Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 2011

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

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Postby eklavya » 06 Jan 2012 03:23

CRamS wrote:
vikramd wrote:Rethinking the Pakistan Plan
by Amitai Etzioni
http://nationalinterest.org/article/ret ... -plan-6285



Who is this monkey? From his name, it appears he could be an expat SDRE looking for honorary white status? I mean the condescension is breathtaking in that he dismisses any notion that India can be treated as anything but an equal of TSP and the white man must etch equal equal in stone. And TSP terror against India and its nuke blackmail, the only issue that matters does not even figure in his consciousness.

That said, as much as R-man takes me to task for my pessimism, To me at least, it appears that this strain of thinking in some way, shape or form dominates the DC policy circuit.


He is an ageing professor of sociology ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amitai_Etzioni

... and clearly he knows nothing about India, J&K or Pakistan, but does have a couple of hard working research associates to furnish some of the historical background.

My impression is that this guy is Kissinger's friend; Kissinger got a lifafa from his Paki/Chini friends; and got Etzioni to write this ridiculous rubbish.

The article does not even mention the events of 2 May in Abbotabad, which is truly absurd, although I expect this guy is smart enough to not try to make excuses for the ISI's protection of OBL.

But the article is a good reminder that there remain people in the US who, notwithstanding the facts, remain apologists for Pakistan and China.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Prem » 06 Jan 2012 03:28

http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/05/ppp-core ... ities.html
PPP core committee refuse to write letter to Swiss authorities
PPP core committee refuse to write letter to Swiss authorities
The core committee’s meeting was led by President Zardari while Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani also attended the meeting


(Kore Kommandu Meet with While general Klown out of Town )

ISLAMABAD: The PPP core committee reiterated that President Asif Zardari has immunity as president under the constitution and again decided not to write a letter to Swiss authorities regarding reopening of cases against him.The core committee’s meeting was led by President Zardari while Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani also attended the meeting.The meeting, held at President House, also called upon ministers and leaders to reach out to the masses.The committee stated that it wanted to contact various alienated leaders and workers of the party to clear out their reservations. It also strongly opposed the establishment of military courts
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby jrjrao » 06 Jan 2012 07:38

It is not safe for Amb. HHaqqani to step outside of Gillani's petticoat and smell the street outside. Meanwhile, Hafez Saeed and Masood Azar are out there free and unhindered on the street, rolling around and laughing their fat terrorist ass off.

‘Hussain Haqqani might be taken into protective custody’
ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistani envoy to Washington Husain Haqqani, the man at the centre of the memo scandal, is likely to be taken under protective custody by “some meaningful establishment quarters” at the drop scene of the scandal, well-placed sources told Daily Times on Thursday.

The sources privy to the plan claimed that whenever Haqqani would come out in public, he will be taken into custody for in-depth information about the memogate, as certain quarters were very eager to get details of the conspiracy.

Keeping in view the sensitivity of the matter and concerns of certain quarters about the memogate, Haqqani initially stayed at the Presidency, considering it to be the only safe haven for him in the country.

He then moved into the Prime Minister’s House, where he has been staying since then and comes out only in official security. He made a statement on Wednesday, that he would be killed if he leaves the PM House.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 012_pg7_22

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby RCase » 06 Jan 2012 07:53

jrjrao wrote:It is not safe for Amb. HHaqqani to step outside of Gillani's petticoat and smell the street outside. Meanwhile, Hafez Saeed and Masood Azar are out there free and unhindered on the street, rolling around and laughing their fat terrorist ass off.

‘Hussain Haqqani might be taken into protective custody’
ISLAMABAD: Former Pakistani envoy to Washington Husain Haqqani, the man at the centre of the memo scandal, is likely to be taken under protective custody by “some meaningful establishment quarters” at the drop scene of the scandal, well-placed sources told Daily Times on Thursday.

The sources privy to the plan claimed that whenever Haqqani would come out in public, he will be taken into custody for in-depth information about the memogate, as certain quarters were very eager to get details of the conspiracy.

Keeping in view the sensitivity of the matter and concerns of certain quarters about the memogate, Haqqani initially stayed at the Presidency, considering it to be the only safe haven for him in the country.

He then moved into the Prime Minister’s House, where he has been staying since then and comes out only in official security. He made a statement on Wednesday, that he would be killed if he leaves the PM House.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 012_pg7_22


Simple Lahori logic ... Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azar == Phreedom Phyters; Hackany Group == Phreedom Phyters. Phreedom Phyters are Phree to roam about anywhere and show off their fat asses.

Bad Haqqani == Traitor. Traitors are elligible for bull cutlet.

Haqqani now needs to move into Kianahi's or Pasha's house for 400% safe haven.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 08:48

RCase wrote:Haqqani now needs to move into Kianahi's or Pasha's house for 400% safe haven.

:rotfl:

But, RCase, for every pure Pakistani, there is always a purer one. So, even if good (or, is it bad ?) Haqqani moves into bad (good ?) Haqqani's den, which might protect him 800%, there is no guarantee he will be protected 1000%.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Jan 2012 11:22

F-16 supply to Pakistan to continue, says US

This possibility -- of American military aid being used against US troops -- moved a decorated U.S marine to file a lawsuit, but the Obama administration appears unfazed by the prospect. As it is, there is a strong anti-American narrative in Pakistan where it concerns F16s (which Pakistanis see as a symbol of their military virility) because of the past history of Washington withholding supplies as part of nuclear-related sanctions. Evidently, Washington does not want to aggravate the mood just now.


Shiv is right, US is afraid of Pakistan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 11:24

Sanctions and gas pipeline
WHILE the government faces riots over short-term gas shortages, the long-term availability of gas from Iran remains a distant possibility.

Pakistan entered into an agreement with Iran to purchase gas on May 24, 2009. As per the deal, both sides agreed to lay pipelines up to their respective borders by 2014. In the event that one side was unable to do so, it would pay $2m per day to the other as penalty.

It is learned that Iran has nearly completed its pipeline and by December 2014 could make gas available at Pakistan`s border. Pakistan, on the other hand, has not even started work on the approximately 700km-long pipeline that is required to be constructed up to the Iranian border.

On the request of the Pakistani leadership, Iran has reluctantly agreed to extend the deadline up to the first quarter of 2015. Even this is not enough, say experts, who believe that Pakistan faces the alarming prospect of paying $2m per day if it fails to lay the 700km pipeline through Balochistan up to the Iranian border.
On one hand, the UN resolution is being interpreted as prohibiting Pakistan from having financial or commercial transactions, including the gas pipeline, with Iran. On the other, through a bilateral arrangement it has entered into a binding agreement with Iran for the purchase of gas, failing which it would have to pay a staggering amount in compensation.
Pakistan is facing an unusual situation. It faces two binding obligations, one under a bilateral agreement, the other under the UNSC resolution. Both apparently force Pakistan to act in opposite directions.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 11:37

Taseer and the battle for Pakistan
It is simplistic to ascribe the act of Mumtaz Qadri to an individual act of moral righteousness. In precise terms, Taseer became a victim of a dysfunctional state, which has allowed itself to wither away over the decades.
The so-called Islamic laws inserted by Zia ul Haq have acquired a sacrosanct status as if they were Divine decrees.
Nevertheless, his murder and silencing has to be viewed in the larger context of the state that is reaping what is has sown over the years. There are hundreds of Qadris belonging to various schools of thought who roam at large on the streets or hide within the security agencies meant to provide protection and enforce the law. The inability of federal and provincial governments to even take basic measures of institutional accountability against Qadri's peers and seniors remind us of the way our elites have almost surrendered to Zia's Pakistan.
A state that actively promotes or is incapable to check indoctrination via schools and madrassa curricula therefore undermines its writ and becomes an irrelevance. Taseer tried to reverse the trend, he garnered the support of Pakistan's moderate constituency but the power of the Mullah is overarching.
Taseer's murder has drawn lines between the two Pakistans. One that wants to survive as a tolerant and inclusive polity; and the other which legitimizes use of violence to establish a xenophobic state. The battle continues.

The battle is already lost. The slide down continues.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 11:51

CIA agents in Pakistan
These are difficult times for professional journalists in Pakistan. Eleven were killed last year in the line of duty. They were either caught in the crossfire of ethnic or extremist violence or targeted and eliminated by state and non-state groups for their political views.

Saleem Shehzad, for example, was abducted, tortured and killed last year and a commission of inquiry is still floundering in murky waters. He had exposed the infiltration of the armed forces by elements affiliated with Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. Several journalists from Balochistan have been killed by non-state vigilantes sponsored by state agencies, others have fled to Europe or USA because they had sympathies with the nationalist cause in the province. Some from Karachi have taken refuge abroad because they were threatened by ethnic or sectarian groups or parties.

Now an insidious campaign is afoot to target senior journalists who question the wisdom of the security establishment on a host of thorny issues. They are being labeled as "American-CIA agents". This is an incitement to violence against them in the highly charged anti-American environment in Pakistan today. Consider.

If you say the military's notion of "strategic depth" in Afghanistan is misplaced, outdated or counter-productive, you are a CIA agent.

If you say the military was either complicit or incompetent in the OBL-Abbottabad case, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the civilians should have control over the military as stipulated in the constitution, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the military shouldn't enter into peace deals with the Taliban that enable them to reorganize and seize Pakistani territory, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the drones have taken a welcome toll of extremist Al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the military's annual defense budget, which amounts to nearly half of all tax revenues, should be scrutinized by parliament or the Auditor General of Pakistan, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the one and same resignation criterion should be applied to both Ambassador Husain Haqqani and DG-ISI Ahmed Shuja Pasha - the former is accused of trying to influence the American government to back up the civilian government of Pakistan in its attempt to establish civilian control over its army and the latter is accused of seeking the support of Arab regimes for the overthrow of the civilian regime ( both accusations come from one and the same individual) - you are a CIA agent.

If you say we should construct a social welfare state in place of a national security state, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that fundamental citizens rights enshrined in the constitution cannot be violated at the altar of a narrow definition of national security defined exclusively by the security state, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that human rights violations in Balochistan carried out by the security agencies are as condemnable as the ethnic cleansing of Punjabi settlers by Baloch insurgents, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that Pakistan's foreign policy should not be the exclusive domain of the military establishment, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the Pakistan military's conventional and nuclear weapons doctrine amounts to a crippling arms race with India rather than a minimal optimal defensive deterrence, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the ISI is an unaccountable state within a state, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that belt-tightening measures to control budgetary deficits and inflation should apply to wasteful aspects of defense expenditures no less than to wasteful aspects of civilian government expenditures, you are a CIA agent.

If you say that the Supreme Court should pull out Air Marshal Asghar Khan's ISI-Mehrangate 1991 case from cold storage and adjudge it along with the Memogate 2011 case, you are a CIA agent.

The irony is that the Pakistan military remains the single largest recipient of American aid in the last sixty five years. The irony is that all military coups in Pakistan have drawn legal and political sustenance from America. The irony is that the Pakistani military has signed more defense pacts and agreements with America than all civilian governments to date. The irony is the Pakistan military has partnered America in Afghanistan in the 1980s, fought its war on terror and leased out Pakistani air bases and Pakistan air space corridors to America in the 2000s, and sent hundreds of officers for training and education to America in the last six decades.

The greater irony is that all those liberal, progressive, anti-imperialist Pakistani citizens who have opposed US hegemony and protested American military interventions in the Third World all their lives are today branded as CIA agents by the very state security agencies and non state religious parties and jehadi groups who have taken American money and weapons and done America's bidding all their lives.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Nandu » 06 Jan 2012 12:06

What is Mehrangate?

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Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 12:08

The rotten core
The celebration of Qadri, a deluded fanatic, was deeply depressing. So was the fact that nobody dared raise their voice against his supporters, not even the government. Instead, the judge who sentenced Qadri has fled Pakistan. Aasia Bibi, the Christian at the heart of the furore, remains in jail. And Taseer's son, Shahbaz, has been kidnapped - probably by Qadri sympathisers. An ugly spectacle, it betrays questions about something deeply unhealthy at the core of Pakistani society - Declan Walsh, Guardian weekly, 15 December 2011

Pakistani speech is extreme in private and on the TV channels. People who advise moderation are scoffed at. The Army is praised, the elected government is condemned and targeted for premature ouster, and the terrorists are not a part of the discourse because they are 'our brothers' and are supposed to fade away after the Americans leave. Everything is extreme, above all our love for China which we think is mysteriously helping us in all sorts of ways.

No theories hold. Deobandis and Wahhabis are supposed to be extremist in their views, but the Barelvis make the country boil over with a pathology that tames even Al Qaeda fanatics. In Pakistan - a castle of Islam - all sorts of people are trying to insult the Holy Prophet PBUH. In proportion to their minuscule population, Christians are getting the evil fallout of this extremism, and they are the poorest segment of Pakistani society. One is not sure if Jinnah called Pakistan the Castle of Islam, but the siege mentality of its population actually tells us where Pakistan started and ended up. An important aspect of this mentality is self-infliction through perceived conspiracy.

Institutions act in line with this collective disease. The curse of 'national consensus' is upon us. We are united against America, against the incumbent government, against India as our textbook foe, but are in love with the Army which no longer has the need to overthrow governments. We love a Supreme Court where, as per Asma Jahangir, the bench has no dissenting judges when it comes to adjudicating between the elected government and the generals-on-extension. The media, manned by angry discussants and anchors recommending 'bloody revolution', is a part of the national consensus. Terrorism as enemy of the state is obscured by the terrorism embedded in the minds of the Pakistanis.

The intellectual is on the run in Pakistan as well as in the Islamic world. He is the person who negotiates between the reductionism of rough divine edicts and society. Islamic scholars have not succeeded as intellectuals because of the use of violence by the orthodox who dominate Islam these days. Intellectual interpretations of the faith are still not popular in the Muslim world mainly because of low levels of literacy and the consequent concentration of power in the hands of the clergy. Muslim intellectuals, like Muhammad Arkun, Abdul Karim Soroush, Khaled Abu El Fadl and Abu Zayd, who believe that early Islam was an adaptive Islam that was gradually arrested by a specific culture, have been forced to live abroad. The absence of the intellectual makes the faith impervious to change and leaves the extremist free to spread his evil mission.

In February 2011, in the wake of the murder of Salmaan Taseer, Stephen Cohen, author of a number of books on Pakistan, had this to say: 'These are symptoms of a deeper problem in Pakistan. There is not going to be any good news from Pakistan for some time, if ever, because the fundamentals of the state are either failing or questionable. This applies to both the idea of Pakistan, the ideology of the state, the purpose of the state, and also to the coherence of the state itself. Pakistan has lost a lot of its stateness, that is, the qualities that make a modern government function effectively. So there's failure in Pakistan on all counts. I wouldn't predict a comprehensive failure soon but clearly that's the direction in which Pakistan is moving'.

When a country marching towards collapse develops a national consensus, it means that the nation has either diagnosed its malady and is determined to cure it; or it is determined to defy the world and to let its internal disorder grow and overwhelm not only itself but the world too through an overspill. It is no longer a tenable position that the world should leave Pakistan alone because, after all, its people are just killing each other.

Where does Pakistani extremism get its final touches of acceptable 'presentation'? Doubtlessly the media provides the space and time in which extremism gets expressed in its packaged form. The people at large imbibe it and pass it on as their own thinking when talking to their peers. The media exempts the terrorist and the clergy from its scrutiny and criticism; it also spares the Army and its intelligence agencies. Salmaan Taseer was the victim of the media. The anchor who did 'the job' on him has flourished and gone on to new peaks of success, while the victim is dead and his family is suffering because of the cause he embraced.

Adnan Rehmat writing in The News (25 December 2011) under the heading The manipulator is manipulated, stated: 'There have been at least three instances in 2011 alone that have established that the independent TV media in Pakistan have failed in their role of either informing or educating the people and on what really is happening when the people were primed to make up their minds on the issue about who really governs the country. The first was when CIA agent Raymond Davis was caught in Lahore, the second when Osama Bin Laden was found comfortably snuggled in Abbottabad and the third when Nato troops gunned down Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border.

'In each of these three instances, the media was manipulated by the military Establishment into taking anti-American sentiments sky high to increase their leverage over Washington. By using the Establishment's standard narrative of nationalism, religion and patriotism, the media got played into ignoring the basic principles of journalism that demand a professional, neutral posture based on fact rather than opinion. TV in Pakistan is full of opinion-making anchorpersons on primetime talk shows that are always blurring the line between fact and opinion and the line between opinion and analysis'.

Blasphemy Law is the epitaph under which the state's cadaver will finally be buried. The victory of the Islamist in the wake of the Arab Spring is nothing compared to what Pakistan has become under this law. It is emblematic of the deadening of the soul of the people who populate Pakistan.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 12:48

Finance minister warns of ‘shocks’ that Pakistan can’t absorb
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan may face international isolation on the economic front if drastic steps are taken during the reviewing of bilateral terms with the United States, the country’s finance minister cautioned on Thursday.
“A single incident must not determine our relations with the US,” Sheikh said in an apparent reference to the steps taken by the government following the Nato airstrikes.

“Any decision should be taken while keeping in mind the multidimensional paradigm of security, prosperity of the country and economic diplomacy,” he added.
A committee member, who asked to remain anonymous, said that, according to the finance minister, the country’s fragile economy would face a daunting task if the relationship between Pakistan and the US deteriorated further.

“It is not about American aid but its clout over the IMF, World Bank and other financial institutions that can pose a real challenge for us,” said the committee member referring to the elaborate briefing given by the finance minister.

The finance minister should be branded a kaffir, a CIA-agent and a traitor.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 12:49

Nandu wrote:What is Mehrangate?

Oh, that is the famous scandolous case of the ISI funding the Islamist political parties for the creation of IJI (Islami Jamhooriat Ittehad) to consolidate the opposition to defeat Ms. Benazir Bhutto. The fund was organized in 1990 by COAS Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg and ISI, DG, Lt. Gen. Asad Durrani with the help of the then President Ghulam Ishaq Khan. This was first revealed in the National Assembly in 1994 by Naserullah Babar, the Interior Minister in Ms. Bhutto's cabinet. Air Chief Marshal (r) Asghar Khan later filed a case in the Supreme Court (still pending) with a detailed break-up of who had received how much money etc. Every one who received money and Mirza Aslam Beg and Asad Durrani have accepted his involvement in this. It is called Mehrangate because an account in the Mehran Bank was used for disbursal of monies.

PS: It is this same Lt. Gen. (r) Asad Durrani who was introduced by Arnab Goswami in a TV debate as the 'most resonable and moderate voice of Pakistan'. Then we can understand the rest of them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 12:57


But, Imran Khan has already said that Pakistan was a resource-rich country and need not go begging to anybody. Let him come to power and as the most ideal Amir-ul-Momineen show the way and the appropriate finger to the evil kafir.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Nandu » 06 Jan 2012 13:01

Thanks, SSridhar saar.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

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Indian MP sees Pak military as key hurdle to peace
ISLAMABAD: Member of the Lok Sabha and former Indian external affairs minister Dr Shashi Tharoor blamed Pakistan’s powerful military establishment as ‘the main hurdle’ in direct peaceful relations with India.
He said that Pakistan defines itself in opposition to India, and added that cooperation is the only way forward.
For the fulfillment of India’s global ambitions, it wants stability in the region which cannot be achieved without a stable Pakistan, he added.

There we have it again! If we on our own create this unwarranted linkage, do we have any right to accuse others?

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Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 13:27

pankajs wrote:
For the fulfillment of India’s global ambitions, it wants stability in the region which cannot be achieved without a stable Pakistan, he added.

There we have it again! If we on our own create this unwarranted linkage, do we have any right to accuse others?

He is very chanakyan in making that linkage. When Mr. Man Mohan Singh's linkage to Balochistan can be explained away, why not Mr. Tharoor's ? Just wait until we hear from somebody.

The unwarranted linkage is one dimension of the problem we have internally. The other is a lack of knowledge. Didn't Mr. Tharoor come to realize that thwarting India's progress is the aim of Pakistan ? They are quite willing to cut off their nose as they think it will spite our face. If as a junior minister in the MEA he did not realize this about our worst enemy, we have a serious problem with our Ministry of External Affairs.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 13:29

SSridhar wrote:But, Imran Khan has already said that Pakistan was a resource-rich country and need not go begging to anybody. Let him come to power and as the most ideal Amir-ul-Momineen show the way and the appropriate finger to the evil kafir.

I guess he means that all the pakis have to do is fart and all the gas shortage will immediately vanish. The issue anyway was created by the media run by kaffirs, RAW/CIA agents and traitors.:rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby pankajs » 06 Jan 2012 13:43

SSridhar wrote:If as a junior minister in the MEA he did not realize this about our worst enemy, we have a serious problem with our Ministry of External Affairs.
I agree.

SSridhar wrote:Didn't Mr. Tharoor come to realize that thwarting India's progress is the aim of Pakistan ?
Exactly my feelings. The Pakistan problem does requires attention and resources but we have made tremendous progress in spite of that. So really this was/is a non issue IMHO.

Anyway, If I may say so, he needs to meditate on his own words to understand the futility of trying to co-opt the pakis.
He said that Pakistan defines itself in opposition to India

We just have to contain them till either they implode or we are ready for the final solution.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shyamd » 06 Jan 2012 14:18

I am increasingly convinced that Kayani's visit to Beijing is west asia related. There are plans afoot if a limited war takes place with Iran to take over the 3 islands seized by iran.
With the Turks on visit as well, this reminds me of March 2011 situation. Remember the deal is the moment iran attacksw the GCC, turkey and pak are required to invade per the agreement.

Whilst the paki's have tightened cooperation in Kashmir - its basically telling the chinese to watch for mischief by india while TSPA gets deployed in west asia.
I expect kayani and kore kammandu's (groper and zardari) to start saying nice things about india over the next week or so.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Suppiah » 06 Jan 2012 15:00

^^^
Wonder if a full week trip is required for that..that job of getting India to lay off would belong to Unkil because he would be controlling the events.

I do hope the mullahs of Iran would do something stupid, provoke a wider war that would lead to its decimation in the hands of the Western military. One of the biggest support factors of Jehadi terrorism and fanaticism would cease to exist at least for a few decades.

The west may be seen as defeated in Iraq, but at enormous cost it has achieved that fundamental purpose....there is no more a Saddam exporting his ideals and ideologies. Iraq is a wasteland and they are too busy killing each other as yesterdays' events show to disturb anyone else. I think they will achieve the same result with Iran, without boots on the ground and without a $1 trillion budget..if they have learned their lesson..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 06 Jan 2012 15:02

shyamd wrote:I am increasingly convinced that Kayani's visit to Beijing is west asia related.



I think its beggary related. China is hardly going to cooperate with its whore to support the plans of the whore's other customer - the USA.

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Postby Suppiah » 06 Jan 2012 15:03

^^^ unless of course, you assume that China is not a 'customer' but the husband that has willingly cuckolded himself for his own strategic interests..some husbands do so, to get promotions and so on..particularly if they know their wife is anyway a whore and will always be one, so why not make some useful benefit out of it..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_21708 » 06 Jan 2012 16:17

US sentences Pakistani over Taliban smuggling plot
Irfan Ul Haq was senten­ced to 50 months in jail by a US federa­l judge in Washin­gton on Thursd­ay.
By AFP
Published: January 6, 2012

A Pakistani man convicted on terrorism charges has been sentenced to more than four years in jail in the United States over a plot to smuggle a member of the Pakistani Taliban into the country.

WASHINGTON: A Pakistani man convicted on terrorism charges has been sentenced to more than four years in jail in the United States over a plot to smuggle a member of the Pakistani Taliban into the country.

Irfan Ul Haq, 37 – who last September pleaded guilty along with two other Pakistanis to conspiracy to provide support to a terror organization – was sentenced to 50 months in jail by a US federal judge in Washington on Thursday.

The other two men were sentenced last month to 40 months and 36 months in prison over the same plot, carried out between January and March 2011. All three men have agreed to return to Pakistan following their sentences.

“Haq conspired with others to smuggle into the United States an individual who was believed to be a member of a foreign terrorist organization,” Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer said in a statement.

“Such conduct presents a serious threat to our national security.”

The US Justice Department said undercover law enforcement agents had directed “confidential sources” to contact the three men – then residing in Ecuador – to request help in smuggling a fictitious individual, said to be a member of the Pakistani Taliban, into the United States.

Haq, according to the court documents, told the sources it was “not their concern” what the men “want to do in the United States – hard labor, sweep floor, wash dishes in a hotel, or blow up. That will be up to them.”

It said the three men accepted payment for the operation, without specifying how much, and that they produced a false Pakistani passport.

The sting operation was carried out by the US Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Ecuadorian national police, the Justice Department said.

The three men, who were arrested in Miami on March 13, had faced a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/317429/us-s ... ling-plot/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_21708 » 06 Jan 2012 16:20

ICRC shuts three offices – more could follow
PESHAWAR: The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), the private humanitarian institution which has carried out operations even during the First and Second World Wars, has found the ‘current situation and constraints’ on its Pakistani mission, particularly in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) taxing enough to thoroughly review its setup in the country.

The ICRC has already shut down three of its offices in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, simultaneously working on limiting its staff in Pakistan, said an ICRC official. “The reason behind the closure and limiting of staff in Pakistan was because of questions being raised about the operational procedure of the ICRC,” said ICRC Operational Communicational Manager Najam Saqib Iqbal.


The ICRC has been one of the major organisations working in the militancy-hit areas of Hangu, Swat and Lower Dir. The organisation has been given access to these areas and in return the organisation has helped out by initiating different social and economic uplift programmes, particularly in the conflict zones. It is feared that the closure of its offices outside K-P will be disastrous for the flood victims and internally displaced persons in the country.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/316641/thor ... ld-follow/

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Rajdeep » 06 Jan 2012 17:01

British nurse kidnapped in volatile Pakistan city of Quetta
Khalil Dale, a British nurse, was kidnapped in one of the most volatile areas of Pakistan when he was seized by gunmen after visiting a local hospital.

Mr Dale, a veteran aid worker who served as health programme manager for the International Committee of the Red Cross, was abducted in Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province in south-western Pakistan.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8995544/British-Red-Cross-doctor-standing-outside-his-office-when-kidnapped.html


OT but :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shiv » 06 Jan 2012 17:04

Suppiah wrote:^^^ unless of course, you assume that China is not a 'customer' but the husband that has willingly cuckolded himself for his own strategic interests..some husbands do so, to get promotions and so on..particularly if they know their wife is anyway a whore and will always be one, so why not make some useful benefit out of it..


Actually imagining that Kiyanis' visit to China is because Pakistan is planing to do the USs' job while China must do Pakistan's job is a stretch. The Chinese killed seven Islamic faithfools a few days ago. The US was also killing Pakistani faithfools until recently. Both the US and China want Pakistan to kill its own faithfools and Pakistan is unable to do that. Kiyani is going to China to say he has a morale and mtivation problem and that he will look th eother way if the Chines kill faithfools but China should not shame him like Amrica.

That is all..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 17:51

About that 'unwarranted linkage' in Shashi Tharoor's speech, I didn't realize that it was made at the Jinnah Institute in Pakistan. Right through the speech, he has lambasted Pakistan and this one particular statement may therefore be condoned, IMHO. He also needs to say something that sounds somewhat friendly without conceding anything. It is another matter whether Indians should go to such evil-infested places (currently headed by the Chief Spokesperson of the TSPA), but that is all a fall-out of the normalization process that really began a long time back, which has found a new momentum in the last several years.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 17:59

vikramd wrote:ICRC shuts three offices – more could follow


Another wise decision after the Finnish one. New Year seems to bring in good tidings. International Isolation of TSPA is important. India should work behind the scene for this to be effective.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Altair » 06 Jan 2012 19:14

SSridhar wrote:Another wise decision after the Finnish one. New Year seems to bring in good tidings. International Isolation of TSPA is important. India should work behind the scene for this to be effective.

SS
I received some info from a friend in Baluchistan. He has been right before on occasions but not exactly First grade information but hey what is!

There has been atleast two bombings of Gas pipelines in Baluchistan on a daily basis since start of December. Guards and patrol parties are being targeted,ambushed daily by "snipers". Communication between Guards,Patrol parties and their command posts is being jammed by portable RF jammers. The equipment,weapons are not Indian or American. It is European.


What do you make of it?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby shyamd » 06 Jan 2012 19:32

Mi6/US & Omani's are training funding and arming them.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby chilarai » 06 Jan 2012 19:46

SSridhar wrote:
RCase wrote:Haqqani now needs to move into Kianahi's or Pasha's house for 400% safe haven.

:rotfl:

But, RCase, for every pure Pakistani, there is always a purer one. So, even if good (or, is it bad ?) Haqqani moves into bad (good ?) Haqqani's den, which might protect him 800%, there is no guarantee he will be protected 1000%.



given any n pakis it is possible to find another paki purer than the n combined, where n is any positive integer
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby member_19648 » 06 Jan 2012 19:52

shyamd wrote:Mi6/US & Omani's are training funding and arming them.


No, they are not. Just because the arms are European, if that is true, doesn't mean that its a ploy by Europe/Uncle. Uncle is actively supporting the PA with new arms so wouldn't serve any purpose, will it? Europe is the old faithful of Uncle in such matters. Most Balochi leaders in exile are based out of US/Europe, some of them are rich and in influential positions. They maybe arranging for the arms from foreign shores. There is a huge underground arms market in the US/Europe. So that may explain the source.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby SSridhar » 06 Jan 2012 19:53

Altair, snipers targetting PA or blasting gas or railway lines have been on-going for years together now. Nothing new there. The RF jammers may be different this time, if I am not mistaken. The origin of these equipment is not surprising. The US used 'Russian' equipment in Afghanistan and went to extraordinary lengths to procure them from various sources and the mujahideen claimed that they were only using 'captured' equipment. SOP.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Suppiah » 06 Jan 2012 20:54

There has been many comments that the Baluch freedom struggle is not making much headway due to lack of intl support as well as TSPA brutality. BR has commented on it and MKB too was gloating over this matter in one of his hail TSPA articles.

Is there any evidence of that situation changing? Hope GOI can help them secure self-determination, which officially TSP should have no objection to, as they are big fans of that idea..

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Suppiah » 06 Jan 2012 21:09

Not sure if quoted earlier elsewhere, but here it goes..from yawn

http://www.yawn.com/2012/01/06/thinking ... kable.html

Pakistan, with its inexhaustible supply of Islamic maniacs could easily start a rumble with some crazy caper like the Mumbai hotel assault of two years ago, but this time India would answer with a heavy cudgel, perhaps even a nuclear sortie designed to neutralize Pakistan's dangerous toys at a stroke. And that would be that. Like cleaning out an annoying neighborhood crack house. It's not a very appetizing scenario, but what else can you do about failed states with nuclear bombs?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Rahul M » 06 Jan 2012 21:13

you crazy mulla ! I innocently clicked that link and it tells me "The domain name yawn.com is for sale" :lol:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby ramana » 06 Jan 2012 21:15

Altair, Find out which European make. What those Baloch guys need is a game changing rhino hunting rifle.

shyamd, If that happens India should break the chessboard and free the Pak citizens of their oppressors. Breaking the chessboard is like cutting the Gordian knot that keeps India bound.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 06 Dec 201

Postby Suppiah » 06 Jan 2012 21:25

ramana wrote:What those Baloch guys need is a game changing rhino hunting rifle.


Why? is the mar-e-momin skin so thick?


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