the same time continuing to develop Chahbahar port/link to landlocked Afghanistan, it will put India in the drivers' seat on a limited driving track which brings energy to India via two indipendant routes. Just to show that both the paki and the US can be excluded, and, moreover, it puts India (along with the cheenis) in a position to consume all the hydrocarbon resources of central asia with nothing left over for the west. I am sure such a position will provide enough leverage to get the paki tied up in many more ways than is needed by India. It is worth a try, any way.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 05 Nov 2011 09:23

CRamS wrote:Boss, be respectful of fellow posters. jjraoJi posted this several posts back.

He is trying to get to 10K.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2011 09:33

What India needs is agreement with PRC to keep out Anglo Saxons out of Central Asia for atleast two hundred years. Need that much time to undo the mess that the Great Game has unleashed there. For this India needs to assure PRC it wont unleash any new wave of re-education.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Nov 2011 09:45

parsuramji, My revised one liner is:

Its Paki blackmail to US not to repeat Abortabad raid lest the jihadis get the loose nukes. Its their deterrent against US.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Nov 2011 10:00

ramana wrote:What India needs is agreement with PRC to keep out Anglo Saxons out of Central Asia for atleast two hundred years. . . For this India needs to assure PRC it wont unleash any new wave of re-education.

It is high time that India and PRC have an in-depth, strategic meeting in a way similar to the 18 sessions between Jaswant Singh and Strobe Talbott that made the latter appreciate "Indian attitudes, sensitivities, resentments, and insecurities" (as he put it). The current level of meetings are tactical but they are not enough.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 05 Nov 2011 10:02

shiv ji:

this man cohne is similar to some variety of cadaverous slime whome I had the misfortune to see in action at a "peace" conference. he is a type of yahoodi who take upon themselves the job of standard bearars for monotheism. Therefore their extreme dislike for Hinduism and its daughter theologies. After he had held forth on the need for Kashmir to go to the paki, I said to him after the formal meeting that what he proposed was more applicable to Jerusalam, particularly since the inhabitants were his co religionists with one god. He had nothing to say to me.

regarding your earlier point on US politics, I will just say that those are so heavily into TV production, AV technology etc., that I assure you that were Ombaba to come through with some special ops aimed at neutralizing nukes of the paki, he could well gain 10 points instantly, and some of that would stick with him.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 05 Nov 2011 10:11

ramana wrote:parsuramji, My revised one liner is:

Its Paki blackmail to US not to repeat Abortabad raid lest the jihadis get the loose nukes. Its their deterrent against US.

ramana ji: The US is a champion brinkmanship gold medal winner time and again. Recall Cuban missile crisis, with US setting up a cuba quarentine on the high seas. Their first response to the paki will turn the paki's pants wet and a sick brown-yellow in color. When it comes to directly threatening the US homeland, the US will pull out all the stops.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Nov 2011 10:46

PRC must understand that there cant be any Asian century if they keep their relation with Poakstan at current level. If No Asian century then no Chinese era either. They will have to decide soon as window for them is closing fast. There are signs out there about Chinese getting fed up with Poakers as their hands keep getting dirty with Paki mess.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 05 Nov 2011 10:59

Prem wrote:PRC must understand that there cant be any Asian century if they keep their relation with Poakstan at current level. If No Asian century then no Chinese era either. They will have to decide soon as window for them is closing fast. There are signs out there about Chinese getting fed up with Poakers as their hands keep getting dirty with Paki mess.

PRC has doubts that India is independent - if we get rid of Mainos and EVMs then there could be some progress.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 05 Nov 2011 11:08

Acharya wrote:
abhijitm wrote:
Time has changed. The US needs India now, economically and politically. Today China is rising and flexing its muscles, Iran is an outlaw (from their perspective), Russian phoenix is emerging, pakistan is clearly a lost ally, other countries don't count that much.

IMO they desperately need a strong friend in this region.
THey want a different India now one which is more westernized. They have been investing in the media for the last 20 years and also into education and other things. They want to expand their influence inside India taking advantage of this situation
Indians are not fools or stupid. India has to take care of its interest only.

India too need a strong friend in this region. We don't have capability and political will to take the game alone on our own. You are right, we are not fools or stupid, hence it should be a trade off, strategic alliance, whatever you call, between the US and India.

There are systematic efforts going on by LeT to radicalize fractions of Indian muslims. Even a few thousands out of 150 million can cause severe problem within India in coming decade. So far we have no clue (to the individual level) over who are the perpetrators of recent terror attacks. In coming years we will observe more terror attacks and less traces back to pakistan. Situation is worrying.

This is our condition of problem handling within our country. Now comes the regional games.

As long as US is keeping pakistan busy in Afghanistan we have less worry on that front. But when they leave or reduced to nothing then the land will become out of control. In recent history Afghanistan had and have India friendly government as long as other superpower was/is supporting it. We on our own cannot maintain India friendly power in Afghanistan.

China's continuous presence in POK is a worry. We can do nothing about it and China won't budge anyway. We need to be prepared for some kind of eventuality over there. Plus our eastern border is slowly heating up.

Pakistan will be an existential threat to India as long as it exists. Whether it is a strong state or falling state, doesn't matter.

We need a friend here.