Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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On the other hand with the Pakistanis and Islam in general there is no concept of shame for any deeds done on to the Kufr. Any complaint one makes to them, they will only feel better that they were capable and able to commit such atrocities and pain.

In Islam too there is the concept of shame, e.g. for any failure to instill fear and respect in the hearts of the Kufr for Islam and the Muslims, for their military defeat, for loss of Muslim lands, but most of all for loss of their women to the Kufr.

So even as Pakis try to intimidate us with terror and what not, we Kufr have to keep on laughing in their faces, we have to keep on getting up and building what they destroyed. We have to party and dance in their faces. We have to tell them we are not afraid of them. And to underline that point we have to keep on hurting their H&D in whatever way possible - i.e. by making limited wars with them, by making them pay through the loss of land, by keeping on pounding them using cross-border artillery fire.

One may notice it is extremely difficult for the Islam-pasand to give up. Ghori did not give up and attacked Prithviraj Chauhan again. Defeat is Shame! Neither did the Taliban accept defeat in 2001. They continued with their war. The only choice for the Islamist is to continue the war! That is why, it is not sufficient to defeat an Islamist power. You have to crush it beyond any hope of restoration. Half-way victories are not satisfactory.

Thus even if we take over lands from Pakistan as our response to Paki terrorism, we should not call peace! First of all we should never return any land won in war. Secondly we should never stop looking for excuses to wage more war on the Islamists. One victory is just a stepping stone.

It is only though continuous and repeated defeat and humiliation of the Pakis can we think of forcing some self-shame system onto the Pakis.

Secondly we want a stream of Veena Maliks, a river of them flowing towards India. In 'Managing Pakistan's failure' Thread, I spoke of Indians marrying Pakeezah's. That would be the ultimate humiliation of the Islamists and Pakis. And we should go for it!

This repeated humiliation of Pakis is important to establish a system of self-shame, so that one day that crosses the rubicon and turns into shame of Islam!
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Mahendra wrote:
I..guess..he..was..minding..his..own..business
and the victim was sentenced 6 months imprisonment.. Wah re tsp...
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Re: KAhmad's blog (weekly column) in Dawn, where he reports that paki war hysteria against the US and NATO is at the levels he saw in 1965 and 1971. This is quite a feat on part of the paki army, to have over come the beating, humiliation that they suffered at the hands of US/NATO forces, and invoked islamic and patriotic emotions to this extent that the cause of invoking them (beatings) is entirely forgotten. But then, this is the only way the mussalmans can handle defeat of any kind. They turn it into a leaver to ratchet up hullah ho abkar rallies, in the end believing their own delusion that they are preparing for war. If they get beat again, they repeat the process of getting to where they are preparing for war... and so on... Never acknowledging defeat, and when defeated, construct delusions to believe through mass hysteria. Watch this result of the beating at the hands of US/NATO. Hysteria has almost converted it to a victory, and the islamic blogs are already talking of "they will think a hundred times before they attack us again".

War hysteria is a fine art which the pakis have perfected, taking liberally from all the delusional barking found all through so called Mussalman history. Much of that war and battle bravado was constructed post conflicts and battles. This made perfect sense based on the convoluted Mussalman doctrine - Mussalman do not loose in war. From this verbal Mobius ring, one can easily go from one side of any verbiage to the other. Thus, if the Mussalman lost, the battle never took place, and if they won, there was never any possibility of any other outcome, and, based on the standard paradigm of the winners writing the history, all glorious pre battle can be manufactured. The fool ahmed is functioning on a standard Mussalman wave length, despite what he says. Yes, the paki Mussalman are saying, bring on the US, bring on NATO (followed by fully functional art of war hysteria - check relevant you tube videos), because - and watch the magic of their Mobius verbiage - because Mussalman cannot loose, the loss is of the fake Mussalman who were trying to bring shame and disgrace to the pure Mussalman, and therefore, the paki army has to be suitably purified. Such logic, as it rapidly propagates through the paki ummha, will cause even more hysteria. And such a pogrom among the purefool of the jehadis and the army (the only weponized parts of the paki society) will lead to the kinds of anarchy which may well morph into civil war and paki fragmentation. So, all in all, sure, let us urge the US, NATO, Afghan armed forces, the former NA et cetera, all to go attack the war crazy of paki. If the war hysteria among the paki is in fact at the level of 1965 and 1971, that is indeed phenomenal, and when it is followed by an inevitable defeat, then the crinkle crackle we will hear will be the crumbling of the paki state.
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Rumour has it that Zardari / Haqqani knew about the 2nd May incident. In various forums he had told the Americans that if he is provided publicly irrefutable evidence of PA involvement in harboring high value targets in safe houses in Pakistan then he will be in position to take decisive action against the Army. So US did the OBL raid. It served 3 purposes:

1) OBL gone
2) Obama gets all the credit
3) Pakistan public is shown supposedly irrefutably the proof of PA's involvement in sheltering the terrorists

Zardari immediately issued an op ed in Washington post and for the time being it felt he was in a position to cut PA to it's size. Us was also happy when the military top brass was called to senate for explanation. US was hoping for an independent inquiry which will officially establish PA's role. Unfortunately Zardari and gang developed cold feet. Pasha openly threatened anyone who dared to ask direct question and resulting national security inquiry turned out to be a dud.

This got US in a fix and they got furious with Zardari. Hence the whole memogate drama. Generally to get Zardari in a fix. He didn't deliver. So US exacted it's pound of flesh. Zardari needs to change as he just can't deliver

US is almost nudging PA to take over the country. Kiyani has till now somehow not done it. But it may happen soon. Thing is what after that? Is it in US's interest to have Pakistan being taken over by Kiyani?
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this whole closing shamsi and no dronacharya overflight stinks of a compromise between unkil and tsp and is purely for the consumption of the abduls.

unkil will carry on strikes with dronacharyas and anybody who reports it will be silenced by the deep shit state. otherwise they will say with tfta certainty "how can unkil fly drones when we have the best air defence in the world to kill every type of bird - or some such thing" and quietly unkil will surely spray sparks of fire on telibunnies.
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parsuram wrote:Much of that war and battle bravado was constructed post conflicts and battles. This made perfect sense based on the convoluted Mussalman doctrine - Mussalman do not loose in war. From this verbal Mobius ring, one can easily go from one side of any verbiage to the other. Thus, if the Mussalman lost, the battle never took place, and if they won, there was never any possibility of any other outcome, and, based on the standard paradigm of the winners writing the history, all glorious pre battle can be manufactured. The fool ahmed is functioning on a standard Mussalman wave length, despite what he says. Yes, the paki Mussalman are saying, bring on the US, bring on NATO (followed by fully functional art of war hysteria - check relevant you tube videos), because - and watch the magic of their Mobius verbiage - because Mussalman cannot loose, the loss is of the fake Mussalman who were trying to bring shame and disgrace to the pure Mussalman, and therefore, the paki army has to be suitably purified.
This is true. The Mussalman, the Ghazis infused with the blessing of Islam never lose a war. If they lose, what they lose is simply the first round, the first battle, the warm-up session. The war continues! How can they lose if the War never ends. How can the war end if they never acknowledge defeat? Only an explicit Apology, Regret, Reparations for War or a Treaty acknowledging Loss of Land would mean acknowledgement defeat if any honest acknowledgement at all. Even then this would not come from all the sections of the Muslim state, only a section would enter into some Peace Treaty. The other would not. They would pronounce those who make a treaty as traitors and continue their war and struggle.

Look at Palestine. Look at Kashmir. In fact only the ultimate defeat of the Hindu would be satisfactory to the Ghazis.

So the only policy the Kufr can adopt is a sustained determined policy of pushing back, defeating them over and over again, gaining more and more land from under their control, humiliating them over and over again, converting more and more of the faithful over to Dharmic way, "marrying" more and more of their women and making them Dharmic!

We conquer their land on whatever pretext, terrorism is a good one. Then we force them to accept turning over that land to us. Then we force those who make the treaty with us to crush those who reject the treaty. And then we repeat this process.
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Sri wrote:Rumour has it that Zardari / Haqqani knew about the 2nd May incident. In various forums he had told the Americans that if he is provided publicly irrefutable evidence of PA involvement in harboring high value targets in safe houses in Pakistan then he will be in position to take decisive action against the Army. So US did the OBL raid. It served 3 purposes:

1) OBL gone
2) Obama gets all the credit
3) Pakistan public is shown supposedly irrefutably the proof of PA's involvement in sheltering the terrorists
Sri, whatever may be the reason for Zardari's sudden exit from Pakistan, I do not buy the 'prior-intimation-to-Zardari' part. That should all be mere rumour or if I borrow from Gilani saheb, 'Rumour is just rumour'. The US would never trust a Pakistani to part with that kind of sensitive information especially when the target was OBL. There are numerous instances since at least 1998 when top secret information shared by the US with Pakistan had been leaked compromising US operations. OBL was the greatest target ever in the history of the US, perhaps. Besides, the US can still furnish proof of PA's involvement to Zardari *after* the conclusion of the operation. In fact, no other proof is needed apart from the fact that OBL was killed at Abbottabad and the statement by one of the several wives of OBL that the had lived there for a few years and before that in Haripur. Also, does anyone, least of all the US, think that a civilian government in Pakistan can put PA to sword ?
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This snippet from the Rediff Live news section:
Osama's wife starts hunger strike in Pak custody: Former Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden's widow Amal Ahmad has reportedly started a hunger strike, demanding her release from custody in Pakistan.

Amal, one of Laden's three widows, has started the hunger strike, claiming that her detention is unlawful. She has also declared that she will continue her hunger strike till she is released.

Her hunger strike call came hours after Pakistan announced that bin Laden's other two wives will travel back to their native country Saudi Arabia within one week; but Amal would not be allowed to travel to Yemen because of the refusal of Yemeni authorities to accept her.
I thought Laden was there with a Wife and few children. Looks the harem too was around in Gutterstan. Not much news being followed in that Dept these days.
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The funny thing is that no matter how much the war hysteria in Pakistan my personal feeling is that there will be no war. Only a fake war with Paki downhill. In fact the US has already "leaked" what it feels will come from the trasport blockade. They alerady know that the powerful transport lobbies will make "Pakistan" cave in before long.

As regards Dronacharya, the gauntlet has been thrown. Dronacharya was hitting Talibs and cannot now hit them. If the Talibs raise their heads and attack, then Dronacharya is back And if Dronacharya takes a hit then Pakhana will face war (even if it is a Parakram type threat onlee).

Pakis too have alerady "leaked" their plans. They are begging the Taliban to go easy. Talks are on and Gilani thanked the Taliban for not killing Shias and letting the LeJ which the US is not angry with (If is religious it can't be bad) do the kiling instead. On Muharram day. No less.

Prediction: Please call me out on this although it is a far fetched "bet" that I can easily slip out of like Rakesh's Akula's weight of mithai. Pakhtunistan will come in 10 years. Pakistan will be a rump state.
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lakshmikanth wrote: After Independence Nehru was also a very confused man, with his own confused ideas about the world. Gurcharan Das pointed out that in his lecture on Policy at Harvard, Henry Kissinger said dreamers should never be leaders and the example he gave was of Nehru. He had a very naive view of the world, and I assume it was because he only dealt with the Briturd masters. In his naive view, rejecting crony capitalism and backward Hinduism would cure India of all its ills. This has been the path that the elites of India have taken. They are rudderless, but they "know" Hinduism is evil. They were shamed into believing it, they still try to shame others in believing it as well, look at any news channel for example. Just as the Islamic crazies of Porkistan have taken into more Islam as a solution. Our elites have decided that more secularism (i.e. Hindu hatred) is our answer to being ashamed. They think that if we completely eliminate Hinduism from our culture, we will be equal to those who shame us (i.e. the briturds), thereby remedying the internal shame! Pseudo secularism is nothing but self-shame and self-hatred polished into a stand against anything Indic.
The Indian policy elite still thinks Hinduism==religion==Islam. That is why the more Pakistan moves towards Islam, the more GoI wants to move away from Hinduism. The moment Pakistan gets hurt by Islamic terror, the more Indian elite is scared of non-existing Saffron terror. Both are false understanding of the underlying foundations.

Pakistan will prove that it's obsession with Islam will be the cause for its demise. Will India learn that its obsession against Hinduism is what holding its national cohesion and resurgence?
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I had mentioned a while back about the TSP-US escalation ladder. I can't find that post but but do remember the first two steps:

1. Taliban types do a Hezbollah defense by hiding/firing from close to Pakis border posts. Unkil responss with Apches and AC-130s
2. Pakis respond with MANPADs

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/upp ... story.html

and passes them on to Taliban who shoot down a copter or two

I think the third step was B-52s on the Paki side. Am waiting for that to happen
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the talibs have already brought down helicopters with quite large casualties...
there are a number of rogue stingers out there no?
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Nandu wrote:
Isn't Kang the guy whose "wife" was shot in Islamabad during that time?
shiv wrote:Hmm - I vaguely recall that Xerox Khan had alleged that the army was bribed. It was discussed on here a couple of years ago. Need to find the relevant reports..
There was a North Korean diplomat by name of Kang Tae Yun posted in Islamabad whose diplomat wife Kim Sah Nae was killed. Not clear if Kang Tae Yun was a General though.

Dexter Filkins in the New Yorker:

Who Killed Kim Sah Nae ?
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From the Wall Street Journal:

Pakistan’s Oversized Islamist Parties

The International Crisis Group report mentioned in the WSJ article is here:

Islamic Parties In Pakistan
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Dipanker wrote:So this is how the genocider Pakbarians are attaining their "strategic depth" ? The whole civilized world need to see this pic:

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The UK’s Telegraph publishes an article about the little Afghan Girl in the above picture who survived this instance of Islamic Terrorism spawned in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :

The Afghanistan schoolgirl who became a symbol of Kabul's suicide bombing
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Sri wrote:Rumour has it that Zardari / Haqqani knew about the 2nd May incident. In various forums he had told the Americans that if he is provided publicly irrefutable evidence of PA involvement in harboring high value targets in safe houses in Pakistan then he will be in position to take decisive action against the Army. So US did the OBL raid. It served 3 purposes:

1) OBL gone
2) Obama gets all the credit
3) Pakistan public is shown supposedly irrefutably the proof of PA's involvement in sheltering the terrorists

Zardari immediately issued an op ed in Washington post and for the time being it felt he was in a position to cut PA to it's size.

Thats not true. The Zardari oped was ghost written by Sherry and clearedby the army first. Other opeds in the past were ghost written by (good) haqqani without army clearance. So now you know who was dancing to whose tune even after the obl raid. BTW the oped written by Sherry was maybe a hint of thigns to come for the good haqqani.
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Every time i see that picture, my blood boils. That image of the baby lying upside down is even more disturbing. I hope it survived. Hope the pakis burn in hell for doing this to innocent humans.
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archan wrote:Hope the pakis burn in hell
No Siree...that's too far out. Let the hell comes to pakis here and now.
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From the BBC:
Pakistan considers taxing Nato Afghanistan trucks
Pakistan is considering charging millions of dollars in annual taxes on Nato trucks and fuel tankers, officials have told the BBC.

The vehicles pass through Pakistan on their way to Afghanistan.

The charges might include taxes on fuel in addition to port and storage fees, they said.

The supply route is a lifeline for Nato troops but Pakistan closed it last month after 24 of its soldiers were killed in a Nato air strike.

Thousands of tankers are now stranded.
Paki blackmail is back in business. Looks like they've figured out that they don't get paid unless the fuel delivery is made and are now looking for alternate sources of income.
On Sunday, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani told the BBC that Pakistan may continue its blocking of Nato convoys into Afghanistan for several weeks.
Interesting that he hasn't said that the block is permanent :).
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Every time i see that picture, my blood boils. That image of the baby lying upside down is even more disturbing. I hope it survived. Hope the pakis burn in hell for doing this to innocent humans.
It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)
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[quote="SushuptiIt is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)
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Killing of civilian women and children to be avoided in peace time but in state of war above rule applies. But , OTOH,
only a Hudna is permissible if Ghazialis are weak and not a permanent peace with Kuffar so state of undeclared war exist all the time.
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Pakistan’s ailing president plays his trump card: his son

By Simon Denyer,

ISLAMABAD — Unpopular and unwell, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari is determined not to be written off just yet.

Last week, with political pressure mounting from all sides, Zardari left for Dubai for medical treatment. As rumors swirled that he was fleeing or being ousted by the military, he swiftly played his trump card — the fact that he remains the father of Benazir Bhutto’s children, and, for now at least, the guardian of that inheritance.

No sooner had Zardari left the country than the couple’s only son, 23-year-old Bilawal, was thrust into the limelight, appearing in front of the cameras here to co-chair a high-level meeting of his Pakistan Peoples’ Party, alongside Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

It was a move designed to shore up his father’s power base, analysts said, and reassure his supporters that the Zardari-Bhutto family was not about to be pushed aside easily, either by the military or by dissenters within their own party. It was the 2007 assassination of Benazir Bhutto, a former prime minister and PPP leader, that paved the way for Zardari’s election as president.

“It was designed to send a signal to the party that Zardari may be unwell but the party leadership remains with him via his son,” said newspaper editor Cyril Almeida. “It could also have been a preemptive move to prevent any cracks in the party emerging. It sends a powerful message that the Bhuttos are here. The future leader of the party is before you, so you try to create trouble within the party at your own peril.”

Bilawal Bhutto Zardari was made nominal co-chairman of the Peoples’ Party after his mother’s assassination but returned to Britain to complete his studies at Oxford University.

He is still too young even to contest an election — the minimum age in Pakistan is 25 — so his role will remain somewhat limited. For now, his father and his father’s inner circle will still call the shots, political analysts said.

But questions about Zardari’s long-term health and heart problems have raised the specter of a more rushed succession than had originally been planned.

“Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has finished his academic education and is now receiving political education,” said party spokesman Farhatullah Babar.

Although there has been no official word on his illness, party officials say Zardari, 56, may have suffered a transient ischemic attack, which can produce stroke-list symptoms but no lasting damage to the brain.

Babar said the president was “stable and recovering” on Monday and would return as soon as his doctors give him the go-ahead. But Gilani told the BBC late on Sunday that Zardari needed more rest and could be out of the country for another two weeks.

Zardari insists he has no plans to leave office yet.

“Those that run from the country run with their kids,” Zardari reportedly told a news anchor by telephone on Friday. “My son is in Pakistan. I left him there. My enemies will be disappointed.”

In the longer-term, Bilawal Zardari is an attractive option for the party for a number of reasons, including the sympathy his mother’s fate garners, but also for his youth in a country experiencing a surge in the number of young people of voting age. He also speaks well in English, although, like his mother and grandfather as they emerged in politics, he is still working on his command of Urdu and Sindhi, one newspaper reported Monday.

However, not everyone in the party thinks the young man is ready for an enhanced role, or that the PPP was wise to thrust him forward so early. Bilawal Zardari is said to be shy, and there are questions about how keen he is on a future in politics.

“It is a bit premature, launching him into the murky politics of Pakistan when the government is in quite a bit of trouble,” said Safdar Abbasi, a party official who was close to Benazir Bhutto but has been somewhat sidelined by Zardari.

“Frankly, I don’t think it is prudent politics. They have panicked and put him in a politically difficult situation.”

Pakistan’s economy is in a mess, facing widespread gas and electricity shortages. The government has also been widely criticized for mishandling the response to floods in 2010 and this year.

The latest scandal revolves around an unsigned memo that solicited Washington’s help to rein in Pakistan’s powerful military and prevent a possible coup in the days after the U.S. raid to kill Osama bin Laden in May. Amid accusations that the memo had Zardari’s backing, Pakistan’s Supreme Court is conducting an investigation. It has called for written depositions from the president and the nation’s army and intelligence chiefs by Dec. 15.

Whether Zardari’s prolonged absence is entirely due to his health, or is also in part a convenient ploy to see how the Supreme Court probe unfolds, has been openly debated here. But there has been no sign that Zardari is inclined to stay away for good.

Bilawal Zardari tends to eschew the Western suits his father prefers, dressing instead in baggy Pakistani garb with a round cap typical of his native province of Sindh, the stronghold of his party. His appearance in a Sindhi cap this week was a reminder to the military, analysts said, of the family’s popular support in the huge southern province.

But Bilawal Zardari is still an unknown quantity politically, and he has declined so far to speak to the media. Local papers reported last week that he was unhappy with his father’s “watered-down” response to the assassination of politician and businessman Salman Taseer by a religious extremist in January, but he has not made his views widely known publicly.
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Lalmohan wrote:the talibs have already brought down helicopters with quite large casualties...
there are a number of rogue stingers out there no?
IIRC, the legend of the rogue stingers has been debunked. There is a sell by date and the specialized batteries go kaput.. The ISAF helicopters seem to have been brought down by RPGs not MANPADs
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cosmo-ji, i guess i should have put some sort of emoticon...
perhaps unkil needs to go and locate those 'rogue stingers' and bring 'em to justice? even if they be masqueradin' as rootin' tootin' RPG varmints?
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archan wrote:Every time i see that picture, my blood boils. That image of the baby lying upside down is even more disturbing. I hope it survived. Hope the pakis burn in hell for doing this to innocent humans.
Yes Sir, India must execute "Operation:Brahmastra" (1000 Brahmos missiles savage attack on Rawalpindi and Islamabad) and finish the morale of PA. It has a more than fair chance of success. Paki army will literally burn in hell. I bet my left testimonial that they will establish Olympic world record in downhill skiing.
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Lalmohan wrote:cosmo-ji, i guess i should have put some sort of emoticon...
perhaps unkil needs to go and locate those 'rogue stingers' and bring 'em to justice? even if they be masqueradin' as rootin' tootin' RPG varmints?
Does it really matter? The stingers are 1980s tech. The red line would appear to be any 'widespread' distribution of MANPADs to the Talibs/PA at the frontier. A couple of lucky shots and that will invite wrath of Khan as B-52s
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^^It is much easier for the CMDS equipped helos to dodge old stingers than unguided (and ubiquitous) RPGs when they are flying low.
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RajeshA wrote:Ghori did not give up and attacked Prithviraj Chauhan again. Defeat is Shame! Neither did the Taliban accept defeat in 2001. They continued with their war. The only choice for the 1$l@m1st is to continue the war! That is why, it is not sufficient to defeat an 1$l@m1st power. You have to crush it beyond any hope of restoration. Half-way victories are not satisfactory.
Ranjit Singh, who probably did not read BRF, dealt with them *exactly* the same way you are describing. That is why references to RS in Pathaan lore is either absent, or muted.

He made them loose land, especially SW A'stan and their winter capital of Peshawar. Other significant land losses were Khyber, Kashmir, Multan, and of course not mention Punjab proper itself. His army did a victory march in Kabul and had marched through Jalalabad etc. He made them (as the legend goes) wear Shalwar, a female piece of dressing. Dharma did not permit him to c0nvert by force, so that was not an option on the table.
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Cosmo_R wrote:I had mentioned a while back about the TSP-US escalation ladder. I can't find that post but but do remember the first two steps:

1. Taliban types do a Hezbollah defense by hiding/firing from close to Pakis border posts. Unkil responss with Apches and AC-130s
2. Pakis respond with MANPADs

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/upp ... story.html

and passes them on to Taliban who shoot down a copter or two

I think the third step was B-52s on the Paki side. Am waiting for that to happen
Somewhere in there, I am hoping Pakistan will revoke the air corridor as well. That will provide a wonderful opportunity for US/NATO to declare a no-fly zone over Baluchistan and the crucial domino would have fallen!

btw.. as much as we would want US to move supplies from India to Afghanistan, the no-fly zone over Baluchistan has more probability of happening than Indian military or US military logistical supplies over PoK.

And that is ok, because primary focus on PoK would right away unite the animals. Only way India may get PoK is by undermining the very definition of the nation entity. That cannot be done by India alone (and uncle-birturds will never allow it if seen as such).

So India has to prod US/NATO to do it for them by provoking small steps that appeal to limited US/NATO goals with no direct tangible benefit to India. No-Fly Zone!!! And guess what, it will bring Quetta directly in their sights.

From the above article....
“You cannot deploy these systems on each and every outpost. Sometimes these posts are attacked by militants, and you may lose these weapons,” Qazi, a retired army general and former head of Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency, told the Associated Press.
Seems like tactically brilliant are building basis for plausible deniability for when its ghazis with beards and Turbans fire MANPADS at the US or NATO aircrafts... "Oh.. sorry about that, Taliban stole them from us during their attack of our base on XYZ."

It doesn't bother them that some of the "good ghazis" may be attacked by the "bad ghazis" and the "good ghazis" may loose the MANPADS. But again, may be there aren't any Orions left for "bad ghazis" to target!!!!!
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Why would the US declare a no-fly zone over Baluchistan? How is that any less offensive (to Pakis) than enforcing a no-fly zone elsewhere over Pakistan, and what would be the point anyway?

I mean, it's not like the Pakis need their air force to shoot down US drones. The US drones that have been shadeezing all those Pakis in NWFP are non-stealthy models; these can be easily shot down with medium-altitude SAM's if the Pakis decide to do so. The US does have some stealthy drones but these are recon birds (they don't carry missiles or bombs). Eventually the US will be fielding stealthy combat drones but not yet.
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Altair wrote:
archan wrote:Every time i see that picture, my blood boils. That image of the baby lying upside down is even more disturbing. I hope it survived. Hope the pakis burn in hell for doing this to innocent humans.
Yes Sir, India must execute "Operation:Brahmastra" (1000 Brahmos missiles savage attack on Rawalpindi and Islamabad) and finish the morale of PA. It has a more than fair chance of success. Paki army will literally burn in hell. I bet my left testimonial that they will establish Olympic world record in downhill skiing.
+1008.

Archanullah - I posted that Pic from a Telugu news paper. My search to find other Pics failed. Look at the girl in black sweater sitting on the right hand side. These b**tards deserve no mercy.

As Brahmos production ramps up, they should start testing it on Pakistan, perhaps 1-2 missiles per day. I can write a random generator that will pick a random target from one of the hundreds of MIC and Terror-infra locations mapped. The entire Paki MIC+TerrorInfra must be relocated exposing new targets to practice.

India can pull back all its major MIC installations 200-300 miles away from the Paki borders; Pakis do not have that chance.

If a Brahmos fails the lock on the target it will fall on a Madarsa.
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Thanks Nanduji
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RamaY wrote: As Brahmos production ramps up, they should start testing it on Pakistan, perhaps 1-2 missiles per day. I can write a random generator that will pick a random target from one of the hundreds of MIC and Terror-infra locations mapped. The entire Paki MIC+TerrorInfra must be relocated exposing new targets to practice.
RamaY garu
You are talking about slow death,although personally preferred by me but which has many complications in our international community and coupled with domestic problems. I am actually talking about a 4 hour blitzkrieg attack on preselected military and terror targets already mapped by NTRO. You will be amazed by the number of targets Pakistan gives India within 300 KM radius. It will change the sub-continent and the world more than 9/11.
Pakistan's army and its kabila guards grandstanding will be shattered into a million bits.
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ISPR has declared that Veena Malik posing for FHM is "the height of humiliation for Pakistan, done by a Pakistani on Indian soil".

Don't know if it is higher humiliation than Khan GUBO in Abbottabad. Isn't the height of humiliation by Pakistani in Indian soil the surrender of Niazi? Where was it signed?
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RamaY ji,

I would prefer if India were to use long range highly accurate artillery system and call it normal cross-border fire. We make it so lethal that being stationed on the LoC for any Pakistani Ranger should be considered a death certificate for him. 15-20 deaths a week should be the going average. And we keep pushing all Pakistani border posts 30-40 kms away. Then we just walk in whenever we need! We push them so further back that none of their artillery firing really lands in India-controlled territory.

It should become a war without being called a war. It should just be business as usual for us - normal firing that keeps on taking place between opposing "teams". We should let the Pakistanis keep on complaining about their deaths while we consider it a minor nuisance. We tell them all the time we are ready for a ceasefire, but we keep on shelling them incessantly.

Cross-border firing which is just targeted at their border posts and checkpoints is hardly something due to which they can escalate it into a nuclear war, so they will just have to accept the pounding.
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Anujan wrote:ISPR has declared that Veena Malik posing for FHM is "the height of humiliation for Pakistan, done by a Pakistani on Indian soil".

Don't know if it is higher humiliation than Khan GUBO in Abbottabad. Isn't the height of humiliation by Pakistani in Indian soil the surrender of Niazi? Where was it signed?
I think next time, she can pose naked with a Quran in hand, so that she can always retort to the Mullahs that she is trying to bring Islam to Kufr in her own way!
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Anujanullah!

When an entire nation/ideology doesn't follow an universally accepted humiliation/shame/moral criteria, a nation like Pakistan can define its own cases of humiliation.

For Pakistan
- Committing genocide on its own civilians
- Loss of 50% of land
- Reducing the religious minorities from 20% to 2%
- Not accepting their own soldiers

etc...

doesn't count to be humiliation. Instead they declare humiliation over
- A Veena Malik's nude photo session
- A woman getting Canadian visa
- Another woman hugging her parachute-dropping instructor
and so on...

Pakistan is a bunch of shalwar wearing jihadi wussies. The more men die there the better for the world.
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lot of expressions of angst and sorrow about the Afghan bombing. simple question. Why?

You reap what you sow. while I was looking at that picture, I felt sorry for the human loss, but then I was reminded of the tragedies inflicted by this very population for the last few centuries, in the name of their god and religion. and I find myself wondering why the he** are so many people of BRF falling over their heels to express their dismay and utmost and sincerest sorrow at this?

is it b/c somehow "Pakis" were responsible that makes us sympathize? they are all Pakis. in a green-on-green fight, you and I are still Kafirs worthy of slaughter. when I looked at that picture, I was reminded of similar scenes of massacres that must have occurred to Hindus multiplied by a 1000 times. I feel no sympathy for them. they are reaping the product of their own centuries long karma.

AoA!!!
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