Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

Postby Gerard » 07 Dec 2011 04:45

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The following links are background articles on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:


Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://sdpi.org/sdpi-old/whats_new/repo ... tBooks.pdf

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf

Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)


MISCELLANEOUS

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup
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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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A Venn diagram, by Shiv, to illustrate the commonality and difference between "bad Taliban" and Jinnah's Pakistan.


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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.

Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby partha » 07 Dec 2011 04:59

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bopanna-dumps-qureshi-for-bhupathi/1/162095.html

Bopanna dumps Qureshi for Bhupathi, former Pak partner 'shocked'

One more proof that Yindoos have small heart.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby partha » 07 Dec 2011 05:02

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/12/06/president_zardari_suddenly_leaves_pakistan_is_he_on_the_way_out

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari left Pakistan suddenly on Tuesday, complaining of heart pains, and is now in Dubai. His planned testimony before a joint session of Pakistan's parliament on the Memogate scandal is now postponed indefinitely.


Ijaz has repeatedly accused Haqqani of being behind the memo, and Ijaz claims that Haqqani was working with Zardari's implicit support.

Early on Tuesday morning, Zardari's spokesman revealed that the president had traveled to Dubai to see his children and undergo medical tests linked to a previously diagnosed "cardiovascular condition."

A former U.S. government official told The Cable today that when President Barack Obama spoke with Zardari over the weekend regarding NATO's killing of the 24 Pakistani soldiers, Zardari was "incoherent." The Pakistani president had been feeling increased pressure over the Memogate scandal. "The noose was getting tighter -- it was only a matter of time," the former official said, expressing the growing expectation inside the U.S. government that Zardari may be on the way out.


"Unfortunately, it means that the military may have had to use its muscle to effect change yet again," said Nawaz. "Now if they stay at arm's length and let the party take care of its business, then things may improve. If not, then this is a silent coup with [Pakistani prime minister Yousaf Raza] Gilani as the front man."


Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, the chairman of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP), is in Pakistan now.


More confirmation that Mansoor Ijaz could be GHQ's agent who was used to mount a silent coup. AoA!

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Postby Rahul Shukla » 07 Dec 2011 06:03

U.S. defies Pakistan blocade, rerouts Afghan war supplies (Salt Lake City Tribune)

The U.S. military is working around a Pakistani government border blockade by shipping small amounts of some supplies for the Afghan war through alternate countries, U.S. defense officials said Tuesday.
One official said selected items in very small amounts have been shifted to "other means of delivery" in the last few days. The official declined to be more specific.
The rerouted supplies, like all that go through Pakistan, are non-lethal items.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby saip » 07 Dec 2011 06:08

Who is this Claude Ratshit and how much money did he get to write this drivel?

Pakistan should have its share too

Link

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Postby Rahul Shukla » 07 Dec 2011 06:12

Key US senators urge review of Pakistan funding (AFP)

WASHINGTON — The United States must "fully review" its ties with Pakistan and consider cuts or new restrictions to military and economic aid, Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham urged.
McCain serves as the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, while Graham is a member of that panel and is the top Republican on the committee that allocates US foreign aid.
"The United States has been incredibly patient with Pakistan. And we have been so despite certain undeniable and deeply disturbing facts," they said. "The time has come for the United States to fully review its relations with Pakistan. We must assess the nature and levels of our support."

"All options regarding US security and economic assistance to Pakistan must be on the table, including substantial reductions and stricter standards for performance," they said.
"US policy toward Pakistan must proceed from the realistic understanding that certain actions of Pakistan's military are contributing to the death and injury of our men and women in the military and jeopardizing our national security interests," said the senators.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 07 Dec 2011 06:43

Fai copping a plea. Will likely get lenient sentencing.

Accused Pakistani agent scheduled to enter plea

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ManuT » 07 Dec 2011 07:03

from previous TDP thread
Nihat wrote:Had we not dismembered TSP into two , then East India would be a very disturbed place.


Dear Nihat
It is not just a matter of not speculation.

As you might know, MNF Chief Laldenga who later signed a pact (in the 80s) came overground, disarmed his outfit and was elected CM of Mizoram. His reason in entering negotiations was specific: loss of bases in East Pakistan after the creation of BD.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby svinayak » 07 Dec 2011 07:53

^^^^ From article above link
both
Finally your notion that Pak
Finally your notion that Pak has no strategic value and especially you need to couch that in terms of India have far greater value speaks to your own views of a zero sum game as it relates to India vs Pak. I tend to disagree - since I believe your views are view of the past. India and Pakistan are well along the way to normalization. Another 5 years and we'll begin to see both those countries have greater economic integration. For India too Pakistan has far greater strategic value that Afghanistan.

Pakistan strategic value exists in the following:

Pakistan impacts India positively or negatively (obviously we want a positive impact - so India can grow and prosper). A weak or confrontation Pakistan will impede India regardless of her recent accomplishments. For a true breaking of the mould both countries need to move past their history.

Pakistan will be the fourth most populace country in the world and provides tremendous opportunities and pitfalls if not retained within the Western orbit. A shift to the Chinese orbit is occurring - both India and the West needs to halt that.

Pakistan is central to the Central Asia. With access through Pakistan - CA is not reachable.

Pakistan is central to Chinese containment. Pakistan can be a deal breaker in the overall strategy to contain China. This is central for the West and India.

Pakistan is a nuclear nation and her stability is central to the safety of India and other interests.

I can go on but any of the above is strategic in my estimation
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Postby svinayak » 07 Dec 2011 07:54

Take Out
Take out this, take out that, bomb this, bomb that. What are you guys smoking here. Have you ever traveled the world. Have you been to these countries that you want to take out. Do you even have the remotest sense of the size we are talking about. The Afghan-Pak border is 2300KM long. Yes that is 2300KM - through mountain ranges that would make the Rockies looks like the Appalachia Hills of West Virginia.

So quit smoking and wake up. Fighting Arabs and small Latin American countries is one thing. "Taking out", a nation of nearly 900,000 square km landmass, and 200 million people (perhaps one of the worlds most armed populace), an Army that has fought a foe 4 times her size, and finally a country with all three system for nuclear delivery, not to mention one of the world largest diaspora - only when you truly begin to appreciate this - do you begin to realize why McArthur warned Kennedy when he said Never Start A Land War in Asia.

Problem is as Americans we seldom travel the world - we seldom get out of our comfort-zone world view. We build realities out of a prism that is stuck.

Lets quit with these wars, lets reach out via our trade, and our views and culture. That is the smart projection of power. The path we are taking is a path to nowhere but loss of our young generations and treasure, with an eventual demise of our promise.

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Postby partha » 07 Dec 2011 07:56

Acharyaji,

Please add some headers / footers to your above 2 posts. Give some context to it. Are those quotes by you? Who said it? When? Where?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby arunsrinivasan » 07 Dec 2011 08:30

partha wrote:http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bopanna-dumps-qureshi-for-bhupathi/1/162095.html

Bopanna dumps Qureshi for Bhupathi, former Pak partner 'shocked'

One more proof that Yindoos have small heart.


well both are christians ... so no yindoo conspiracy.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 07 Dec 2011 08:55

partha the link is from that posted by abhishek_sharmaji.

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Postby arun » 07 Dec 2011 08:56

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global terrorism thread.

Yet another Islamic Terrorist incident linked to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Suicide bombings targeting shrines of the Mohammadden Shia / Shiite sect on the Muslim holiday of Muharram in Kabul and Mazar-i-Sharif in Afghanistan which killed some 59 is claimed by a Sunni Mohammadden Islamic Terrorist organisation based in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistani militants claim responsibility for pilgrim slaughter

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Postby ramana » 07 Dec 2011 09:18

x-post....
http://tribune.com.pk/story/302997/rehman-malik-thanks-taliban-for-maintaining-muharram-peace/

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Tuesday thanked the Taliban for maintaining peace during Muharram on his appeal, Express News reported.


What he is saying is thanking for the Mazar-e-Sharif bombing.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Altair » 07 Dec 2011 09:56

ramana wrote:x-post....
http://tribune.com.pk/story/302997/rehman-malik-thanks-taliban-for-maintaining-muharram-peace/

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Tuesday thanked the Taliban for maintaining peace during Muharram on his appeal, Express News reported.


What he is saying is thanking for the Mazar-e-Sharif bombing.


ramana garu
I would like to point to some similarities between today's Pakistan to the last days of Iraq's Baath regime. What is your opinion?
Both are kabila guards no?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 07 Dec 2011 10:11

Not really.The Baath were dictatorial thugs. They were not Islamist guards. The las days are similar for thats how totalitarian regimes collapse.
While at it look at how FSU collapsed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 07 Dec 2011 10:32

FP reports that Zardari might quit due to ill health. FP is known to be wrong.

Good indication is to see if he will address the parliament for which invitations have been sent out.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 07 Dec 2011 10:53

I was not aware that he was having any health issues serious enough to make him quit his job. Seems to from nowhere suddenly. Is Zardari's head a compromise between PA and the US ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby kmkraoind » 07 Dec 2011 10:58

Check out: Veena Malik’s second topless cover for FHM

Not posting the image of VM with ISI tattoo, a thin green strap with pockets at bottom, and a small hand grenade at hand.

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Postby A_Gupta » 07 Dec 2011 11:42

Sorry, dunno which thread to post this on.
http://www.econ.yale.edu/~egcenter/Kuran_SinghPaper.pdf
The thesis is that Islamic inheritance law is unfavorable for capital formation.
Muslims in India had a choice of Hindu-based or Islamic law until the British, with few exceptions, (Khojas, Bohras, etc) imposed Islamic law on Muslims in the 1860s. Thus Muslims (and Hindu communities with peculiar laws) fell behind in the economic race.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby kenop » 07 Dec 2011 11:43

Times now was speculating a while ago that Zardari has stepped down.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby kmkraoind » 07 Dec 2011 11:45

Pakistani president Asif Ali Zardari travels to Dubai for tests

Its not clear weather the AZ had permanently ditched Paikana or not.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Sri » 07 Dec 2011 11:55

Having observed such things in past, if he has gone in a PIA plane (chartered or otherwise) he is not going into exile. If he has gone in a pvt plane specially chartered... you can say he is pretty much gone....

Another coup... Insha Allah

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby suryag » 07 Dec 2011 12:00

He escaped sun lever/vacuum bulb treatment.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby harbans » 07 Dec 2011 12:13

Z is the wisest amongst the lot. He knows after the PA bombing incident there's no way in hell relations with US can improve and the PA will call the shots. The pressure down top is on confrontation. The next drone strike and people will be out baying for blood. PA will put him in the dock..easiest of the lot to sacrifice. He knows when to cut a deal and when to cut from Gutterstan. Lot's of Paki elite now will be leaving in droves. Gutterstan will start to unravel sooner than we expect i guess.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Altair » 07 Dec 2011 12:29

Folks
Reg:Zardari;
This is not good news. A change of guard means there is more probability of a big bang strike in the pipeline. We are missing something.
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Postby Airavat » 07 Dec 2011 12:35

Lashkar-i-Jhangvi claims responsibility for attack on Shias in Kabul

The Taliban denied any role in Tuesday’s attacks. But a spokesman for the Pakistani militant group Lashkar-i-Jhangvi called a station operated by Radio Free Europe to assert responsibility. If the claim is true, it would mark the first time that the group, which has ties to al-Qaeda, has carried out a major attack in Afghanistan.

Lashkar-i-Jhangvi militants have systematically assassinated Shiites and attacked their religious gatherings in Pakistan. The ISI has supported Lashkar-i-Jhangvi in the past, though it is not known whether the organizations maintain ties. The attack could also worsen the already thorny relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Afghan government and U.S. officials have accused elements of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence directorate (ISI) of helping to execute attacks in Afghanistan, including several recent high-profile strikes in Kabul.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 07 Dec 2011 12:47

There is never a dull moment in Pakistan. Zardari is said to have gone to Dubai for an angioplasty. This should not be cause enough for his rumoured resignation. If the rumours end up as mere rumours, then we can safely conclude they were planted by the ISI. They have done everything in the last three years to dislodge him but he has remained stubborn. If the rumours turn out to be true, then also it was the ISI's handiwork because it 'brokered' his exit. Pakistan is indeed strange, like matter and anti-matter. It has strategic-depth and reverse strategic-depth; Kargil and reverse Kargil; coup and reverse coup.

What do we do without Pakistan ?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Anujan » 07 Dec 2011 12:54

Apparently Zardari will go to london after his dubai visit. He has been accompanied by Farah Ispahani his spokesperson and also the wife of the good Haqqani. Good Haqqani ofcourse has been ordered by the court to not leave Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Aditya_V » 07 Dec 2011 12:57

Anujan wrote:A Good Haqqani ofcourse has been ordered by the court to not leave Pakistan.


As if anyone cares for Law in Pakistan, the same courts are capable of bend over backwards and reverse their decision. If change in the wings, Good Haqqani to will quietly and Privately leave Porkistan if GHQ allows him to.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby krishnan » 07 Dec 2011 14:06

Something is cooking up

Pakistan Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to appear on national television soon

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Philip » 07 Dec 2011 14:42

If Zardari quits,it will also be "quits" for his PPP in any forthcoming election.The unveiling of bilawal,not too long ago perhaps was a sign that Zardari was planning to take a abck seat as relationswitht he US and Pak have gone downhil and are now below ground almost reaching sewer level.The "Zardar" has no control over his army,increasingly little control over his PM and if as was anticipated,a militayr coup by Gen.Kill-any the "Vulture",The Zardar would be sent back to his famous prison cell where he spent years repenting!

Therefore his "heart attack" might be indeed contrived and used by him as an escape route to become the fall guy when the Paki sh*t hits the Pres.Palace! He is also a survivor who well knows that the ""end of the affair" of the rent-boy and his "sugar Uncle" will bring about great turmoil within Pak and invite the inevitable army coup."Memogate" has only contributed towards his hasty anticipated exit.Perhaps the ISI is also spreading therumour of his stepping down,to helpspeed him on his way! They can then put forward their preferred puppet pres. candidate and Pak is full of such "men who would be king"!

PS:The suicide attack against Shiites in Afghanistan is the Taliban/ISI's way of paying the US back for the 28 porkis killed in the air attack.Typical of the Paki state,feared to fight a battle with an equal,hit out as usual at the weak,in this case the Afghans.Shiites were targets because fundoo men of of the ISI care little for Muslims of rival sects like the equally mainstream Shiites ,anathema to Sunni Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Pranav » 07 Dec 2011 14:55

Clearly the party is over for Zardari.

Interesting question is whether the Paks will try to preserve a fig-leaf of constitutionality.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RajeshA » 07 Dec 2011 14:56

For the RAPE in Pakistan, it made sense to live and swear by Pakistan only as long as Pakistan was American MuNNA. Now with that relationship in the doldrums, what is there really to live for? Earlier the Army had an incentive to keep a civilian face up front! After the OBL hit, all the masks behind which Pakistan was hiding fell of like dominoes. When the Warthog is now seen completely naked, does it really make any sense for it to straighten its bow-tie?

The relations are going downhill so quickly, that the Army would rethink its need to have any civilian face at all, including that of Imran Khan!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Suppiah » 07 Dec 2011 15:34

Not sure what is there for the deep state to gain by going after 10%. If the move is somewhat godfatherish to send the message that you cannot cross the Army and live to tell the story, that message has sunk into the genes of every Pakbaric jehadi animal by now anyway. If it is to replace with a more 'convenient' puppet, then who is that? In any event the President, not to speak of the Parliament and Prime Minister, don't have much powers anyway.

If Zardari has indeed courted the west against the Army, then TSPA chooses to burn all bridges with the western world and that shows the sort of rabid attitude that Saddam and Gadaffi take. We all know where they ended up..it also means TSPA is beyond caring and hence is a much bigger threat to India in the immediate future. MMS & Co better watch out and keep eyes peeled for a Mumbai type attack.

BTW does this say anything..

Al-Guardian report: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... sfeed=true

Zardari was taken straight to the American hospital in Dubai

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby krishnan » 07 Dec 2011 16:38

A Dubai-based member of Zardari's Pakistan People's Party, Mian Muneer Hans, said the president landed in Dubai around 7:30 p.m. on Tuesday.

"He walked to his car in the airport and was not on any ambulance," said Hans, adding that he was accompanied by his doctor and petroleum minister Asim Hussain. Zardari was taken straight to the American Hospital in Dubai, said Hans.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 07 Dec 2011 16:45

This might as well have been written or dictated by the ISI. The Boston Globe:

In Pakistan, the US continues to make errors
By H.D.S. Greenway


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