Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby anishns » 16 Dec 2011 10:20

I was reading the wiki page of 1971 war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

and here's a snippet:

Sporadic raids by the IAF continued against Pakistan's forward air bases in the West until the end of the war, and large scale interdiction and close-support operations, and were maintained. The PAF played a more limited part in the operations, and were reinforced by F-104s from Jordan, Mirages from an unidentified Middle Eastern ally (probably Libya) and by F-86s from Saudi Arabia. Their arrival helped camouflage the extent of Pakistan's losses. Libyan F-5s were reportedly deployed to Sargodha, perhaps as a potential training unit to prepare Pakistani pilots for an influx of more F-5s from Saudi Arabia.

Hostilities officially ended at 14:30 GMT on 17 December, after the fall of Dacca on 15 December. India claimed large gains of territory in West Pakistan (although pre-war boundaries were recognised after the war), though the independence of Pakistan's East wing as Bangladesh was confirmed. India flew 1,978 sorties in the East and about 4,000 in the West, while PAF flew about 30 and 2,840. More than 80 percent of the IAF's sorties were close-support and interdiction, and about 65 IAF aircraft were lost (54 losses were admitted), perhaps as many as 27 of them in air combat. Pakistan lost 72 aircraft (51 of them combat types, but admitting only 25 to enemy action). At least 16 of the Pakistani losses, and 24 fell in air combat (although only 10 air combat losses were admitted, not including any F-6s, Mirage IIIs, or the six Jordanian F-104s which failed to return to their donors). :rotfl: But the imbalance in air losses was explained by the IAF's considerably higher sortie rate, and its emphasis on ground-attack missions. On the ground Pakistan suffered most, with 8,000 killed and 25,000 wounded while India lost 3,000 dead and 12,000 wounded. The losses of armoured vehicles were similarly imbalanced. This represented a major defeat for Pakistan.


So, the bloody ummah did step in to try and save the H&D of the Pakis and our Air Force took on the ummah and still emerged victorious :D I was ROTFL on reading about the Jordanian F-104's :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Surya » 16 Dec 2011 10:36

ha ha

jrjrao
it must have hurt to hear the iranians say

Quote:
A former senior Iranian official who asked not to be named said: "There are a lot of human resources in Iran.... Iran is not like Pakistan


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-E ... neer/(page)/3

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RCase » 16 Dec 2011 10:54

jrjrao wrote:
Sources said the knowledge gained by Pakistanis from the wreckage of Stealth helicopter secured from Abbotabad might have helped the Pakistani experts in developing insight about the programming and remote controlling of the CIA operated drones. This critical technological insight led Pakistani experts to decode sensitive gadgetry of the drones.



Here is the Paki version of Stealth helicopter to remind those of you who may have forgotten:


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 16 Dec 2011 11:46

A sad day for those of us who enjoyed CH's writings, and in particular, for his razor-sharp and non-stop dissection of PakiSatan in a way that few others did:

Author, pundit Christopher Hitchens dies at 62

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 16 Dec 2011 12:07

Just to recall some of CH's writings:

from page 1 of every Paki thread such as this:
On the Frontier of Apocalypse by Christopher Hitchens

Then, after the horror of Mumbai:
Our Friends in Bombay-- We must stand by our most important ally

And after the day when OBL decided to finally swim with the sea weed and fishes, Hitchens unleashed this:
From Abbottabad to Worse

Of course, many would also recall how on the publication of the last above by Hitchens, Prof. Ms. Whack-Job Unfair threw a frightening fit that almost required mental health hospitalization.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Singha » 16 Dec 2011 12:11

if anyone has noticed - humphrey hawksley is reporting from kabul for the BBC these days.

he even has a new book wherein a paki attack on parliament and noko going ballistic on khan almost creates a ww3
http://www.humphreyhawksley.com/pages/a ... d-war.aspx

pakis seem to find star roles as terrorists without even asking for attention now :mrgreen:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Sri » 16 Dec 2011 12:24

jrjrao wrote:
Pakistan hacks drone technology -- Can force it to land
by
TFveryTA Ashraf Ansari
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=130359




Brilliant tactical self goal... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: This needs to be in BENIS

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Charlie » 16 Dec 2011 12:30

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 16 Dec 2011 12:46

Gee. Them Pakis are on a roll.

Recall how they always claim that India is not a democracy because it does give the "Kashmiris" a democratic right to kill India.

Now, Hamid Bulbul-e-gul is singing like a nightingale,
saying that India is not the world's leading democracy because:
He (Lt-Gen Hamid Gul) also criticised India for claiming to be the world’s biggest democracy but it never gave any statement on Salala checkposts attack by Nato that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. “Two dozens of our brave soldiers were martyred in a pre-planned attack. Not a word of condemnation came from the self-proclaimed and so-called world’s greatest champion of democracy. What could be more condemning than that? :((

As has been said many times by many wise folk in this thread before, the Pakis just can't let go of India. They are prisoners and devotees of Indianhood. Forever.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 16 Dec 2011 13:00

Anujan wrote:To this day, many Pakis believe that they won '65 . . .

To this day, all Pakis believe that they were about to capture the whole of J&K when ceasefire was inexplicably offered to the Indians
. . . and Kargil was a stalemate.

Most Pakis believe that Kargil was a stalemate only because the US intervened to save the IA.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 16 Dec 2011 13:41

ramana wrote:US and TSP are made for each other. If India offers help prematurely it will be rebuffed just as after 9/11. The duo need each other a little bit more.

This is absolutely true.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Pratyush » 16 Dec 2011 14:29

Some one ask the Gul, why should India respond to a domestic squabble between Saas and bhau.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby vishvak » 16 Dec 2011 14:31

Pratyush wrote:Some one ask the Gul, why should India respond to a domestic squabble between Saas and bhau.

Why should any country or anyone speak for barbaric warmongers aiding terrorists across borders?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby svinayak » 16 Dec 2011 14:40

jrjrao wrote:
He (Lt-Gen Hamid Gul) also criticised India for claiming to be the world’s biggest democracy but it never gave any statement on Salala checkposts attack by Nato that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. “Two dozens of our brave soldiers were martyred in a pre-planned attack. Not a word of condemnation came from the self-proclaimed and so-called world’s greatest champion of democracy. What could be more condemning than that? :((

As has been said many times by many wise folk in this thread before, the Pakis just can't let go of India. They are prisoners and devotees of Indianhood. Forever.

Pak is full of grieveinces and they want sympathy.
They want it from the same nation which they attack and in cowardly acts kill civilians

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby vanand » 16 Dec 2011 15:51

anupmisra wrote:Meanwhile, the paki awam during the course of the war was reading this in their daily newspapers: The Yawn - Dec 4 through Dec 20, 1971.


If you look into the pages from 10,11,12,14,15,16,17 you can find request for public donation for National defense fund and asking abduls to invest in defense saving certificates.

Do they expected us to carry the war in west further.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 16 Dec 2011 15:55

Anujan wrote:Pakistan’s Modernity: Between the Military and Militancy – by Ayesha Siddiqa

In Pakistan economic progress does not automatically translate into liberal progressive modernity mainly due to the nature of the state. Pakistan’s modernity is structured along two axes: neo-liberal nationalism and right-wing radical nationalism. While the neo-liberal nationalism axis depicts an authoritarian and top-down model of economic and political development marked with the expansion of a national security-obsessed middle class and ruling elite, the right-wing radical nationalism axis denotes the growth of religious radicalism and militancy as symbols of geopolitical modernity that are anti-imperialist in nature. This analysis argues that liberalism is one of the many consequences of modernity, but not the only one. The meeting point of both trajectories has resulted in turning Pakistan into a hybrid-theocratic state which encapsulates a mix of economic neo-liberalism, pockets of social liberalism, formal theocracy and larger spaces experiencing informal theocracy.


http://epw.in/epw/uploads/articles/16890.pdf

Anujan ji, I have not read the complete pdf. I will, in course of time, Insh'a Allah. However, from what you have quoted, while I agree with Ms. Siddiqa's description of the dichotomous forces in Pakistan, I disagree with the usage of the term, 'right-wing radical nationalism'. For the right wing, the objective was always much bigger. The right-wing radical thoughts were nurtured by the likes of Usmani brothers, Abu Ala al Mawdudi and Mufti Mahmud (Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman's father) and the like. They were not merely for the narrow objectives of 'nationalism' but for the greater glory of Islam all over the world radiating from Pakistan. We know how Mawdudi derisively called Jinnah as kafir-e-azam and how he was won over. The Muslim narrative in Pakistan has always been between the desire for a Muslim nation that could take on India and an Islamist ummahdom which would not only subjugate India (as a first step) but lead to the establishment of the Caliphate once again with a glorious Pakistan acting as the hub. These Islamists laid the theoretical (in terms of their works) and practical (in terms of their madrasseh) foundation for the right wing jihadi forces in operation today.

The PA also has exhibited similar dichotomy. It started off with the 'Muslim' narrative immediately after Independence when green became the colour of the military, '786' was emblazoned all over military buildings & vehicles, Islamic war cries were invoked in the attack on J&K etc. After 1971, the PA was forced to change the shade of green, become greener and forged close proximity with the right wing Islamists. Thus, the PA changed from 'neo-liberal nationalism' to 'right-wing Islamism' in a matter of a decade. Its motto also changed correspondingly. It was beginning to be referred to as the 'defender of Islamic ideology'. It was called upon to do service, in the way of Allah, in Jordan and Saudi Arabia and later in Afghanistan, confirming its self-belief in being the protector of the ummah.

Thus, 'right-wing Islamism' coincided with the 'Islamist military jihadism' of the state apparatus. This alliance dominated the scene in the eighties and up to early twenty first century when 9/11 queered the pitch. In this process, the 'neo-liberal nationalism' that confined itself to India (and possibly Afghanistan) had been overwhelmed, swamped and stamped out by the 'right-wing Islamist' players of various hues. Ms. Siddiqa should therefore no longer talk of 'nationalists' in Pakistan, for there exist none.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 16 Dec 2011 16:11

anupmisra wrote:Meanwhile, the paki awam during the course of the war was reading this in their daily newspapers: The Yawn - Dec 4 through Dec 20, 1971. This link may be a keeper.


It indeed is a keeper, and thanks Anup Misra.
The ad for funds in the 16th Dec. paper says, "Victory Belongs to those who Fight for a Right Cause". How true, indeed as Pakistanis were to know very soon !

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Lalmohan » 16 Dec 2011 16:48

asishn - i wonder if the ummah's generosity in donating aircraft was actually urged by Nixon/kissinger dynamic duo?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby JE Menon » 16 Dec 2011 17:54

Following a link from the Declan Walsh article, I arrived here:

Police raid on an Islamabad brothel called Cathouse. It is in several parts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBOceXiv-1w

& Following from the link from anupmisra, I arrived here:

An awesome resource, with tens of PDF scans of contemporary newspaper clippings and articles:

http://www.docstrangelove.com/banglades ... -archives/

If above has been posted earlier, my apologies.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby gakakkad » 16 Dec 2011 18:24

jrjrao wrote:A sad day for those of us who enjoyed CH's writings, and in particular, for his razor-sharp and non-stop dissection of PakiSatan in a way that few others did:

Author, pundit Christopher Hitchens dies at 62



RIP , He was a good man .

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby surinder » 16 Dec 2011 18:32

anishns wrote:I was reading the wiki page of 1971 war

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So, the bloody ummah did step in to try and save the H&D of the Pakis and our Air Force took on the ummah and still emerged victorious :D I was ROTFL on reading about the Jordanian F-104's :mrgreen:


Joke is on us, actually. India has al through been a great supporter of Jordanians & Palestinians against the Israelis.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby surinder » 16 Dec 2011 18:37

Mihaylo wrote:
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I bet you a hari dollah paki rupee the Sardar behind is needling the second paki general. 8)


I have seen this photo a million times, but never noticed that utterly gleeful Sardar at top left.

I am pretty sure that the short lady in front of the laughing Sardar is Gen. Arora's wife who accampanied him to Dacca for the surrender. A wife casually accompanies her husband to the biggest surrender post-world war!!!

It does not get more humiliating than this.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Venkarl » 16 Dec 2011 19:05

I like the way IG smirks while saying "well, something has to be done" in the end of first video

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 16 Dec 2011 19:14

JEM, an awesome find.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 16 Dec 2011 19:16

Pak Hindus on a visit to India seek asylum
"If the Indian government can't give us citizenship then they should give us refugee status...We are not treated well in our country," Shobha Ram, one of the Pakistani Hindus, said.

"Since January, around 400 families have come here from Pakistan and are taking refuge with their relations in parts of Punjab, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh and Rajasthan," Surinder Kumar Billa, who heads the All India Shivsena, an organisation working for Pakistani Hindus, said.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RajeshA » 16 Dec 2011 19:42

Old Article

Published on May 10th, 2011
By Malik Ayub Sumbal
Child slavery — 20,000 children with small heads are run by the shrines for beggary: PTH Blog

Code: Select all

http://pakteahouse.net/2011/05/10/pakistan-child-slavery-20000-children-with-small-heads-are-run-by-the-shrines-for-beggary/


There are very strange individuals in Pakistan associated with a Shrine of Pir Shah Daula in Gujrat, a saint of the Suhrawardi School of thought. During the reign of Emperor Aurangzeb, Shah Daula in Gujrat, is said to have the power to punish disobedient parents in the shape of children with small heads (Micro encephalic Children). These children are the property of the Shrines in different parts of the country and are called “Rats of Shah Daula”.

Scores of worshippers and followers of Pir Daula Shah especially barren women, who beg for children, come to the saint invoking his blessings for the fulfilment of their wishes. The first born, usually with a very small head, is called the “mouse of Shah Daula” and is offered to work as a servant at the shrine. Subsequent births produce normal children.

According to a centuries-old tradition and the follower’s belief, barren women who worship at the shrine of the Sufi saint Shah Daula, will become fertile. But unless they donate their first-born child to the shrine as an oblate, all their subsequent children will be born disabled.


Sorry if already posted.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Kapil » 16 Dec 2011 20:16

Is that lady in the picture the legendary Arundhati Ghose?
She was in the East Pakistan desk and I think she has mentioned turning up for the surrender ceremony

Cheera

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_19648 » 16 Dec 2011 20:37

Nice link Anupmisra. The series of news items really show what the Paki mentality is. They were showing off their bravado when the war started/putting all blame on India/rosy accounts of Indian losses conjured up from their wet dreams, in the middle lose all track of reality (particularly hilarious is the news asking are russians manning Indian missile boats/planes), start hallucinating/frothing in their mouths/some other blame game to whoever they can think of, in the end close their chapter with Shame and Disgrace. True Paki nature at its best.

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Postby Mihaylo » 16 Dec 2011 20:39

surinder wrote:
Mihaylo wrote:
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I bet you a hari dollah paki rupee the Sardar behind is needling the second paki general. 8)


I have seen this photo a million times, but never noticed that utterly gleeful Sardar at top left.

I am pretty sure that the short lady in front of the laughing Sardar is Gen. Arora's wife who accampanied him to Dacca for the surrender. A wife casually accompanies her husband to the biggest surrender post-world war!!!

It does not get more humiliating than this.


The Indian soldier behind the second paki general; his left hand is black as tar, mayb all greasy from repairing a piece of war machinery. That or he literally shoved his hand up his bi%(h niazi's a%%. Their first literal GUBO session !!

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Postby Mihaylo » 16 Dec 2011 20:42

RCase wrote:Celebrating Pakistan's victory over SDREs

Folks, it is that time of the year, when back in 1971, Pakistan defeated SDREs and marched back victoriously westward. Please join me in celebrating that momentous victory over the kufrs. I hope you enjoy the mementos from the war.

The declaration of victory:

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The surrender of the cowardly SDRE generals to Pakistani General 'Tiger' Niazi:

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A salute to all the Indian Defense and Armed Forces personnel .


This picture is proof that the pakis won. Where else would you see the 'brown's surrounded by the 'greens' with no hope of escape

Also, in the Instrument of Surrender, you get a good idea of the paki mentality when you note the Nazzi's signature. He specifies Lt. Gen after his signature. bravado even in the face of gubo .. lol

-M
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 16 Dec 2011 20:47

Hamid Gul's whine reflects the Paki idea that they are an unattached part of India. They got a state but are not a nation really. They mentally belong to India.

All is still not lost. They can have the modern Millat status of Art 370. The alternative its to become slaves of Pakhtuns and return to Ghorid days.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby dinakar » 16 Dec 2011 21:05

Kapil wrote:Is that lady in the picture the legendary Arundhati Ghose?
She was in the East Pakistan desk and I think she has mentioned turning up for the surrender ceremony

Cheera

I vaguely remember something about this in Adm. Nanda's book (In that book it was written something like some general's wife, but i may be wrong here). Can anyone conform from Admiral S.M. Nanda's book 'The man who bombed Karachi'.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 16 Dec 2011 21:11

Kapil wrote:Is that lady in the picture the legendary Arundhati Ghose?
She was in the East Pakistan desk and I think she has mentioned turning up for the surrender ceremony

Cheera


The lady is Admiral Nanda's wife.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Lalmohan » 16 Dec 2011 21:12

abhishek_sharma wrote:(some people believe that treaty of versailles played a role in causing WW 2.)


very directly - the reparations paid by germany beggared them for two decades - large parts of their coal and industrial production were given to france and the other allies as reparations. eventually following the stock market crash in the US, germany went into hyperinflation and economic meltdown - something which led directly to the rise of the national socialist movement and the take over by hitler. they were denied all manner of technologies and military equipment production as well as several other humiliation. in effect germany went through a profound revolution.

it was no surprise therefore that when hitler defeated the french in 1941, he made them sign the surrender document in the exact same railway carriage that had been used to sign the german defeat in 1918 at compeigne

to this day a fear of hyperinflation - or any inflation, scares the living daylights out of german politicians

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RamaY » 16 Dec 2011 21:38

Charlie wrote:Image


PAKIS stole gold from Quran and dropped Quran on the floor! BLASPHEMY.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby stryker » 16 Dec 2011 21:48

Read the article quoting the frigging idiot, Hamid Gul. Another crazy Paki who lives in dreamland. Total denial of reality. Pakis need more like him who will lead them to their promised land: self-destruction.

Pakistan: Leading scorer of own goals :D

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Mihaylo » 16 Dec 2011 21:49

RamaY wrote:
Charlie wrote:Image


PAKIS stole gold from Quran and dropped Quran on the floor! BLASPHEMY.



LIES !!! Can she produce 4 witnesses to this event...else it is blasphemy against her.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Abhi_G » 16 Dec 2011 21:58

Mihaylo wrote:

The Indian soldier behind the second paki general; his left hand is black as tar, mayb all greasy from repairing a piece of war machinery. That or he literally shoved his hand up his bi%(h niazi's a%%. Their first literal GUBO session !!


The person to the right of Gen. Jacob is Gen. Sagat Singh, Parachute Regiment, another illustrious general and also one of the liberators of Goa. Portugal had a price on his head after their gubo.

more here:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... jagan.html

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RajeshG » 16 Dec 2011 22:23

Mishraji, thanks for posting the newspaper link.

I like the "open letter to russian PM" on dec 12th. The closing lines ? Awesome !! Dead paki is Pir, a live one a ghazi and if quashed he becomes a shahid - beat that you kaffirs !!

Even the graphics for Dec 7 Standard Chartered Ad are pretty cool. The brave artist makes a mockery of the words "ENEMY GUNS". wah wah.. waah waah...

I think these clippings tell us something - it tells us, no matter how many times we beat the cr@p out of pakis, but always understand that we will never be as uber-cool as the pakis.. EVER.. AoA to that

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby KJo » 16 Dec 2011 23:05

ramana wrote:Hamid Gul's whine reflects the Paki idea that they are an unattached part of India. They got a state but are not a nation really. They mentally belong to India.

All is still not lost. They can have the modern Millat status of Art 370. The alternative its to become slaves of Pakhtuns and return to Ghorid days.


The only way we take them back is if they convert to Hinduism. We don't want many million crazy PakMusalmaans running around trying to reduce India to what they have done to Pakhaanistan.


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